Debian has had this forever. Gentoo does this and every other distro has either added this or is working on it.
Yeah, right. And they have what,.0000001% market? That's some dent they're making.
Right after they all agree on one text editor.
Users don't need more than one. Developers can download one. What's so freaking complicated about choosing a basic text editor?
Um, yeah. Not only might this be construed as a GPL violation, but you'll annoy a lot of people. You know, customers.
1. You obviously haven't read the GPL.
2. The target doesn't include people like you or other obnoxious, loudmouthed, know-it-all elitists. It's normal users.
Ah, I see. He's going to make a MacOSX clone for x86
Yeah, so what?
WTF is all this prattle about business, finance and VCs? You don't need any of that to run a distro. Debian, Knoppix, Gentoo, and myriad others have done just fine as community developed projects. If he wants to prove me wrong, shut up and do it.
You're the reason Linux is what it is. Those projects are nothing. They're small potatoes. Linux based OSes will only REALLY advance when they can attract commercial app developers, and they'll come when the investment is worth it. People who refuse to pay for software keep them away and they get subpar products because of it. If you're happy with Linux as is, fine. You don't have to use this OS. In fact, please don't.
This is just wrong. Please don't waste a question on this. Do your research.
You don't understand the GPL, which says nothing about using the internet to distribute source code. Lindows.com is perfectly within the GPL - they distribute the source code to those that pay for the compiled binaries and choose to download it, which satisfies all the GPL requires. You just can't hold your source for ransom.
We don't need to bother Robertson with this crap, you can get the answers yourself at http://www.fsf.org/copyleft/copyleft.html or http://www.lindows.com.
While abends frequently cause performance problems, it's not likely that an abend will bring the server to it's knees. I've maintained a Novell tree with over 30 servers in a mixed environment - an abend just meant we bounced the server at the end of the workday in most cases. When the performance was servely affected - multiple abends or an NDPS gateway that was unabvle to function, we properly restarted the server nearly every time.
While I completely understand what you're saying, let's make sure people don't think abending is the end of the world, because it certainly isn't.
Adam
Interesting. I never saw it as anything but a feature. Using multiple tabs is so easy - you can scoot around easily without going to the taskbar or using somesouthern key combo in Windows (Alt+Tab). On Linux, you have Konq, Galeon, and Opera, of which Moz is the slickest for me and I'm happiest using the tabs. Plus, you can bookmark a group of them, allowing me to save, fore example, all my research pages in one subject in one bookmark.
You need to read more carefully. You're right about the GPL, the software can be distributed, but not under the name Red Hat by you.
If you look carefully, you'll see that you can't use the name Red Hat to distribute the CDs. Instead, you can advertise it as "a prominent Linux distribution R.H." or "a distribution that rhymes with Dead Cat" or, as many like to call it, "Pink Tie."
You can distribute the CDs all you'd like, you just can't use their company name, which is NOT GPL'ed.
Actually most servers (including Apache and IIS) let you do just that.
Name one that has an HTTP link that won't download when you click it. I've never seen it.
Debian's apt-get default config file contacts servers via HTTP
No doubt because configuration of a source server would be much tougher with FTP than with HTTP. Of course, the point of a source server is much different than a website offering a few downloads. I was really referring to ISO downloads.
Actually it happens exactly as often with HTTP as with FTP, for exactly the same reasons, neither of which have anything to do with the protocols.
This isn't addressing what I said. I said that with FTP you can limit your connections with ease, and therefore, control how much bandwidth each user is getting. I didn't assert it has anything to do with the protocols.
I would thoroughly disagree with this opinion. Get a resuming HTTP client.
First off, if the guy could write his own download manager, this would be a moot point. Secondly, he's not putting software on a client, he's hosting it. Thirdly....umm....why?
HTTP is stateless and FTP is stateful, yes. However, the "overhead" required for a stateful connection is not going to cause a slowdown in transfer except possibly an the onset for the authentication. Stateles IP protocols don't have persistent connections, they shoot packets out and don't care about the receiving end because they assume that IP devices in the middle or the end will ensure delivery and proper resequencing. Stateful protocols keep an active connection and this is supposed to be faster. After all, ATM's big hold over, say DS3 and T1 lines, is that they open a pipeline and shoot data downstream. It is "connection oriented," like a phone call.
My suggestion would be to go with FTP if the size is anything above a few MB for administrative reasons. HTTP doesn't allow you to limit connections and bandwidth could be incidentally mashed into virtually nothing per user. You can limit not only the number of active downloads, but even who can download if you wanted.
Think of almost every Linux distribution - they use FTP. Why? Ever tried downloading something, connected at a smooth 100k/s or something and found, a few minutes later, you're pulling 2k/s? That USUALLY doesn't happen with FTP. Once you're in, you're in.
If you have tiny files, of course, logic dictates you go with HTTP. But for anything of size, do *yourself* a favor and go with FTP.
I cracked out a copy of good old Space Quest II about a year ago and loaded it up on my Athlon. It still works just fine. Sure, it's a little dated, and yes, those damned boxing robots are still friggin impossible, but it works.
