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Apple Sells 1 Million Videos in Under 20 Days

olddotter writes "Apple has sold over 1 million videos through iTunes since the release of the Video iPod service. Personally I am surprised by this success, it raises many questions. Will this encourage more people to put their video content on the iTunes store? Is there a vast market for cheaper stuff at reduced prices? Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video?"

478 comments

  1. videos have sound! by TimeSpeak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well considering you don't have to acually watch the video. Why buy the song and video seperately?

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    1. Re:videos have sound! by osssmkatz · · Score: 5, Informative

      To clarify, music videos include a seperate AAC file with just the song, as well as the video. Perhaps Apple's "Watch your music" campaign motivated some people? --Sam

    2. Re:videos have sound! by Coneasfast · · Score: 1

      i dont know what quality the video is, but i'm guessing video+audio has lossy audio?

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    3. Re:videos have sound! by nick_davison · · Score: 4, Insightful

      $0.99 - Just the music.
      $1.99 - Music and video.

      For $30, given the choice between 30 great rock/metal tracks and 15 great ones with, yay, grungy guys running up and down a stage, I'd rather get twice the amount of music for my money and miss out on the bad videos. On the other hand, were Britney Spears more my thing, I'd likely want the videos, ideally without sound as, let's face it, her success was never about the music.

      Plus there's the amount of drive space taken up. Granted videos aren't available for 80% of album tracks but I've already filled clear of 30mb with my own CD collection. Apple doesn't make an iPod big enough to rip an equivalent collection if videos were available too.

      So, video's nice and all - espcially for some of the great music videos - but I'd rather save the drive space instead of having every last bland video.

    4. Re:videos have sound! by silverkniveshotmail. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the one thing we can depend on when it comes to purchasing licenses is that the prices will never make sense.
      like why is a full song on itunes that I can have on my computer, ipod, and CD player as long as i'd like (though only for a limited amount of burns) $0.99 while a 30-second clip on my cell phone (through spring) is $2.50 and deletes itself after 90-days

    5. Re:videos have sound! by Gulthek · · Score: 1, Funny

      On the other hand, were Britney Spears more my thing, I'd likely want the videos, ideally without sound as, let's face it, her success was never about the music.

      This is what happens when you recycle jokes from 1999.

    6. Re:videos have sound! by ankarbass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "while a 30-second clip on my cell phone (through spring) is $2.50 and deletes itself after 90-days"

      Because that's what the market will bear! I just can't imagine what satisfaction one gets from buying a ring tone.

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    7. Re:videos have sound! by wax66 · · Score: 1

      My personal reason... no cussing. I couldn't find a single video without censorship. Bah! If I can't hear the f-word a few times, what good is it? ;-)

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    8. Re:videos have sound! by silverkniveshotmail. · · Score: 1

      through SPRINT. sorry.

    9. Re:videos have sound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " Well considering you don't have to acually watch the video. Why buy the song and video seperately?"

      Because our lord and master, Steve Jobs, has commanded us to do so.

    10. Re:videos have sound! by branto · · Score: 5, Funny

      30 mb isn't much of a CD collection.

    11. Re:videos have sound! by affliction · · Score: 0, Troll

      30mb eh? I that must be one sweet CD.

    12. Re:videos have sound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      30 mb isn't much of a CD collection.

      It is when you compress at 8bps!!! I swear, you can barely hear the compression artifacts, and it sounds awesome through those killer speakers I got from (now, don't tell anyone my secret) those guys in that white van. Luckily for me, their boss .....

    13. Re:videos have sound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Thirty millibits, eh? I'm sure you meant thirty megabytes (30 MB), but we all make mistakes.

    14. Re:videos have sound! by wickedsteve · · Score: 1

      And if nobody wanted lossy audio where would the MP3 format be?

    15. Re:videos have sound! by RoverDaddy · · Score: 1

      Well, I bought one of those million videos because it was the only way to get a track I've been waiting almost two years for (ironically, 'Wait for You' by John Bonham). Unlike another poster here, I didn't notice getting a separate AAC file with just the Audio, but I'll check as soon as I can since I'd love to get that track on my non-iPod player.
      By the way, the video's not bad (if you like '80s power rock').

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    16. Re:videos have sound! by payndz · · Score: 1
      I've already filled clear of 30mb with my own CD collection

      So your CD collection is actually one CD, singular?

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    17. Re:videos have sound! by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 1
      like why is a full song on itunes that I can have on my computer, ipod, and CD player as long as i'd like (though only for a limited amount of burns) $0.99

      A minor point: you can burn any iTMS song as many times as you'd like; it's just playlists that you can burn only 7 times (easily gotten around by changing the playlist, or even replacing it with another playlist that contains exactly the same songs).

    18. Re:videos have sound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you are using Ogg Vorbis codec, then?

    19. Re:videos have sound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll? No. No, funny.

    20. Re:videos have sound! by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Because that's what the market will bear!
      What does that really mean? At $2.50 they sell amount X and at $0.50 they would sell amount Y. Whether X > Y, nobody really knows.
    21. Re:videos have sound! by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      s/wanted/settled for

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    22. Re:videos have sound! by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 1

      I know this is nitpicky, but you can burn the individual songs as many times as you want. It's playlists of DRM'ed songs that can only be burned a few times.

    23. Re:videos have sound! by baggss01 · · Score: 1

      45 of them are mine. maybe it did......

    24. Re:videos have sound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That more like what my pocket will bear just dvd shrink a dvd then convert to h.264 and place on ipod. In cyber space the market will always have to
      bear poor people.

      I got a 30gig ipod for 100 bucks because he bought
      the new video one

      Now i have to wait for the video lowran to come out to get the video from some lame with more money than sense.

      videora rocks.

    25. Re:videos have sound! by diabolo-nerd · · Score: 1

      I go to a used cd store to buy my CD's and they only cost $7.99 or $5.00 on sundays. That is a lot less than $.99 per track. Go figure..... By the way, they sell DVD's for the same price.

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    26. Re:videos have sound! by namekuseijin · · Score: 1

      because i just want to listen to the music and don't want to pay for some video i won't be watching?

      music is sound, nothing more nothing less...

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    27. Re:videos have sound! by nuremon · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I did have the ghostbusters theme on my T-mobile phone until it died. That was certainly worth $0.99 to me... I thought that was pretty cool.

    28. Re:videos have sound! by ankarbass · · Score: 1

      What that really means is that enough people will pay $2.50 for them, that at that price profit is maximized.

      I think that it's naive to say "nobody knows if X > Y". It's almost certainly true that, in fact, Y > X. That's not the question you want to ask. If we let P be the profit at $2.50 and R be the profit at $0.50 then we want to ask is PX > RY.

      It is possible to estimate how many you will sell at some price and use that to determine a price by maximizing profit. This can be done to a certain degree of accuracy such that while it might seem arbitrary, it's most likely not.

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  2. More? by SavoWood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they offered more than what they have, I imagine they would have made this point much faster. I would have bought stuff, but they didn't have any shows I actually wanted to see.

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    1. Re:More? by piecewise · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I must tell you, I think iTunes is a great example of how it could change TV. I NEVER watched Lost (yes, I have cable -- digital cable with all the bells and whistles since it came with my apartment). But sure enough, I went on iTunes and for $1.99 I bought the premier... I was quickly sucked in, and my black 30gb iPod now has season one and all of what's available for season two. I'm hooked!

      And frankly, I'm spending about the same as I would have for DVDs in the store. Season one of iTunes is $34.99 -- I saw it in Target for the same. And yes, per download I'm paying more for season two, but I'm also getting it instantly. Spread out over time, it's roughly the same.

      I would have never gotten so into Lost without the iPod, so ABC is definitely right to say they're excited that this is a new way to reach a broader audience.

      I'm just amazed how great that iPod video looks on a television. Granted, TVs are crap resolution, but even on my 32" Sony it looks great.

      So if the iPod created a halo effect for the Mac, this iPod video will surely change the way we watch TV. It's already changed how I do.

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    2. Re:More? by robertjw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OK, I have a question. Do you see greater value in purchasing a version that you can watch on your iPod than you do in purchasing the DVD? After reading your post, I personally thought you got screwed. If you could have the DVD for the same price, why buy the iPod version. Now, I realize we all have different priorities, and if you find value in it, that's great. Guess my question is how much of your example is due to the fact that you COULD download from iTunes and it's the new fun thing to do? Do you see this technology as something with staying power, and if so, why?

    3. Re:More? by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you see greater value in purchasing a version that you can watch on your iPod than you do in purchasing the DVD? After reading your post, I personally thought you got screwed. If you could have the DVD for the same price, why buy the iPod version. Now, I realize we all have different priorities, and if you find value in it, that's great. Guess my question is how much of your example is due to the fact that you COULD download from iTunes and it's the new fun thing to do?

      If he does, and enough people do likewise, that means that blu-ray and hd-dvd will be still-born, just like the mobility of mp3s have killed DVD-Audio and Super-Audio CD.

    4. Re:More? by ninjakoala · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't respond on behalf of the GP, but for me it's about instant gratification. If I can buy a single episode and get it straight away, that's what I'll do - if it's a currently running series and I'm too busy to wait for a dvd box set.

      I just had to wait a month from finding out about the BBC sitcom Extras to being able to watch it - and that wait was extremely annoying, because I'd already watched the clips on the microsite and it looked really good. In the end I obviously had to wait for the dvd.

      Now, had it been available on iTunes I would have bought it straight away after seeing those clips, because I wanted to see it and I wanted it *now*. I could also see myself buying stuff on fridays or saturdays, when the next parcel delivery is soooo far away (monday).

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    5. Re:More? by Onan · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It's all about convenience and immediacy of gratification.

      Most obviously, you can buy each episode through the itvs the day after it first airs--as opposed to the year after on dvd.

      But equally importantly, buying things on dvd requires me to either physically travel to a store just to do so, or to order it and wait days or weeks for it to be delivered. Neither of those allows me to realize that I have a bit of free time, and have some new television in front of me in fifteen effort-free minutes.

      And lastly, if I buy dvds, I then have to putz around with physical discs: I want to watch to show someone the Buffy episode that I know is titled "Hush". So I have to dig out the box of dvds, open up the ginormous packaging, pull out the booklet in the back, and look through it to figure out which disc that's on, then put that in, and remember to take it out and put it away later. That's a whole lot more of a pain in the ass than just typing "open video/television/buffy/*hush*".

    6. Re:More? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And frankly, I'm spending about the same as I would have for DVDs in the store. Season one of iTunes is $34.99 -- I saw it in Target for the same.

      $34.99 in iTunes gets you Season 1 of Lost at 320x200 resolution. Isn't that really expensive?

    7. Re:More? by cat6509 · · Score: 1

      or , for instance pod casting the local weather, loacl news, ESPN, public access etc.

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    8. Re:More? by shmlco · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I think it's going to snowball. Other networks will offer content (Galactica). Apple will do the Cringely video mini, video AirPort, and allow you to "rip" to your pod. Independents will produce movies and documentaries. The next Parks Wallace & Gromit short will appear on iTMS. Movies will begin to appear.

      In fact, Tivo has already announced software you can use to move Tivo2Go content to your pod.

      All of this is just the smallest toe dipped into the water...

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    9. Re:More? by zz9plural · · Score: 1

      I bought the Lost Season 1 pilot because I wanted to see how iTunes+Video worked out. Interesting. Then I actually watched Lost, got toatlly sucked in, watched 3 DVDs from Netflix in one day (just over half the first season) and then used Bit Torrent to get the rest of season 1 plus all of season 2 in under three days. Done. I have watched all the episodes now.

      Why should I buy the DVDs?

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    10. Re:More? by shmlco · · Score: 1

      My bad. TV Harmony announced the video iPod/Tivo2Go software.

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    11. Re:More? by discstickers · · Score: 1

      I think the Netflix model destroys any hope of me buying any more TV DVDs except for my absolute favorites like the Soparnos or Seinfeld.

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    12. Re:More? by mugginns · · Score: 1, Informative

      Downloading tv shows is illegal ?

    13. Re:More? by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

      The reason this works is because it was the same thing that was happening online. Not more than an hour or so after a show aired you were starting to see torrents for VCD formatted shows and later an HDTV MPEG4. The main distributors were shut down but some of us downloaded them all.

      I watched enough shows and had no interest in Lost. After the season was over I had time to catch up and watched them all (24?) in about three or four days. Now I'm hooked. I got the DVD and now am watching the shows live on HD. Now the problem is I'm missing another show. I've got dual tuner recorder but more services would be great.

      I want to see all the networks do this. I've got a certified Divx player (Philips DVP642) that has a DRM passphrase and no content to buy for it, except porn and instructional videos (about sailboating). When can I see sales of full size (ie: progressive, high resolution) shows? I'd even deal with a few ads, like one in the start and one at the end.

      Apple forced other unlikely candidates into selling music online (Walmart), what about video?

    14. Re:More? by IdleTime · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yeah, you are the type of target audience. Anyone who publicly claim to like Lost has Lost his mind! That got to be the WORST show this season and utterly booooooring. I took out a season pass on my DVR for the show, but cancelled it after a few shows. Horrible!

      Apple has once again shown that it can make tons of money on crap and I have to give them credit for that. There will be a cold day in hell before I would want to watch any form of video on an iPOD even stupid musci videos.

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    15. Re:More? by metachor · · Score: 1

      This post sounds like viral marketing or some such advertisement by an apparently "impartial but satisfied user of product N"...

    16. Re:More? by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I never watched Lost till someone gave me season 1 on DVD as a gift. On DVD where you can watch a couple shows at a time and skip commercials it's a pretty good show. The widescreen and sound also makes a difference.

      I tried watching the show as aired on TV. It's frustrating and boring. Each moment when it seems like it could be interesting either a commercial comes on or the show ends. Additionally after talking to a few friends who do watch the show religously, I think it's going to end up like the Matrix. Great first show/season and then sucker everyone along for the $$$

    17. Re:More? by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'd buy videos off of iTunes, but the quality is notably worst then DVD. I know people say similar things about iTunes AAC files in comparison to CDs, however the quality difference feels significantly more drastic with the video content. I bought a Pixar short and after viewing it I was kinda bummed. It was fuzzy and loaded with jaggies. I've downloaded better looking movie trailers of similar lengths.

      Moreover, not being able to view these shows on my TV is a big problem for me. I want to be able to watch a show on my couch, and I don't watch to have to buy a new iPod, dock, and remote to do so. I want to be able to use the DVD player that I already have.

      That being said... the only reason I might consider buying videos off iTunes is if iTunes had shows that I liked, but couldn't normally view. For example, I don't get the SciFi Channel, but I -really- like Battlestar Galactica. I'd probably watch a crappy fuzzy copy of that show (and then buy the DVD box set when that came out).

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    18. Re:More? by PudriK · · Score: 1

      Ditto on getting hooked on Lost. We'll see how it stands up over the whole season. Recognizing that the DVDs are not only much higher quality and include extras, for the same price, I'm telling myself to wait and pick it up in the store. But it's really hard not to download just one more.

      As well as immediacy, iTunes also provides a way to get into a series that is currently out but not yet on DVD. Sure, I can just TiVo this week's show off cable. But not the show two weeks ago. I'd have to wait months for the DVD set.

      And of course, there are other options, bittorrent, etc. Around the time I started making decent money, I figured I could no longer justify stealing ip. It's one thing if you're a hard-up college student. It's another to be middle-class, fully employed, with no kids. Seperate debate, I know, but suffice it to say that, since I can, I prefer to give my little donation to those people who make things I enjoy.

      Jobs is on record as not expecting much from the video download business. He may be proved wrong. Of course, you can't expect much bigger files because of bandwidth limitations.

      This is more intersting as an experiment into what may be good a business model once the pipelines get a lot bigger. Perhaps HBO will offer some of its acclaimed series online as well.

    19. Re:More? by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "OK, I have a question. Do you see greater value in purchasing a version that you can watch on your iPod than you do in purchasing the DVD? After reading your post, I personally thought you got screwed."

      Funny. I thought he got screwed because he was paying for the trite known as *Lost* as opposed to a truly classic television series about a man stuck on an island and trying to escape. That being *The Prisoner*. :)

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    20. Re:More? by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "I want to see all the networks do this. I've got a certified Divx player (Philips DVP642) that has a DRM passphrase and no content to buy for it, except porn and instructional videos (about sailboating). When can I see sales of full size (ie: progressive, high resolution) shows? I'd even deal with a few ads, like one in the start and one at the end."

      Download the posted episodes of *Doctor Who* from this year. The DVP-642 also does Xvid files, which is what the posted *Who* episodes were encoded with. Or you could buy the R2 DVD box set that will be released in Europe at the end of the month and you could also watch it on the DVP-642 thanks to its liberal use of non-Region1 discs.

      Pr0n and sailboating instructional videos? Are you sure you aren't referencing *Captain Stabbin'*? :)

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    21. Re:More? by robertjw · · Score: 1

      Well, when you come right down to it, I thought he got screwed because he paid to download a TV show that he could have watched for free.

      OTOH, I am a fan of Lost, and I personally don't think it's trite. I don't know about 'The Prisoner' being a truly classic television series, but if I wanted to watch a classic show about people stranded, it would be "Gilligan's Island". That's classic TV at it's best.

    22. Re:More? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soparnos?

    23. Re:More? by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, most of the content I watch is Xvid files (that I'm not paying a dime for) or "homemade" DVD+R movies.

      I just think it would be great to use the products in place to sell videos online. Every certified divx player has the ability to use their (evil?) DRM technology - now where is the content?

    24. Re:More? by red5 · · Score: 1

      Do you see greater value in purchasing a version that you can watch on your iPod than you do in purchasing the DVD?

      I don't own an iPOD However I can view them full-screen on my computer which is how I watch DVDs since my Laptop has a bigger screen than my tv. I understand that this makes me atypical to the point of being irrelevant to the success of iTunes Video.

      Guess my question is how much of your example is due to the fact that you COULD download from iTunes and it's the new fun thing to do? Do you see this technology as something with staying power, and if so, why?

      Yes, the novelty of downloading them from the itunes store will fade. I believe that the staying power will hold because you can get an episode the day after it airs, where it takes at least 6 month after a show has aired for it to be available on DVD. In the end you're trading convenience over quality. Which almost always wins in the end, just look at the crap the avarage american eats for lunch.

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  3. Great! by SerpentMage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now I wish that they would start selling the videos in stores OTHER THAN the US....

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    1. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I've purchased videos and i'm in canada, so its not exclusive to the US, though some countries may be out of the loop. What store do you use?

    2. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like they are in the UK store, perchance?

    3. Re:Great! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now I wish that they would start selling the videos in stores OTHER THAN the US....

      I actually think this is a good illustration of the fact that the copyright system is very broken. The theory of copyright is an author, band, producer, or artist creates a work and is granted exclusive rights to republish it. They generate money from selling copies, which encourages them to produce more works to make more money. One would then assume, if someone like Apple wanted to resell a song or TV show they would go to said band or producer, buy a license to redistribute it, and start offering it. This does not happen.

      The reality of the situation is the producers of work almost inevitably have to give up that copyright to numerous parties in numerous countries since various organizations and cartels have monopolized all the popular distribution and advertising venues in a given territory. In order to distribute a work in multiple countries Apple (or any other retailer) has to contact hundreds of organizations, negotiate hundreds of licenses and evaluate hundreds of separate business cases. This leads to most works only being distributed in one given country and a very segregated market. It also leads to most artists making very little compared to the middle men with the cartel. How could the system have gotten this fucked up? This is exactly what the drafters of the original copyright laws in the U.S. were trying to avoid, since the printing house cartels were so detrimental in Europe. I guess greed and money eventually will corrupt any legal system.

    4. Re:Great! by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 1

      various organizations and cartels have monopolized all the popular distribution and advertising venues in a given territory

      That makes it sound like a big conspiracy theory, but I don't think it's that. Yes, there are different rights (publisher, performance, etc.) with different organizations collecting them, but I'm not sure it's any more complex than selling anything in a different country.

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    5. Re:Great! by WraithRealm · · Score: 1

      I guess greed and money eventually will corrupt any legal system.

      It's not necessarily money - greed itself can come from a barter system, as well. It seems to be more human nature than anything.

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    6. Re:Great! by CRC'99 · · Score: 1

      Now I wish that they would start selling the videos in stores OTHER THAN the US....

      Urm. They do. Videos are available in the Australian iTunes store...

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    7. Re:Great! by Ravadill · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Australian iTunes "Videos" section is a joke, it is a few music film clips and some old Pixar shorts, no TV Eps at all, and a severely cut back amount of other videos.

    8. Re:Great! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      That makes it sound like a big conspiracy theory, but I don't think it's that. Yes, there are different rights (publisher, performance, etc.) with different organizations collecting them, but I'm not sure it's any more complex than selling anything in a different country.

      If I want to buy a toaster made in Canada, I order one from their website and they ship it to me. I may or may not be responsible for paying an extra tax or levvy on it because it is exported/imported. This seems pretty reasonable. The company that makes the toaster sells it.

      If I want to buy a song online, written and performed by a Canadian artist, in Canada, in general I have to buy the song from an American company that owns the rights to that song, only in the U.S. and I have to buy a different copy if I want to get it in Canada. In no circumstance do I have any dealing with the artists that made the song and whose rights the laws are supposed to be protecting... and you don't see anything strange about that? Hell it takes Apple months to offer a song in the EU and they are being sued over it since different cartels charge them different prices, but the law says they can't sell them at different prices. Most musicians in the US who want their music to be heard by more than a tiny minority have to sign away their rights to a major label at terms so unfavorable they usually end up losing money on the deal. You don't see anything wrong with a system where musicians have to take a loss on selling their creation just to get it heard, in the hopes that they can break even or make some money on concerts and merchandise? Sure there are a tiny few superstars who do not fall into this category, but that does not make for a healthy market. When the average producer of art has to pay to give away their music to their audience and be heard and middle men make a huge profit reselling that work for good money, the system is seriously broken.

    9. Re:Great! by AlphaBlade · · Score: 2

      No TV eps in the finnish store.

    10. Re:Great! by teh*fink · · Score: 4, Funny

      that's because it's not finnished yet.

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    11. Re:Great! by Hafren · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Same in the UK itunes store.

    12. Re:Great! by Glsai · · Score: 1

      I'm just mad that now this new service is out I can no longer watch music videos from other countries. I always used to check out the music videos from some British artists I like (The Streets) and now the new version comes out I get a message that it's unavailable in the US.

    13. Re:Great! by NtroP · · Score: 1
      I live in North Pole, Alaska. I STILL can't buy videos - ITMS says that I'm not in the USA. I've submitted support requests and only received computer-generated BS back. No human has ever resonded. I even called hardware support and got the helpful tech to see if he could find someone to talk to me about it, but no dice.

      It really upsets me because I'd like to buy a video iPod, but I'm not going to until they get this straightened out. I can buy everything else through ITMS, but not videos.

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    14. Re:Great! by Morgalyn · · Score: 1

      ba-dum-ching!

      If I had mod points left today, I would have modded this +1 Funny.

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    15. Re:Great! by murr · · Score: 3, Funny

      I live in North Pole, Alaska. I STILL can't buy videos

      Have you tried threatening to put Steve Jobs on your "naughty" list, Mr. Claus?

