I have IE 4/5 and Commo 4.61 hang my box, so HA! Seriously, hate to be offtopic, but all three have a total lock effect on my NT4SBS SP4 install.
I had problems with IE under my old NT4S SP3 install, switching to Netscape cleared that up, however now nothing does. I wish I could get a Dr. Watson or Task Manager.. nada.
Still working on the problem, so far the only solution is to not browse the web;)
For example, note this: "Extrinsic rewards can erode intrinsic interest. People who see themselves as working for money, approval or competitive success find their tasks less pleasurable, and therefore do not do them as well."
Yea, I find that when I am solely motivated by the posibility of being extremely wealthy, my productivity decreases, I show up to work late, I refuse to service customers.. hell I'm just a total wreck.
Sorry, just trying to ease the tension on this message board:)
Agreed no one will retire... Figure you can get your hands on 1000 shares at the orginal low of $10. Lets say according to analyst 4 weeks ago (prior to the current sick wallstreet), RHAT goes up to $70 by day two.
Ok you sell, you got $70,000, you pay etrade, and pay Uncle Sam %28 YES! in taxes.
Only chance of anyone becoming a millionaire from RHAT is to invest early, continue to purchase stock as you can afford over the course of 4 or so years. During that time, bust your OpenSource coding ass:) to support them and their distribution. You gotta good chance.
What I am waiting to see is a group of Open Source coders see an opportunity and just say "Hey RHAT, will bust our ass on projectX, totally opensource, all we ask for is nnnn shares of stock". If enough coders, with the right motivation ( $$$ + freecode = happyme ) could really make a fortune, retire early, and view pron newsgroups all day:) hehe..
Sorry for the late reply hope you get it. The Linux Mandrake comment was supposed to be funny:) "bonafide distribution". I laughed my self into a stupor when I wrote it.
I understand COMPLETELY where you are coming from, and that you are not in the distribution business. I was trying to point out that leading with your own distribution, or partnering closely with an existing leader would only benefit VA.
I personally believe VA can compete directly against Sun's Workstation Market share. To do this VA will have to work with Unix Workstation customers who are accustomed to the Hardware Vendor providing OS support as well. Providing that OS level of support will be attractive, providing your own distro or closely aligning with a RedHat (etc.), would be more attractive to that same customer.
You want to sell the complete package, not just another Computer. If you are just selling another computer, the customer can go to Dell. If you are selling a complete solution, and provide the best support possible, customers will stay for life.
Sorry for the rant you probably know all this already:) I just think that VALinux is a Kickass company that is poised to take off. I wish them the best of luck
There's not a thing you can do about it. Why? It takes more than one person to make a difference, and nobody cares to.
Those are just the facts, I personally email every congrassman, and state legislator I can, whenever something like this come's up (I did for this action too). Unfortunately my email is apparently one of four:(
Until we reach a point where the general population does something more than just complain, it will always be the same.
My personal recommendation if you are not discouraged by now, is to take the initiative and find out who your state reps' are, and email them. Hell we will spend four hours sweating over HOWTO's over one little doohickey, but we can't spend 2 minutes searching with altavista? Take that 2 minutes. Maybe you won't make a difference with your emails, but I tell you from experience, you'll feel more justified when you complain, cuz you actually tried to do something about it.
"These text have nothing to do with the real world"
Yes, except for the following: Networking Essentials TCP/IP and about %35 of IIS 4.
"I love how they turn a blind eye to unix and other systems"
THEY DON'T! They acknowledge other systems and you must have a basic understanding of them, you are even tested on it, WHY? you ask. So you can intergrate NT with other OS's, and then move them out the door. More than a year ago MCSE tests really stressed intergration with Novell, you really had to understand ALOT about Novell. Now it is shifting to knowing and understanding Unix. MicroSoft wants the MCSE to know the competition, integrate with it, then eventually trash it.
1. Timing, end of the summer is always a bad time, people generally cash in investments, and then reinvest in Fall.
2. Interest rate hike, nuff said.
3. the infamous ".com" IPO..com IPO's are a dime a dozen now, and people are being more cautious.
4. Company Financials, the most promising IPO released yesterday was 1800-Flowers, but check their financial report, it's abosultely bleeding red.
I don't think RedHat will do as good as analyst orginally predicted, spike possibly high as a hundred first couple of days. I do expect it to do OK.