Funny thing is, I won the game in a few hours, but I remember it being weeks when I was a kid. Oh well. Now I have Leisure Luit Larry and Police Quest to track down!
you're writing about a substitution for XML, and it's intriguing, but the conversation - DTDs vs. stylesheets - is discussing VALIDATING these data schemes.
the point of them is to make sure that (dynamically generated?) XML will fit the criteria of your app.
Actually, XML Schemas have been around for a while now.
I learned XML a while back, and we learned Schemas and DTDs. While I can write a DTD in 10 seconds, it takes literally hours for me to write a useful XML Schema that is dynamically populated. But it's been around.
If my computer, always running current AV software, were to somehow become infected with any sort of hack, virus, or other unauthorized software that I could trace back to the RIAA, I would be suing them faster than you can count to 3.
In fact, I kinda hope it happens just so I can do it.
Everyone here is bitching about how much AOL sucks, and it does, but I have to admit, it got my mom, my dad, and my granparents online. They can't figure out Windows, let alone Linux, or installing software, or getting themselves on Earthlink. They don't really understand IE, the concept of a browser or email program outside of AOL, or search engines.
Sure, you could argue that AOL handicapped them and that is WHY they don't get it, but I maintain, living hundreds of miles away, that AOL GOT them online.
So, as much as it r^H shapes your knowledge of the internet, it still does a lot for many millions of people. All of this blossomed under Mr. Case. I have to give Steve's effort an A.
I'm webmaster of firsttube.com, a site that offers downloads. According to the Phish Audio/Video Taping Policy, that means I can offer downloads of any these shows!
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Debian has had this forever. Gentoo does this and every other distro has either added this or is working on it.
.0000001% market? That's some dent they're making.
Yeah, right. And they have what,
Right after they all agree on one text editor.
Users don't need more than one. Developers can download one. What's so freaking complicated about choosing a basic text editor?
Um, yeah. Not only might this be construed as a GPL violation, but you'll annoy a lot of people. You know, customers.
1. You obviously haven't read the GPL.
2. The target doesn't include people like you or other obnoxious, loudmouthed, know-it-all elitists. It's normal users.
Ah, I see. He's going to make a MacOSX clone for x86
Yeah, so what?
WTF is all this prattle about business, finance and VCs? You don't need any of that to run a distro. Debian, Knoppix, Gentoo, and myriad others have done just fine as community developed projects. If he wants to prove me wrong, shut up and do it.
You're the reason Linux is what it is. Those projects are nothing. They're small potatoes. Linux based OSes will only REALLY advance when they can attract commercial app developers, and they'll come when the investment is worth it. People who refuse to pay for software keep them away and they get subpar products because of it. If you're happy with Linux as is, fine. You don't have to use this OS. In fact, please don't.
Anonymous Coward? Figures.
Windows has ssomething like a 96% market share, and with each distribution, they up the hardware ante to provide new eye candy and features.
Learn it. Understand it.
Why are so many Linux geeks so reluctant to make changes that might make the system EASIER?
This is just wrong. Please don't waste a question on this. Do your research.
You don't understand the GPL, which says nothing about using the internet to distribute source code. Lindows.com is perfectly within the GPL - they distribute the source code to those that pay for the compiled binaries and choose to download it, which satisfies all the GPL requires. You just can't hold your source for ransom.
We don't need to bother Robertson with this crap, you can get the answers yourself at http://www.fsf.org/copyleft/copyleft.html or http://www.lindows.com.
Few people realize that the Phoenix browser's new name is an acronym:
Firebird: I Renamed Everrbody's Browser Into a Relational Database
...the BSD is dying dorks look more and more stupid.
While abends frequently cause performance problems, it's not likely that an abend will bring the server to it's knees. I've maintained a Novell tree with over 30 servers in a mixed environment - an abend just meant we bounced the server at the end of the workday in most cases. When the performance was servely affected - multiple abends or an NDPS gateway that was unabvle to function, we properly restarted the server nearly every time. While I completely understand what you're saying, let's make sure people don't think abending is the end of the world, because it certainly isn't. Adam
Interesting. I never saw it as anything but a feature. Using multiple tabs is so easy - you can scoot around easily without going to the taskbar or using somesouthern key combo in Windows (Alt+Tab). On Linux, you have Konq, Galeon, and Opera, of which Moz is the slickest for me and I'm happiest using the tabs. Plus, you can bookmark a group of them, allowing me to save, fore example, all my research pages in one subject in one bookmark.
You need to read more carefully. You're right about the GPL, the software can be distributed, but not under the name Red Hat by you.
If you look carefully, you'll see that you can't use the name Red Hat to distribute the CDs. Instead, you can advertise it as "a prominent Linux distribution R.H." or "a distribution that rhymes with Dead Cat" or, as many like to call it, "Pink Tie."
You can distribute the CDs all you'd like, you just can't use their company name, which is NOT GPL'ed.
The same reason there's a 2.2 and 2.4 Linux kernel - because not everyone uses 2.5.
Not everyone uses XP, there're still updates to Windows 98, Me, and 2000 Workstation.