    16. Re:Great! by Belseth · · Score: 1

      The irony is I agree but what is needed aren't weaker laws but stronger ones protecting the artists not the cartels. I'm an independent film maker and trust me the middle men make virtually all the money. The sad thing is the piracy is hitting the original artists far harder than the cartels. They always make money so to be sure of their percentage they have been cutting in deeper on the original artist's percentage. The real crime is to get work distributed you nearly have to give up all rights. The distributors demand all rights in a given market for such a long period of time you are in effect selling it outright. Whatever amount they are willing to pay is largely all you'll ever see. Musicians back in the 50s and 60s weren't allowed to keep any rights to their work especially the black ones. Some of those practises carried through into the 70s, remember Creedence Clear Water Revival? Their manager wound up owning everything. The law supports these criminal practises and does need to be changed but to strengthen the artists rights not weaken them. If artists take much more of a hit there won't be any incentive to produce more work. The middle men make the bulk of the money as it is. As you pointed out there are many levels of distributors. Most independent films go through two or more levels. There's generally some one that markets it then some one that buys it from them that sells to the chains that distribute it from there. Each of those levels wants their lion's share cut. Even if you are an independent producer you can find yourself making a few percent on the sale of a DVD that you made right up to the master. All the distributor did was market and ship them. Independents rarely get much advertising. They tend to be sold under blanket deals where distributor "X" provides say 25 films for say 100 grand per film. The end buyer doesn't buy individual films so much as whatever is availible from a given distributor. Others buy film by film but for low end films this isn't efficent for them. Artisits rarely get more than a few percent on album sales. You're probably aware that piracy was in part started by the record companies to stiff artists on the pathetic amount they were already recieving. About 15 years ago there was some heat over a bunch of pirates being struck from the original color seperations. Translated the company themselves were the only ones with access so they produced the pirates. The joke is they were selling them in major retail stores. I myself around that time bought a copy of the "Prisoner" sound track. I didn't think anything of it at the time. I bought it at a Warehouse store and inspite of it being mono assumed it was legit. A friend was looking at it and noticed that it had no copyright marks and infact had no company information on is save that it was printed in Greece. I doubt anyone involved receieve a dime on that one.

    17. Re:Great! by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 1

      I don't think your analogy is correct. You may or may not be able to buy a toaster from another country and import it to yours, for a variety of reasons. Differing safety standards. Patent conflicts.

      What you're seeing with music is the same thing that's been seen with books and other intellectual property. It's going to take some time to sort out things so that you can license something worldwide. Partly it's because many of these issues postdate many of the music contracts. Yes, it's a pain. For now.

      But your main argument about music creators having to sign away their rights to the record labels has nothing to do with whether or not music is available for download across international borders. Different topic. The success of digital audio devices like the iPod is in fact opening the eyes of musicians to new options that they didn't have before. Record labels are scared of this, which is why they're fighting so hard for DRM and other measures -- so they can keep controlling the music.

    18. Re:Great! by thparker · · Score: 1
      If I want to buy a toaster made in Canada, I order one from their website and they ship it to me. I may or may not be responsible for paying an extra tax or levvy on it because it is exported/imported. This seems pretty reasonable. The company that makes the toaster sells it.

      I think you're ignoring the enormous number of hoops that the company shipping you the toaster has gone through to be able to export their product to the U.S. Don't assume that just because it's easy for you that it was easy to make it happen.

    19. Re:Great! by ElectroBot · · Score: 1

      I guess greed and money eventually will corrupt any legal system.

      More like:

      I guess greed and money corrupt any legal system.

    20. Re:Great! by Erik+K.+Veland · · Score: 1

      Well, boo-frickin' hoo! At least there IS a video section compared to other international stores.

      And severly cut back? There are 1000 music videos in the Australian store, and 2000 in the US one. Last time I checked 1000 is not "a few".

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    21. Re:Great! by Private+Taco · · Score: 0

      Personally, I think it's remarkable you can post to Slashdot from North Pole, Alaska.

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    22. Re:Great! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      But your main argument about music creators having to sign away their rights to the record labels has nothing to do with whether or not music is available for download across international borders. Different topic.

      You are dead wrong. Pretty much everyone is a Berne Coonvention signatory these days. That means they agree to honor copyrights from foreign nations under the same laws they have for domestic copyrights. Thus, small independent musicians can and do make music and sell it on the internet across pretty much all national borders. The reason they can do this, is because they have the copyright. The problem is, in order to be heard by a significant number of people (i.e. get that music on the radio, MTV, in stores, etc.) a musician has to sign a contract with one or more distribution houses. Because almost all countries collect fees on behalf of copyright owners and have a national organization for that purpose it makes it easy for a cartel to lobby and control the collection of royalties, and thus the lions share of domestic music. Given that, it is only a tiny hop to control the distribution channels. At that point they have effectively build a wall between musicians and consumers and charge exorbitant fees, often in excess of 100% of the profit from selling the music.

      If laws were passed that said The artists who create an perform a work cannot transfer that copyright and all licenses for sale and distribution of copyrighted works must return at least 10% of the cost of each sale or performance to the artist(s), then artists could at least make a fair profit on these deals. Also, since they would retain the copyright, they could sell overseas without having to go through another distributor.

      Before you make any arguments about cost increases that would result, remember the RIAA has multiple times been convicted of price fixing, setting the price of CDs at what they think people will pay, rather than at a competitive cost. They know raising the price will lose them sales, so they have would have to decide between fewer sales (much less profit) or the same sales, with their share being smaller.

    23. Re:Great! by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 1

      Pretty much everyone is a Berne Coonvention signatory these days.

      That's irrelevant. We're not talking about copyrights themselves, we're talking about licensing of copyrighted material.

      The problem is, in order to be heard by a significant number of people (i.e. get that music on the radio, MTV, in stores, etc.) a musician has to sign a contract with one or more distribution houses.

      That used to be the case, yes, but the Internet is changing that. Again, it's no different than with books. It used to be you had to sign with a big publisher to get wide distribution. You don't have to do that anymore. But you still have to do marketing, and that's where many people fall flat, whether they're musicians or authors or whatever.

      Yes, there are organizations that collect copyright fees on behalf of owners, but these arose because creators were being deprived of compensation for public use of their works. For example, performing rights organizations like ASCAP and SOCAN directly represent music creators. These organizations actually serve the musicians, not the distribution networks.

      Your proposed solution won't fix the problem. Say the musician keeps the copyright. They want to sell their material in different countries. What are they going to do? They're going to probably give different organizations the right to sell the music for them. Only to make it fair for those organizations, those rights need to be exclusive to some geography/whatever. Note that this has nothing to do with the transfer of copyright, it's simply the licensing of the rights that derive from copyright protection. Which is what an intellectual property holder wants to do. How else are they supposed to make money?

      But this is the problem that people like Apple face in offering music across borders. They have to track down and deal with different parties in different geographies. That takes time. It takes money. But it's not any kind of conspiracy. It's just business.

      Eric
    24. Re:Great! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      we're talking about licensing of copyrighted material.

      For the most part, that is not true. Most sales are the copyright holder publishing a copy, not licensing it.

      That used to be the case, yes, but the Internet is changing that.

      Internet distribution is still a blip on the radar, especially distribution of works not already popularized through standard distribution channels. It's a bit premature to say the internet will change the nature of the game.

      These organizations actually serve the musicians, not the distribution networks.

      That's not the point, the point is a single national entity that collects copyrights leads to an easily established cartel that manipulates a market.

      Say the musician keeps the copyright. They want to sell their material in different countries. What are they going to do? They're going to probably give different organizations the right to sell the music for them. Only to make it fair for those organizations, those rights need to be exclusive to some geography/whatever.

      You've missed the point. Musicians make deals with a single company, who then resells the copyright distribution worldwide. By ensuring the artists retain the copyright, and see reasonable direct profit from it, they are not only able to bargain with organizations to redistribute, but they can bargain from a position of some security, and can even distribute directly if they so choose. It's not as though the average musician sells their rights more than once. That is the problem, they need to be free to sell wherever they want.

      Only to make it fair for those organizations, those rights need to be exclusive to some geography/whatever.

      Why? Would most artists not prefer to license the right to, global organizations? Artists gain no profit from the cartels and have no reason to support them. Why would they not license to say Apple for redistribution in all iTunes stores?

      Note that this has nothing to do with the transfer of copyright, it's simply the licensing of the rights that derive from copyright protection. Which is what an intellectual property holder wants to do. How else are they supposed to make money?

      It is normal practice to sign over all copyright instead of licensing redistribution. That has a lot of drawbacks. As for how a artist is supposed to make money, by licensing, in their own interest and with a guaranteed share of the profit to counter the power help over them by an illegal cartel that controls the distribution chain. Right now most artists don't make any money selling music. No really, none. They only make money on concerts and merchandise, some of which goes to pay off their debt to the record company.

      But this is the problem that people like Apple face in offering music across borders. They have to track down and deal with different parties in different geographies. That takes time. It takes money.

      And the reason for that is because the cartels have a vested interest in maintaining local cartels and hence segregate licensing rights. Artists have no such vested interest. Most would gladly license Apple, MS, and anyone else who wants to redistribute their music for a reasonable percentage. The complexity, cost, and barriers are made solely by the music cartels and facilitated by a system that turns a blind eye to their exploitation of artists using their established stranglehold on local distribution.

    25. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you're getting a contact high from all the pollution the refinery is putting out.

  4. Because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video?"

    Shelf life - even the greatest video will probably only be played a few times at most, while you might listen to a song hundreds of times over the years.

    1. Re:Because... by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I totally disagree with all y'all video-replay-haters.

      If I had a music video for every one of the tracks I've got on my iPod right now, I'd be deliriously happy. On my computer now, I've got only about 30 music videos, but boy is it rad to be able to alt-tab over to iTunes when "On" by Aphex Twin starts playing and watch it. If that were in my pocket on the subway, all the better.

      I wouldn't *have* to take it out of my pocket and watch it. It's still one of my favorite songs.

      With music videos integrated into your audio playlists, of course they have replay value. I agree that I don't want to rewatch the last episode of "LOST" but I don't have a TV and I didn't want to watch that in the first place. I'm not sure I belong in the conversation. 'Till they have the Daily Show or the News Hour available for download, I'm not really interested.

      But music videos *do* have replay value.

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    2. Re:Because... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1
      But music videos *do* have replay value.

      Oh yeah, I just spend hours watching music videos. I mean, it removes the one last reason I have to use anything between my ears when listening to a song. I'm so glad that Madonna can show me the meaning of her latest club shit, or that Britney Spears can take that electronic noise she (allegedly) vomits out in the studio and dress it up with tight leather clothes. Now I can keep all that wonder of modern music crossover advertising in my pocket so that I can watch twerps like Nickleback remind me why I should grow a Barry Gibb beard and lipsynch pseudo-metal.

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    3. Re:Because... by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      No need to be a pernicious dickhead.

      WTF does your complaint have to do with music videos?

      Did I say that you should go watch top 40s music videos, whether you like it or not? No, no I did not. I said that if I had music videos for all the songs that I already like, I could watch them or listen to them just the same.

      What was complicated about that?

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    4. Re:Because... by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      I'm so glad that Madonna can show me the meaning of her latest club shit, or that Britney Spears can take that electronic noise she (allegedly) vomits out in the studio and dress it up with tight leather clothes. Now I can keep all that wonder of modern music crossover advertising in my pocket so that I can watch twerps like Nickleback remind me why I should grow a Barry Gibb beard and lipsynch pseudo-metal.

      Err, you don't have to listen to shitty music or watch their videos.

      In fact, I don't recommend it at all.

    5. Re:Because... by Fitzghon · · Score: 1

      "Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video?"

      Isn't it obvious? Watching videos uses your eyes, listening to music only uses your ears. Most people listen to music as background to some other activity; few can watch videos while they are playing Quake.

      Fitzghon

    6. Re:Because... by Salvo · · Score: 2

      I'm actually after TISM's ARIA Acceptance, featuring Les Murray (a famous Australian Soccer Commentator). I had it on VHS, but an Ex-Girlfriend got offended by the Swearing in Hungarian, and threw it away.

    7. Re:Because... by sg3000 · · Score: 1

      > 'Till they have the Daily Show or the News Hour available for download, I'm not really
      > interested.

      I've bought a few music videos, but the TV shows are uninteresting right now.

      The Daily Show doesn't make much sense on DVD, since there are so many episodes, and they're rather timely. However, if I could buy selected episodes of The Daily Show and the new Colbert Report for when someone interesting is on or they cover something really interesting, that would be perfect.

      Apple, are you listening? Oh, As Seen on TV, where are you?!

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  5. Hot Damn by broody · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Imagine if they had some content besides a few television shows and videos...

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    1. Re:Hot Damn by mysqlrocks · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Imagine if they had some content besides a few television shows and videos...

      That's exactly what they're trying to prove to the movie industry. Apple is demonstrating that it's possible to do the same thing it did with Music to Movies. And the movie industry will have the added benefit of being apple to skip right past the bulk of pirating (if they get they're heads out of the sand).

    2. Re:Hot Damn by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I don't see this as making a major dent in "piracy", either amongst professionals or amongst your typical college student or other person with little money (but a computer and a fat pipe) casually downloading material.

      However, what Apple is demonstrating and has demonstrated is that it is possible to reclaim millions and millions of dollars that would have been otherwise lost to casual downloading. They have been able to do this because they're savvy enough to understand that people download media for a variety of reasons and motivations, and they've honed in on convenience as a motivation (or desire) they can address. (Convenience = ease of use.)

      Regardless, if the movie industry can get it's head out of it's (I think you misspelled ASS), it stands to add many millions to its bottom line. They can still (and probably will) go after "pirates" large and small, but it's in their own best interest to give the customer what the customer wants. I hope they wake up and smell the coffee.

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    3. Re:Hot Damn by SlightlyOldGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

      My wife is a musician who self-produces her albums. She's now making more money through a handful of songs on Itunes than by selling her CDs. This great outlet is now (or should soon be) available to independant video producers. Watch out for the next Nick Park on iTMS.

    4. Re:Hot Damn by bedroll · · Score: 1
      And the movie industry will have the added benefit of being apple to skip right past the bulk of pirating (if they get they're heads out of the sand). [emphasis mine]

      Freudian slip?

    5. Re:Hot Damn by Rauser · · Score: 1

      Only if you are Pixar...

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    6. Re:Hot Damn by mysqlrocks · · Score: 1

      Freudian slip?

      Hey, I'm not wearing a slip! Oh, wait...

    7. Re:Hot Damn by bedroll · · Score: 1
      Only if you are Pixar...

      Heh. I was actually getting at the insinuation that if Apple succeeds in this venture then the movie industry may see themselves being Apple in that the only successful way to distribute the content will be via iTunes. The same way iTunes outsells all of the other "legal" music download services.

    8. Re:Hot Damn by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Judging by how RIAA is trying to extort more money out of iTunes users, I'd say the movie industry will continue to bury its head up its ass, and will likely demand that the consumer pay more. The key here is that the guys in charge of these companies are accountants, lawyers and MBAs who don't give a damn about anything except the bottom line, but are so perversely greedy that they'll happily undermine the progress made by legitimate digital offerings simply to shore things up for the next few quarters.

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    9. Re:Hot Damn by ninjakoala · · Score: 1

      I just did a search for Nick Park on the Danish iTMS and it didn't find anything. Did she decide to only distribute inside the US and if so why?

      (I'm just curious about how some of the deals work - some of my favourite labels aren't available in the Danish store either even though they are in the US store)

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    10. Re:Hot Damn by neonstz · · Score: 1

      Re-read SlightlyOldGuy's post. Nick Park is one of the guys behind Wallace and Gromit, not SlightlyOldGuy's wife.

    11. Re:Hot Damn by albanwr · · Score: 1

      Lets hope Apple looks after the underdog.....

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    12. Re:Hot Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      He started his post with "My wife..."

      And you believed him?

      You must be new here....

    13. Re:Hot Damn by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My wife is a musician who self-produces her albums. She's now making more money through a handful of songs on Itunes than by selling her CDs.

      Now, that is what the record companies fear. What if the big names started doing that?

      -jcr

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    14. Re:Hot Damn by indigoid · · Score: 1

      i think you misspelled "arse"

      unless, of course, you mean that the movie industry has its head in a donkey. now there's an idea for a web comic!

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    15. Re:Hot Damn by Dorothy+86 · · Score: 1

      Who's your wife? I'd like to check out her music!

    16. Re:Hot Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The record industry will continue to exist based on one simple principle. It's not wealth. It's fame. The labels are fame machines. So long as musicians have egos, there will always be labels.

    17. Re:Hot Damn by SlightlyOldGuy · · Score: 1

      I'm not married to Nick Park. He's the "Wallace and Gromit" guy. I was citing him up as an example of a producer of video shorts that that made the big time.

    18. Re:Hot Damn by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      American spelling is "ass," British spelling is "arse." Both are perfectly good words for the place where the movie industry's head is lodged.

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    19. Re:Hot Damn by oncebitten · · Score: 1

      Imagine if they had some content besides a few television shows and videos...

      yeah, if i could only find a way to resell porn through iTunes, i'd make a mint (because you *know* that's coming next).

    20. Re:Hot Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      My wife blah blah blah

      I think I speak for everyone when I ask, "is she hot?"

    21. Re:Hot Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My wife is a musician

      She had done anal with dozens of negroes and sucks a mean cock - guaranteed.

  6. Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because music generally has more replay value than videos?

  7. Oh the insanity! by LilGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would DEFINATELY download TV episodes and movies for $1.99 ANYDAY over music tracks for $.99

    Even when iTunes first came out I thought that was a bit pricey and that the price would eventually drop. Doesn't appear to be the case. But $1.99 for tv shows seems to be a good deal as long as they cut the commercials out, or at least most of them.

    This could usher in a whole new era for TV, and I wouldn't miss cable or satellite one bit.

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    1. Re:Oh the insanity! by op12 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This could usher in a whole new era for TV, and I wouldn't miss cable or satellite one bit.

      Which is exactly why it's only a matter of time before there's a huge backlash from these content distributors, much like the music industry is already against iTunes. Now, cable and satellite companies will be joining the fight. It's in their best interest to beat down this new method of content distribution for TV.

    2. Re:Oh the insanity! by garcia · · Score: 0, Troll

      Now, cable and satellite companies will be joining the fight. It's in their best interest to beat down this new method of content distribution for TV.

      But the content providers and distributers are the same thing in the music industry. I don't see Radio and XM fighting with iTMS. I can't see Cable and Sat networks doing it either. The content providers (the Networks) have the say on what happens. What? Comcast and DirecTV are going to say "no, we won't show your content?" Give me a break, that's suicide.

    3. Re:Oh the insanity! by Kyeetza · · Score: 1
      "I would DEFINATELY download TV episodes and movies for $1.99 ANYDAY...."

      I would DEFINATELY download TV episodes and movies that are much better resolution (better than ITMS's standard of 320x240) AND in formats other than ITMS's .H264 and MPEG-4 ANYDAY.... the catch is they would be for free ;)

    4. Re:Oh the insanity! by peragrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apparently you didn't read the earlier article about the SBC exec. You should go read it. He is pissed about VOIP and other such things because it hurts his sense of money.

      Or something to that effect.

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    5. Re:Oh the insanity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny


      This could usher in a whole new era for TV.


      Not really. (self goes and looks at the TV shows avaialble through Apple) Just as I thought. $1.99 and nothing's on.

    6. Re:Oh the insanity! by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which is exactly why it's only a matter of time before there's a huge backlash from these content distributors

      Well, they are adept in hurting their own intersts.

      Funny thing is, they've fought against PVRs, and now most of them even offer one as part of the subscription.

      The broadcast, cable and satellite networks very often finance the programming they use, I bet they could stand to make more from subscriptions + video sales than they do with just subscriptions. They resisted putting their shows on DVD, but then caved in and many of them are making a lot of money doing so, be the shows new or old. I don't see why it is sensible for them to reject a deal to get listed in iTunes. They'll make more money (net!) per episode than with DVD sales, and only have a little bit of preparation and encoding work. I hope that this untapped potential gets exploited, though I'd prefer not to use iTunes as the conduit. I've heard it said that making a show like Enterprise could cost about $0.25 (US) per episode per viewer.

    7. Re:Oh the insanity! by op12 · · Score: 1

      The Radio/XM to iTunes analogy doesn't exactly work, since if people weren't watching shows through iTunes, they'd see them through cable or satellite and see the ads associated with them. iTunes is an alternative to that that doesn't offer the content distributors revenue, only the networks (through direct dealing). I believe the networks have deals worked out that work similarly to DVD sales of TV shows. Eventually, cable and satellite become a useless (or at least less profitable) middleman.

    8. Re:Oh the insanity! by Scotch+Game · · Score: 4, Funny
      I would DEFINATELY download TV episodes and movies for $1.99 ANYDAY

      Judging by your spelling of the words 'definitely' and 'any day', I think you could stand to be watching less TV. Dude, read a book.

    9. Re:Oh the insanity! by Slashdiddly · · Score: 1

      This could usher in a whole new era for TV

      I think it's ludacris to pay more than 50 cent per episode.

    10. Re:Oh the insanity! by east+coast · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which is exactly why it's only a matter of time before there's a huge backlash from these content distributors, much like the music industry is already against iTunes.

      I wonder how much of a cut a producer would get for a download of CSI or Lost and how much they get per viewer on cable/satelite? Let's face facts, if the producers of these shows get 50 cents to the download versus 10 cents per viewer for the TV time slot it makes business sense not to care as much. Sure, they'd lose advertising dollars but if it's bringing in more subscribers it would be more profitable in the long run.

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    11. Re:Oh the insanity! by tm2b · · Score: 1
      Which is exactly why it's only a matter of time before there's a huge backlash from these content distributors, much like the music industry is already against iTunes.
      I wouldn't term it a backlash so much as a lot of griping.

      Here's the thing - once they have a substantial revenue stream through a particular outlet (like iTunes), they might whine, they might complain, and they might try to weasel around their commitments. But in the end, they won't do anything to endanger the revenue stream that they're seeing - revenue is their crack.

      As long as Apple holds the vast majority of the download market and is adept at playing the traditional content distributors against each other, they're stuck. It's Apple's way or the highway, and they can't jump ship or they'll lose all of that oh-so-delicious free money they're seeing. The only success they'd have against Apple is to stage a mass revolt - which would be illegal collusion.

      Jobs really has lured them into a trap where they'll end up destroying their long-term interests for short term profit. It's their nature, they can't help it.

      Evil monopolist? Perhaps, but I can't think of anyone (other than maybe the oil companies) I'd rather see this happen to than the record labels and (eventually) the television studios.
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    12. Re:Oh the insanity! by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      I was just thinking the other day how cool it would be to do a more a la carte method for TV. If I want the History channel then I pay for it monthly. That would give me access to that channel for the entire month. If some movie came on a channel I wasn't subscribed to then I could buy time on that channel for a slightly higher rate. Of course it will never happen, but it be nice to only pay for what I actually watch.

      It seems that the iTunes method is starting to head down that path. If Lost was the only reason someone still had cable now they could drop the $40/month bill and pay $8/month for Lost. I can imagine it's only a matter of time before the TV/cable execs realize this and start trying to stop video iTunes.

    13. Re:Oh the insanity! by LilGuy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Judging by your UID and spelling nazism I'd say you've spent too much time on /. Go watch some TV.

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    14. Re:Oh the insanity! by LilGuy · · Score: 1

      If they dropped it down to $.25 I'd end up cleaning my pants out in the lil' jon.

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    15. Re:Oh the insanity! by doublem · · Score: 4, Funny

      25 cents per episode of "Enterprise"?

      That's a bit steep, isn't it?

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    16. Re:Oh the insanity! by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

      Maybe he was trying to say "I would DEFIANTLY download" TV episodes, even if they were illegal.

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    17. Re:Oh the insanity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "DEFINATELY"

      'nuff siad

    18. Re:Oh the insanity! by jcr · · Score: 1

      Jobs really has lured them into a trap where they'll end up destroying their long-term interests for short term profit

      Actually, the long-term interests of the record company are served very well by the iTMS. They get money from back-catalog material that's pretty hard to find elsewhere. The K-Tel and Time-Life Collections sales are dwarfed by the iTMS revenue.

      -jcr

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    19. Re:Oh the insanity! by tm2b · · Score: 1

      I'd call that "medium term" interest.

      Record companies make their living off having a lock on promotional and distribution outlets, and use that lock to sign artists into highly exploitive contracts. The iTMS removes that lock (and they make deals with individual new artists), which undercuts the recording companies' long term survival strategy.

