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Phish to Sell Downloads of Concerts
zzyzx writes "Phish have a new system for distributing their music. At livephish.com they will be selling their soundboard concert recordings. Most 2-3 hour concerts will cost $10 to download in mp3 format, $13 to download in the lossless shn format. What makes this interesting is that they're putting no DRM on these files at all. How are they protecting themselves? One paragraph in their Faq: 'Live Phish Downloads relies on an honor system, and we ask that you do not abuse the unrestricted nature of these files. If you would like to see this type of delivery of shows continue and flourish, please respect our taping policy and don't abuse the system.'" The honor system has served them well in the past, what with allowing their fans to record their concerts while also selling both studio and live albums.
...I pay $10 to hear one 2 hour guitar solo? I'm not sure that passes the bang-for-buck test.
Live concert recordings usually aren't that good, so this is analgous to them seeling a a 64kbps MP3. While it may get spread around, the recording is bad enough that it publicizes the band but still ensures users will want to hear a better studio recording.
SHN FAQ has some info and links regarding what shn is.
My doctor didn't tell me that. I had to hear it from Phish.
Phish became as popular as they are because of bootlegged live performances.. They have released quite a few Live Cds which I'm sure have been profitable. You may not buy into this but I'm sure all the Phish heads will.
- Chandler
You are better off saving your money for the 38 album CD set of The String Cheese Incident: The On The Road Series
and we cant mark this as a troll/flame and mod this idiot down.....
It's great that Phish has decided to make a lossless format available as well as the lossy mp3s. etree.org has been doing this for a number of years, and a method of distribution has been developed that preserves the quality of the audio as it passes through many hands.
etree.org offers legal show recordings from bands that promote the taping of their shows. The bands get free publicity, the fans get free recordings -- it works out for both parties.
Phish is pretty typical in that they only allow audience recordings (no soundboard access) and they sell (generally) better sounding soundboard recordings.
Anyone who's been to a Phish show can tell you about the legions of folks with high-gain mics and DAT/miniDisc units taping the whole show. Used to be that they'd have RCA patch bays coming off the soundboard that you could pull a post-mix feed from.
Rather enlightened, IMHO.
-JPJ
Feh.
The Grateful Dead started legal concert taping years ago, eventually setting aside stageside sections for tapers where they could set up mic booms and their DAT recorders. These concerts (plus those of Phish, Allman Bros, Dead satellite groups, etc) for the past five-six years have been available on Etree which is essentially a clearinghouse for FTPs with .shn versions of these shows. Been downloading them for years. From the site: "You can find nearly every band that allows taping in the jambands community on etree.org, including Phish, The Grateful Dead, The Seth Yacovone Band, String Cheese Incident, The Slip, Medeski, Martin & Wood, Umphrey's McGee, The Big Wu, Amfibian and The New Deal."
I would venture to say that these same Phish shows will be available on Etree sites, so why does livephish think people will pay for what they A) can get free already from Etree or B) will almost certainly end up on Etree anyway?
Besides, doesn't charging for taped concerts kind of go against the concert-tapes-as-promotion philosophy? The reason the Dead were the most successful concert band of all time was partially due to the free availability of tons of concert tapes. I know livephish has to pay for bandwidth, but this is a much larger divergence from the Dead/Phish philosophy of free concert music than people seem to believe.
"The pie shall be cut in half and each man shall receive.....death. I'll eat the pie."
What's his name from Metallica needs to see this
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It's great that we have a well known band out there willing to pioneer this. If have an extra bit of cash, go over to livephish and buy some tracks, support these efforts whenever you can. Show Phish the /. effect. I did.
I would love to see the Dave Matthews Band start selling soundboard recordings of live shows.
There was an article once discussing the technical aspects of how the band's sound crew digitally record every show.
We're talking crazy here, they fill up hard drives with recorded digital sound, and send the harddrives off to be archived to like 200+ cd's for the full digital mix of the show.
trust me, these recordings are amazing! hope to see DMB releasing some of these in the near future! (this would be so much better than the crap-show they released as Live at Folsom)
When Pearl Jam [Ten Club, Synergy] sold the official bootlegs for their 2000 tour, they didn't care if you traded the boots. So if you bought the CDs, fine, and if you wanted to trade/download them, thats fine too.
B
Hey, they could have saved on bandwidth costs if they used the Free Lossless Audio Codec (FLAC). Check it out at flac.sourceforge.net. It's pretty cool.
