Well, if the lower levels of the OS are still OpenSource (darwin), what's to keep someone from running OX-X on top of darwin.
Do you think you could run OS X without Quartz 2D? That's not open source, and it would be quite easy to make it dependent on custom microcode in the GPUs, etc.
I think SGI's standing in the hollywood's post-production/FX area is enough to get Steve to write a check.
There's rather more to it than just writing a check for $120M. SGI comes with not only a lot of debt, but a lot of existing service obligations to government and other customers. Add in the cost to Apple of executives' time to deal with the merger, and it's not a good deal.
that just leaves Novell, Autodesk, Adobe and Sun to buy up and the great empire will be complete!!!
The only one of those that would make any sense for Apple to buy would be Adobe, and that would just be to make them use CoreImage. As a shareholder, I'd much rather see Apple spend four or five million developing replacements for Photoshop and InDesign.
From your own links - "EROS combines an unusual collection of facilities into a single package, hopefully in a novel way. Each of these faclities is, in our view, essential to providing scalable reliability, and all of them have appeared in prior systems."
The question at hand was whether any OS's had been written from scratch. EROS didn't re-use code from from previous operating systems. That qualifies as "written from scratch" as far as I'm concerned.
At least they are more honest (or knowledgeable) than you.
it really seems funny to me how all Intels bashers (aka. Mac fans) suddenly became Intel enthusiasts
They're not Intel enthusiasts. Every Mac developer I've talked to wishes that IBM had gotten its act together, but they're OK with the Intel switch since it's really just an implementation detail.
I don't think it will be possible to stop people from getting it running on non-apple hardware.
I think you'll be proven wrong. There are all kinds of ways to lock it to the hardware. They can't really do it yet, since those developer transition kit machines are pretty generic.
The idea of Apple buying SGI was floating around the whole time I was there, and the consensus was that there's no point to it.
Apple can get everything they want from SGI (that is, the people they have left), without assuming the debts. All they have to do is continue to hire them as they get fed up with SGI and leave. The patents that MS licensed from SGI are covered by Apple's cross-license agreeement with MS.
I didn't get there until 2002. I guess things were mostly sorted out by then. I was hired in the midst of a hiring freeze, and my boss told me that my offer had to be approved not only by Fred Anderson, but by SJ himself.
-jcr
Remember NeXT and Apple?
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This could be a win-win situation. If Disney buys Pixar, I'll be quizzing my friends there on how it's going management-wise. If it looks like a repeat of the Apple/NeXT merger, I'll buy a pile of Disney shares, and watch them double in value in three to four years.
When Apple acquired NeXT, their top three levels of management were pretty much replaced with NeXT employees. The result: a revitalized Apple, which has grown from a nadir of about $2B in market capitalization, to todays $47 billion company.
If Disney acquires Pixar, and puts John Lasseter in charge of animation, it could be a great thing for both companies. The Pixar employees (most of them are shareholders) get a nice bundle of Disney shares for their Pixar equity, and those Disney shares then take off when the effect of Pixar's influence on the Disney organization starts to become obvious to Wall Street.
Jobs really has lured them into a trap where they'll end up destroying their long-term interests for short term profit
Actually, the long-term interests of the record company are served very well by the iTMS. They get money from back-catalog material that's pretty hard to find elsewhere. The K-Tel and Time-Life Collections sales are dwarfed by the iTMS revenue.
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Well, if the lower levels of the OS are still OpenSource (darwin), what's to keep someone from running OX-X on top of darwin.
Do you think you could run OS X without Quartz 2D? That's not open source, and it would be quite easy to make it dependent on custom microcode in the GPUs, etc.
-jcr
I think SGI's standing in the hollywood's post-production/FX area is enough to get Steve to write a check.
There's rather more to it than just writing a check for $120M. SGI comes with not only a lot of debt, but a lot of existing service obligations to government and other customers. Add in the cost to Apple of executives' time to deal with the merger, and it's not a good deal.
that just leaves Novell, Autodesk, Adobe and Sun to buy up and the great empire will be complete!!!
The only one of those that would make any sense for Apple to buy would be Adobe, and that would just be to make them use CoreImage. As a shareholder, I'd much rather see Apple spend four or five million developing replacements for Photoshop and InDesign.
-jcr
And if Apple had bought BeOS it wouldn't be considered a failure.
Apple, or Be?
If Apple had gone with BeOS, Apple wouldn't exist today.
-jcr
From your own links -
"EROS combines an unusual collection of facilities into a single package, hopefully in a novel way. Each of these faclities is, in our view, essential to providing scalable reliability, and all of them have appeared in prior systems."
The question at hand was whether any OS's had been written from scratch. EROS didn't re-use code from from previous operating systems. That qualifies as "written from scratch" as far as I'm concerned.