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    20. Re:Oh the insanity! by shank2001 · · Score: 1

      It isn't realy only the satellite and cable companies that may have a problem with this new kind of distribution.... think about all the pissed off advertisers who pay big bucks to have their commercial aired during certain shows! Just like they are pissed off at Tivo. It already pisses me off that I have to pay for Satellite and Cable, only to have to watch all the stupid commercials on all but the premium channels. WHY isn't cable and satellite free with all the commercials we have to watch?! I would much rather pay the people making the shows directly. iTunes will let us do just that. I for one welcome our iTunes overlords (as long as someday I can download HD content ;)).

    21. Re:Oh the insanity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said "25 cents per episode per viewer".

      Oh, right, that's 25 cents per episode.

    22. Re:Oh the insanity! by doublem · · Score: 1

      What exactly are you getting at?

      I'm saying that paying 25 cents to see an episode of the POS show Enterprise is too much. Hell, when it was on the air I could watch it for free and I considered that too expensive.

      Some things are so abysmal that you can't give them away.

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    23. Re:Oh the insanity! by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      $1.99 for tv shows seems to be a good deal as long as they cut the commercials out, or at least most of them.

      If there's one thing that being in on the nostalgia scene has taught me, it's that 10 years after the show airs, the most entertaining part of the broadcast is the commercials.

  8. Christopher Walken Effect by tbone1 · · Score: 5, Funny
    And the #1 music video for practically every day was Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice", featuring Chirstopher Walken. "I'm a hoofah at heart!"

    Something tells me that Kevin Pollak is owed a royalty somewhere.

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    1. Re:Christopher Walken Effect by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dunno why Kevin Pollak is particularly responsible for Christopher Walken's dancing celebrity. Christopher Walken has been doing excellent Christopher Walken impersonations for most of his career.

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    2. Re:Christopher Walken Effect by tbone1 · · Score: 1
      Dunno why Kevin Pollak is particularly responsible for Christopher Walken's dancing celebrity.

      Once when Pollak was on The Bob and Tom Show, he did a dead-on Christopher Walken that is 1) hysterical and 2) re-played with regularity. Pollak is hilarious and dead-on with this imitation, and having heard it, you don't forget it. Also, Bob and Tom can have a slashdot-like effect since they are a national radio show with a big audience.

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    3. Re:Christopher Walken Effect by Frogbeater · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I noticed that too. Particularly because I worked on that video.
      I was the dolly grip, which means every shot in that video in which the camera was moving (except the one where he gets on the escalator) is me moving the camera (dare I say, dancing with Mr. Walken?)

      No royalties for me.

      But the iTunes store has validated that video as one of the greatest of all time.

      Here are some behind the scenes shots if anyone is interested.
      That would be me, standing behind the camera.

    4. Re:Christopher Walken Effect by MightyMartian · · Score: 1
      Christopher Walken has been doing excellent Christopher Walken impersonations for most of his career.

      Nah, he's mediocre at best. I'll wager Rich Little could do way better.

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    5. Re:Christopher Walken Effect by RCanine · · Score: 1

      That's I'm the iTunes Music Store?

      phobos.apple.whatever, I'm there!

    6. Re:Christopher Walken Effect by karnal · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was the dolly grip, .... No royalties for me.

      So, if we pirate the video, you're not going to automatically go hungry and not be able to support your family?

      You've already been paid?

      *note - this post was directed at the movie previews that ask for people not to "steal" movies. Which are played (or were? haven't seen one in a while) in theaters before the feature presentation.

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    7. Re:Christopher Walken Effect by GlassHeart · · Score: 1
      if we pirate the video, you're not going to automatically go hungry and not be able to support your family?

      I know and sympathize with the point you're trying to make, but economics is not so simple. Sure, pirating an existing work isn't going to deprive a salaried employee of royalties they don't get anyway, but if it hurts profits enough for those who do, there might not be a next video. Or, they might not be able to afford so many employees.

      The flip side of "economics is not so simple" is, of course, the fact that stopping piracy doesn't necessarily increase revenue for the copyright owners. Slashdot readers should be already well aware of this.

    8. Re:Christopher Walken Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there might not be a next video

      If there's a dime in profits to be made, someone will work to get it.

    9. Re:Christopher Walken Effect by mwigmani · · Score: 1

      He also did the joke in The Aristocrats as Walken to hilarious effect.

    10. Re:Christopher Walken Effect by karnal · · Score: 1

      My point is that I paid for the luxury of seeing a "feature presentation"... I can have a little bit of understanding for maybe an FBI warning, but I really don't need an over-the-top performance from a grip stating that pirating a film = money loss, when (as you stated) this isn't necessarily true.

      Wow. That just got way too serious. Anyways, it was a joke, to a point. The wife and I enjoyed a showing of "Saw 2" on Friday, and I didn't see the commercial (and remarked to my wife that it was absent) so maybe they've pulled them?

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    11. Re:Christopher Walken Effect by Frogbeater · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My friends and I boo and hiss when we see those ads.

      Last time someone in the audience said "You hate set painters?" referring to the "worker that is being harmed by piracy" in the ad.

      Workers don't lose out from piracy, producers and content owners do. They are the ones that can afford the politicians to create laws on their behalf and lawyers if the laws aren't created on their behalf. If I could afford lawyers and politicians then then I would get royalties too.

      Those people in the ads are laborors and don't miss out on royalties.

    12. Re:Christopher Walken Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are the most pointless messages ever. They tell people that view a movie in theatre not to steal it (they weren't going to anyway, or they wouldn't be there) and the first thing pirates leave off are the commercials - which includes the "don't pirate" clip.

      It's like preaching to the pope.

    13. Re:Christopher Walken Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My friends and I call out 'arrr' during any piracy ads, and it usually gets a few laughs.

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  10. Front Row integration? by mccalli · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A question for anyone with a new iMac G5 who has also bought a video from the music store. Do these videos integrate with Front Row at all?

    It's my (utterly unsubstantiated) belief that Front Row will appear in iLife 06, and that then a Mac Mini playing these videos on a TV will start to make quite a lot of sense.

    Cheers,
    Ian

    1. Re:Front Row integration? by fribhey · · Score: 0

      i don't have front row but yes they do integrate with it. Jobs showed a demonstration of it in his announcement of the video store and front row.

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    2. Re:Front Row integration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The resolution for the TV shows is currently very low. It'll be crap on a real TV.

    3. Re:Front Row integration? by Ravnsgaard · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to Steve's demo: Yes, absolutely

    4. Re:Front Row integration? by Fahrvergnuugen · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes they do.

      Check this out.

      Here's the demo page on apple's site: http://www.apple.com/imac/frontrow.html

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    5. Re:Front Row integration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The resolution for televisions is very low as well.

      If I recall correctly, the resolution for iTunes videos is 320x240. NTSC is 352x240. So, the videos are only slightly below the resolution of a non-HD TV in North America.

    6. Re:Front Row integration? by 1nhuman · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've been running (somehow) Front Row on my pre iSight iMac G5 and Powerbook and it plays everything that Quicktime plays. Which in my case means DIVX, XVID, MPEG's etc. Even JPEG's and GIF's are displayed.

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    7. Re:Front Row integration? by TrentC · · Score: 1

      A question for anyone with a new iMac G5 who has also bought a video from the music store. Do these videos integrate with Front Row at all?

      Yes, they do. The "Video" segment of Front Row breaks your videos into "Music Videos", "TV Shows", "Video Podcasts", and "Movies" (which is a generic catch-all for any videos in your Movies folder in your Home directory as well as videos that you've imported into iTunes).

      (FYI, it is possible to use Front Row on machines other than the new iMac...)

    8. Re:Front Row integration? by martinX · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you've hacked FrontRow to play on your other Macs, don't d/l the 10.4.3 update that came out today. It breaks the hacked frontrow. See http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/ for details.

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    9. Re:Front Row integration? by trans_err · · Score: 1

      yeah, and I'm running it on my pbook too-- but with out a remote it is kind of useless.

    10. Re:Front Row integration? by 1nhuman · · Score: 1

      This why I use my SonyEricsson K700i and Salling Clicker as a remote. If you google you can find Front Row Salling Clicker scripts.

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    11. Re:Front Row integration? by itsdark · · Score: 1

      I haven't read the details over at xlr8yourmac, but it didn't break my hacked Front Row.

  11. I don't think it will last by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 3, Insightful

    once the gadget whores have filled their video ipods up, they will move onto something else

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    1. Re:I don't think it will last by meatflower · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh yeah...just like those MP3 player things. What a fad! Once those "gadget whores" filled em up they just tossed em aside...good thing they're not around anymore!

    2. Re:I don't think it will last by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 0, Troll

      I have an mp3 player but then again I am not a gadget whore. I have hundreds of CDs so an mp3 player was a good investment. Video ipod would be cool if you could suck video out of your tivo, but your pretty much stuck with whatever apple provides for you. And you have to pay for it.

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    3. Re:I don't think it will last by neuroklinik · · Score: 1

      Your comment is incredibly mis-informed.

      You can rip whatever video you like in a suitable format for playing on the iPod, and it's trivial to transfer video from your Tivo to your iPod.

      You certainly aren't "stuck with whatever apple provides for you."

    4. Re:I don't think it will last by ak_hepcat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apparantly, you can...

      Tivo to vPod

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  12. Could we possibly ask any more questions? by matt+me · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will it be possible for comments to continue this decaying monologue of uncertainty and doubt? Will I be surprised? Should all comments not related to the article but the amusing questioning dialogue be posted herein?

    1. Re:Could we possibly ask any more questions? by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Yea, I know it. A lot of the article-posts these days end with something like that. "Is this the end of the automobile?" "Is my dream of reaching space going to come true?" It's pretty annoying.

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    2. Re:Could we possibly ask any more questions? by utexaspunk · · Score: 2, Funny

      I love this one- "Is there a vast market for cheaper stuff at reduced prices?"

      Gee, I dunno- is there a vast market for cheaper stuff at increased prices? People buy more stuff when it costs less?! Somebody alert the news media! Somebody call the department of redundancy department!

    3. Re:Could we possibly ask any more questions? by Admiral+Frosty · · Score: 1

      "Is there a vast market for cheaper stuff at reduced prices?"

      Geez, coming back from econ class that sounds weird. More people will buy at lower prices, but less people supply, due to decreased profits.

      No,there really is now "market", only demand which can't be filled.

    4. Re:Could we possibly ask any more questions? by argent · · Score: 1

      You forgot the "nattering nabobs of negativism".

  13. Please educate me, iTunes video buyers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Why would you want to watch a music video or a TV show on a tiny screen? Is it really that enjoyable? I just don't get it.

    1. Re:Please educate me, iTunes video buyers by jmelloy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because most tv shows are 90% dialog.

      Because you can use it on a train or airplane.

      Because when you connect it to a TV it's fine.

      Because you can pull something out of your pocket and show it to your friends.

    2. Re:Please educate me, iTunes video buyers by perdelucena · · Score: 2, Funny

      Small video screen, less space than nomad, lame!

    3. Re:Please educate me, iTunes video buyers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think what most are missing here is that you don't need a video iPod for these. I keep a few shows on the laptop for long car rides with the kids. It hooks up to the TV for family viewing. I'll pay for hard to find shows or missed episodes. Heck, Apple should go one step further and hook serialized videos into iTunes postcasting subscriptions ... bulk discount anyone? I'd pay for that instead of subsidising 99% of the other crap on cable these days.

    4. Re:Please educate me, iTunes video buyers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod parent down as troll!

    5. Re:Please educate me, iTunes video buyers by TheBigBezona · · Score: 2, Informative

      While I didn't get mine for the video capability, it turns out the screen is actually much more watchable than one would expect from the specs.

      The image quality is quite high, and at arms length it's really not that much different than sitting across the room from a 20" or so screen.

      While it won't be replacing my home theater any time soon, being able to watch a show or movie on a plane trip or whatever is a nice bonus.

      Sure, there are better dedicated video players, but it's an Apples and oranges comparison. The iPod is still a music player primarily, with photo ability and video as nice bonuses. If video is what you see as a primary use for a device, look elsewhere, but for occasional viewing, it's more than adequate.

    6. Re:Please educate me, iTunes video buyers by nunchux · · Score: 1

      I don't get why this question has to be asked over and over again, almost always by people who've never even seen one in person.

      Look, it's a neat little toy. It's not supposed to replace your TV at home. A movie with intricate special effects like LOTR is a pain to watch, yes, but most TV looks fine (I watch The Daily Show on mine.) Animation looks great, too (like The Family Guy.)

      Really, the screen is much larger than a Game Boy... I don't see that many complaints hurled against Nintendo, like "How can you play games on such a tiny screen?"

  14. vintage videos by rkhalloran · · Score: 4, Informative

    somebody posted this last week about making old 50s shows available for cheap. Sounds promising to me as a way of preserving the early days of TV. Heck, I'd pay a buck for old Zachary creature features.

    1. Re:vintage videos by tgibbs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      somebody posted this [mp3newswire.net] last week about making old 50s shows available for cheap. Sounds promising to me as a way of preserving the early days of TV. Heck, I'd pay a buck for old Zachary creature features.

      I think that this is an ideal use of the medium. When you watch Lost or Desperate Housewives on iTunes or iPod, you are giving up the beautiful HD of the broadcast (or the torrent, if you prefer). But these old TV shows will lose little on the tiny screen. For some, it might even bring back fond memories of sitting across the room from a small-screen TV.

    2. Re:vintage videos by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      somebody posted this last week about making old 50s shows available for cheap.

      It will happen eventually. I don't know if you've seen them yet, but many stores are now carrying the $1.00 DVDs of many old shows. Everything from episodes of Laurel and Hardy to Rocky Jones Space Ranger (you've got to see this show, even just for the comedic effect) are now appearing on the shelves.

      However, I have a feeling that it will be a while before they show up on iTunes. Jobs doesn't want to make the same mistake as MovieLink and find himself in the position of *only* selling old shows. Once iTunes is established a way of distributing new content, only then will Jobs allow for virtual reruns.

  15. But.... by Lurk3r · · Score: 1

    Is it availiable in China?

    1. Re:But.... by josephdrivein · · Score: 1

      No, and it's not because of the Great Chinese firewall, since, guess what, there's no Apple music store in China. I wonder, would they filter it if it was available? Probably they would becouse of its "anti-socialist" culture.

  16. Doesn't Seem Like Alot by OctoberSky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is this alot of videos? I mean, is this more or less than the number of video iPods sold. If its alot less than thats no great feat, if its double, well thats not a great feat either. Even if Apple was pocketing the whole $1.99 thats only 1.99 million dollars. That's not news by Apples standards.

    Also, anyone know the number of songs sold that week?

    1. Re:Doesn't Seem Like Alot by OctoberSky · · Score: 1

      I said "that week" I meant "that 20 days"

      Sorry.

    2. Re:Doesn't Seem Like Alot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Selling a million of almost ANYTHING in twenty days is pretty damn good.

    3. Re:Doesn't Seem Like Alot by aDSF762 · · Score: 2, Informative

      $99,500 a minute ain't too shabby.

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    4. Re:Doesn't Seem Like Alot by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      To put that in perspective, iTMS and iPod accessories generated $265M in revenues (not profit) last year. To put it another way, this generated around 1% of iTMS's annual revenue over 20 days - at this rate, it will account for around 15% of total iTMS revenue over a year. Now, factor in the fact that they have almost no content, and even less content outside the USA, and you will see how big this is - it could easily be responsible for 50% or more of iTMS' revenue in a year or so if they add more content. The bandwidth costs are non-trivial for a TV show, but I would imagine that they are still able to make a significant profit.

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    5. Re:Doesn't Seem Like Alot by ndansmith · · Score: 1
      Yes but there it is not that simple.

      Whatever Apple's share of the video proceeds is (let's say 50% for the sake of argument), that is nearly pure profit. Apple only pays for hosting/bandwidth, which is negligable considering their existing infrastructure. Apple just made a cool $1M in 20 days.

      This is just the bleeding edge. Not too many people even have the video iPod yet, so interest will increase with the sales. All future iPods will be video enabled, so you can see that the number of Apple video enabled iPods out there will increase as well. Christmas will cause an explosion of iTunes video downloads. I would not be suprised if there were 1.5-2M downloads between Christmas and New Year's.

  17. Well, duh... by Pope · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video?

    Because music has far more inherent replay value than video.

    Everytime some slashdork bitches about how a CD costs $20 for 60 minutes while a DVD costs $20 for 120 minutes or more and what a ripoff a CD is, I want to slap them silly; the two things have nothing in common other than size and shape. Unless you're some obsessive weirdo, I doubt you'll watch the same movie a couple of times a week right after buying it like most people do with an album.

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    1. Re:Well, duh... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Because music has far more inherent replay value than video.

      The opportunity isn't there. Maybe if my car had a DVD player that let me listen to the audio without being distracted by the video I'd give it more replay time. Give me the audio and I can remember the video. There isn't as much socially acceptable time to have one's eyes directed to a video screen showing entertainment than there is for one's ears.

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    2. Re:Well, duh... by pla · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unless you're some obsessive weirdo, I doubt you'll watch the same movie a couple of times a week

      So, not a Monty Python fan, eh?


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    3. Re:Well, duh... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And you somehow easily forget the fact that producing a singlevideo is easily 20-30 times more expensive and labor intensive than making an entire album of music.

      you make the point that the RIAA is trying to make everyone think, but a feature length movie makes all the music ever made by metallica seem like chump change in comparison.

      you can record and master an entire album with less than 10 people INCLUDING THE BAND. you cant make a movie with less than 30 people. (Grips, techs and film/sound is more than 2/3rds that number already and there are no actors, makeup, extras, special efx,security,etc...)

      and sorry, but a DVD has at least another 50-90% in man hours of content added to it on top of the movie.

      Other than pure unadulterated obscene greed, there is no reason that a CD costs more than a DVD.

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    4. Re:Well, duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you can always turn the display off and just listen to the soundtrack.

      That's a good way to find out that a lot of the current music is crap, without a video it's not interesting enough to listen to...

    5. Re:Well, duh... by pubjames · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because music has far more inherent replay value than video.

      So? Since when does the cost of an item relate to how many times the purchaser uses it?

      Car salesman: This car is $20,000.
      Man: But I'm not planning on using it very often.
      Car salesman: Ok, in that case it's $15,000.

    6. Re:Well, duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Car salesman: This car is $20,000..."

      Man: I don't think I can justify spending $20k on a car I will not use very much, how about that car over there for $15k?...

    7. Re:Well, duh... by unknown51a · · Score: 0

      I'd pay loads for a Monty Python's Flying Circus episodes, any day.

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    8. Re:Well, duh... by PureCreditor · · Score: 1

      that's why people lease their cars sometimes

      if u plan to drive it very few miles a year (say, 10K), and you wanna upgrade every 3/4 years, then don't bother buying a car. many times, with leasing, u'll spend just a bit more than buying, and a LOT less hassle than to sell the car.

    9. Re:Well, duh... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Because music has far more inherent replay value than video.

      Your comment only makes sense if there is no free market and competition. Sure, music has more replay value, but the whole point of a free market is that it should become efficient and sell based upon quality and price. In a music business without price fixing, music is created and sold at a reasonable markup on the cost of production and various producers compete so sell not only the best music, but at a lower price than their competitors. Look at the PC market, Dell is usually among the cheapest of the retailers, and their machines are sold at only a slight markup on the cost of production to try to out-cheap everyone else.

      What the price differential discussed here (DVD vs. CD) shows is that either music production is unbelievably expensive, more-so than creating significantly more full motion video with sound, special effects, and music in the background or the prices are being maintained at an artificial level. Given that the RIAA has been convicted of price fixing several times now, I'm guessing it is the latter.

    10. Re:Well, duh... by sagenumen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not the point. We're talking about *value*, not cost. If Josh Schmoe figures that he'll be using the car a lot and the comfortable, more expensive luxury sedan would be nice to have, then he buys it. No one said that the cost relates to the amount of use; they said that the VALUE relates to the amount of use.

    11. Re:Well, duh... by GigG · · Score: 1
      So? Since when does the cost of an item relate to how many times the purchaser uses it? Car salesman: This car is $20,000. Man: But I'm not planning on using it very often. Car salesman: Ok, in that case it's $15,000.

      But if you are going to use a car only once, say for a weekend we call it renting and only costs +/- $100.00.

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    12. Re:Well, duh... by RCanine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's because you've gotten it backwards.

      Man: I don't know about this whole car thing, I'm not going to use it very often.
      Car salesman: This car is $15,000.
      Man: Now that paved roads are everywhere and my job is five miles away, I need a car and I'll use it every day.
      Car salesman: Ok, well now cars cost $20,000.

      The price of goods increases as their value to customers increases...it's supply and demand.

    13. Re:Well, duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I see the misunderstanding here. Things aren't priced based on how much they cost to make, they're priced based on how much people are willing to spend on them. If I'm going to listen to a good CD 100 times more than I would watch a movie the CD is worth more to me regardless of how much they cost to make.

    14. Re:Well, duh... by Shaklee39 · · Score: 1

      Monty Python is about as funny as Penny Arcade. In other words, it isn't funny.

    15. Re:Well, duh... by ninjakoala · · Score: 1

      What? You mean you don't have retinal HUD yet? And you call yourself a geek? ^_^

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    16. Re:Well, duh... by at_slashdot · · Score: 1

      Can the car salesmen replicate the car without any cost and sell it again?

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    17. Re:Well, duh... by Refrag · · Score: 1

      The cost doesn't necessarily relate to how many times the purchaser uses an item, but for non-consumables the values definitely does relate.

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    18. Re:Well, duh... by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      it relates because people are willing to pay 20 bucks for a cd because they know they'll get more replayability from it than a DVD. A person who won't use their car very often might be very willing to buy a $15,000 car instead of buying a $20,000 one.

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    19. Re:Well, duh... by NereusRen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since when does the price consumers are willing to pay for an item relate to its cost?

      Car Salesman: This car is $20,000.
      Man: But I'm not planning on using it very often. It's only worth $15,000 to me.
      Car Salesman: But it cost a lot to make.
      Man: ...

      Also bear in mind that DVDs and CDs are essentially mini-monopolies: If you want to own a copy of Firefly, the only legal way to buy it is from one particular source, which can control the pricing. If you've taken Microeconomics, you know that monopolist pricing is based more on consumer demand than cost of production.

      So now back to your question, which I will rephrase as: "Since when does the [price] of an item relate to how [useful the purchaser think it is]?" The answer is: Since monopoly forces came into effect. The only way to avoid this in the sale of media of DVDs and CDs is to repeal copyright protection, at which point the price would be somewhere slightly above the cost of media and reproduction.

    20. Re:Well, duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think your missing the point here. Both pieces of property exist essentially on some medium and are transported the same way. Stamping CDs costs pennies.

      To get to that medium....Star wars cost 200 million bucks and potentially thousands of people provide some level of services + marketing costs.

      While xyz pop music has marketing costs too and granted revenues vary for CD sales--- how much does it cost to rent some studio time and get the doo wop band in again?

      I hate when people bitch about it though. DON'T BUY IT I would suggest.

      Unfortunately many people are as addicted as crackheads to the five minute injection of happiness the music product brings them-- or just don't want to disappoint their kids (the big consumers here) for politics.

      The music industry knows this all too well--- and uses it against them.

      No surprise the music industry is still an oligopoly controlled by whining (but powerful) middlemen collectively called the RIAA. All is not lost though. The Internet (a far bigger entity) will nickle and dime them until it is finally just another competitive industry. (The way it should be)

    21. Re:Well, duh... by slavemowgli · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course you can make a movie with less than 30 people. Seen Klayworld, for example? More than 90 minutes, done by one person. Or how about Kaze, Ghost Warrior? OK, that's only 22 minutes, but it was also done by one single person, and the fact that it's entirely done in CG and has a quality that rivals Pixar's movies is highly impressive, I think.