Also, if RedHat doesn't do that well, hold on to it. I believe RedHat stock will do well enough in the near future for myself to at least make a small profit.
Just realize the first week of trading is gonna be frantic. With these times of the "day trader", you know it never actually hurts to hold onto the stock for more than a few weeks or months.
"VA is not in the distribution business We have our own load (based on Red Hat)"
According to the LinuxMandrake folks, you have a bonafide distribution:)
I believe a VALinux distribution could only benefit VALinux. As the number of distibutions is growing quite considerably, VALinux has the opportunity to grab Linux and become "the" distribution offering both Hardware and Software solutions, similiar to a Sun Microsystems. As the number of distributions continues to grow, I think it has a negative impact on potential customers. Customer's interested in Linux are not going to change their habits too much. VALinux has the opportunity to grab Workstation and MidLevel Server Market share from the likes of Sun, SGI, and MS.
As far as RedHat is concerned; the whole "Linux Portal" plan was blown when they failed to aquire the linux.com domain. RedHat Linux Software will probably not make it either. RedHat can make their distribution THE userfriendly distro, but there will always be someone to download all that hardwork, change the logo's, and ask Macmillan to distribute for $20 bucks less. All under the guise of "supporting linux".
I honestly don't think Linux will gain wide acceptance in the business world until a dominant player stands out, VALinux probably has the best chance of being that player (RedHat a close second depending on the choices they make). I personally would like to see Linux gain that acceptance, I would love to be able to use Linux at work, as opposed to just at home.
I don't think you can compare the two, Linux and NT.
NT rode not the "fad train", but the "marketing train" of empty promises. NT can (and will) work if placed in the correct role, however MicroSoft tried to pawn it off prematurely as the "BE ALL, DO ALL" Operating System. I have no doubt that Linux will be able to fulfill any roles it is forced into.
What will hold Linux back are the amount of distributions, coupled with IT Manager mentality. I personally work for a large telecommications company, and ran into some "heat" awhile back for trying to implement an "unsupported" application.
The unsupported application was 'gzip'. I was told 'compress' was the authorized choice.
Companies looking to purchase Linux as an OS Solution are going to look for a dominant company, that can provide all support great and small. You have a few dominant commercial choices, RH, Caldera, and SuSE, however I don't believe they are yet equipped to handle Corporate Support. I think RH may be the closest right now, but my experience with their support has been mediocre.
I believe VALinux will truly be the one to watch, they have a tested formula, selling hardware and OS (own version of linux now). If they can provide the same level, or better support as the Big Vendors (Sun, SGI, HP..etc), they will certainely do well.
Whoa.. don't read so much into that one phrase:) I completely understand the inaccuracy facet of IPO offerings, my intent was only to prepare those not familiar with Etrade's process not to be shocked by the fact that they have to Refresh a Web page "today (Monday)" at work:)
And yes it is the "ultimate Book operation", I agree wholeheartedly:)
Ok, first my opinion is the mistake was miscomminucation between RedHat and Etrade, nothing more. Etrade has a set of rules and guidelines for customer's investing in IPO offerings (whether I agree with them or not). RedHat should've checked out what those guidelines were before blindly sending out emails to individuals and telling them to sign up to accounts.
Now what sorta stinks is Etrade's policy, first they do not tell you when the IPO is going to be offered. You have to make a general guess, and sit in front of your computer and refresh the IPO current offering's page. You have about two hours to fill out a ten question profile to see if you qualify. These restrictions have loosened a bit, so more might get in. Etrade "suggests" you hold the stock for at least 30 days, but will not restrict you from selling earlier than 30 days. Be warned if you sell within 30 days, it might effect your chances of future offerings. Companies want long term investors, and they are not going to allow Etrade to offer IPO if Etrade customer's are wannabe day traders.
Also remember Etrade wants you to invest at least 100 shares or $1000 minimum (I am not TOTALLY SURE ON THIS NUMBER but close). If you don't have that kind of money my recommendation is if you have some friends you REALLY TRUST! go in together under one account. Preferbly in the name of someone with some long term trading background, as they will more likely be accepted for IPO offerings. Just say "Hey I got $500, you got $500 let's pool are money together and buy". I would agree beforehand on when to sell, (ie when it hit's $62 a share or drops by $5 whatever comes first).