G.
From their web page:
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There is a peer to peer network (in beta) for only bands like Phish and the Dead that allow taping. It's called furthurnet.org. There is a java client that works fairly well in Linux, too. I've grabbed tons of cool stuff from there - Hendrix, Neil Young, Built to Spill, Phish - there's a huge list of bands. And they have .shn and .mp3s currently, eventually there will be video too.
Finally some big-time artists are deciding to bypass the obsolete middleman (RIAA) which gets most of the revenue from CD sales.
Repeal the DMCA!
That's 19 live albums that they have sold. And they still allow taping their shows.
Obviously, not everyone will buy shows off livephish, but some dedicated fans (like my room mate) who want to show support for them probably will.
I tend not to second guess phish, as they are the most successful "jam band" around; they seem to know what they are doing.
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What is the problem.
Music is more then the sum of the components, and also varies with your personal taste.
Lots of bands sound "crappy" live compared to the polished studio music, but there is much more to a performance then the sound.
It sounds like these are just mp3 and shn formats of the soundboard recording that Phish has been releasing as box sets over the last year. Why would I want to pay money to download these? Every concert ever played by Phish is basically already online somewhere, if you know where to look. Granted, you might not get the soundboard version, but most likely you'll find one comparable somewhere. Hell, I'll just fireup furthernet or hotline and find the same show and spend the $10 on a 6-pk of Guiness and a burger instead.
"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for SEGA. ..."
FurthurNet has over 30 years of music I could never find anywhere else. Where else are you going to find Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade concerts? You'd be lucky to find one live mp3 on kazaa.
BTW, it's legal to use it...
hello? isnt that a bit much? i know to make a cd album you gotta go through hundreds of people and companies making lots of parts of it, material costs, manufacturing costs, distributing costs, cost of having it sitting in the store. many costs i didnt put here. plus you get *something* in the end. a product. something to hold onto and look at. they are asking *TEN DOLLARS* for a download. am i the only one that sees this as a VERY greedy amount? wouldnt two dollars be a little more realistic?
I can't believe this got modded up as Informative. What you said is true, but Phish is definitely NOT one of these bands. Phish has gotten its reputation by performing excellent live shows. I understand that you are saying that here is more to a Phish show than the music (the people, the parking lot scene, the drugs, etc.) and you are right. But the music is what holds the entire scene together.
Phish has a free live show available for download on phishlive.com. Go and listen to it and get a taste of what Phish really sounds like.
david "zzyzx" steinberg,
paul glace at Phantasy Tour and the crew at etree.org with their nearly anal quality hounds tracking the the recording status and quality of most legally traded music on the internet.
Live distribution shows what a dynamic band this really is. Not a cookie cutter, same show every night type band! Check them out.
Anything you say will be held against you.
This story upsets me. For years, I've been a Dave Matthews Band fan, another band which allows live taping of their shows. One of the great things about live taping is the community that gets built around the band, without the band being directly involved. I've met so many great people through trades and message boards.
Since the policy states that copies can't be made for other people, the entire network of live performance trading (for Phish, anyways), has just been destroyed, and the community that the trading has created with it.
I hope the band enjoys their $10 or $13, but it may cost them fans in the long run, and I hope it does. This is not a good precedent to set.
Should DMB ever go this way with their taping policy, I guarantee that they won't see another dime from me. Live performances is what first excited me about DMB, and the grassroots support that they had (and still do) via the trading network is a beutiful thing, and should be preserves. Yes, even in the face of the almighty dollar.
But no Linux/Mac support yet I belive
Now if only a good band would follow suit I could start downloading good live music. Phish sucks.
Audience trading is still allowed. In fact, along with this new program they actually changed their tape trading policies to make them LESS restrictive. This just offers something new that was previously unavailable.
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But who says you have to be good to be popular?
yes, and the MILLIONS of fans they have can attest to whatever they sound like to you, it must be working.
all that and not barely a penny spent on radiotime, marketing, videos, or promotion.
if phish is a 'mediocre college band' then that must be my genre.
Can't we convince them to put their stuff in
a free format?
Shouldn't that be "in the Phaq"?
Thank you, I'll be here all week! Tip your waitstaff...
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Cocks suck YOU!!!!!!!!
If you would like to see this type of delivery of shows continue and flourish, please respect our taping policy and don't abuse the system.