      You probably need more than one person if you want to make a life-action movie, but even then, I'm pretty sure that 30 aren't strictly needed - you'd also be able to do a movie with 29, or even 20, or 10, if you just tried.

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    22. Re:Well, duh... by phritz · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Other than pure unadulterated obscene greed, there is no reason that a CD costs more than a DVD.

      Well, that's not really true - the two primary determinants of the cost here, are what the market will bear and the scarcity of what they're selling. The market will indeed bear exorbitantly high prices, because they're selling extremely unique products. The cost it takes them to produce it doesn't have anything to do with it.

      It's greedy, sure, but isn't that the entire point of capitalism?

    23. Re:Well, duh... by jcr · · Score: 1

      Would you like a shrubbery with your herring, sir?

      -jcr

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    24. Re:Well, duh... by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Everytime some slashdork bitches about how a CD costs $20 for 60 minutes while a DVD costs $20 for 120 minutes or more and what a ripoff a CD is, I want to slap them silly; the two things have nothing in common other than size and shape.

      They have tons in common. They are both entertainment/art forms. The difference is one has video and potentially better quality and/or alternate audio tracks. Potentially different video tracks as well.

      I'm not going to look up the products and easily karmawhore myself. But look up the most recent releases by Led Zeppelin on CD and DVD. Almost 2x the music on the DVD, I believe 3 audio encodings (DTS, DD, and PCM stereo maybe 24bit, check for yourself).

      Again, check for yourself, but I believe that the DVD is less than the CD.

      The amount of time and effort that went into the production between the two cannot be anywhere near the same.

      Where does all of this money go?

      I purposely pick the Zeppelin disks for a reason. They are both by the same band. They are both old material. They both came out about the same time, maybe exactly the same time. The video was not released in theaters, so there is no additional revenue unlike a typical motion picture.

      I'm sorry, but there is not that much work that goes into recording and distributing an album. I'm not trying to undermine the audio engineers and artists. Its the labels that I'm pointing the finger at. I record music in my home, go to many concerts, I've been to two recording studios, and have been friends with musicians over the years. No, I can't create recordings as good as a professional studio can yet. But I will say that I can come pretty damn close, and I only have about $6,000 in equipment including my multipurpose computer.

      I really, really, really believe that music is too expensive. I have not bought a CD in years because I don't believe they are worth it. Don't get me wrong, I do have about 500 or 600 gigs of music on my computer, but 99% of it is freely available live recordings of concerts.

    25. Re:Well, duh... by Baikala · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, yes, some people simply don't get multilayered humor. But don't worry, you'll always have Adam Sandler.

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    26. Re:Well, duh... by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Ouch.. cold. ;-)

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    27. Re:Well, duh... by letdinosaursdie · · Score: 1

      These analogies are made because people are trying to fit a square artistic peg into a round commodity hole. Bad analogies are the result.

    28. Re:Well, duh... by shark72 · · Score: 1

      "Other than pure unadulterated obscene greed, there is no reason that a CD costs more than a DVD."

      DVD sales are an incremental revenue stream -- ideally, the film's production costs are covered through theatrical release. The production costs for a CD's worth of music must be covered by the sale of the CD. If the film industry didn't have the primary revenue stream of theatrical release, then you're correct, DVDs would have to cost a lot more. But, this isn't how it works.

      However, that's beside the point. CDs and DVDs are, like virtually everything else for sale in the world, sold at what the market will bear. And if the net margin on CDs (typically less than 20%, and if this confuses you, find somebody to explain the difference between gross and net margin) bothers you, trust me: if you were to learn what the average net margin is on computer peripherals, software, packaged food or clothing, it would make you want to curl up into a fetal position and never leave the house.

      If your dislike of the free market economy is heartfelt and genuine, one way to fight back is to start with your own finances. Try this:

      1. Figure out the bare minimum that you and your family need to get by for the year. Don't allow for vacations, purchasing fancy vehicles, designer clothing, meals in fancy restaurants, or anything else which might reflect greed, vanity or wastefulness.
      2. Add 5% as a safety cushion.
      3. Tell your boss tomorrow that you'd like your salary to be reduced accordingly.
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    29. Re:Well, duh... by Snaller · · Score: 1

      That's because you buy crap.

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    30. Re:Well, duh... by Colin+Cordner · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's greedy, sure, but isn't that the entire point of capitalism?

      Just my understanding mind you, but I think that the point of capitalism is to offer the greatest and most efficient distribution & exchange of resources to individuals at the lowest possible cost. If that were to be taken as a given, we might observe that the music industry is very, very broken, and anti-capitalist.

      It does seem to be stuck on distributing its resource in a comparatively inefficient manner (shipping CDs), through limited channels (contracted retail stores), at a higher cost of production, and a higher price for the buyer...

    31. Re:Well, duh... by Shaklee39 · · Score: 1

      Multilayered? Penny arcade puts a new comic out every few days and I have yet to see a funny one. Since they have to think of something new all the time, the comics usually consist of random swear words and no punchline (much like the one up right now). I'm sorry that you have such a childish sense of humor but once you grow up you may see what is really funny.

    32. Re:Well, duh... by euxneks · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry that you have such a childish sense of humor but once you grow up you may see what is really funny.

      Like trolls on slashdot arguing about something that is _always_ different and unique to each person? Such as, oh, I don't know... COMEDY??

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    33. Re:Well, duh... by 10Ghz · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Monty Python is about as funny as Penny Arcade. In other words, it isn't funny.


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    34. Re:Well, duh... by BlueHands · · Score: 1

      I think it shows a rare kind of wit and wisdom to regularly read penny arcade given how pointless it must be. Without your tireless effort, some of us might end up spending hours enjoy ourselves in ways that are ++ungood.

      thank you.

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    35. Re:Well, duh... by BlueHands · · Score: 1

      1) it is only a free market economy if you ignore all the protections that the copyright cartels get.

      2) One can like a free market and not want a free-for-all market. Most would agree some constraints are good. Also know as "Monopolies are bad. Mmmmm,kay?"

      3) Your 3 item list would pack a bit more punch if it wasn't repeated so often. It seems to come up anytime someone dares to question of a free-for-all economy.

      on a side note, I totally agree with your 3 items and i am going to follow your suggestion. Though i do have one small change: I am a VERY scared person and like to be REALLY safe so I am going to have to change the 5% to a 500% - For The Children mind you, not for myself.

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    36. Re:Well, duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever hear of a "concert"? getting 1000-10000 fools to pay 25-80 dollars to see the no talent turds sweat all over the stage.

      Yeah, they dont make any money on that. It's a loss leader, they have to charge the low $80.00 a ticket out of the goodness of their hearts.

      Aww, why dont we all love the RIAA! they simply care about us!

      BTW, many of us DO fight back with our own finances. It's called buying only USED CD's. This one act hurts the RIAA more than any other act.

      to the point that they are constantly trying to outlaw second hand CD shops.

      I think what lumpy was trying to point out is that the RIAA lies constantly, they lied that they were going to lower CD prices after they got into full production (when they still made casettes 3 years ago cassetes were more expensiveto make but cost nearly 1/2 that of a CD) and only a complete and utter fool would pay money for any CD outside the bargian bin or used market.

    37. Re:Well, duh... by Weedlekin · · Score: 1

      It isn't only theatre releases and DVD sales, but also video / DVD hire, TV / cable / satellite broadcasting rights, and product tie-ins. Yes, artists also benefit from product tie-ins, but there is a vast difference in scale between (for example) the amount of money that a major movie release makes from licensing tie-ins versus that of even the most successful music artist.

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    38. Re:Well, duh... by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
      Since when does the price consumers are willing to pay for an item relate to its cost?

      Car Salesman: This car is $20,000.
      Man: But I'm not planning on using it very often. It's only worth $15,000 to me.
      Car Salesman: But it cost a lot to make.
      Man: ...

      Let me continue...

      Man: ... I'll give you $10 for it.
      Car Salesman: Stop wasting my time, and get off my lot.

      The price a single consumer is willing to pay for something may be below the price that the dealer is willing to sell it for. Instead, you have to look at the entire market - if the majority are willing to pay $20k for the car, then the car is worth $20k on the market, regardless of its manufacture cost.
      However, mob intelligence comes into play and it's very rare that products are priced with really huge profit margins, since the crowd will figure out what the real cost is. People are willing to pay %20 margins, but not %200. (disclaimer: this doesn't apply to monopolies or vital resources - i.e. gas prices)

    39. Re:Well, duh... by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      Since when does the price consumers are willing to pay for an item relate to its cost?

      Since always. If you graph a demand curve and supply curve at a price vs number of units, you will find some point where the two lines intersect. If the public is willing to bear a higher cost than that, the supplier can make a shortage and raise the price (by effectively shifting the supply curve over to the left. Unfortunately, I am not adept at ASCII art renderings, so basically if the x-axis is # of units (manufactured/desired), and y-axis is price per unit, obviously as the price per unit goes up, the desired # of units by the consumer goes down. Thus, it's basically a decreasing function. Also, as the price goes up, the manufacturers want to sell more, so they want to make more. Thus, this graph is an increasing graph (higher value = more manufactured).

      At some point, these two graphs must intersect (since one is monotonically decreasing and the other is monotonically increasing). This intersection point is based partly on what the public is willing to bear as cost. This intersection point is the ideal price for a unit.

      If consumers aren't willing to pay a certain price, then obviously the graph would not pass through the ideal price point. If the price was still same, there would be a surplus of units to sell, which is stupid from a typical vendor's perspective.

      So, I've briefly sketched how what the customers are willing to pay affects the cost. The reason CDs are so expensive is because there are enough people willing to pay the exhorbitant amount for the media. Just maybe not you.

    40. Re:Well, duh... by dmdimon · · Score: 1

      > ...I think that the point of capitalism is to offer the greatest and most efficient distribution & exchange of resources to individuals at the lowest possible cost...

      What is the base for this thought?

      Take a look at bees and ants - there's "greatest and most efficient distribution & exchange of resources to individuals at the lowest possible cost".
      Another example of "most efficient distribution & exchange of resources to individuals at the lowest possible cost" - sleeping people in "The Matrix" movie.
      By the way, lowest possible cost - WHO exactly pay it? I mean lowest possible cost OF WHAT and FOR WHO?

      Not to pun you. Just think on that a bit deeper.

  18. Surprised? by Da3vid · · Score: 1

    The iPod has become trendy, even fashionable. The company and the individual product have a large following. Were you surprised that the X-Box was successful? Granted, the surprise is caused by short term success. I guess the term I would give is impressive. I live near a college campus and I've heard a good bit of buzz from the students about the video iPod. I think Apple will fair much better with portable video than Sony did with its PSP. (Come on, 40 dollars for some of the UMD movies?!?)

    Its a strong company with a strong following. When a decent device is offered in an area that hasn't yet had a good device to take the spotlight, I think this kind of response, though large, is reasonable.

    -Da3vid-

    1. Re:Surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah typical Sony stab from /. Can Video iPod play games? as for $40 dollar UMD, Where do you live? here in Canada they are half that price. That also doesn't change the fact there is still a market for UMD movies, it's not for everyone but if you travel or have kids it's not a bad deal. If UMD movies fail it has no bearing on the handheld what so ever, it's not like any other handheld doesn't use it's own proprietary media (Where else will you get 1.8gb of data for cheap besides a $200 2gig flash), but it does serve as a good Bitch outlet for antis.. And to be fair the PSP has video capabilities, it's not the main selling feature. But it might be more of an option with Sony bundling 1 gig flash this christmas season.

  19. You're surprised? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Insightful
    How can you be surprised by the success of the video iPod when there are enough people out there willing to pay money to change how their telephone sounds when it rings that it has become a $300 million-a-year business?

    In the world of wasting yer money on stupid, ephemeral stuff for digital gizmos, video on iPod doesn't even make it to the semifinals; at least you get to watch a 40-minute, commercial-free TV show for your cash.

    Be surprised that we're so happy to part with our money for valueless things, perhaps--but don't be surprised that the iPod video is successful at this game...

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    1. Re:You're surprised? by fiddlesticks · · Score: 4, Informative

      >it has become a $300 million-a-year business

      Go higher, and try between $1 and $3.3 Billion - worldwide.

    2. Re:You're surprised? by east+coast · · Score: 1

      How can you be surprised by the success of the video iPod when there are enough people out there willing to pay money to change how their telephone sounds when it rings

      In all seriousness, changing the ringtones of my phone has added value and usefulness. I no longer reach for my phone when someone calls with CID blocked (Temple of Syrinx, Rush). I know if certain people are calling me, I use The Devil Went Down to Georgia for a redneck telecomm admin in my place of business and I used the theme to Sanford and Son for one of my loyal minions, I knew that these calls were priority. I also use Tubular Bells for just about every other call; it's a distinct ring that let's me know "Hey idiot, you're getting a call" instead of being like everyone else reaching for their phones when the default ring sounds and it's a lot less obtrusive than any of the default ringtones.

      So I spent 5 or 6 USD on ring tones, it's saved me time and the trouble of having to deal with undesirables at moments when, frankly, I have better things to do.

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    3. Re:You're surprised? by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How can you be surprised by the success of the video iPod when there are enough people out there willing to pay money to change how their telephone sounds when it rings that it has become a $300 million-a-year business?

      In the world of wasting yer money on stupid, ephemeral stuff for digital gizmos...


      In 2000, Americans spent $60 billion on carbonated soft drinks. linky. That is flavored sugar water with the addition of carbon dioxide that costs something like pennies a gallon to make. They have no nutritional value, are not very effective in quenching thirst, and are bad for your teeth and stomach.

      People should spend more money on rigntones in my opinion.

    4. Re:You're surprised? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      If people exchange money for said things, they are not valueless. QED.

      They may not be of value to YOU, and YOU are allowed to not buy them.

      I think lottery tickets are valueless. Doesn't prevent lotsa people from buyin' them...

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    5. Re:You're surprised? by Listen+Up · · Score: 1

      Value is subjective and therefore your argument is false. What I find value in others may not. It does not mean that it is valueless simply because you personally do not find value in it. I am sure that there are plenty of things in your life I would also find valueless.

      And by the tone of your comment, you should keep your pompous and arrogant comments to yourself.

  20. Music by rampant+mac · · Score: 0, Redundant
    "Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video?"

    Just my opinion, but music has a MUCH higher replay value than videos or movies. I *love* the movie Se7en, but I only watch it once every 2 or 3 months. I listen to a bunch of the music I bought from the iTMS every day on my way to and from work.

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  21. pay more for music by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Informative
    Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video?

    I guess pretty much for the same reason that you are willing to pay more for a movie sound track CD than for the DVD of the movie itself. The RIAA has kept the prices artifically high and you go along with it.

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    1. Re:pay more for music by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The RIAA has kept the prices artifically high and you go along with it.

      What does "artificially high" mean?

      If we are "going along with it," that means this is a price the market will bear, and thus the prices are not too high. Incidentally, music CD's used to cost more. When they were new things, they were regularly in the $20's. Then it was high teens. Now it is low to high teens, and sometimes below that.

      Also consider inflation, and you will see the actual price of a CD has indeed come down quite a bit over the years.

      You probably also think gas prices in towns affected by hurricanes should be kept as low as they were before hurricanes, thereby creating gas shortages, rather than letting supply and demand to its thang, increasing the cost of a good that is in short supply to naturally curb hoarding.

      The market is what it is. If you think CDs are "too expensive," don't buy them. If enough people agree, they'll come down in price or be replaced by similar technology that is less expensive.

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    2. Re:pay more for music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to buy soundtracks or those "best of" CD because there are more hits per CD.
      Soundtracks has the complete uninterrupted song/music whereas in the movie may be only 30 seconds of was played or it was as backdrop.

      These days, I don't buy either nor I bother to download them.

    3. Re:pay more for music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The RIAA has kept the prices artifically high and you go along with it."

      *SIGH* No... If people go along with it, it's not artificial!

      Think, robot, think!

    4. Re:pay more for music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they'll come down in price or be replaced by similar technology that is less expensive.

      By who? Competitors? In a government granted monopoly? I guess allofmp3.com seems to be doing a pretty good job in that respect, no?

      that is in short supply to naturally curb hoarding.

      How does something so flagrantly wrong in practice get recited so often? Maybe in a perfect utopia where everyone lived and breathed Mises and market entry costs were $0 people would act rationally. You should try panic once in a while, get some experience as to how the real world works. The threat of increases in the price of any necessity (hell, anything) leads to panic buying. Look at gas sales before, during, and after a hurricane, look at house sales whenever interest rates look like they might go up. Making statements like this without understanding mob mentality or panic situations makes you look ignorant. Especially in reference to hurricanes and destruction.

      You probably also think gas prices in towns affected by hurricanes should be kept as low as they were before hurricanes

      We're dealing with folly like the GAS act, designed to make it "easier" to open new refineries even as the oil companies are shutting down existing refineries... they've discovered that by keeping supply on edge, they get to charge more and make more money. Do you think they'll spend money to build new refineries so they can make less money? Gasoline is mostly inelastic, they'll sell the same amount either way. Or put it this way, is artificially limiting supply in order to raise prices "price gouging"? What is the difference if you mothball half of your refineries and announce that because supply is low you'll double your price, versus putting your stock of generators in storage then announcing you're selling the last 5 generators in the city for twice the normal price (and does it change if you replenish the stock of generators as each are sold)?

    5. Re:pay more for music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      > What does "artificially high" mean?

      That they were caught price-fixing. Not to mention other nastiness like payola.

      Care to revise that economics lecture now? :)

    6. Re:pay more for music by Technician · · Score: 1

      Also consider inflation, and you will see the actual price of a CD has indeed come down quite a bit over the years.

      That's a no brainer. The quality has come down quite a bit. There were DDD Red Book Compact Disks. Now you get compressed stuff to just sound loud.

      Natural sound, quality, and compatibility are gone. It's no wonder the price has fallen. I don't buy them any more. They may harm my system and be incompatible in addition to sounding bad.

      Show me a recent red book Compact Disk recorded Digital Direct to Disk...

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    7. Re:pay more for music by Alioth · · Score: 1

      Personally - I don't buy CDs any more because they are too expensive. When I did buy them, I bought very few because they were too expensive. But in the last six months, I have bought more albums than I have in the previous 7 or 8 years.

      Places like iTunes and Magnatune sell music for a price I think is more value for money. I'm not particularly interested in the shiny plastic disk (to me it's an inconvenience), I'd rather have cheaper music that goes straight on my hard disk. I've bought more music of the likes of Magnatune than iTMS, because it's better value.

      If the record companies get their way and the cost of music on iTMS goes up, I stop buying there. It's only JUST at the price point where I think it's worth it as it is.

    8. Re:pay more for music by bitrot42 · · Score: 1

      >When they were new things, they were regularly in the $20's. Then it
      >was high teens. Now it is low to high teens, and sometimes below that.

      What were you buying?

      I started buying CDs in 1984, and I'd have to say that over $20 was pretty rare, unless you were looking at imports. The most I ever paid was $25 for a German import (The Last Unicorn soundtrack, go ahead and laught it up), and I considered that VERY high.

      >Also consider inflation, and you will see the actual price of a
      >CD has indeed come down quite a bit over the years.

      Also consider that the cost of production has plummeted during that time, yet the prices have remained the same. It made sense that CDs cost twice what cassettes did in the beginning, but once production became nearly free, it was just blatant price gouging.

      Even back then, the production cost wasn't that high. Sometime in the 80s I saw a cheesy "Oktoberfest" CD of oompah-band tunes for $3.99. If they could do it then, they could surely do it now...

      I still prefer CDs over downloads, in all their 'wasteful' uncompressed goodness. (my 20-year-old CDs still play just great, but will your iTunes downloads still be usable in that time, when software becomes incompatible, or you get locked out by DRM when your hard drive tanks and Apple doesn't feel like helping you out?) I generally only buy used, and only when it's not pseudo-DRM encrusted.

      So it goes...

      -bitrot.

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    9. Re:pay more for music by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      What does "artificially high" mean?

      It means all the record companies got together and decided on one price for all music, rather than competing against one another for the lowest price. They picked a number they thought would make the most profit, rather than letting the market decide the price. They then used their domination of the market to force out competitors and dominate all distribution channels with anti-competative contracts. This is illegal and they have already been found guilty. Unfortunately our legal system is run by crooks and their punishment was donating the fine worth of music (at the artificially high sale price rather than the pittance it actually costs them) to schools and libraries. They used this as an opportunity to dump crap CDs they could not sell. Some libraries received hundreds of copies of Will Smith's Willenium album. I kid you not. For that crime against humanity, alone the entire RIAA membership deserves execution.

      If we are "going along with it," that means this is a price the market will bear

      That term is traditionally used to describe a single producer selling items into a free market. What we are looking at here is an illegal collaboration among distributors, thus it is the highest price consumers will pay, not what a free market value would be.

      Also consider inflation, and you will see the actual price of a CD has indeed come down quite a bit over the years.

      The cost of production of CDs has never been lower. Mass pressed CDs cost pennies. Most artists actually lose money making the album. In a fair market, CDs would probably cost a few dollars.

      You probably also think gas prices in towns affected by hurricanes should be kept as low as they were before hurricanes, thereby creating gas shortages, rather than letting supply and demand to its thang, increasing the cost of a good that is in short supply to naturally curb hoarding.

      Whenever there is a coalition (OPEC) or a monopoly in place, the free market does not operate. It is not as though you can buy oil from one producer or another and they compete, because most of them are part of a cartel, that colludes to set the price. There is a reason this is illegal. Perhaps you may have noticed the price gouging lawsuits leveled against the oil companies or the fact that their price increases were justified by what have been verified as lies? Maybe you missed the news about how in spite of the hurricane damage to their equipment and the overtime repairs the oils companies somehow made record profits last quarter?

      The market is what it is. If you think CDs are "too expensive," don't buy them. If enough people agree, they'll come down in price or be replaced by similar technology that is less expensive.

      First, I don't buy them. Second, no they won't come down in price or be replaced, instead the record companies will lobby to have laws passed that are effectively taxing hard drives and other storage devices and taxes upon network connections to make money. They have already passed such laws in many places and are lobby hard for them in others. Finally your pseudo-argument, "The market is what it is" is pure bullcrap. One might as well argue, "Blacks are slaves and is the way it is." Claiming that something is the current state of things is no logical justification. Just because something is the status quo does not make it fair or ethical or right.

    10. Re:pay more for music by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      You should try panic once in a while, get some experience as to how the real world works.

      I've lived in Florida for 30 years. Is that enough experience for you?

      The threat of increases in the price of any necessity (hell, anything) leads to panic buying. Look at gas sales before, during, and after a hurricane, look at house sales whenever interest rates look like they might go up. Making statements like this without understanding mob mentality or panic situations makes you look ignorant. Especially in reference to hurricanes and destruction.

      Ummm, well I have some experience with hurricanes. You may recall the four that hit our state last year, and the one that hit our state this year? And that is just 2 out of 30 years. So permit me to speak on the subject.

      Panic buying occurs, naturally. However, the curb to panic buying (hoarding, and eventually selling out of) gasoline is to allow the stations to raise the prices as the market dictates. Yet the first thing you hear in this situation from some clueless moron in office is "we will have no tolerance for 'price gouging!'" So the price is kept ARTIFICIALLY LOW, and everyone buys as much of it as they can git their hands on, creating shortages.

      The free market is great at handling scarcity, if you let it work unhibited. Now imagine after a hurricane, the price of gas increases to $5 or $6 a gallon, based on demand. Now everyone starts buying just what they need to get buy, and the supply side is not slammed as hard, and then the price naturally decreases shortly afterward as supply is improved further and the trouble passes.

      Do you think they'll spend money to build new refineries so they can make less money? Gasoline is mostly inelastic, they'll sell the same amount either way.