Just because the numbers are higher or the release is newer doesn't mean everyone flocked to it and upgraded immediately.
Most are predicting that 5.1 or even 5.2 will make 5.0 good to go for primetime. Until then, there are plenty still using the 4.x tree.
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I thought about it one day and just rambled on on my weblog...
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If the guitar outputs IP over cat5, how long until it's wireless. And that will usher in a whole new era of hacking/cracking.
Imagine when you can smuggle your 802.11 handheld into a concert and hack guitar feed, playing your favorite music intead of the guitar track!?
Well, I won't get into a spat about it, but...
Actually most servers (including Apache and IIS) let you do just that.
Name one that has an HTTP link that won't download when you click it. I've never seen it.
Debian's apt-get default config file contacts servers via HTTP
No doubt because configuration of a source server would be much tougher with FTP than with HTTP. Of course, the point of a source server is much different than a website offering a few downloads. I was really referring to ISO downloads.
Actually it happens exactly as often with HTTP as with FTP, for exactly the same reasons, neither of which have anything to do with the protocols.
This isn't addressing what I said. I said that with FTP you can limit your connections with ease, and therefore, control how much bandwidth each user is getting. I didn't assert it has anything to do with the protocols.
I would thoroughly disagree with this opinion. Get a resuming HTTP client.
First off, if the guy could write his own download manager, this would be a moot point. Secondly, he's not putting software on a client, he's hosting it. Thirdly....umm....why?
HTTP is stateless and FTP is stateful, yes. However, the "overhead" required for a stateful connection is not going to cause a slowdown in transfer except possibly an the onset for the authentication. Stateles IP protocols don't have persistent connections, they shoot packets out and don't care about the receiving end because they assume that IP devices in the middle or the end will ensure delivery and proper resequencing. Stateful protocols keep an active connection and this is supposed to be faster. After all, ATM's big hold over, say DS3 and T1 lines, is that they open a pipeline and shoot data downstream. It is "connection oriented," like a phone call.
My suggestion would be to go with FTP if the size is anything above a few MB for administrative reasons. HTTP doesn't allow you to limit connections and bandwidth could be incidentally mashed into virtually nothing per user. You can limit not only the number of active downloads, but even who can download if you wanted.
Think of almost every Linux distribution - they use FTP. Why? Ever tried downloading something, connected at a smooth 100k/s or something and found, a few minutes later, you're pulling 2k/s? That USUALLY doesn't happen with FTP. Once you're in, you're in.
If you have tiny files, of course, logic dictates you go with HTTP. But for anything of size, do *yourself* a favor and go with FTP.
Adam
Sounds like a great idea...but....
with a forged packet headers, open relays, and a global internet not subject to any one state or country's laws..is this in any way enforceable?
Finally, an idea that sounds logical. Of course, with forged packet headers, open relays, and a global internet, can any of it actually be enforced!?
And I LOVED Astrochicken!
I cracked out a copy of good old Space Quest II about a year ago and loaded it up on my Athlon. It still works just fine. Sure, it's a little dated, and yes, those damned boxing robots are still friggin impossible, but it works.
Funny thing is, I won the game in a few hours, but I remember it being weeks when I was a kid. Oh well. Now I have Leisure Luit Larry and Police Quest to track down!
you're writing about a substitution for XML, and it's intriguing, but the conversation - DTDs vs. stylesheets - is discussing VALIDATING these data schemes.
the point of them is to make sure that (dynamically generated?) XML will fit the criteria of your app.
follow?
Actually, XML Schemas have been around for a while now.
I learned XML a while back, and we learned Schemas and DTDs. While I can write a DTD in 10 seconds, it takes literally hours for me to write a useful XML Schema that is dynamically populated. But it's been around.
There's no "vs."
XML Schema are much more flexible and powerful.
There're also about 100 times more difficult and confusing.
If my computer, always running current AV software, were to somehow become infected with any sort of hack, virus, or other unauthorized software that I could trace back to the RIAA, I would be suing them faster than you can count to 3.
In fact, I kinda hope it happens just so I can do it.
Anyone who says Steve Case sucks is a goon.
Everyone here is bitching about how much AOL sucks, and it does, but I have to admit, it got my mom, my dad, and my granparents online. They can't figure out Windows, let alone Linux, or installing software, or getting themselves on Earthlink. They don't really understand IE, the concept of a browser or email program outside of AOL, or search engines.
Sure, you could argue that AOL handicapped them and that is WHY they don't get it, but I maintain, living hundreds of miles away, that AOL GOT them online.
So, as much as it r^H shapes your knowledge of the internet, it still does a lot for many millions of people. All of this blossomed under Mr. Case. I have to give Steve's effort an A.
I'm webmaster of firsttube.com, a site that offers downloads. According to the Phish Audio/Video Taping Policy, that means I can offer downloads of any these shows!
D'oh!
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Can anyone explain why you wouldn't just use SpamAssassin?
The answer is $2 million.
Palm has apparently said they will sell the BeOS source code for 2 million dollars. Anyone know a generous benefactor?