At least they are more honest (or knowledgeable) than you.
Fuck you too, sunshine.
-jcr
EROS didn't have any KeyKOS code in it. It was indeed written from scratch.
-jcr
it really seems funny to me how all Intels bashers (aka. Mac fans) suddenly became Intel enthusiasts
They're not Intel enthusiasts. Every Mac developer I've talked to wishes that IBM had gotten its act together, but they're OK with the Intel switch since it's really just an implementation detail.
-jcr
I don't think it will be possible to stop people from getting it running on non-apple hardware.
I think you'll be proven wrong. There are all kinds of ways to lock it to the hardware. They can't really do it yet, since those developer transition kit machines are pretty generic.
-jcr
Question is will these motherboards only be available from Apple or will it be licensed out.
The question has already been answered, on many occasions. Apple will not sell OS X for other manufacturer's machines.
-jcr
Better question: when's the last time anybody wrote an OS from scratch?
Let's see.. There's EROS and Coyotos, just to name two within the last decade.
-jcr
This provides a chance for Microsoft to flex its development muscle (i.e. money) to get something done, free from the constraints of history.
They tried it once before. Remember OS/2?
MS's customers are all about inertia. This effort is doomed, whether the software's any good or not.
-jcr
to generalize their contribution to modern computing as nothing more than theft and good marketing is pure garbage.
Perhaps you can specify some of their alleged contributions?
That's OK, we'll wait.
-jcr
Apple is in the process of buying them.
Whatever for?
The idea of Apple buying SGI was floating around the whole time I was there, and the consensus was that there's no point to it.
Apple can get everything they want from SGI (that is, the people they have left), without assuming the debts. All they have to do is continue to hire them as they get fed up with SGI and leave. The patents that MS licensed from SGI are covered by Apple's cross-license agreeement with MS.
-jcr
Are we talking about another Moller here or what? "About to strike a deal?" In other words, no deal exists yet, and this is wishful thinking.
-jcr
I suppose I am the only person in the whole world who finds the ipod physical interface totally "the suck" and the software unintuitive
Maybe not the only one, but certainly a member of a very small minority.
I thought the original jog wheels were cool just because they were retro, smooth and elegant
Yep, until you got a bit of sand in the wheel. That was No Fun at All. Apple switched to a touch pad to improve reliability.
what must the worst one be like?
Heh. Kind of like this.
-jcr
Apple stated that with the 10.4 Tiger release, that the APIs are pretty much fixed now
When did they say that? I was working at Apple when Tiger shipped, and that's news to me.
-jcr
NeXT spent a ton of money hiring some of the best UI designers in the world, and the UI shows it.
Umm.. They got a world-class designer, but NeXT didn't spend a ton of money on Keith Ohlfs. He got rich on his WebTV shares.
-jcr
It will kill telecommuting.
No, it will just prompt people to telecommute 100% of the time, instead of spending 25% of their time in the high-tax jurisdiction.
-jcr
Apple had twenty levels of management? Holy crap!
I didn't get there until 2002. I guess things were mostly sorted out by then. I was hired in the midst of a hiring freeze, and my boss told me that my offer had to be approved not only by Fred Anderson, but by SJ himself.
-jcr
This could be a win-win situation. If Disney buys Pixar, I'll be quizzing my friends there on how it's going management-wise. If it looks like a repeat of the Apple/NeXT merger, I'll buy a pile of Disney shares, and watch them double in value in three to four years.
When Apple acquired NeXT, their top three levels of management were pretty much replaced with NeXT employees. The result: a revitalized Apple, which has grown from a nadir of about $2B in market capitalization, to todays $47 billion company.
If Disney acquires Pixar, and puts John Lasseter in charge of animation, it could be a great thing for both companies. The Pixar employees (most of them are shareholders) get a nice bundle of Disney shares for their Pixar equity, and those Disney shares then take off when the effect of Pixar's influence on the Disney organization starts to become obvious to Wall Street.
-jcr
In other news, whale-oil lamp makers reported another year of disappointing revenues.
-jcr
freedom of speech is not a human right, it's a constitutional right,
Since when are constitutional rights and human rights mutually exclusive?
-jcr
No, that's verbal abuse, not assault. Assault is when you take a swing at someone in person.
-jcr
Would you like a shrubbery with your herring, sir?
-jcr
My wife is a musician who self-produces her albums. She's now making more money through a handful of songs on Itunes than by selling her CDs.
Now, that is what the record companies fear. What if the big names started doing that?
-jcr
Jobs really has lured them into a trap where they'll end up destroying their long-term interests for short term profit
Actually, the long-term interests of the record company are served very well by the iTMS. They get money from back-catalog material that's pretty hard to find elsewhere. The K-Tel and Time-Life Collections sales are dwarfed by the iTMS revenue.
-jcr