      Actually, they'll keep selling more and more of it, because the demand for it is increasing. Since it is a free market (mostly), it is in their best interest to be able to refine more oil into gas so they can sell more of it, to keep up with the growing demand in the US and places like China.

      If they build more refineries, and they can continue to increase the oil supply, they will absolutely make more money. The limiting factor for them now is refining capability, not supply.

      I know it may be hard to believe, but just because gas prices and revenues are high doesn't mean profits will continue to increase. You have to look at their profit MARGINS, that is the only thing that matters really.

      Now you have some government officials wanting to dip their hands into "excess profits" of the gas companies. I have two big issues with that: (1) Was the government giving the same oil companies money back when they were losing money in the 70's and 80's? Quid pro quo? (2) When you steal a company's profits, you are messing with the market in many subtle ways. They now have less money to pay shareholders, for one thing, and that is not just rich Texans, but mom and pop investors, old folks with retirement accounts, you and me, everyone. They have less money for R&D on alternate fuel sources (believe me, they have to plan for alternate fuel sources, because there's money to be made in those fields as well as oil). And most importantly, it's just not fair, it's not the American Way. If the government can come in and steal your legally gotten profits, there is less incentive to go into business. Private property rights must be held in high esteem, or this country is in for some troubled times.

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    11. Re:pay more for music by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      That they were caught price-fixing.

      Yeah, and that was handled. Or do you have proof that they are still price-fixing? If so, please present it.

      Not to mention other nastiness like payola.

      Payola has nothing to do with high or low CD prices. However, payola definitely still occurs and WHO CARES. If a CD company wants to pay someone to play their record on the radio, why the fuck should I care? They can do this legally on satellite radio, why not land-based radio? As long as everyone knows the song placements are bought and paid for, I couldn't care less about payola.

      Care to revise that economics lecture now? :)

      Don't need to.

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    12. Re:pay more for music by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      I still prefer CDs over downloads, in all their 'wasteful' uncompressed goodness. (my 20-year-old CDs still play just great, but will your iTunes downloads still be usable in that time, when software becomes incompatible, or you get locked out by DRM when your hard drive tanks and Apple doesn't feel like helping you out?) I generally only buy used, and only when it's not pseudo-DRM encrusted.

      I have just as much likelihood of being locked out of 5 computers accidentally as you do of having your entire CD collection stolen. If I care that much about my music, I can burn them to CDs for backup purposes, and in all likelihood, worst case scenario, crack the DRM.

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    13. Re:pay more for music by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      Maybe you missed the news about how in spite of the hurricane damage to their equipment and the overtime repairs the oils companies somehow made record profits last quarter?

      Is that surprising, considering demand is so high, world-wide?

      The important question is, how much higher are their profit margins these last couple years, compared with those before? And why are they higher?

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    14. Re:pay more for music by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Is that surprising, considering demand is so high, world-wide?

      What ever gave you the idea demand is higher? Basic economics tells us that any resource sold at least partially for luxury reasons is elastic, and as price goes up, demand responds by going down. Gas prices went up. Tourist towns are going broke since people are avoiding driving places for vacations. RV sales are dead in the water, since they use so much gas. SUV sales went down for the first time this decade. I'd say all of those are indications of declining demand for gas. This implies higher margins, although that is hard to determine with certainty. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

      All of this, of course, is a complete tangent from the original topic of the RIAA's illegal business tactics and avoidance of a free market and the competitive advantages a free market brings to consumers.

  22. Quality by kevin_conaway · · Score: 1

    How is the quality of these things? Would one be able to watch these episodes on a normal television?

    1. Re:Quality by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      If you find VCDs watchable, you'll be able to watch these too. They're the same resolution, 320x240, and they use a much better codec.

      They're no replacement for DVDs or TiVo, though.

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    2. Re:Quality by gillrock · · Score: 1

      Yep, this is where I have issue with paying my hard earned dollar for a piece of inferior quality product.

      I paid the same price for the Lost Season 1 DVD set as one would on iTunes and I get to enjoy the video at full quality on my TV, my PCs, my Laptop, etc. I also have my TiVo should I desire to go that route for PC/laptop viewing of network programming.

      I get the whole iPod thing for music, but I really don't understand why someone would want to view a television program on that little screen. I would equate it to someone paying iTunes for 64 bit encoded audio. It just doesn't make sense.

      It's going to become a media religious war simmilar to the war over widescreen letterbox and 3:4 Pan and Scan video releases.

      Maybe I just answered my own question, but hey, it's your money. Do people really care about having this stuff with them on the go that much that they'd satisfy the video quality to that level, or is it that we've become a society that has a zero attention span and we can't ride a train, plane, or automobile without being in our own little world with our headphones on? Personally, I think it's peoples way of not having to deal with other people.

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  23. Please take my money. by QuantumPion · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well now that a company is offering a completely legal and conveniant service, I am perfectly willing to pay for it. When there is nothing on TV, I would love nothing more then to be able to quickly download an episode for a past show that I havn't seen before without having to go through the various bit torrent sites.

  24. Price of video vs. music by tgibbs · · Score: 1

    Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video?

    I don't find this at all surprising. Perhaps a better way to think about it is the cost per hour, averaged over the entire period of ownership. People may watch a video a few times if they really like it, but listen to a favorite album dozens or even hundreds of times.

  25. Because by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 3, Funny
    Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video?"

    Because you're an idiot. Next question?

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    1. Re:Because by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 1

      It was a joke. Only after I posted it did I realize how nasty it sounded. My apologies.

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    2. Re:Because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relax! It was funny.

  26. sure why not by FadedTimes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Will this encourage more people to put their video content on the iTunes store?
    Of course it will. There is a market for video content; people will see this is another avenue of making money, getting more exposure, etc.
    Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video?
    People will listen to a popular song many times a day. People don't do the same with TV/movies. The entertainment value of most TV shows and movies is gone after 1 viewing. The entertainment value of music seems to carry on much longer.

  27. Comparing song sales vs. video sales by rsborg · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1. iTMS store opening sold 1 million songs in a week, not 20 days.
    2. However, video selection is MUCH more limtied than song selection when iTMS opened.
    3. Also, video probably assumes the purchase of a newer (video) iPod, since I doubt many people are downloading these to watch on their computer/tv.

    So what does this mean? Who knows, but it seems as if the videos are really damn popular. I'd kill, however, to see which ones were more popular than others...

    I think what'd be the real killer app for mobile video would be shorts like comedy, commercials, trailers, etc.

    Apple are you listening? Use what you have already, most movies push trailers, and most commercial creators would DIE to get their bits on the iPod, and there're some totally awesome commercials that are pieces of art in their own right! Imagine a vid-cast of bits from The Daily Show, or a 5 minute part of a standup routine, too.. great for showing people at lunch/etc.

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    1. Re:Comparing song sales vs. video sales by oberondarksoul · · Score: 1

      Apple are you listening?

      No doubt Apple are already in discussions to get all sorts of content up on the iTMS - it all depends on whether the various movie/television/etc. companies are willing to give the nod. Unless they can rope more distributors on board, they're relatively stuck. It all rests with the distributors.

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    2. Re:Comparing song sales vs. video sales by brundlefly · · Score: 4, Insightful
      3. Also, video probably assumes the purchase of a newer (video) iPod, since I doubt many people are downloading these to watch on their computer/tv.

      My first purchases from iTunes were this past week, when I bought some episodes of Lost. Slow day at work, no iPod, just my 21" monitor and my headphones. Thanks, Apple, problem solved.

      What does this say? It says that videos are more appealing for purchase than music for some people. And it says that full-screen Quicktime on a 21" monitor is a fine substitute for an iPod with a 2-inch screen.

    3. Re:Comparing song sales vs. video sales by endoplasmicMessenger · · Score: 1
      Also, video probably assumes the purchase of a newer (video) iPod, since I doubt many people are downloading these to watch on their computer/tv.

      I do not own an iPod. Nor do I plan on ever owning an iPod (at least, not until it supports Ogg). However, I have downloaded TV video to watch on my iBook. When we travel, the iBook becomes the in-car music and DVD player for the kids. Now it can also become the in-car TV.

      I already own a TV out adapter for my iBook. I haven't used it much lately, but should I want or need to, I could hook my iBook up to the family TV (again) and watch iTunes videos on TV.

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    4. Re:Comparing song sales vs. video sales by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I think a lot of the stuff you mention are great potential fodder for videocasts. I think being able to sell ad time to pay for the production would be a tough thing to do at first though.

      Anyway, any video you have or make has potential to be transcoded, no need to buy them if you know what to do.

    5. Re:Comparing song sales vs. video sales by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

      I bet out of that first million that were downloaded most were bought to watch on the computer. Most people aren't going to have a new video capable iPod right now but some of them might get one if the video looks good enough so they check it out by buying something. Probably a bunch of people just buy one to see what all the fuss is about and they don't even own an iPod.

        They're two bucks and you can buy them by just clicking on a button. I think this is a good idea but all the million videos in 20 days is about is initial curiosity. In order to really launch this thing they need some content and they need it fast. There's really not much there when you look at it but then again who gives a shit about blowing two bucks? If you're shopping on iTunes then odds are good that you don't. I know I don't.

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    6. Re:Comparing song sales vs. video sales by mblase · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, video probably assumes the purchase of a newer (video) iPod, since I doubt many people are downloading these to watch on their computer/tv.

      Where'd you get that idea? The video is perfectly viewable on a computer monitor; I bought an episode of "Lost" and got perfectly good video on my 17" CRT. It wasn't anywhere near DVD quality, more like a good-quality VCR recording from analog TV -- but the detail was fine and I could enjoy it from the couch halfway across the room.

      I buy music from iTMS all the time, even though I don't own an iPod; I'm positive I'm not the only one. iTMS plays well with iPods, but there's no requirement there. The video and audio are both just as enjoyable on the desktop as they are in your pocket.

    7. Re:Comparing song sales vs. video sales by janos77 · · Score: 1
      My first purchases from iTunes were this past week, when I bought some episodes of Lost. Slow day at work, no iPod, just my 21" monitor and my headphones. Thanks, Apple, problem solved.

      What does this say?

      it says that you should ask your boss for some more work.

    8. Re:Comparing song sales vs. video sales by cecom · · Score: 1

      My first purchases from iTunes were this past week, when I bought some episodes of Lost. Slow day at work, no iPod, just my 21" monitor and my headphones. Thanks, Apple, problem solved.

      Inspired by your experience (I don't own an iPod) I thought I might too buy some videos to watch on my PC. I went over to www.itunes.com to see what they offer, how much it costs, etc. What the heck, if they have songs of the bands I like, I might even buy an iPod!

      What a disappointment that was ! Tell me, where are the frigging videos ? Where is anything on that website ? I don't want to download iTunes (there isn't one for Linux, anyway), I just want to see the song & video lists and prices. Impossible. Wherever I click, I get errors like "itms is not a registered protocol" or I am redirected to a page "http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/" which is empty.

      Fuck that. In Amazon.com I can browse as much as I want without subscribing or downloading anything. Now Apple wants me to reboot in Windows, download and install iTunes, only so that I can see whether there is something that I might possibly want there ?

      Honestly, people, I don't see how you do it.

    9. Re:Comparing song sales vs. video sales by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Uh, you download the videos from inside iTunes. *draws diagram*

      You're welcome to not use iTunes, but I don't really understand why you'd be all grouchy that Apple wants you to use their software to view these videos. You are obviously not in the target audience.

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    10. Re:Comparing song sales vs. video sales by cecom · · Score: 1

      Sigh, I have no problem with using Apple's software. The problem is there is no way to find out if they have anything that I am interested in at all.

      I know nothing about iTunes - what songs and videos are there, how much they cost, etc. So, I go to the web site to see what they have find out whether it would make sense for me to subscribe. Only I can't, because I must subscribe first. It is a Catch 22, see ?

    11. Re:Comparing song sales vs. video sales by magicchex · · Score: 1

      You don't suscribe to anything to use iTunes. You can open it and browse without an account.

      I'm not sure what you're complaining about. It sounds like you're arguing for the sake or argument.

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    12. Re:Comparing song sales vs. video sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slow day at work, no iPod, just my 21" monitor and my headphones. Thanks, Apple, problem solved.

      This is your boss. You're fired.

    13. Re:Comparing song sales vs. video sales by Moofie · · Score: 1

      There is no "subscribe", unless you want to buy something, and then you give 'em a credit card and an email address, pretty much like every other online site you've ever bought stuff from.

      Now, if you're complaining because you can't use the iTunes Music Store without installing iTunes, I think you're fairly silly. The grocery store doesn't usually dispense orange juice into a pail for you either...you have to take the can or carton or bottle as well.

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  28. Here's what would help it be even more successful: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    One of the things I loved when MP3s became popular was to rediscover older songs. Not just the new stuff, but stuff from my childhood. The pop songs that were big when I was growing up, the theme music to the TV shows I loved as a kid. The kind of stuff you couldn't buy because no one was selling it.

    Well, let's get all the classic TV shows up in iTunes and I'll definitely buy some videos. I'd love to have a few Get Smart, Gilligan Island, and the like. Have the Best Of... type of collections. When the studios release their library of stuff that isn't on syndication any more, or even Nick at Nite, it'll open up a big market for nostalgia buys.

  29. Re:Now lets get some real videos by shotfeel · · Score: 1

    For TV shows, I can see it. For videos I would usually buy on DVD? Not with that video quality. As mentioned on arstechnica.com, Apple could possibly make a bundle with some of the older TV shows. I'm sure just about everyone can think of a series or two that's no longer airing and not available on DVD that they'd love to see once again.

  30. Heres Why by Gotung · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video?"

    Because video is typically only viewed a few times. Music has much more longevity. You get much more in the long run out of a $1 song then you do a $1 video.

    1. Re:Heres Why by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Unless it's a music video that you can play just for the audio, in which case it will get at least as much replay as a song. And you can watch it if'n'when you like.

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  31. It's a show horse by Swift2001 · · Score: 1

    There's a lot of independent producers who want to market limited-market videos, but they can't use the store yet. There's a lot of podcasters and the like offering free video. This, however, is a demo for the other studios: See, Sony, Universal, etc.? Watch the cash flow, and get in on the ground floor with Disney. I think it's a crappy format for all but a few movies. A romantic comedy, maybe. A TV drama shot largely in closeup, okay. But try to watch a spectacular on this screen. Yuck. No, my bet is that shows up to an hour will sell well.

  32. This is what I've been waiting for by JudgeFurious · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Once the content gets in there I'll be buying video from iTunes. That is assuming of course that the prices stay close to what I'm seeing right now. This fits in good with my desire to buy seasons worth of some shows on DVD but only a handful of episodes where other shows are concerned.

      I look at South Park, Dead Like Me, and my Battlestar Galactica fix and I say "Buy the season on DVD". My wife wants Buffy the Vampire Slayer seasons 1-6 and DVD is the way to go.

      I look at Star Trek Deep Space 9 and I say "Got to get me some DVD's.....HOLY SHIT CAN YOU BELIEVE WHAT PARAMOUNT WANTS FOR THAT? MIGHTY PROUD OF THE STAR TREK AREN'T WE GUYS?"

      Then I think about it and there probably weren't 10 episodes of DS9 I really want anyway. Maybe 10 if I push it. 20 bucks for those 10 episodes and screw the rest of it because it wasn't all that good anyway? I'm in.

      Of course IF Paramount ever lets them sell episodes of Star Trek (and flavor) on iTunes they'll probably demand that they sell for $9.99 each or some insane amount of money that will screw the whole deal up anyway.

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    1. Re: This is what I've been waiting for by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      > I look at South Park, Dead Like Me, and my Battlestar Galactica fix and I say "Buy the
      > season on DVD". My wife wants Buffy the Vampire Slayer seasons 1-6 and DVD is the way to go.

      DVD is pretty cool, but pretty bulky with officaly pressed DVD-9. A given 16 to 24 episode season is going to be 4 to 6 discs, which easily becomes 36 discs. This adds up really quick. I'm happy to burn my self but at $2/episode I would enjoy the option of getting the stuff on a pressed disc, with a pre-printed cover. But even if that were not the case, let's say for example I take the time to buy "24". Given the choice between 30 discs or 5 to 10 discs i'd pick 5-10 discs.

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    2. Re: This is what I've been waiting for by rthille · · Score: 1

      When I'm in Costco, I occasionally see some DVDs I might be interested in. But I think, how many times am I going to watch that? So I message my home computer from my phone to remind me to put it on my NetFlix queue.
      Music I'll buy in CDs, but videos I want to watch seldom enough that it takes a lot for me to buy one.
      On the other hand, we watch few enough DVDs these days that I'm considering dumping our Netflix account. I'd probably be doing that seasonally already (DirecTivo keeps us in brain-rot material) if it weren't for the fact that we've been netflix customers long enough to have 4-out at the 3-out price.

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    3. Re: This is what I've been waiting for by doormat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I look at Star Trek Deep Space 9 and I say "Got to get me some DVD's.....HOLY SHIT CAN YOU BELIEVE WHAT PARAMOUNT WANTS FOR THAT? MIGHTY PROUD OF THE STAR TREK AREN'T WE GUYS?"

      I thought about this the other day.

      7 Seasons of TNG at $100/season = $700
      7 Seasons of DS9 at $100/season = $700
      7 Seasons of VOY at $100/season = $700
      4 Seasons of ENT at $100/season = $400

      $2500 and that doesnt even include TOS or your local sales tax!! Paramount bite my shiny metal ass if they want me to pay $2500+tax for star trek (for about 500 episodes). If the price went below $1,000, I'd be much more inclined to consider it. And think of who your audience is? A bunch of geeks and nerds, you dont think they know how to get a copy of DVD decryptor, a netflix subscription and a 500GB HD? Hell, I saw Sex in the City for $165 for the entire 5 season series (20 discs) in the Best Buy ad this weekend.

      $2500 vs $800 in hard drives (2x500 - one for backup) + $200 for a netflix sub to get all the DVDs + free time

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    4. Re: This is what I've been waiting for by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
      You really need to make a trip to China. Seasons of DS9 for $7/each. If you got a bunch of stuff, you could justify the cost of the trip to yourself.

      Just got complete 14-disc Monty Python the other day. $14.

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    5. Re: This is what I've been waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Got a couple weeks? Download all 7 seasons of Star Trek DS9 via Bittorrent. Give the earlier seasons' episodes a higher priority and start watching right away.

      That's about 70GB (each ep is 350MB), which comes to measly $25 on a cheap harddrive (@ 40 cents/GB). $25 vs $700.

    6. Re: This is what I've been waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit! Now I know for sure that TV will be dead soon

    7. Re: This is what I've been waiting for by vidnet · · Score: 1

      You'd think candy is cheap at $1 for a chocolate bar, but buying one million chocolate bars costs ONE MILLION DOLLARS!! How can people afford to eat chocolate?

      $5 per episode is perhaps a little much, but I've spent more for an hour of entertainment (queue prostitue jokes).

    8. Re: This is what I've been waiting for by sg3000 · · Score: 1

      > 7 Seasons of TNG at $100/season = $700

      I keep waiting for Paramount to figure out that TNG is waaay overpriced, considering that the first two seasons are pretty silly.

      A&E seemed to have figured this out, and they released a new version of the complete Monty Python series that's cheaper than the previous set, has better packaging (i.e., smaller cases), and more content. Eventually Paramount will figure out they should repackage TNG, reduce the price, and make a killing.

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  33. Video iPods? by Trogre · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    But how many of those downloads are going to video iPods?

    I wonder if most of those downloads are actually going on iRivers...

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    1. Re:Video iPods? by SlightlyOldGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Doesn't the DRM prevent playing these things on anything other than an iPod or iTunes?

    2. Re:Video iPods? by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Doesn't the DRM prevent playing these things on anything other than an iPod or iTunes?

      I don't know, but if it does (and can't be circumvented in the name of interoperability), Apple might have a antitrust suit on their hands.

      Imagine if MS opened a music store tomorrow, but you needed Windows to play anything you bought there. /. would scream bloody murder!

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    3. Re:Video iPods? by thuh+Freak · · Score: 1

      "Ha Ha, retard. I still got millions and millions of dollars" -Steve, laughing all the way to the bank.

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  34. Not surprised at all by CrazyTalk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is such a new technology/distribution medium, and iPods have such a big market share, that I'm sure they could find a million people to spend 2 bucks just to try the thing out and see what it is like. I dont even have a video iPod, but was thinking of buying an episode of "Lost" to watch on my Mac since 1. I've never seen it on regular TV and 2. was curious about download speed, picture quality etc.

  35. Re:Now lets get some real videos by malchus842 · · Score: 1

    I think that Apple may be using this to show that the MPAA can make some real money on selling videos from iTunes.

    And the MPAA will, like the RIAA before it, along with the content providers, begin demanding larger and larger cuts and higher and higher prices.

    They can't imagine a world where they can't rape the consumer.

  36. prices by PresidentEnder · · Score: 1
    I paid $40 for Firefly on DVD after seeing Serenity. Granted, the stuff available for the iPod video is no Firefly, but consider: people are willing to shell out a hundred bucks a season for the Star Trek DVD sets, perhaps $40 for That 70s Show or something similar. That works out to a bit more than $1.99 an episode, especially for Star Trek and Firefly. The DVDs have special features, but I don't care about them; they have DRM, of course, and that does bother me. The portability, price, and not having to drive to the store make the iPod video seem worthwhile to me.

    If only I was willing to buy an apple product and be a clone of everyone else.

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    1. Re:prices by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, just pretend you worked for Apple and got an iPod the minute it came out (like me) and you can be an elitest instead of a clone!

      Remember how you read and worshiped LoTR long before they made it into movies and every trendy 15 year old went to see it? See, you're already an elitest! Hooray for looking down on the masses!

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  37. Why don't they partner with MTV networks? by British · · Score: 1

    MTV has been sitting on a mountain of music videos for ages that haven't been played.

    VH1 Classic sure seems to have a lot of videos. Why don't you encode & sell them? I would have been more than happy to have paid for Josie Cotton's "Jimmy loves marianne" instead of requesting it & waiting to tape it(I eventually got it from p2p networks).

    Let me guess, tied up in royalties and such?

    Fine then, I'll just scoot around it by going back to Soulseek.

    1. Re:Why don't they partner with MTV networks? by Tankko · · Score: 1

      MTV and VH1 don't own those videos. They just have the rights to broadcast them. The record label (or in some rare cases the artist) owns the rights. That is who will have to license them to iTunes.

  38. Obligatory by Orrin+Bloquy · · Score: 0

    ...but does it play pr0n?

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  39. Video by certel · · Score: 0, Redundant

    You can bet that they will increase prices.

  40. Only if by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

    those songs are worth listening to, and not the fad hit of the day, or the target of ClearChannel as a new "hit".

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  41. Re:Some people have way too much $$$ to waste... by MrAndrews · · Score: 1

    I wasn't convinced that you'd be able to find enough people to buy videos at $1.99 each, especially at that low resolution. I figured the fact that Apple hadn't announced any stats for two weeks meant that they'd failed miserably and would be re-thinking the pricing/quality issues. And now this.

    It probably won't make CBS, Fox, NBC or the other networks join in, but this kind of response will help fiendish web videographers get financing for their projects. Everything you could possibly imagine will be produced, just to cash in on the hopefully-will-be craze.

    I apologize in advance for the further decay of Western Civilization.

  42. -1 Sour Grapes by erroneus · · Score: 1

    Since I personally do not identify with this product, I can't see it as anything but a fad type of thing. Anything Apple sells is an instant initial success... especially lately. But at least iPod, just like all portable music players, have long had an established market... it's just newer technology to deliver the same end. Video is something relatively new. We have actually had the ability to create and use portable video devices for a very long time. Most of the smaller Mini-DV camcorders have a large enough screen to work to that end. It hasn't had enough market demand to drive the creation of such devices. And portable TVs are largely the same -- remember those "Bentley" branded miniature TVs that ended up as give-aways in sales promotions? How about the plethora of similar devices once for sale at Radio Shack?