Whoops - looks like the only restriction is if you copy the recordings to tape - I guess distributing the MP3's isn't against the rules then...
You know, I've looked around for awhile on etree and related sites, and the reason that I've never really gotten into them is a real lack of music that I want to hear (which is ok, for the most part). I don't expect every music site to cater to my tastes. What's disturbing, however, is the fact that there is a supreme lack of (ie, none whatsoever) punk bands and bootlegs from punk concerts.
:/
You'd think that punk would have really adopted the whole linux/free software movement, given that the same 'fight the establishment'/DIY sentiment is really prevalent in both movements. I really wonder why more smaller punk bands don't put themselves up on sites like this now. Crass used to bootleg themselves all the time, and they were selling halfway decent bootlegs of themselves for the mere cost of the tape years ago.
Yes, I know that I probably shouldn't expect this from anyone on epitaph or fat records, or that whole wave of warped-tour style punk that most people tend to group everyone into. However, I really wish that punks would get with the program here and start using the net to spread their music and message more effectively.
Just my little rant.
"Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
They call this value. Phish is using a marketing philosophy that literally goes back to the beginning of time: Treat your customers with respect and they'll contine to be your customers. See, despite what Hilary Rosen would have you believe, music fans WANT to support musicians. See, people make music for the following reasons (in order): 1. Because they love to. 2. Because they love others to enjoy their music. and finally, 3 To make a living. This is why there's so many garage bands; most of them are happy to make a few bucks playing a wedding, and they have real jobs during the week....like writing code for example. Phish realizes this and says to their fans: for short money we'll give you honest VALUE. Putting it simply, they treat their fans (customers) with respect. Also, consider that most of the 10 bucks you pay goes straight to Phish. Everybody wins...well almost everybody. The music INDUSTRY doesn't win. But remember, they don't make music all they do is distribute it. Their motivation is ONLY #3: to make money. Also, they don't respect their customers. In fact, they publically call their customers THIEVES. Is it no wonder that nobody likes them back?
I don't think it's ok to just "share" mainstream music. If we don't like the terms the music industry offers, we should look around and find other bands who are *willing* to offer their music in reasonable formats, and then pay them appropriately.
This might have the side effect of more variety returning to music, instead of having some cartell deciding which music we are supposed.
Ok, sorry for the rant, but how about slashdot providing some "music review" section to complement the book reviews? The reviews would have to be about new artists, who are willing to sell mp3s (or some format like that) of their music.
Just my 0.02 Euros.
Money Good! Napster Bad!
'nuff said.
This is refreshing to see how many Phish fans are out there on /. Any of you guys going to the NYE or Hampton shows? I got shut out of those, but I'm going to the Cincinnati shows.
I'm listening to the 10/7/00 mp3's right now. They do sound great, but I like to occasionally here the audience cheering. I guess I'm still going to get shows from Furthur.
-prator
nuff said
You can download 10/07/00 Shoreline Amphitheater Mountain View, CA for free right now. It's their last show before the hiatus.
Anyone have any extra floor seats to worcester? I've got trade and cash. itodd@itodd dot org
Actually mainstream-skatepunks Pennywise do have free MP3s of bootlegs available on their website http://www.pennywisdom.com. They're not really interesting because all the Pennywise shows are basically the same.
Jambands like Phish have such huge tape-trading community because their shows are based on improvisation and they tend to be unique. Only band with real tape-trading/bootleg scene that could be considered punk is Sublime. Their bootlegs can be found on Furthur
For free punk music you should check out Out of Tune (Shameless plug, get my band's second EP for free from there) and ftp.unixpunx.org, which hosts a really great archive of independent music (and doesn't care about copyright laws at all..)
hey, thanks for the info. good to know there are people out there that still care. ;)
"Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
Other artists should take note that all Phish did was listen to the needs of their community! The Shn format is not very popular, but amongst the taping community it is thanks to etree.org. It will be very interesting to see how this service affects their live taping policy. Phish's live taping policy is much more restrictive than most because they do not offer soundboard patches. Tapers are forced to use expensive mic and preamp rigs ($5000+) if they want to get anything close to soundboard sound. Live concert taping with microphones is part art, part science, and there are quite a few people who take it way too seriously. The other major restriction of the Phish taping policy is once they release an album of a concert, that concert cannot be distributed online. I would imagine this service will not qualify as an "album."