Whatever you do, don't let the system get you down, and prevent you from making the investments you want. It's to easy to say "Screw this, this is a pain in the ass". Just remember, the system was designed by the Rich, for the Rich. Joe's (and Jane's) like us just have to work harder within the system, and we can do it.
A person is judged by their actions. "If your gonna talk the talk, you must walk the walk". I am really surprised how so many self declared leaders of Open Source are stating that MicroSoft is right. No they are not. MicroSoft is not interested in Open Source or Universal standards. MicroSoft is only concerned with controlling standards, posting quarterly profits, and pleasing shareholders.
If Microsoft is so concerned with IM standards how come they decided to make their IM compatiable with AOL and NOT Yahoo or Prodigy. I will tell you why, because they want access to AOL's 40 Million Users.
Here is what will happen if a standard is set:
Microsoft will adhere to the standard for about a year, that is how long it takes before people drop AIM like a rock, because MSIM has been incorporated into Win99 (released first quater 2001).
MicroSoft will then add "features" that go against the standard, but who cares. MicroSoft is the only one left making the damn thing, because it's another "feature integrated" into their OS.
I am all for Open Source but give me a break. Linux has yet to hit it's first Major Obstacle (Fragmentation), and that should rear it's ugly head pretty damn soon. All these so-called distributions that are touting how their all for open source, until one day they wake up and say "Oh shit", we can make money from this and all we have to do is download RedHat, add KDE, and compile with PGCC. Now their offering their distributions in stores for $29.99.
About the only Company I see "making" it from Open Source is VaLinux. VA sells hardware right? wrong, go check their webpage, no more RedHat, now you get VA OS Linux 6.0. One stop shopping, hardware, and OS, with support. Now a company doesn't need to worry about BlueHat, or GirlDrake or anyone of the 100+ distributions that will be available. All they have to do is get their OS from their Hardware Vendor.
But who cares, between Stallman bitching about the Damn name of an OS he didn't write, to Perens whining about ESR for God only knows what, or ESR and this blind, noforsight support of MS, and the X number of other times he's jumped the gun on something only to release a public "amendment" to his orginal statement(apple open source anyone).
peace.
BTW, I am thankful for the contributions of those above, however I don't look up to them as some Open Source Deity. One for writing some HELLA GREAT CODE, one for a great Essay (C&B), who tried to make companies understand, and the other... for airing open source dirty laundry to the public.
Mylex/Buslogic Great Linux Support
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IBM Buying Mylex
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Buslogic(Mylex),
Has always had great support for Linux. They released a Linux Support statement a couple of years back (Linux SCSI HOWTO I Think). I personally think the Adaptec Cards are horribly overpriced(hyped).
It will be interesting to see what IBM does with Mylex.
I use Linux because it works. I personally support AOL decision, why? They are in the business of making money, and they compete with others in the same business. I find it beneficial for technology when companies are finally learning how to compete with MicroSoft. It allows more competition, which spawns development, and advancements. Not just lame buggy features.
Microsoft doesn't want a standard, they just want to have access to AOL's IM users. So they can start pumping the 21 million with MS advertisements.
AOL has not hindered the community in integrating such open source programs such as GAIM. AOL is just defending it's profits and future. That's what businesses do.
I really like open source, and support ALOT of open source ideals, but I don't see it as the be all, end all solution either.
Just my $0.00:)
One last thing, "microsoft haters". What's wrong with disliking Microsoft? A company is only as good as the products and services they offer. I personally dislike them because "I" think there products are poor. Just like I dislike Pepsi. When MicroSoft releases a product that "I" believe is worth a damn I will purchase it. Until then, I like Microsoft as much as I like their products.
I agree in that I rather see client side filters that people have the "choice" of using, as opposed to government or FCC regulations.
The problem lies in the fact that while CyberPatrol does not make guarantees, they are misleading customers, as well as, being lazy with their coding as to block entire domains.
Slashdot Mirror
I have IE 4/5 and Commo 4.61 hang my box, so HA!
Seriously, hate to be offtopic, but all three have a total lock effect on my NT4SBS SP4 install.
I had problems with IE under my old NT4S SP3 install, switching to Netscape cleared that up, however now nothing does. I wish I could get a Dr. Watson or Task Manager.. nada.