    This is not a product they should have made. If it is largely successful for longer than a month or two after Christmas, I will be VERY surprised. iPods are good. The video thing is a fad that won't last long... that's my prediction anyway.

  43. Good deal? by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1
    $1.99 for tv shows seems to be a good deal as long as they cut the commercials out, or at least most of them.

    How is it a good deal? DVD for the complete first season of Lost: at Amazon. According to the details for the DVD, that's 24 episodes. 24 * $1.99 = $47.76. So you're paying more for the privilege of downloading episodes the day after they air, instead of waiting for the DVD to come out.

    Not only that, but the episodes you download are 320x200, much less than DVD res. Plus, you don't get all the extras like the commentaries.

    I think it's great that they're offering the episodes to download, but no way that's a "good deal." I'd be all over it if it cost me $0.50 or less, but $1.99 is way, waaay too much.

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    1. Re:Good deal? by Knetzar · · Score: 1

      I can't stand to "buy" video in a locked down format, but I'd happily "rent" an episode of something like Lost for 0.50 for 1 week even if it was DRMed up the...

    2. Re:Good deal? by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except that Lost DVDs aren't available until after the season ends. An episode is available on iTunes the day after it's broadcast. There's a certain kind of TV show that generates a lot of buzz, and people want to watch them at about the same time as their friends. Waiting six months or longer (some TV shows don't make it to DVD for years) is not an acceptable option.

    3. Re:Good deal? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Well, since you can buy all of season 1 of Lost for $34.99 from iTMS, I guess it's not quite as bad a deal as you're making it out to be.

      Whether it's a good deal FOR YOU is for you to decide. I just think it's a little silly to construct straw man arguments when the facts are readily available.

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    4. Re:Good deal? by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1
      Dude...what part of "pay more for downloading episodes the day after they air" did you not understand from my post?

      Not that paying the exact same price you pay for the actual dvd's makes it a good deal either, but at least read the post before you bitch.

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    5. Re:Good deal? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      You musta missed the part where I corrected your wrong assertion about how much Season 1 cost.

      But, hey, whatever makes you have the happy in your trousers.

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    6. Re:Good deal? by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      Look, I don't mean to be offensive to you or anything, but I really have problems understanding your argument. I'd just like to understand why people think the price is good. Let me break down what I said earlier.

      Original argument assumes that:

      1. Season 2 will be released on dvd for the same price
      2. You're buying the episodes before they are out on dvd. Thus, the "paying more for getting the episode the day after it airs."

      Once the DVD is actually out, as in the case of season 1...what in the hell is the advantage of paying essentially the same price for the downloadable episodes as you would be paying for the DVD's? Click that amazon link, you even get free shipping.

      I must say that I've *never* seen this before. Consumers defending high prices. Why do you think $35 is acceptable when you can buy a better product for the same price? At least one person replied that he thought that getting the episode the day after was worth the extra money for the $1.99...but...you can watch it on tv for free the day before. You can program your vcr / tivo to record those so that you don't miss it. In the event you do miss it, you can ask around the water cooler to see if anyone recorded it (yeah, the MPAA is going to try to tell us that lending tapes of last night's show to a friend is illegal). If you really can't find what you missed, I suppose I can see paying the $2, but you should do so kicking and screaming, not saying, "wow, this is a good deal."

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    7. Re:Good deal? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      " 1. Season 2 will be released on dvd for the same price"

      Maybe so, maybe no. Who cares?

      "2. You're buying the episodes before they are out on dvd. Thus, the "paying more for getting the episode the day after it airs.""

      That has nothing to do with the fact that I corrected a factual error in your post. You seem to be having an argument with somebody who is not me.

      "Why do you think $35 is acceptable when you can buy a better product for the same price?"

      Why do you care what I think? Apple thinks that they can command a higher price for the convenience of putting the video on an iPod. The market will tell them if they're right or not. Apple is welcome to price their services however they want, and customers are free to buy them or not.

      What is the problem here? If you don't think it's a good deal, don't buy it. I'm not offended, I'm a little perplexed at why you're so exercised about this...

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    8. Re:Good deal? by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      Well, thanks for the response, I imagine you're pretty tired of this.

      Maybe so, maybe no. Who cares?

      I figured people who would want to purchase episodes from the tv show would care. Either way, seasons of the same show are generally priced equally unless there's a difference in the number of episodes in the season, so it's a very good assumption.

      That has nothing to do with the fact that I corrected a factual error in your post.

      What factual error? My original post doesn't claim a price for the whole season which is already out on dvd at once. It states that if you were to buy each episode the day after they air "instead of waiting for the DVD to come out" (actual quote), you're paying that much for the season. It further implies that if you were to wait until the season is over, you could get better and more for less.

      Why do you care what I think?

      Because you're not just claiming that people will buy it, you're the one claiming it's a good deal for you. I wanted to know why you think that.

      The market will tell them if they're right or not.

      Well, there's only game in town right now. The market tends to decide on higher prices than consumers would like when there's a monopoly.

      What is the problem here? If you don't think it's a good deal, don't buy it.

      I won't. I am disappointed that I'm on the minority and that these episodes are selling so well. It means it's not likely that the price will come down to the point where I will think it's a good deal. I was also annoyed that I couldn't make the connection between the dvd price clear. Perhaps I should have just summed it up in that I expect lower quality = lower price, and I wasn't seeing the lower price. I do admit to not counting the "convenience of putting the video on an iPod," and I have no comparison point to estimate what that would be worth, so I digress. Thanks again for your time, hope I've made myself clear this time.

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    9. Re:Good deal? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "Either way, seasons of the same show are generally priced equally unless there's a difference in the number of episodes in the season,"

      Duh. Renting a movie and showing it to ten people is cheaper than buying ten movie tickets. This is a well-understood pricing strategy. Also, renting one movie a lot of times is going to be more expensive than buying the movie. Point is, YOU get to spend YOUR money the way YOU want to. Exercise your fiat. Stop whining. There is nobody coercing you.

      "Because you're not just claiming that people will buy it, you're the one claiming it's a good deal for you"

      You're crazy. I made no such claim. You are arguing with the wrong person.

      "Well, there's only game in town right now"

      Apple is the only company that has elected to play this game, yes. Do you think it would somehow be better, or fairer, if they waited until some time in the unspecified future to start selling their service?

      Somebody has to move first.

      "Well, there's only game in town right now. The market tends to decide on higher prices than consumers would like when there's a monopoly."

      You're not seriously suggesting that Apple has a monopoly on television content distribution, are you?

      "I won't."

      Fine.

      "I am disappointed"

      Wah.

      "that I'm on the minority and that these episodes are selling so well"

      You seem to be predicating your feelings and actions based on the feelings and actions of other people. This is a lousy strategy for self-actualization, and I suggest you re-evaluate it. You will be a happier person.

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  44. Sales by JonN · · Score: 2, Informative

    Really, there is no downside with the way Apple has handled the beginning of a transition into video. It seems unlikely that anyone planning to purchase an iPod would say, "wait a minute, I get a bigger, much better screen, larger storage, and thinner iPod for the same money as the old iPod--no way, I don't want that." Even if you exclude video capability, the new iPod has other features alone which might have ticked up the numbers. So, its hardly a surprise that Apple is happy with the results. I hope Apple is able to announce, before Thanksgiving, some big deal with at least one studio, for more content (e.g. Warner Bros., Paramount, etc.) which will include real movies. That will be the kicker for outstanding sales of the video iPod for Christmas.

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  45. Shiny new toy... by thesandbender · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd say a full half of the gadgets I buy are shiny, new and fun... for the first month. Then they're relegated to "eBay" pile. I'll be more interested in seeing how their sales fare in six months when having the latest teenage singer shaking her bottom in your hand is no longer enough to make you the "cool guy/gal" in school. I tried video on my iPAQ and trust me, there are better, more entertaining ways to go blind. Speaking which, time to go shave my palms.

    1. Re:Shiny new toy... by ubergamer1337 · · Score: 1

      I myself have a PalmOne Lifedrive, and I use it to watch videos and TV shows all the time. i can watch them at 320/480, and they look fine, and run at 30FPS. I find portable video to be an excellent way to spend boring time commuting, and such

  46. What it actually will make happen by Dexter77 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's very common these days that good series are cancelled in middle of a season. iTunes TV-series sales will make a change to that. When new series launches in the USA, it only has about 300 million potential viewers, but when the same show launces on iTunes, it has about two billion potential viewers.

    Many people don't yet even realize what this might do to the industry. There will become more and more scifi series, because TV-companies don't have to rely on US Scifi fans only. And that's just the beginning. Soon you'll able to order tv-series like you order magazines now. Fans might even start to have their own tailored episodes or even whole series.

    I'll sincerely welcome iTunes. It will change the industry - mark my words. Difference to other Video-on-demand services is that iTunes is 'the standard'. It's safe to buy there and you don't have to worry about having to deal with some strange proprietary DRM software.

    1. Re:What it actually will make happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There will become more and more scifi series, because TV-companies don't have to rely on US Scifi fans only.


      I'm afraid you are only slighty right. US TV series are already sold to TV networks all over the world. I don't need iTunes to watch Buffy, Star Trek, The Soprano, NCIS or whatever because it's available thanks to my local (french) cable provider.
      Moreover I'm afraid only a small part of the audiences would watch non dubbed series. So you would still need the painfull and lenghty steps of dubbing for most non-english-speaking countries.

      It *might* change the factors in the cancelation of a show, cause nowadays only the US audiences results influence it. With iTunes downloads available very shortly after US broadcasting, the results in audiences all over the world could be factored in the choice.
      It would prevent some things as a show being cancelled in the USA after the first season, at the same time that the show is a hit in delayed broadcasts in other countries.

      Nevertheless it will certainely works with the die hard fans, who can't wait a couple of month for the new episodes. They could switch from bittorrent to iTunes then.
    2. Re:What it actually will make happen by TrentC · · Score: 1

      I'll sincerely welcome iTunes. It will change the industry - mark my words.

      Hell, video-on-demand was changing the industry before this. In a blog post about pitching TV shows, John Rogers gives a little background on the TV industry; how studios used to produce shows at a loss with the money recouped when the show sold into syndication, but now are starting to recoup that money faster by selling DVD box sets. (I wonder how much money the first season of Lost is making for ABC?)

      It's a fairly well-known anecdote that the box sets for the first season of Babylon 5 made enough money to pay the production costs of that season. (IMO, the same would not be true if it had been direct-to-DVD from the start; I didn't like the first season of B5 originally, and it wasn't until the show was over and I re-watched the first season that I came to appreciate it, though it's still not my favorite.) Everybody who reads Slashdot is aware of the role the sales of the Firefly box set contributed to Serenity being made.

      Personally, I've bought one TV episode from iTunes music store -- I bought the premiere of The Night Stalker both to see if the show was any good, and to see what the video quality was like. To me, the initial TV offerings aren't enough to make me want to spend a lot of money on it so far; but if Apple were to get SciFi on board, and offer episodes of Battlestar Galactica? Hmm...

      Jay (=

    3. Re:What it actually will make happen by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Personally, I've bought one TV episode from iTunes music store -- I bought the premiere of The Night Stalker both to see if the show was any good, and to see what the video quality was like. To me, the initial TV offerings aren't enough to make me want to spend a lot of money on it so far; but if Apple were to get SciFi on board, and offer episodes of Battlestar Galactica? Hmm..."

      Or the BBC and offer the new *Doctor Who* exclusively through iTunes here in the States...

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  47. That's why! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video? I suspect if you were willing to put up with several interruptions in the middle of each song for commercials, the music would be cheaper too.

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  48. Re:Some people have way too much $$$ to waste... by blackmonday · · Score: 1

    I'm a Lost fan, but I missed last week's episode because I moved and my Tivo was offline. How do I catch-up? This is perfect for me. I don't need to buy or rent the DVDs for 1 measly episode. And, I'd have to wait for the end of the season to get that anyway. Bittorent? Never seems to work for me, and hey this iTunes method is legal. I'm so tired of the "It doesn't work for ME! It's not good enough!" posts. It *is* good enough. They sold a million in less than a month. They don't need to go out of their way to please a minority of customers.

  49. Hmm... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm depressed about this.. I wanted this to flop so that Apple and the studios would be forced to give us more content, higher res, and less DRM... And I'm an Apple shareholder!

    Because, up until now, the studios had given us so much full-quality digital non-DRM encumbered content?

    Please.

    When they were already providing essentially *no* content, how would the first major commercial offering of such a service flopping "force" them to provide *more* content?

    Further, you think that they'll provide content with "less" DRM? (Are you implying you'll accept DRM, if there's "less" of it? Or do you really mean no DRM? Because if that's what you mean, you'll NEVER get it.)

    As to higher res, there's a problem here other than the content providers or Apple. And it's just a little one called "bandwidth". Before you go off telling me that you want to download your 1080i movies, even H.264 compressed, please explain how, even on the highest bandwidth home broadband connections generally available in the US, a 6 hour download jibes with Apple's strategy.

    Never underestimate of the power of stupid anonymous coward posts on Slashdot.

    1. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, I resemble that remark.

  50. Music $ Video $ by jhouserizer · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video?

    Because most of us can only stand to watch the best of videos three times at the most, but can listen to the best of songs hundreds of times.

  51. Old shows by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

    I think what will really take off are old TV shows. A lot of content that had no viable market can now be dusted off and made available at a low price. It might even lead to a resurgence, and give shows that were good but never found an audience a chance to bloom.

  52. Future Business Leader of America by Scotch+Game · · Score: 1
    Personally I am surprised by this success

    Yeah, me too, because iTunes has been a flop, BitTorrent is hardly used at all, file sharing is so late-90s, and $1.99 per video is, well, really, who can afford that?

  53. Re:Some people have way too much $$$ to waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    your retarded

  54. Surely this is common sense by deaddrunk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At the moment I pay £5.99 for the privilege of watching 3 dvds a month, or £2.50 per dvd hire from the local shop. I'd be delighted to pay £1.99 for stuff that I want to see whenever I want, my only option at the moment is to break the law for bittorrents which never seem to work anyway. I don't even agree with piracy, but sometimes I just wanted to watch stuff without waiting for the TV stations here to deign to show them again. If I can pay £1.99 a time for stuff that I want to watch ad-free at my convenience I'll be biting Steve Job's hand off. I doubt I'm alone in this.

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  55. It's not just replay value by rewt66 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How much would you pay to go to a movie? How much would you pay for a concert?

    For some reason, music is worth more than movies. I'm not saying that I understand why, I'm just saying that it's deeper than just replay value.

    1. Re:It's not just replay value by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Two different things. Concerts are live, which is a great part of their attraction. The comparison should be:

      How much would you pay to go to the theatre? How much would you pay for a concert?

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    2. Re:It's not just replay value by east+coast · · Score: 1

      How much would you pay to go to a movie? How much would you pay for a concert?

      A closer analogy would be how much would you be willing to pay to see a live video of your favorite band on the big screen. The answer is probably 'not very much'.

      At a concert they are right there, you're close to the stars and it's something that you and a small group of people get to see, it's nearly a religious experience for some members of the crowd. In the case of a video or movie the action happens once and you get to see it as many times as you like as long as you keep paying for admission to the theater or buy the DVD, whichever the case may be.

      What if the film was being performed on a stage? Now that brings in money, more than a concert in most cases. But in all honesty it's not very practicle in the world of CGI and stars that make millions for a couple of weeks of video shoots.

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    3. Re:It's not just replay value by Paladin128 · · Score: 1

      Poor comparison -- a concert is a liver performance, and in a given area, the performance is generally available once a night for three nights tops.

      Print a movie to a roll of film and play it 6 times a day for 6 weeks. It's a simple economic problem.

      A concert costs far more to put on and will reach far fewer people. Though a film may cost more to make than a tour of an A-list rock artist, but because of economies of scale, the movie viewing is cheaper.

      Live theater is more in line with concert prices...

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    4. Re:It's not just replay value by alecks · · Score: 1

      "How much would you pay to go to a movie? How much would you pay for a concert?"

      I think the better comparison would be between a concert and a theater play, since both are live... If you want to compare to movies, then compare those in-theater concerts, which I'm not sure how much they cost, but i bet it's $10-15...

    5. Re:It's not just replay value by Ahnteis · · Score: 1

      Lots of people have sort of ... well, tried to point out the disparity there.

      Go check out the cost of the latest LIVE Broadway show.

      I seem to remember that Phantom of the Opera tickets started around $70 or so when they came through here.

      Meanwhile, I saw Norah Jones for about $30.

  56. When cable is gone. by changa · · Score: 1

    Does this mean when the cable tv model dies and is replaced with iTunes I will have to spend $400 a year just to watch the Daily Show?

    At $2 an episode does makes sense if you are buying an episode every so often but buying every episode of every season at those prices makes bittorrent a much better deal.

  57. just wait... by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 1

    serenity for $1.99 anyone?

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    1. Re:just wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the Firefly is one of the #1 selling dvd sets on amazon, I hope Apple is able to offer it on Itunes, with the 1st episode given for free. That's sure to hook a lot of people on the series.

  58. What's really interesting about this article by Mike1024 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What's really interesting about this article is this quote:

    "Selling 1 million videos in less than 20 days strongly suggests there is a market for legal video downloads," Steve Jobs, chief executive officer, said in a statement. "Our next challenge is to broaden our content offerings, so that customers can enjoy watching more videos on their computers and new iPods."

    Interpret that how you will, but I take it to mean apple wants to offer a larger number of TV shows for download to your Mac or PC.

    Michael

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    1. Re:What's really interesting about this article by BigZaphod · · Score: 1

      Where's the "-1 Duh!" rating? :-) No offense, but it's pretty obvious Apple would want to expand their offerings of video - they hardly have any choice as it is right now! That's not what's interesting about this news item. The interesting bit is just how many they sold. This is very good evidence of market demand for new media delivery models!

    2. Re:What's really interesting about this article by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      Interpret that how you will, but I take it to mean apple wants to offer a larger number of TV shows for download to your Mac or PC.

      Thank you, Captain Obvious. How on Earth did you achieve such glorious insight? You must be Steve Jobs's right-hand man.

      Apple wants to sell more stuff on iTunes, news at 11.

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  59. Europe by Hrothgar+The+Great · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was on vacation in Europe this summer, and the people we were staying with had MTV on the television, and I am serious - maybe 80-90% of the ads were from a couple of different companies hawking mind bogglingly irritating ringtones. It was completely unbelievable. And it was always the SAME ONES over and over. Yikes.

    Considering how much I DIDN'T want to buy any of them, the only conclusion I could come to was that I must be getting old.

    Oh, and by the way, if you're in the US, like me, this is going to be how our TV is pretty soon too, since we're trying to play catch-up with just about every other country in the world in cell phone technology right now. Just you wait.

    1. Re:Europe by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Yeah, visiting the UK las year it seemed like every other ad was Jamster or some other ringtone supplier. I've noticed those ads (the type anyway) start popping up on US tv recently.

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    2. Re:Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make that 100% of the commercials. I'm living in Germany at the moment and every single commercial on MTV that is not plugging another MTV show is a ringtone commercial. To say that it's a huge market here (as ridiculous as it may seem) is an understatement.

      They do play them over and over every commercial break. I swear I can't stomach another millisecond of MTV anymore.

    3. Re:Europe by smithwis · · Score: 1

      Just hope to god you don't get crazy frog, or the birds or anything of the like. And as another poster mentioned the worst was that they'd repeat the exact same commercial twice in the same break. I swear the crazy frog tune made it into the top ten charts in the UK. Frickin 13 year olds. It's been better recently, though I still stay away from MTV if I can help it.

    4. Re:Europe by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      These ads are sort of hit & run con men. When someone signs up, they get sent X ringtones per month that they did not request. It's in the small print, so it's legal. Word of mouth gets around and people stop buying when they hear of a friend getting stung for 30 pounds. That's how I'm explaining the saturation advertising of them to myself, it makes sense. I've not noticed so many of them lately, but I gotta admit that around 3 months ago my broadcast-TV watching went to non-existent. Now it's just dvds and bittorrent, and no fucking frog!! Surely some of the TV stations must have realised this has cost them viewers.

      Recently, the crazy frog was banned here in the UK before the 9pm "watershed" after many complaints from parents of ripped-off children.

    5. Re:Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God, must you remind us all of that @#$$@#%@#$ frog. That frog appearing on the dilbert webpage WITH SOUND was what finally drove me to install adblocker. DIE FROG DIE. As for the tv adds...

    6. Re:Europe by Upphew · · Score: 1, Informative

      Speaking of Crazy Frog... http://www.yle.fi/top40/albumit.shtml Thats Finnish Top 40 Album list and look what is at 11th place... and been on the list for 14 veeks!

    7. Re:Europe by drsquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Top ten? It was at number one for several weeks!

      We may as well just cancel civilisation, it's clearly a failed experiment.

    8. Re:Europe by hattig · · Score: 1

      There were adverts for mobile phone wallpapers called "Torch". As far as I could tell, this was a purely white image, like you could get by loading MS Paint and saving without doing /anything/, and the "Torch" came from the phone backlight.

      Certainly I don't know why ringtones are popular, not when phones can play MP3s and utilise them as ringtones. I suppose it is just taking advantage of the criminally retarded masses.

      What's worse is "Message Tones" ... i.e., sound effects. The average computer is probably LOADED with MP3 sound effects from various games, software packages, etc. If not, a tenner will probably buy you several thousand sound effects on a CD. So why are people paying £1.50 or whatever for a 5 second sound effect (up to one effect per friend, so they know who was texted them)?

      The latest craze is "Video Tones" - i.e., when you get a phone call, whilst it is ringing (in your pocket/purse) it will play a video. You can have one per address book contact. WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT? It is yet another mechanism to part THICK people from their money, to prevent them becoming rich and dangerous.

  60. Who? by bloodstains · · Score: 1

    Am I blind? No DC affiliate? I know DC is a small city, but I always assumed the metro area was apretty big market.

    1. Re:Who? by HBergeron · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      We have very few radio stations, comparitively.

      My new car has twelve fm presets. After I set the THREE NPR (well two npr and one that just plays cspan) stations, the one sorta modern fock station (the alt station is gone) the classical station, the 3 other stations that play some kind of rock or oldies, and the talk station (home of don and mike and the junkies, (and formerly howard stern)) I have nothing to tune to those other presets. Literally nothing - there is a hip hop station, a latin station and a christian rock station - it is a vast radio wasteland.

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  61. Why pay more for music? by east+coast · · Score: 1

    My guess is that most people (like me) find more re-use value in music over video. Music allows our eyes to be freed up to do other things like read, play video games or drive while video is a format that the user must dedicate themselves to in full... Except for those kinda video in which the user has hand actions going on during *nudge nudge* *wink wink*.

    Not only that but I'm much more prone to enjoy music even if I've heard it a couple of dozen times, with video it has less much less value after a few plays.

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  62. VHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NTSC VHS is 352x240. NTSC TVs are 640x480. That's why a DVD (720x*) looks better than a VHS tape.

    1. Re:VHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's max resolution. what's broadcast and what comes in via cable is much lower.

    2. Re:VHS by kabz · · Score: 1

      Actually, DishNetwork satellite probably comes in about 240x120. It completely sucks ass, what with jpeg artifacts, lousy color etc.

      My ComCast SD cable completely kicks its ass. It's barely different from DVD on a SD TV.

      Try watching all the detail in the grass blur out on satellite sometime.

      ITMS video comes somewhere in the middle. Better than satellite but not as good as really good cable on a SD TV.

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  63. Two words: by millennial · · Score: 1, Funny

    Holy shit.

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  64. Re:Now lets get some real videos by Randall311 · · Score: 1

    Naw I disagree. I'd like to think that the MPAA has more sense in it then the money-grubbing RIAA. For example the MPAA had to learn to deal with VCR's, and they did. Meanwhile the RIAA was having a heart attack over casette-tapes. Fsck the RIAA!!