The next big step for this service will be the distribution of the Phish archives, Phish has recorded every concert from about 1990 on, possibly even earlier. Most of the recordings are multitrack DAT with audience mics to capture the crowd sounds. I would imagine the Grateful Dead will seek to duplicate this model if it is successful. A few years from now we might have every Grateful Dead and Phish show online, remastered SBD recordings. Today is a happy day for jamband fans. A little message to the authors of the "Phish sucks" posts, stick to Creed.
that ftp link doesn't seem to like anon logins. where do I score a login/pass?
As a long time fan who is now old enough to appreciate the days of trading tapes, b&p, etc,...
this is what will keep the music thriving. their studio albums are horrendous(especially the new release "Round Room."), the live element of their music keeps its allure. One needs to go to a show sober (as I have), to truly appreciate the attraction to their music. Their jams meld elements of jazz, blues, classic and progressive rock. For someone who is a true music lover, Phish offers a wide variety of styles to enjoy. They have opened many musical doors for me and my cd collection now spans decades and styles. This offering will keep fans like me, who don't have the time to orchestrate trades and search for music, this can keep me enjoying music that I love.
Who's got my extra???? My Nassau's for your NYE.
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and have downloadable shrooms?
Pearl Jam sold 72 live albums (actual cd's not downloads off the internet) for about 13 bucks (less if you were a 10club member (their fanclub)) from the 2000 tour, and they'll probably do it all again in 2003. They also didn't have the same restrictions that Phish apparently has (ie. There was NO copyright notice on the cd's). They were tired of their fans paying 50+ bucks for shitty quality bootlegs, so they made soundboard quality copies of ALL their concerts available wicked cheap and pretty much put the commercial pj bootleggers out of business. It's reason #234723 why they kick ass and their fanbase loves them, but don't tell anyone that because I want to be able to actually get decent tickets to the next tour.
... If you compare music scenes with software platforms ;-)
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'nuff said, bro.
You've never seen such a fiddle.
I'm webmaster of firsttube.com, a site that offers downloads. According to the Phish Audio/Video Taping Policy, that means I can offer downloads of any these shows!
D'oh!
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I've been a fan for several years, but when the live CD's started to come out I thought- uh,oh, this is going to cost, and I stopped buying. $10 is a reasonable price to pay for those shows. I wonder if they'll turn a blind eye to people trading the album art from the CD releases of the same shows..
So long, and thanks for all the Phish
Cowboy Neal, we all know you're a hippy and all, but please can you stop posting this Grateful Dead/Phish garbage already? Noone cares about your musical tastes you tree hugging, no-showering ass-machine!
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Phish has a huge loyal fanbase, and if this approach succeeds, it will say a lot about making music for the fans, instead of the money.
In other words, Metallica sucks.
someone (possibly me) really needs to organize a emailing campaign to let phish know that some of us would like to see these very same files available in ogg (lossy, equivalent to mp3) and flac (lossless, equivalent to shn) formats. here's a great opportunity to promote our favorite royalty free media formats!
why not just decide what the music's value is, post portions of the concerts to get people hooked, then let people pay with paypal donations...when the donations and pledges reach the posted amount , release the music.
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To be picky, this shouldn't be mistaken with the same quality as "A Live One" or "Slip Stich & Pass". The true commercial live albums they've produced are made in a very different fashion. These are simply a recording of the feed coming off the board containing the same stuff that goes into the house speakers at the show. While it's not optimized for home listening, it still sounds great.
True live albums are recorded differently, more like a studio album. One big difference is that they are always matrix recordings of the soundboard mixed with audience mics for ambiance. This makes it sound brighter and more alive. Also, professional live tapes are recorded to multitrack with each track a distinct instrument. Traditionally, this is done in a van outside the venue for sound isolation purposes.
So you're right in that the quality of these is better than audience tapes, they're still a notch below true live albums.
Josh Woodward
Nope, woke up and skipped my first class that day and spent an hour hammering ticketmaster's servers with 4 other friends to get tickets and to no avail. at another uni, one of my friends got 2 and he's going, but he wasnt part of our pool (we had it setup so we all knew ahead of time if person A got tickets, then person B would be going with them, and if person B got tickets, then person C would go and it went arround so everyone got a fair chance).
The things we do as phans.
We don't need an "overrated" so much as we need a "you completely missed the parent's point, dumbass..."