Still working on the problem, so far the only solution is to not browse the web;)
I didn't get in either, oh well. What I would like to see is CmdrTaco put up a poll so we can see how many did.
For example, note this: "Extrinsic rewards can erode intrinsic interest. People who see themselves as working for money, approval or competitive success find their tasks less pleasurable, and therefore do not do them as well."
Yea, I find that when I am solely motivated by the posibility of being extremely wealthy, my productivity decreases, I show up to work late, I refuse to service customers.. hell I'm just a total wreck.
Sorry, just trying to ease the tension on this message board:)
Agreed no one will retire... Figure you can get your hands on 1000 shares at the orginal low of $10. Lets say according to analyst 4 weeks ago (prior to the current sick wallstreet), RHAT goes up to $70 by day two.
Ok you sell, you got $70,000, you pay etrade, and pay Uncle Sam %28 YES! in taxes.
Only chance of anyone becoming a millionaire from RHAT is to invest early, continue to purchase stock as you can afford over the course of 4 or so years. During that time, bust your OpenSource coding ass:) to support them and their distribution. You gotta good chance.
What I am waiting to see is a group of Open Source coders see an opportunity and just say "Hey RHAT, will bust our ass on projectX, totally opensource, all we ask for is nnnn shares of stock". If enough coders, with the right motivation ( $$$ + freecode = happyme ) could really make a fortune, retire early, and view pron newsgroups all day:)
hehe..
"utter chaos"
That's that's an understatement:)
Sorry for the late reply hope you get it.
The Linux Mandrake comment was supposed to be funny:) "bonafide distribution". I laughed my self into a stupor when I wrote it.
I understand COMPLETELY where you are coming from, and that you are not in the distribution business. I was trying to point out that leading with your own distribution, or partnering closely with an existing leader would only benefit VA.
I personally believe VA can compete directly against Sun's Workstation Market share. To do this VA will have to work with Unix Workstation customers who are accustomed to the Hardware Vendor providing OS support as well. Providing that OS level of support will be attractive, providing your own distro or closely aligning with a RedHat (etc.), would be more attractive to that same customer.
You want to sell the complete package, not just another Computer. If you are just selling another computer, the customer can go to Dell. If you are selling a complete solution, and provide the best support possible, customers will stay for life.
Sorry for the rant you probably know all this already:) I just think that VALinux is a Kickass company that is poised to take off. I wish them the best of luck
Rob.
watch your ticker for RHAT
Nope,
There's not a thing you can do about it. Why?
It takes more than one person to make a difference, and nobody cares to.
Those are just the facts, I personally email every congrassman, and state legislator I can, whenever something like this come's up (I did for this action too). Unfortunately my email is apparently one of four:(
Until we reach a point where the general population does something more than just complain, it will always be the same.
My personal recommendation if you are not discouraged by now, is to take the initiative and find out who your state reps' are, and email them.
Hell we will spend four hours sweating over HOWTO's over one little doohickey, but we can't spend 2 minutes searching with altavista? Take that 2 minutes. Maybe you won't make a difference with your emails, but I tell you from experience, you'll feel more justified when you complain, cuz you actually tried to do something about it.
peaCe
"These text have nothing to do with the real world"
Yes, except for the following:
Networking Essentials
TCP/IP
and about %35 of IIS 4.
"I love how they turn a blind eye to unix and other systems"
THEY DON'T! They acknowledge other systems and you must have a basic understanding of them, you are even tested on it, WHY? you ask. So you can intergrate NT with other OS's, and then move them out the door. More than a year ago MCSE tests really stressed intergration with Novell, you really had to understand ALOT about Novell. Now it is shifting to knowing and understanding Unix. MicroSoft wants the MCSE to know the competition, integrate with it, then eventually trash it.
Reasons for IPO "dumper" past couple of days.
.com IPO's are a dime a dozen now, and people are being more cautious.
1. Timing, end of the summer is always a bad time, people generally cash in investments, and then reinvest in Fall.
2. Interest rate hike, nuff said.
3. the infamous ".com" IPO.
4. Company Financials, the most promising IPO released yesterday was 1800-Flowers, but check their financial report, it's abosultely bleeding red.
I don't think RedHat will do as good as analyst orginally predicted, spike possibly high as a hundred first couple of days. I do expect it to do OK.