  65. Re:Some people have way too much $$$ to waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    your retarded

    And you don't know how to spell "you're", but who's counting?

  66. value of video vs. music by 2008 · · Score: 1

    Yes, but how many of those times are you focused on the music? I'm generally doing something else like reading or playing a game when I'm listening to music, it's rare that I'll turn the lights off and give an album my full attention. I'd say that I'll watch a DVD and listen to a CD twice when I buy them, after that neither will get much attention although the CD will provide background music now and again (and as such is entirely replaceable). They provide similar amounts of entertainment to me, so they should cost about the same.

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  67. Re:Some people have way too much $$$ to waste... by tomatosan · · Score: 1

    I agree with you. At 1.99 I get a low quality version of the episode. I can buy a season cd for less

  68. ESPN + iPod = Pregame goodness by AlysseumWarrior · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ESPN - Sports - Sports highlights podcast - ESPN Classic - Greatest Sports moments ever. ESPN - "Pregame on your iPod!" - download sports highlighs from both teams, exclusive interviews, only 5$ a week - get it now, ONLY on your iPod!! Anyone else see a whole world of ideas?

  69. Re:Some people have way too much $$$ to waste... by zoomzit · · Score: 1

    I don't think you appreciate how iTunes video will most likely change consumer spending habits. Take for instance regular music iTunes. For me, and most of the people I know, iTunes has spawned the rebirth of the single. Before, if you thought a radio song was good enough, you'd have to splurg on the entire ablum hoping the the rest of the songs were decent. Now with iTunes, you can admit that these bands are one hit wonders, pay for the one song and save a bunch of cash. I think many people are like me in the sense that if there is a full CD worth buying, I'll go out and buy the non-DRMed copy rather than buying it on iTunes. iTunes has changed how we view and spend on our music content. Likewise with video content. If there really is an entire season of a T.V. show worth buying, people will almost certainly buy the DVD set. But, if you just want to catch an episode or so of a show that you aren't sure that you will like, or if you missed the last cliff-hanger on Lost, you can buy just an episode, instead of ponying up for the Box set. Here's an analogy that most every slashdotter will understand. If ("and this is a really big IF, mind you"). iTunes put all of the Simpsons episodes up for sale, I personally would go out and buy seasons 4-9 (the "golden years" in my opinion) on DVD, and then cherry pick my favorite episodes of the remaining seasons of iTunes. The other seasons have shows that I like, but I don't know if I really want to buy all of season 12 because that was a bit of a low point in the series history. With the birth of Video iTunes, my perception and options regarding video has fundamentally shifted.

  70. Re:Some people have way too much $$$ to waste... by noewun · · Score: 1
    I'm let down that so many people have paid $1.99 for horribly DRM crippled low res content that just a short while ago, was free. (Pixar shorts and music vids)

    Please explain how both of the copyright-protected works were "free" a short while ago. Was there a download link on Pixar's website from which one could download For The Birds for free? Did the major music labels offer their music videos free of charge?

    Seriously - I find your comment baffling and bordering on trolling.

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  71. ringtones by crimethinker · · Score: 5, Funny
    I just can't imagine what satisfaction one gets from buying a ring tone.

    Same here. I thought you were supposed to be embarassed that your phone went off in a public place and disturbed everyone else. Hello? Vibrate feature? But no, every 12-yr-old hip-hopster gangsta-rapper wannabe just HAS to have his phone blast out the latest crap from M. C. Pee Pants whenever one of his "bitches" calls him.

    Here's a tip: if I hear your phone sing (I use the term loosely) "pick up da phone, got some money comin' in" one more time, I'm going to introduce your phone to Mr. Sledgehammer. And then maybe your head, too. I figure I should get a medal for preventing all the crimes you were going to commit in the coming years.

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    1. Re:ringtones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      you think thats bad?
      how about those stupid nextel phones

      you are trying to eat your food in a semi decent restaurant, and all of the sudden you hear that annoying fucking sound and some stupid teenage girl yelling out "WHATS UP GIRLFRIEEEEEEEEEEEND!"

      when that happens i get a sudden urge to get up off my chair, walk up to her, unzip my pants, and then stick my cock so far down her throat that she'll never be able to speak again. wtf.

    2. Re:ringtones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I live in the UK and it's impossible to watch any music channel (if there's any point watching anyway) without seeing adverts for the latest offering from the Crazy Frog. It's the single most annoying ringtone in the whole entire world and IMO, Mr Thermo-nuke would be more suited than Mr Sledgehammer.

      Ding ding ding ding bah bah bah... need I say more?

    3. Re:ringtones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Violence, intolerance and racial stereotyping in one post. Thats quite an achievement!

  72. i wonder if Apple is surprised..... by johnpaul191 · · Score: 1

    within a week of the iPod video release Steve Jobs was still saying there is not really a mass market for this thing yet. i guess he was talking more specifically of the ability to watch videos on the iPod (as opposed to an actual computer). from what i remember reading he said it was not unlike the iPod Photo in the sense that the full sized iPod has the ability to play video, but you do not have to use it. it is not like they have a choice of video enabled iPods and monochrome ones. the new iPods are priced inline with their predecessors, so what's to lose? it seems like Apple knows this is going to be something standard down the line(in some form), and their technology allowed them to roll it out now (in some smaller form), so why not?

    i guess the questions is how the sales keep going and if people actually watch the content on the iPod itself, or on their computer, or use the iPod's AV cables to send it to a TV. if it keeps up for a little while i am sure there will be more content. new stuff, as well as old stuff that was not deemed worthy of DVD collections. for a prime example look how Motown opened up the vaults of old songs that have been out of print since they stopped pressing them on 7inch vinyl. a lot of their long lost content is now on iTMS. it took less investment for them to do that than figure out how to make CD sets, and the fans get to pick and choose what they want. everyone wins. i don't see how this will be any different.

  73. Re:Some people have way too much $$$ to waste... by tomatosan · · Score: 1

    oops meant season DVD for less (say season four of alias for 38.99 walmart 22 episodes better quality)

  74. 2.5"? eew. by kuzb · · Score: 1

    So, let me get this right. You're paying this money to watch something on a 2.5" screen? Could that possibly suck any more? Oh, yes, I suppose it could have if they added that functionality to the ipod nano with it's 1.5" screen. If you want something portable that plays videos, you may as well get a PSP. Sure, it doesn't have the storage space than an ipod does, but it costs half as much than an ipod, and the screen is *much* larger (4.3" 16:9 widescreen). Not to mention, players have now been hacked in to the PSP to handle more video formats than just the native MP4 support.

    I'm sorry, but the ipod is such a lousy platform for video, and the fact that so many people bought in to it is just proof that Jobs is really good at convincing people that they need things when they really don't. The scary part is, those people are going to come back thinking they got a good deal.

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  75. Re:Some people have way too much $$$ to waste... by EddieBurkett · · Score: 1
    I'm a Lost fan, but I missed last week's episode because I moved and my Tivo was offline. How do I catch-up?

    Lucky for you: last week was a rerun. So is this week. Next week is the next new ep.

    On a sidenote, can you take generic mpegs and play them on your iPod, or does it have to be stuff only purchased through the iPod store? I have some anime fansubs I'd like to watch, but on my tv and not my computer. Assuming they are in the right format, would it be possible to import them to a video iPod and play them from there?

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  76. Not your average slashdot nerd by Chowser · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think that most people who are surprised by this success aren't realizing that the majority of the population are not the slashdot nerd type. People want EASY downloads, sync and play with no hassles. They don't want Bittorrent downloads that they have to burn on to a memory stick and alter the video codec to perform on an incompatible processor. Sure, that's a made-up scenario but the point is that what most of you find easy to do on your computer is incomprehensible to the majority.

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  77. Re:Some people have way too much $$$ to waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So our you.

  78. Re:Some people have way too much $$$ to waste... by Hrothgar+The+Great · · Score: 1

    You can, but you have to use a specific video codec (H.264) and it has to be a particular resolution. Quicktime PRO already has a converter, from what I hear, and I'm sure other software with that feature is also out there or will be soon.

  79. Why pay more for music? by HerculesMO · · Score: 1

    Because you're stupid.

    I am hard pressed to understand that a CD can cost me $20, but a movie that took $100 million to make can cost me $15.

    That's why I just signed up for the Yahoo Music store, get unlimited downloads and don't think about it. And now with the modification I've done on my car to play my MP3 player thru the existing system, I don't even NEED to buy the $.79 or $.99 tracks.

    If I was going to pay $.99 for a track, I'd buy the entire CD so I could have the physical disc in my hands along with album art etc. Though admittedly, I was severely pissed when the new Nine Inch Nails came without any lyrics inside the disc jacket!

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  80. The Rational Economic Man by the0ther · · Score: 1

    Is clearly not who makes up Apple's customer base. I think this is happening because Apple's customer base consists of a bunch of elitists with money to blow. Yes, this is flamebait. Mod me up!

  81. Because you can't rip DVDs by a+gash · · Score: 1

    This is purely a result of iTune's video features being severely crippled. You can't rip your DVDs, nor can you import video in other formats. The only way a person can easily watch videos on their new video iPod is download them from the iTunes store, hence the high sales figures. If you want to put your own content on it, you have to either rip/download it, then decompress it to a huge raw file, then re-encode it to H.264, a process that takes hours on my dual 2.7 ghz G5. Obviously we will never see DVD ripping, and probably not xvid/divx importing either. I could live with buying all of my video media from ITMS if it was in High Def, or even DVD res. I downloaded an episode of Lost, and the quality was terrible when watched at full screen. In addition, this whole distribution channel is in severe need of a video enabled airport express. I just hope they eventually get it right.

    1. Re:Because you can't rip DVDs by mh101 · · Score: 1

      Of course Apple's not going to build DVD ripping into iTunes. That would get them into a huge amount of legal trouble. You can still do it yourself, though, using third-party applications such as Handbrake that can rip the video from the DVD and encode it in h.264 for you.

      For converting existing videos to a compatible format, Apple does provide that functionality in Quicktime Pro, but that costs $30 USD. I'm sure a google search will bring up many free video converters.

      You also might be interested in reading the guide to creating video for iPods at Ars Technica.

      I agree totally with regards to the video Airport Express. I'm guessing they're just going to wait a little to let the video thing expand a little more, then Steve will announce this at a future Apple event. Wireless video out + Front Row + Mac Mini would be an awesome move for Apple.

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  82. It's a very good deal by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

    for Apple =)

    I had never seen Lost, although certain friends had been raving about it. (I cancelled my cable last winter because I just don't watch TV.)

    So I download the Pilot, which is sold as two episodes. $4.98. I figure if I really like it, I'll borrow the season 1 DVD from one of the aforementioned friends. The problem is that I found the pilot episode so compelling, that I couldn't wait, and downloaded another episode. And another.

    That's 25 episodes (remember, the pilot is being sold in two parts) at $1.99 a crack. Of course, if I had had the foresight, I could have purchased and downloaded the entire first season for $35 bucks, instead of paying almost $50 piecemeal. And of course, buying the DVD would have been smartest of all, if I could have foreseen just how hooked I would be.

    I also bought an episode of The Nightstalker, but that didn't trigger any addictive behavior.

    OK, so now I'm up to date with Lost, having spent another $10 on the second season shows (5 on iTMS so far). Yes, I am jonesing for the next episode to be released online. And I'll probably end up buying the DVD anyway, I've become such a Lost addict.

    So, yeah, this is a very good deal. For Apple. And for Disney especially (if I buy the DVD, they'll have gotten my money twice!).

    By the way, you hear many people complaining about the "crappy resolution", but I don't think any of them have actually seen this video. It looks great on my 22" Cinema Display or full screen on my Titanium PB. Too bad it's not widescreen (like the DVD is. Doh!)

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  83. It's more than zero by jfengel · · Score: 1

    The intial question was, will they sell any at all? Oh, sure it was always guaranteed to be more than zero, but there are plenty of people who would have doubted that they'd sell more than a few thousand at that price given the restrictions (low resolution, DRM)

    Check around this thread on Slashdot and you'll see plenty of people declaring that they'd never buy it. So selling a million isn't a significant contribution to Apple's revenue, but it is a significant proof of the concept. With that they may be able to expand the availability (more TV shows, shorts, perhaps even movies) and that could be a really big deal.

    How big? Local TV affiliates are already speaking up, and satellite and cable providers are getting nervous. We're talking serious change in the way entertainment is distributed.

    So yeah, a million isn't much on its own, but it could be very, very important as an indicator of what could happen in the future.

  84. Re:2.5"? eew. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PSP: No video out.
    iPod: Video out.

    That's it in a nutshell for me.

  85. Re:It's a show horse - Free videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is quite a bit of interesting free content if you look around. This guy has done a piece on a Fire Festival out of Japan. http://feeds.feedburner.com/kyotopodcastvideo

  86. Music Videos... by argent · · Score: 1

    So what does this mean? Who knows, but it seems as if the videos are really damn popular.

    I know one reason... everyone who was viewing the free music videos off the iTMS suddenly had to pony up some money to keep watching.

  87. I want to KILL AOL/TW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    for not capitilizating their assets. Open (the latest version of) Winamp. Open Open Media Library, click on "Winamp Video". You see 10000+ VCR quality music videos (1750 artists, top names). The same thing that APPLE is sucessfully selling at $2 a pop, AOL/TW has been giving away on Winamp for 5 years, except that Apple has a fraction of the # of videos.

    If AOL/TW bothered to figure out how to make money, they would (at least) team with Apple to SELL this content (currently, they're only making a token effort to make money by showing an ad before playing videos..which is annoying and ineffective). If they were very wise, they'd turn around an Itunes like client and partner with Microsoft, Sony and other Apple competitors and CRUSH them.

    I can't stand stupidity.
    [rant done]

  88. Re:Some people have way too much $$$ to waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well half right... Previews of the shorts seem to have been available on the Pixar site...(thankyou wayback) I think they made a big deal out of it when QuickTime 5 came out? Selective memory as far as it being previews vs the entire short?

    Now music videos had been free via iTMS for a while... shrug...

    Still... I agree with the thought process... For $1.99 you should be allowed to burn (at least once) to DVD, higher res than what is currently available.. Acting like they said they wanted 1080 HDTV is asinine and you know it... Just said high enough res to look decent when burned to DVD... There's plenty of h264 content out (video podcasts like TWiT and systm come to mind) that run 640x480 and look great when burned to DVD... File sizes aren't much higher than the videos Apple is selling right now. Get a grip.

    People willing to pay $1.99 for what Apple is currently selling are letting the rest of us down. Feel high and mighty if you want, talking about bandwidth and such, but the bottom line is that what they are selling is overpriced, or too low res, too restrictive DRM and will only assist in the mega-corps whittling our rights down even further...

    I don't think anyone is expecting DRM-free ... but what is being sold right now is pure BS.

  89. Bad math... by shmlco · · Score: 1

    The first season of Lost is available as a set on iTMS for $34.99, not $47.76. Second season episodes are available the next day after the air date. How long will you have to wait for the second season DVD?

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  90. Re:2.5"? eew. by solive1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sure, it doesn't have the storage space than an ipod does, but it costs half as much than an ipod, and the screen is *much* larger (4.3" 16:9 widescreen).

    Half as much? The 30GB video iPod is $300, and the PSP is $250. How is that half?

    The 60GB video iPod is $400. PSP is still $250. Again, not half.

    Add a 1GB card for the PSP for approximately $100, and the PSP is more expensive than the 30 GB iPod and has 1/30 of the storage capacity. All of that for a bigger screen? Oh but you can buy the UMDs for $20 - 40. That's cost-effective.

    I have a PSP, but I have it for games (which aren't much to talk about either, but I may get the GTA soon).

  91. Re:Because... [ot] by dotwaffle · · Score: 1

    Slightly off-topic - the Daily Show.

    "More4" - the new UK Channel 4 channel has started airing the Daily Show in the UK, but I can't watch it. Why? The Comedy Central logo hasn't been removed, just blurred out, and it looks like it's just an NTSC rip-off, as opposed to being re-synced from the masters (I think it goes out in the US on HDTV?)

    Whilst I really enjoy the daily show, I can't watch it like that - it pains me to see the faded colours and the blurryness everywhere all the time, so I actually watch it streamed from the US from a friends HDTV box.

    That's pretty sad - PAL viewers really do get the short straw with US TV, it's awful. Just because we have superior broadcast facilities :(

    If Apple actually started offering TV shows for download (free with ads, 50p without etc) I may actually use iTunes. In fact, if they started offering lossless (FLAC et al) downloads, I might even use their audio services.

    But at the moment, I can't see a reason to use iTunes' service - I pay the same as buying the music on CD and get a worse product in the end.

    I know it's not Apple's fault, but if Apple don't swing their weight behind downloading soon - it's going to set an awful precedent :(

  92. Paying more for music than video by SeanDuggan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Personally, I will listen to a piece of music more times than I would re-watch a video clip. For one, music can be done as a background activity; videos require you to focus on them. Secondly, a video tends to be the same everytime you see it whereas music will evoke new images each time you hear it (even more with psychedelic drugs...).

    So overall, I would say that it is for what music lacks that makes me see it as more valuable.

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  93. Point 3 is wrong by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I bought the first episodes of Lost to determine if I really wanted the DVD set (never having seen Lost apart from an episode somewhere in the middle that didn't really grab me). I do have an iPod but it's the first 5gb model with no video support at all (not that I care, having no desire to watch video on an iPod).

    There's a lot of people around willing to buy video without an iPod. I doubt video purchases for iPods are even the majority of cases.

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  94. & the tools to deliver? by itomato · · Score: 1
    Here comes iTV (Simplified iMovie) with direct to iPod or direct upload to [iTV] or [podcast] guide.com bundled with the new iSight (video cam & mic on a wand like Bob Barker)

    If every concerned citizen with these tools running on their sub-thousand-dollar notebook were to arm himself with a D.I.Y. 'Press' card, a new era of Gonzo Journalism could be ushered in -

    Just when we need it most.

    Apple's content-enabling tools, content availability in the field (from Google: videos, blogs, gmail) in these times should let us break out of a dark age.

    Will it?

  95. tech demo by honold · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i think it's pretty obvious that most people who bought a video ipod are going to buy 1 video just to check it out. i know a guy that has bought every generation of ipod as soon as they were released (normal, mini, nano, video). he's never bought a song on itunes, but he did buy some pixar video just to see how the process worked.

    if you threw out one video purchase for every one video ipod customer, i think the numbers might be a lot different. weren't a million nanos sold in a few weeks?

    1. Re:tech demo by Matthias+Wiesmann · · Score: 1

      I suspect this behaviour is typical of people who dismantle things to see how they work, but not of the general population. I know quite a few people who have iPods, but only bought music at the Apple store after many months of using their iPod, if ever. In general, the pattern I saw, is that people waited for one perso to try the iTunes store, only afterwards buy some music. I also think that the iPod nano cannot play video, so I doubt people who bought them would be specially interested in buying videos.

    2. Re:tech demo by gerardrj · · Score: 1

      Except that the Nano can't play video. The iPod video units are just starting to trickle in to the stores so most people purchasing videos can't yet have an iPod that will play video.

      If Apple has actually gotten even 50,000 iPods out in to customer hands already, I'd be surprised.

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    3. Re:tech demo by honold · · Score: 1

      look, i know that the nano doesn't play video. what i was suggesting was that, while i haven't seen any sales reports of the ipod video, the nano sold smashingly. that means that perhaps the ipod video has sold smashingly, and that the 'virgin video download' factor could be a decent chunk of the 1 million figure.

  96. Videos at Reunion by Boawk · · Score: 1

    I graduated in 1984, so my high-school days saw the birth of MTV. In 2009, I envision a 25-year high-school reunion with songs from that era playing with the corresponding videos showing on a large screen. The video iPod makes this vision plausible.

    If it were offered on iTMS today, I would purchase such video delights as "Love is a Battlefield" by Pat Benatar. Certainly campy by today's standards, but the $2 is well worth it for the nostalgia appeal.

  97. A-ha, "Take On me" by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 1

    one of the best and innovative videos every made, relatively speaking for its time, especially considering ones budget back in 1985. heck i would say one of the best videos every made, along with peter gabriel, genesis and Dire Straits "money for nothing" video..

  98. box offices...duh by roguenine2000 · · Score: 1

    Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video?

    Because most movies have already made back the cost of production at the box offices. Even shitty movies make at least 10 million at the box office. Then the DVD profit is just adding to this already big total.

    For music, on the other hand, this is not the case. The CD is the only source of income.

  99. Yes and guess who bought 3/4 of them? by ninja_assault_kitten · · Score: 1

    Pixar!

  100. That's why by Wumpus · · Score: 1

    "Why am I willing to pay more for music than I would for video?"

    Because music is the best.

  101. iTMS vs DVDs vs DVD-Rips by Phil+Urich · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But equally importantly, buying things on dvd requires me to either physically travel to a store just to do so, or to order it and wait days or weeks for it to be delivered....I then have to putz around with physical discs....So I have to dig out the box of dvds, open up the ginormous packaging, pull out the booklet in the back, and look through it to figure out which disc that's on, then put that in, and remember to take it out and put it away later....



    All very true. However, the same reasons are why I simply downloaded all of Buffy . . . and proper dvd-rips result in far better quality than the ones that iTMS offers, and then I have all the extras and commentary tracks . . . but you're right, DVDs are inconvenient. Which is why I still have DVD rips of the shows I actually own on DVD (whether I downloaded them before, or made them myself afterwards).

    I'll add some things to the list of inconveniences of DVDs: load times and random pauses/silences when I'd rather things just be playing already (once you go through the motions of popping in the DVD, you have to wait while the menu loads, then go to the episode in question, then click "play" or etc depending exactly on the DVD), and stuff like having to start an episode/movie over again most of the time if you want to switch to the commentary track.

    But there you have it: some sort of completely on-computer (should I just say PC? Apple'll be Intel soon anyways, will we get to simplify things then?) version works better for accessing than the rather clumsy setup of DVDs, but with the iTMS versions you don't get all the extras and you don't get the quality. Personally, since it's usually all the extras on the DVDs that push me over the edge into buying them (I've usually seen the TV show or movie before already), I would never bother buying the costs-as-much-or-more-but-is-stripped-down iTMS versions, but at the same time I would probably buy many more DVDs if it was less of a pain to rip them to my computer for easy access (it's a price one has to pay to be able to do something like, say, queue up a slew of episodes at once, but still, it's annoying that companies are so gung-ho on restricting what legitimate customers can do with their purchases... yeah, I understand the fear of piracy, but it doesn't hamper pirates much at all, there's always someone out there willing to take the time and effort to copy them (and no protections have worked forever yet, nor ever really will) and then they just spread everywhere from there to anyone feeling like downloading them, the customer is inconvenienced far out of proportion with any actual piracy-prevention).

    Don't get me wrong, there are certainly some big advantages (as you note, good parent, you can get the shows the day after it airs, and can download them quickly without ever leaving home), but in the name of convenience it does leave some things behind, some of the things that are big selling points for DVDs (extras, quality, etc).

    I won't bother going into any "actually having packaging" arguments, since that's all personal preference (and I don't always buy into it anyways), but it IS nice having copies that aren't on your computer already, I should point out . . . even with 600GBs, I certainly don't have unlimited space here on my computer, and it's nice to be able to just store away high-quality copies somewhere else if you're not going to be watching it for awhile or something.

    So I guess my arguments can be summed up with the following: iTMS vids miss out on some things, DVDs are inconvenient, it would be better if there was legal ways to download something more akin to scene retail rips and/or copy legitimately owned DVDs without the disks acting as if you're a criminal every step of the way. But towards getting to this (probably somewhat naive, definitely idealistic) state of media, yeah, I'll give you that iTMS videos are a good step in the right direction. They're just not for me, at least not yet.