Yeah, if this really takes off and phish sells a lot of recordings (in addition to getting more for each because there's no middleman), then that will completely refute the RIAA's argument for instituting the digital gestapo.
Repeal the DMCA!
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Creed is just as shitty. Get bent.
You could combine audience recordings with the official soundboard releases to make matrix recordings. I have an free official release from Phish of Trey's solo band at Red Rocks on 7/18/01. It is a great recording because they made it a matrix, mixing in audience microphones with the soundboard recording. Red Rocks is a really cool place to do this because it is a natural amphitheatre and it gives the music a really good sounding echo/reverb quality. The Live Phish releases have crowd noise, so I think we should wait untill this gets going and see what the releases are like.
Chopface
I just downloaded a concert. Very well done website, the browsing / manager install was a little weird(xp) but all in all very organized and getting to the place we want to be with music. I like free music to see what I like and don't like, but we have to pay the piper at some point, don't we? why not pay the musicians rather than record industry leeches. mho
I've been lucky enough to get out to see the coolest shows in this "genre" this year. I think it's a cool thing they're doing even from the simple fact that it gives us a chance to test and find the business model that we like for dealing music on the web... With so many companies biting it... Liquid Audio for instance... Some experimentation is in order.
.shn snobs are the primary reason. Why on earth would I want to here all the lossless glory of a two Shure SM58 mics hooked up to a Sony minidisc player. (In other words some people... SOME people out there are not recording experts...) And in that case You're not going to get a feed that would sound good enough to merit a file size 10x larger. I would get into .shn if I knew the source of the audio was High quality (came straight from the band or a buddy who was a taper.). Instead of spending 500MB of downloading on what turned out to be crap...
I'll tell you why I'll by directly from Phish online... Quality control... they're not going to release a poor quality recording on that site... It's going to be the best you can get.
Why I never got into Etree... professed
I can't wait to download NYC on New Years Eve after I get home from that show.
Also... I speak for most people... I buy the CD's because studio recording and live performance are two entirely different arts. Both which should be appreciated. Live CD's I buy for the reason I'd download a confirmed high quality lossless recording... quality of live recording.
Oh yeah... and who else out there thought Bonnaroo rocked?!!!
They are a glorified cover band anyway, they're already playing songs that aren't theirs and making money of it, why should they care if people redistribute those same songs.....
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David Lindley doesn't sell downloadable tunes, but he allows that folks who purchase his CDs from him might want to make copies for their friends. The right to make a copy costs $5US, also on the honor system. Check him out: his music is a lot more fun than Phish, I promise.
.nosig
the slot they played on SNL runs almost directly counter to the spirit of the whole band. they are given one (or maybe two) pop-song-length bits of time to cram songs into...these are songs that routinely run over the five (and often ten) minute mark at real shows.
and instead of being surrounded by tens of thousands of fans who know the music and can kick back and boogie, they have a barricade of TV lights glaring down on them.
so, judge them if you want, but don't think you got anything close the real phish experience.
sean
Let me preface this by saying that I know next to nothing about this band, but did anybody catch this article in the New York Times last week? It makes this Phish fans sound like addicted cult members. What struck me particularly odd was this quote:
"The band takes over a crowd," said Megan Leff, 28, who works in advertising in Manhattan. "They throw everyone into a fury. You cannot move or shake quickly enough. Then, suddenly, they will have everyone fall and pretend they are dead."
Does this article conform with anybody's experiences with this band or is it just a hoakey sensationalistic headlining?
Every time there was an argument against music file sharing, the anti-RIAA people would sink to a deeper level of denial. First it was "those labels are blood suckers". Then it was "well just go after the P2P users". When that was done, they anti's countered with "yes they went after the P2Pers, but the artist still doesnt see any more money".
/. crowd to compensate them.
Well now gentlemen, what you begged for is here. A major artist has done what you all screamed about and started selling it's music DIRECT. Now Phish is being lumped as greedy money suckers. Huh? An artist finally sells music the way you demended it should be sold, and now that your bluff has been callen, you show your true face: HYPOCRISY. It was all about not having to pay for it, right? Every counter argument was simply a delaying tactic, in hopes that what they truly screamed for never came. Well it did, it's here. It never was about "the artist should get the money, not the labels". Amazing.