Also, if RedHat doesn't do that well, hold on to it. I believe RedHat stock will do well enough in the near future for myself to at least make a small profit.
Just realize the first week of trading is gonna be frantic. With these times of the "day trader", you know it never actually hurts to hold onto the stock for more than a few weeks or months.
Just my rant.. later:)
If it makes you feel anybetter I wasn't invited by RedHat, but I am a diehard Linux supporter.
Also, wait after a week the price will drop. Also end of August is ALWAYS a bad time for the market. Buy then it will be low.
PeaCe
I put in for 700 share's at $12.00 range, of course it
will probably be higher, but hopefully not too much.
To the above poster, man I'm crossing my fingers for ya... STAY UNDER $14.50 (rubbing my mojo:)
peaCe
"Not to disagree with you, Kit"
Ok I'll say it. I disagree with both Kit and Chris, as their website clearly statues "VA Linux OS".
"VA is not in the distribution business We have our own load (based on Red Hat)"
According to the LinuxMandrake folks, you have a bonafide distribution:)
I believe a VALinux distribution could only benefit VALinux. As the number of distibutions is growing quite considerably, VALinux has the opportunity to grab Linux and become "the" distribution offering both Hardware and Software solutions, similiar to a Sun Microsystems. As the number of distributions continues to grow, I think it has a negative impact on potential customers. Customer's interested in Linux are not going to change their habits too much. VALinux has the opportunity to grab Workstation and MidLevel Server Market share from the likes of Sun, SGI, and MS.
As far as RedHat is concerned; the whole "Linux Portal" plan was blown when they failed to aquire the linux.com domain. RedHat Linux Software will probably not make it either. RedHat can make their distribution THE userfriendly distro, but there will always be someone to download all that hardwork, change the logo's, and ask Macmillan to distribute for $20 bucks less. All under the guise of "supporting linux".
I honestly don't think Linux will gain wide acceptance in the business world until a dominant player stands out, VALinux probably has the best chance of being that player (RedHat a close second depending on the choices they make). I personally would like to see Linux gain that acceptance, I would love to be able to use Linux at work, as opposed to just at home.
..but that's just my $0.00.
You mean to tell me with all of Bill Gates Innovations, and contributions to personal computing he still get's ranked lower than Linus?
Well at least he beat out Saddam, however both
ranked lower than Elvis and Hitler.
(no this is not serious:)
Ok lemme see now...
$1950 a month rent, but free drycleaning... or
$450 a month rent, and pay for drycleaning...
yup, staying right here in Sunny Florida.
I don't think you can compare the two, Linux and NT.
NT rode not the "fad train", but the "marketing train" of empty promises. NT can (and will) work if placed in the correct role, however MicroSoft tried to pawn it off prematurely as the "BE ALL, DO ALL" Operating System. I have no doubt that Linux will be able to fulfill any roles it is forced into.
What will hold Linux back are the amount of distributions, coupled with IT Manager mentality. I personally work for a large telecommications company, and ran into some "heat" awhile back for trying to implement an "unsupported" application.
The unsupported application was 'gzip'. I was told 'compress' was the authorized choice.
Companies looking to purchase Linux as an OS Solution are going to look for a dominant company, that can provide all support great and small. You have a few dominant commercial choices, RH, Caldera, and SuSE, however I don't believe they are yet equipped to handle Corporate Support. I think RH may be the closest right now, but my experience with their support has been mediocre.
I believe VALinux will truly be the one to watch, they have a tested formula, selling hardware and OS (own version of linux now). If they can provide the same level, or better support as the Big Vendors (Sun, SGI, HP..etc), they will certainely do well.
Just my take on it:)
Whoa.. don't read so much into that one phrase:) I completely understand the inaccuracy facet of IPO offerings, my intent was only to prepare those not familiar with Etrade's process not to be shocked by the fact that they have to Refresh a Web page "today (Monday)" at work:)
And yes it is the "ultimate Book operation", I agree wholeheartedly:)
Ok, first my opinion is the mistake was miscomminucation between RedHat and Etrade, nothing more. Etrade has a set of rules and guidelines for customer's investing in IPO offerings (whether I agree with them or not). RedHat should've checked out what those guidelines were before blindly sending out emails to individuals and telling them to sign up to accounts.