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    1. Re:iTMS vs DVDs vs DVD-Rips by klui · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem w/ downloading DVDs or rips is that you're at the mercy of those who ripped or reencoded the content. Most people just keep the show and leave everything else out. Which would mean you need to spend time to look for the right version. Much more convenient in this case to buy the DVDs yourself if you (like me) enjoy the extras besides the main feature.

  102. Independant and irrelvent to the iPod by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The number of videos sold as very little connection to the number of ipods with video support sold. You presume to try and understand the percentage of video buyers who care to have that video on an iPod...

    I bought a few Lost episodes and do not have an iPod with video support. I think there are a LOT of other people like that with pent-up demand for onlne video purchases. It woud be really interesting to see the breakdown between shows, to see if it was a flood of people wanting Pixar shorts, a wandering crowd Lost fanatics, or a flock of "That's so Raven" fanatics (hard to imagine, but who knows?)

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  103. Disappointed in people that don't like choice. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    So in your world, how come I can only either buy a whole DVD set for almost $40, instead of getting one episode for $1.99 to see if I like it? Or one episode because that's the only one I like?

    In your world, I have to be beholden to the vagaries of TV schedules and the quality of my recording devices instead of simply downloading an episode sometime after it airs.

    Why would I want to live in the old world when the new one is so much more convieninet and cheaper for me?

    It's obvious you have not downloaded any of the video which is of higher quality than a lot of overly-compressed satellie channels offer.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  104. Depends on what the TiVO is hooked to by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I have analog cable and think the quality is a fine replacement for even the best recording over said connection. I used to have Dish and to me some of the shows on less important channels used to have compression which would yield the same level of quality...

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  105. Re:Some people have way too much $$$ to waste... by DougJohnson · · Score: 1

    Yes, yes you can. I've had a lot of success with MPEG video conversion to MP4 (mpeg 4, simple profile) using Videora. It's a free tool, it's very quick, and it's got preset options for exporting to video Ipod format.

  106. Answer the important question! by RingDev · · Score: 1

    Are you going to buy the Lost DVD or not?

    -Rick

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  107. That's what the radio people said by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You make the same mistake everyone does in tying the sucess of video on ITMS to the video capabile iPod. They really have little relation as anyone can buy and enjoy a video from a store without having a video-enabled iPod.

    So ignore the history of portable video devices, and instead start thinking of what is really improtant here - not the iPod with video at all, that's just a footnote to backdooring real on-demand TV by a major player. If enough shows are offered, and you only watch a few shows here and there... why even have a cable subscription at all? That's what is going on here.

    Even Apple doesn't make a big deal about video support on the iPods, noting that they added it to see what happens. Personally I could care not a whit for video support in a portable device but I am interested in online video and have bought a few things there already.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  108. People, pay attention! Story not about iPod by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So many questions about why people would want to play video on a tiny screen. Why would they? I have no idea because I bought the video to play on either my computer monitor or TV! People who think the rapid sales in video are bolstered entirely by the new iPod are out to lunch and not putting on the long-term thinking caps.

    Vidoe capabile iPods are a non-story and a gimmick. The foot in the door to FINALLY buy TV on a per-episode basis is the topic at hand, and a far more interesting discussion.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  109. Not much bang for the buck. by Post · · Score: 1
    I would DEFINATELY download TV episodes and movies for $1.99 ANYDAY over music tracks for $.99


    And that's why?

    I have a huge music collection, but it's a few beloved tracks - some from CDs, some from the net - that I keep playing over and over. WinAmp Statistics say that some of these tracks were played 40 - 50 times. So I get a lot of bang for my buck.

    (And that's only on my desktop PC. Add a similar number for my MP3 player.)

    The great thing about music is you can listen to it while doing something else. Try the same thing with video.

    Honestly - how often would you watch an episode of "Friends" or another video? Two times? Maybe four? I don't think so.

    (Admittedly, there are movies that I could watch over and over, like Blade Runner or Fight Club. But in that case, I'll gladly fork over the money for a real DVD.)

  110. There is no chair big enough for Balmer to throw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love the fact that Microsoft missed out on this one.

  111. Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These shows are all available for FREE
    over the air.

    If the season was 20 shows, you'd pay $40 for videos that:

    a) Are in poor quality. At best.
    b) you can't loan it to your friends because
          1) the license doesn't allow it
          2) even if it did, the protection doesn't let it
    c) can't be sold when you get tired of them
    d) can't be changed into other formats to watch on your PC/Mac in anything close to regular video

    The solution, of course is:
    a) Buy the DVD
    b) capture it from the air; $30 TV tuners for PC's do that these days
    c) download it off the internet

    [Its hardly "stealing" as you folks put it, when the people who make the video give it away for free themselves over broadcast air.]

    Hey, be trendy, be cool. Pay $2/episode when the original was free. But please PLEASE don't brag about it.

  112. Re:Dirty Filthy freek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -1, Troll?

    I must be severely demented, because if I had mod points that'd be +1, Funny (as Hell)

  113. Or the reason for the sales number could be... by eyebits · · Score: 1

    ... that some percentage of the iTunes using community wanted to see what one of these videos looked like and spent a couple of bucks to see. Initial sales numbers may not be indicative. I bought one video just to see what it was like. I don't plan to buy any more of them.

  114. CommonFlix has a page of videos for your iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CommonFlix iPod Video Downloads Most are free right now, some cost 99 cents and up including a feature length documentary at $19.99. RSS feed

  115. Yeah, me too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to hate Lost when I watched it on the TV, cause it waa free and i had better stuff to do, like tell my friends how much I used to get pissed and vomit when we had exams and whatever.

    But now that Stevie Jobs is selling it two bucks a go, it's just become a Have To. I mean, *everyone*'s watching Lost on their VideoPods, if your pod doesn't do video, well, dude, I mean, dump the mother and get yourself some real machinery.

    It looks so cool on my 32" Sony Powerscreen too, and I can't tell that it's all pixelated and rough and stuff, cause after staring at my Videopod screen for like hours, my eyes get so red and sore I can't even tell my girlfriend Sarah from the dog.

    Videopod is cool, and if you don't think so, you're a douch bag. And this is not astroturfing, it's as real as it gets. All my friends say so.

  116. Re:2.5"? eew. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have an idea, why don't you load your post up with some more *cough*cough* free iPod/Mac Mini SCAM links?

  117. Firmly in cheek. Firmly. by heinousjay · · Score: 1

    But slashdot taught me that capitalism was always wrong. People should make movies and music for the joy of making them, with no expectation of compensation beyond what I (or some other duly self-appointed minister) think they should make.

    --
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  118. Because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...some shmuck will buy it. All they do is figure out the optimum profit achieved by a given price. If lower the cost 10 cents will sell enough copies to make more money they'll reduce it. If they can sell it for twice as much without losin a sale, they'll do it. Apple realizes that popularizing the concept of downloadable TV/movies is far more valuable to them than the money they make on the content itself. So the price is low.

    The success of video sales through ITunes seems a little unexpected to me as somebody who has said that portable video is not viable yet. But then I realize why ITunes is still having success with it. I downloaded an episode of Lost. I've never owned a video ipod nor do I intend to soon. But I can watch it on my computer so that's fine. I can hook my computer up to my TV, so I'm good to go for downloading what I want and watching it. For 99 cents an episode, that's under $25 for an average season of a TV show. I spend $80/month for cable. I can buy a lot of TV shows for that price.

    I would be thrilled to drop my cable service and only download exactly what I want to watch and this starts that. The benefits to me are huge. I can pick and choose exactly the shows I like. The concept of missing an episode goes away and if I hear good things about a show midway through season 3, I can go buy a couple episodes of the first season to see if I get into it. Then if I like it, I can buy the whole thing.

    I heard about Lost being a good series, so what did I do? I went and downloaded the entire first season off of bittorrent. Is this wrong? Maybe so. But now that I've done that and loved the first season, I'm a loyal fan of the show and watch every week. Though I fast forward through all the commericals.

    So, the content producers in the TV marketplace would be smart to get on board with this soon. In essence I get Lost for free. I don't watch the commercials and I downloaded the first season. They aren't making a dime off of me. On the other hand, if they made it available for download I wouldn't hesitate to shell out $25/year for it.

  119. So give us a song title... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    A little marketing here would not be unwelcome, as I'm always interested in hearing new music...

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:So give us a song title... by SlightlyOldGuy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, OK then...
      Her name's Cathi Walkup and she sings Jazz. Check out "Hang Up And Drive"

    2. Re:So give us a song title... by ScoLgo · · Score: 1

      Says you. Music is very subjective. I haven't listened to it yet, but your opinion matters very little to me.

      In short, you are an asshat. But then, that's just my opinion...

      --
      "Michael, I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing - and it was everything that I thought it could be."
    3. Re:So give us a song title... by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      She's fucking awful

      The recording sounds a lot better after you take your head out of your ass.

      --
      ~Idarubicin
  120. there's a distinction by SethJohnson · · Score: 1

    Funny thing is, they've fought against PVRs, and now most of them even offer one as part of the subscription.

    It is funny. Mostly because you've lumped seperate media entities into one collective 'they'. In fact, there is a diverse crowd of players in the world of PVR. The entities opposing PVRs generate their revenues through advertising. These are regular broadcast networks like NBC, ABC, etc.

    The companies offering PVRs generate revenue from subscriptions. These companies also make money from advertising, so your observation is correct, there is a conflict of interest at play.

    Seth

  121. Your Choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    24 Episodes of Lost (Season 1):

    Tiny crappy video files from Apple that you don't own for $47.76 ?

    -or-

    7-Disc DVD Box Set for $36.98 from Amazon ?

  122. Independents still struggling on iTMS by SPYvSPY · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My friend and I were denied just today when we applied for distribution through iTMS. No, we're not a major indie like Matador, but we're also not a bunch of yahoos making records in the garage. I'm not complaining, but self-publishing through iTMS is still not easy enough. Having said that, people in my situation can probably use CDBaby to get onto iTMS, which is exactly what Apple's rejection note said.

    1. Re:Independents still struggling on iTMS by SlightlyOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Yup. CDBaby is who she went through. I think Apple relies on them to ensure there are no copyright encumberances on music that gets submitted.

  123. Yes, and... by SPYvSPY · · Score: 1

    ...I'm betting that the hacked versions of Front Row on bittorrent will work on your machine, too. ;)

  124. Talented Musicans are UGLY by queenb**ch · · Score: 2, Funny

    Frankly, most of the talented musicians are well...ugly. As one wit put it, rock and roll was created so that ugly guys could get laid. Given the postulation that talented musicians are ugly, why would I pay extra to get the video to go with the sound?

    2 cents,

    Queen B

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    1. Re:Talented Musicans are UGLY by klui · · Score: 1

      'cuz most of the ones with talent would put pretty women in the videos and not themselves... only if they realize they're ugly.

  125. Bum fights!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The top download is currently 'Bum Fights Vol 2.mpg'... Who woulda guessed!

  126. Looks good on TV? by SPYvSPY · · Score: 2, Informative

    It probably is passable on an SDTV, but it looks absolutely awful on my 42" HD plasma. I know, I know--duh! But, seriously, iPod video is very close to unwatchable on a nice TV.

  127. The stats say nothing yet by PietjeJantje · · Score: 1

    They stats say nothing except the unit sell well. I expect a direct correllation between the number of units sold, and the number of videos sold online. After all, when you buy one, you are gonna check out the possibilities. Also, you want to show off the thing running video. Therefore, it's not these first numbers that are interesting, except as a start of a trend. But will the people keep watching after they checked out the first videos they bought? I'm not convinced, the screen is too small to get an immersing experience and I'm not sure people want to keep paying for that.

  128. Don't hold anything back... by stam66 · · Score: 1
    Here's a tip: if I hear your phone sing (I use the term loosely) "pick up da phone, got some money comin' in" one more time, I'm going to introduce your phone to Mr. Sledgehammer. And then maybe your head, too. I figure I should get a medal for preventing all the crimes you were going to commit in the coming years.

    No, but tell us how you really feel!

  129. Re:Now lets get some real videos by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

    I'm still waiting for Twin Peaks. At the moment, I think the only option is to import it from the UK.

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  131. Nothing new here - move along... by TheRealStyro · · Score: 1

    'People want see tv shows & videos on their PCs, and are willing to pay for the ability' is a premise that didn't really need testing. Just look at the shows, movies and videos on P2P and usenet as a good indicator that people want these content available on demand on their PC.

    IMHO, I think the networks should be forced to provide the aired content for sale over the internet within one hour of the show being aired. The content should be available in two price tiers - with and without commercials. The content should be have DRM but also incorporate a 'managed copy' method. The content should be platform independant. The content should only be taken out of the download ability if a DVD type version is available (such as a series disc). And lastly, the content should be available in a version that looks reasonable on a SD/HD computer monitor (unlike iTune videos that look horrible on a computer monitor).

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  132. "Garage" video production studios by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

    Fans might even start to have their own tailored episodes or even whole series.

    Not to mention, getting signed with a big cable network is big business. But I have a hunch that in the future, getting on the iTunes video store will be as easy as "File>Publish on iTunes" - set the price, etc.

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  133. Top 15 iTtunes Videos sold... by dantheman82 · · Score: 3, Informative
    I've read that a number of people wanted to know the top sellers on iTunes. Well, here are the top 15:
    1. Music Video - Michael Jackson - Thriller
    2. TV Show - ...And Found - Lost
    3. Movie - For the Birds - Pixar
    4. Music Video - Fatboy Slim - Weapon of Choice
    5. TV Show - Man of Science, Man of Faith (Premiere) - Lost
    6. TV Show - They Asked Me Why I Believe in You - Desparate Housewives
    7. Music Video - Kanye West - Gold Digger
    8. Movie - Boundin' - Pixar
    9. Movie - Geri's Game - Pixar
    10. TV Show - Orientation - Lost
    11. TV Show - Everybody Hates Hugo - Lost
    12. TV Show - Adrift - Lost
    13. Music Video - Clint Eastwood - Gorillaz
    14. TV Show - Malum - Night Stalker
    15. Music Video - La Tortura - Shakira & Alejandro Sanz
    For those really interested, you can see the Top 100 Videos (requires iTunes).
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  134. Both are entertainment but ... by ashwinds · · Score: 1

    music is more relaxing than video .... maybe listening has less processing and memory requirements than watching a video - so the brain can relax a bit.... that maybe why you are willing to pay more for music. Also, music is not as boring when repeated as video (no I am talking about music videos only, there are some which are not boring even when repeated ;-) )

  135. White Knight by cgenman · · Score: 1

    it's in their best interest to beat down this new method of content distribution for TV.

    I wish media executives could see that iTunes is their white knight. Right now there is a company successfully convincing people to PAY for something they can not only download for free, but that they can get on the airwaves for free. That's an amazing accomplishment.

  136. Holy Hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If iTunes offered American TV shows like battlestar galactica the day after they aired here in Australia (and worldwide), I'd be all over it! At the moment, I just check the torrent sites the day after it airs :)

    But that assumes I know what show I'm after. iTMS could advertise new sci fi shows, and I could try them out before Australian TV stations have even thought of showing them here. Perhaps Firefly would still be around, because people could have bought them off iTunes IN THE CORRECT ORDER, and watched them at their leisure. Considering the cult following the show has, they probably would have sold heaps.

    There's also the other aspect. TV producers get multiple bites at the cherry here. People buy current episodes in order to watch them multiple times at their leisure. Then sometime later, the DVD for the season comes out, and people buy again (because it is better quality). This will be even more true when we get HD quality DVD's. Of course, this only holds true for high quality shows that people love. Not "When monkeys attack", or whatever the hell Fox shows these days...

  137. Bought every episode of LOST by Frobozz0 · · Score: 1

    I guess I'm a sucker.

    I bought every episode of LOST (seasons 1 and 2.) I save 17+ minutes of my life from commercials for $2 an episode. Assuming I could pare down my cable subscription this would be a great alternative for series like LOST. I'd never seen an episode until I downloaded off iTunes. I wish TiVo would get off their butt and do this instad of limping in like they have.

    I then hooked up my PowerBook to my SONY 50" HDTV and I was astonished at how good most of it looked. It looked as good as any other SDTV broadcast (pretty much the same definition) but the SVideo made the colors pop. Obviously I'd love HDTV versions, but this really is a great start.

    Some suggestions for Apple:

    • More shows. Music videos for $2 suck IMHO. An hour long episode sans-commercials doesn't suck so bad.
    • Discounts. I feel if you're comitting to N number of episodes you should get a little discount. Maybe 1 free episode for every 10?
    • Subscriptions. Very related to the second request but it makes purchase easier.
    This finally made IPTV make sense. It's just a good start that you know is only going to get better. Now if I could just put these on my PSP ...
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  138. Don't know yet... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I haven't watched the full episode yet so I'm still unsure...

    I really liked Firefly which was also reccomended to me - but I need to finish the whole episode before I make up my mind. I just have this backlog of video and not a lot of time...

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  139. See, now this is why we don't take you out anymore by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Well that comment sure was predictable. I myself thought the title track of Lining ina Daydream was pretty good and am going to buy that along with a few other songs.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  140. Thanks by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I bought a few tracks, hope you have a good spike in sales!

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  141. Feature Films by AppleFever · · Score: 1

    If I could download feature films in the theater I might trade in my 4G 20GB iPod for a new iPod with video.

  142. Re:2.5"? eew. by Superfarstucker · · Score: 1

    Way to make a strawman out of it, you did it like the pro's at apple. Personally I think the whole video on an obscenely small screen thing is pure nonsense.

    But if it is really something you want to do:
    PSP = $250.00
    1 GiB card = $100.00
    DeCSS or equivalent = free
    encoding softare = free to 50.00 (depending on format).

    Then rip all your movie collection to a format that looks good at the native resolution of the PSP. Granted this against the law (the whole copy protection circumvention part) but seriously who gives a fuck, no harm is likely to come from it. The media cartel's bad men aren't going to bust down your door and read you your rights because you didn't feel obligated to go buy 5 different versions of the same content in different packaging. I suppose the whole model breaks down if you are really that thirsty to watch something as soon as it is released on tv but I think there are other avenues that have negligible costs (aside from the 80.00 you pay every month for cable & pvr to the cartel) for such situations.

  143. Re:Europe ringtones - the business model by Vilse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How can the ringtone sellers afford this you say? And how come MTV is up for sending them over and over again? Pretty simple - the ringtone sellers does not have to pay *anything* to have the advert played on MTV - however, MTV gets a percentage of the sales done within a specific timespan after the advert is sent. So, the more people buy ringtones, the more MTV makes together with the ringtone seller... The ringtone adverts are basically fillers - have a 30 second slot to fill between shows? Shove in the adverts twice to fill the time! If they sent the advert twice in a row, they essentially increases the timepan in which they earn money from the ringtone sellers. Pretty funky, eh?

  144. Re:2.5"? eew. by peterb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Right, your insightful analysis correctly assumes that my time, just like yours, isn't worth anything.

    Oh, wait.

  145. I'm planning on releasing my short on ITunes. by balls199 · · Score: 1

    What do I have to lose? I'll get paid for the work I put into, which I can use in my next project. I may even still release it for free on the internet, and let the video IPod suckers^W users pay $1.99 for it.

    Anyways, the website for my short is http://genesoldiers.webforte.com/

    We're currently in post production and looking at releasing in December or January.

  146. CCR by miller701 · · Score: 1
    The real crime is to get work distributed you nearly have to give up all rights. The distributors demand all rights in a given market for such a long period of time you are in effect selling it outright. Whatever amount they are willing to pay is largely all you'll ever see. Musicians back in the 50s and 60s weren't allowed to keep any rights to their work especially the black ones. Some of those practises carried through into the 70s, remember Creedence Clear Water Revival?
    Or the manager suing because Fogarty's new music sounds too much like the old music. I heard that Fantasy records has some new people running the show, and they've kissed and made up.
  147. One Word: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pr0n!

  148. Re:2.5"? eew. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suppose if you consider it a burden to figure out a few simple things like which codec you will use one time. Sure, it takes an hour +- 30 min to rip a disc, but despite your inveterate beliefs, watching the computer doesn't make it do its work any faster. A lot of software has an auto shutdown feature after it finishes extracting. But, by your criteria we should never make our expensive machines do anything that requires more than a few seconds. Better stop downloading the Linux bins and driking the kool-aid if your time is so valuable. +1 genius.

  149. Two-Factor Auth For Active Directory by mpapet · · Score: 1

    I've got the solution for your Ask Slashdot submission regarding two-factor authentication for your Active Directory domain.

    The company I work for probably has what you are looking for. Not only does the client require a smart card/PIN to get on the domain, but we've greatly simplified the enroll, administration of all users from any PC in the domain (with proper token and priveledges) as well.

    The company I work for has a website at http://www.sci-s.com/ but the product isn't even up there yet.

    Please contact me at your earliest convenience.

    Michael
    213-743-9181 ext 231

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    http://www.maxineudall.com/2010/02/should-economists-be-sued-for-malpractice.html
  150. APPLE SELLS 1 MILLION VIDEOS IN 20 DAYS by fakir005 · · Score: 1

    Apple certainly is raking in money through the use of its ipod. This means that apple has given up on its apple Computer. It is using its Ipod to create revenues for it. But the apple name will soon be forgotten and iPod will stop creating the magic revenues for the Apple Company. So Apple should consider if it wants to be in the video business or in the Computer business. The people are helping Apple by lending their support by creating free items for ipod. Sooner or later they will begin asking what is in it for the people. Apple should pay attention to what is stated in http://www.newerawisp.blogspot.com/ this blog discusses the need for a new method of surfing the web that is serever oriented rather than client oriented. The hackers have proven that they will not let the web be successful unless the new method is developed. Apple should support the dcevelopment of this new method through the donation of a relatively small amount of capital as seed capital.

  151. Irritating ringtones by ApolloCreed · · Score: 2, Informative
    maybe 80-90% of the ads were from a couple of different companies hawking mind bogglingly irritating ringtones.

    Crazy Frog is the marketing title of a ring tone based on The Annoying Thing...

  152. OT (and pedantic) by David+Rolfe · · Score: 1

    To be both off-topic and pedantic:

    (should I just say PC? Apple'll be Intel soon anyways, will we get to simplify things then?)

    It should be noted that Apples were PCs before PCs were. Recall, IBM (the Great Evil of the time) co-opted the "personal computer" (the friendly name for micro-computers used by Apple and others) for their own brand. What's weird is after a couple years of writing PC and PC-XT and PC-Clone about every piece of Intel-Architecture software/hardware that we didn't all start calling them ATs when the IBM PC-AT came on the scene; Everyone just kept calling them (ambiguously) PCs. The AT is the most surviving architecture wise (today's IA32 has more in common with the AT ["Advanced Technology" 80286] than with the PC/XT).

    No point really... just interesting that the generic term became a brand (not unlike Windows) -- strange compared to other industries. Look how successful Le Car was for example :-p

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    1. Re:OT (and pedantic) by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1

      Heh. Point well taken (and I hadn't known some of those details, so thanks for the interesting info), and actually, maybe this will be a return to the original usage of the term. With all the personal computers being soon based vaguely on the same architecture, the term "PC" might again mean literally personal computer again. As it stands it often gets used as the equivalent of the Apple-user's derogetory "Wintel" term, which is another blurring of the lines since even under the restricted definition of PC, it could mean someone running something like Linux on a AMD system; no Windows or Intel need be involved.

      Ironic that moving away from the PowerPC architecture might bring Apple computers back under the PC umbrella term, yaknow?

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  153. Obl. Douglas Adams by Golias · · Score: 1

    We may as well just cancel civilisation, it's clearly a failed experiment.

    Some people insist that it was a mistake to come down from the trees in the first place.

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    Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

  154. Re:ringtones - your solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "when that happens i get a sudden urge to get up off my chair, walk up to her, unzip my pants, and then stick my cock so far down her throat that she'll never be able to speak again. wtf."

    That was hysterical and I would pay to see you do it.