I don't like Phish's music, never could stand their stuff. I thought they were a cheap jam band copy, and I still do. But I respect their right to not have their product ripped off. After all, IT IS THEIRS. Looks like the Slashdot/P2P cadre never did respect that right, in the final analysis.
DRM is the key. I hope Phish adopts it, cause they sure can't rely on the
Richard Thompson has been selling unavailable-anywhere live material, sold directly by the artist either mail order or at shows. It's not downloads, but its not copy-protected CDs, either.
They're actually "professional quality" CDs with real liner notes, photos and a quality production job. Unfortunately they're not whole shows, but "best of" of specific tours.
If I was a performed, I'd be inclined to do something like this. I'd discourage taping at the show, but I'd sell every show I did in a complete a format as was possible with as good a quality of audio as was possible.
My guess is that most artists (other than Titney and other fake entertainment industry creations) could do this and make money. Real fans would likely buy them at the right price -- guaranteed quality, decent liner notes, support-my-artist mentality.
As long as the sales cover the major up-front production cost, they should even make a buck on it, since the sound system and the show are pretty much paid for by the tickets to the show to begin with. Electronic distribution greatly lowers their upfront cost, but limits to some the value due to lack of liner notes, silkscreened CDs, etc, but would make selling every show more financially viable.
See, despite what Hilary Rosen would have you believe, music fans WANT to support musicians.
A lot of music "fans" want whatever is cool at the moment, regardless of quality, tied to a carefully marketed star*. Until that star becomes uncool (ie. not the latest and most heavily played), and suddenly all their former "fans" are talking trash and pretending they never cared much for them. Refer to file labeled "Spice Girls". Groups like this can't market music the same way Phish (or any other truly good band) does, simply because Phish has nurtured a community for years, and their live shows are unique works of art which lend themselves to the bootleg scene. Phish's fans will be glad to pay a few bucks for a good live recording, they respect the band and know the band respects them.
Oh the irony. The music industry is so hooked on the fast heavy cash generated by the Britneys and P. Diddy's they hype, that they've effectively generated a fan base who care nothing for the shallow music they consume, and thus feel little guilt about "stealing intellectual property". Ah, Hilary, live and learn.
* arguably these people are barely "musicians", definitely not "Artists" and can legitimately be called "performers".
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This cpen codec (Lossless Predictive Audio Compression) is also lossless, but has a much better compression ratio than
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And, at least, phish as resonable ticket prices, not the $75/person charged by dave.
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You completely made that up. Dave Matthews Band has never charged more than $50/ticket, front row or otherwise. Phish is $45 for their next show, at MSG on December 31st. DMB was $47.50 for last night's show. You must be new around these parts -- you can't just get away with making shit up on
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phish has had a deal with furthernet for a while already now. furthernet is a p2p that offers downloads of live shows for free but only allows you to download shows from artists and groups who agree to it. phish was on the list of artists who signed the contract to offer free shows to anyone who was willing to download them. don't waste your money.
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I've never seen Phish sound even remotely as good on TV as they do in concert. If all I knew of them was their TV appearances, I'd think they suck.
This means I gotta restock my supply of hippy-crack!
Oh joy!
agreed. I don't even really know why they do things like SNL, it's just not their strength
DMB charges the same on a regular night as Phish on NYE for the same venue, shows how greedy he is.
You can spin that however you want. I conclude that Phish is greedy -- DMB charges the same for every seat at every show, New Year's Eve or otherwise. Phish, on the other hand, wants to profit more off of their NYE show, and so they charge more. Phish is also far less popular than DMB, so I could also conclude that people are simply not willing to pay as much as they are for DMB. Finally, Dave Matthews Band's tickets costs are far below the average cost of tickets today, further indicating that you are full of shit.
Dave gets a bigger cut of the profit too I bet than any one member of Phish.
You completely made that up without any basis in fact or even rational speculation.
-Waldo Jaquith
Anyway, I keep picturing all these little kids playing some game in this
big field of rye and all. Thousands of little kids, and nobody's around --
nobody big, I mean -- except me. And I'm standing on the edge of some crazy
cliff. What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to go
over the cliff -- I mean if they're running and they don't look where they're
going I have to come out from somewhere and catch them. That's all I'd do
all day. I'd just be the catcher in the rye. I know it; I know it's crazy,
but that's the only thing I'd really like to be. I know it's crazy.
-- J.D. Salinger, "Catcher in the Rye"
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