Now what sorta stinks is Etrade's policy, first they do not tell you when the IPO is going to be offered. You have to make a general guess, and sit in front of your computer and refresh the IPO current offering's page. You have about two hours to fill out a ten question profile to see if you qualify. These restrictions have loosened a bit, so more might get in. Etrade "suggests" you hold the stock for at least 30 days, but will not restrict you from selling earlier than 30 days. Be warned if you sell within 30 days, it might effect your chances of future offerings. Companies want long term investors, and they are not going to allow Etrade to offer IPO if Etrade customer's are wannabe day traders.
Also remember Etrade wants you to invest at least 100 shares or $1000 minimum (I am not TOTALLY SURE ON THIS NUMBER but close). If you don't have that kind of money my recommendation is if you have some friends you REALLY TRUST! go in together under one account. Preferbly in the name of someone with some long term trading background, as they will more likely be accepted for IPO offerings. Just say "Hey I got $500, you got $500 let's pool are money together and buy". I would agree beforehand on when to sell, (ie when it hit's $62 a share or drops by $5 whatever comes first).
Whatever you do, don't let the system get you down, and prevent you from making the investments you want. It's to easy to say "Screw this, this is a pain in the ass". Just remember, the system was designed by the Rich, for the Rich. Joe's (and Jane's) like us just have to work harder within the system, and we can do it.
A person is judged by their actions. "If your gonna talk the talk, you must walk the walk". I am really surprised how so many self declared leaders of Open Source are stating that MicroSoft is right. No they are not. MicroSoft is not interested in Open Source or Universal standards. MicroSoft is only concerned with controlling standards, posting quarterly profits, and pleasing shareholders.
If Microsoft is so concerned with IM standards how come they decided to make their IM compatiable with AOL and NOT Yahoo or Prodigy. I will tell you why, because they want access to AOL's 40 Million Users.
Here is what will happen if a standard is set:
Microsoft will adhere to the standard for about a year, that is how long it takes before people drop AIM like a rock, because MSIM has been incorporated into Win99 (released first quater 2001).
MicroSoft will then add "features" that go against the standard, but who cares. MicroSoft is the only one left making the damn thing, because it's another "feature integrated" into their OS.
I am all for Open Source but give me a break. Linux has yet to hit it's first Major Obstacle (Fragmentation), and that should rear it's ugly head pretty damn soon. All these so-called distributions that are touting how their all for open source, until one day they wake up and say "Oh shit", we can make money from this and all we have to do is download RedHat, add KDE, and compile with PGCC. Now their offering their distributions in stores for $29.99.
About the only Company I see "making" it from Open Source is VaLinux. VA sells hardware right? wrong, go check their webpage, no more RedHat, now you get VA OS Linux 6.0. One stop shopping, hardware, and OS, with support. Now a company doesn't need to worry about BlueHat, or GirlDrake or anyone of the 100+ distributions that will be available. All they have to do is get their OS from their Hardware Vendor.
But who cares, between Stallman bitching about the Damn name of an OS he didn't write, to Perens whining about ESR for God only knows what, or ESR and this blind, noforsight support of MS, and the X number of other times he's jumped the gun on something only to release a public "amendment" to his orginal statement(apple open source anyone).
peace.
BTW, I am thankful for the contributions of those above, however I don't look up to them as some Open Source Deity. One for writing some HELLA GREAT CODE, one for a great Essay (C&B), who tried to make companies understand, and the other... for airing open source dirty laundry to the public.
Buslogic(Mylex),
Has always had great support for Linux. They released a Linux Support statement a couple of years back (Linux SCSI HOWTO I Think). I personally think the Adaptec Cards are horribly overpriced(hyped).
It will be interesting to see what IBM does with Mylex.
I use Linux because it works. I personally support AOL decision, why? They are in the business of making money, and they compete with others in the same business. I find it beneficial for technology when companies are finally learning how to compete with MicroSoft.
It allows more competition, which spawns development, and advancements. Not just lame buggy features.
Microsoft doesn't want a standard, they just want to have access to AOL's IM users. So they can start pumping the 21 million with MS advertisements.
AOL has not hindered the community in integrating such open source programs such as GAIM. AOL is just defending it's profits and future. That's what businesses do.
I really like open source, and support ALOT of open source ideals, but I don't see it as the be all, end all solution either.
Just my $0.00:)
One last thing, "microsoft haters". What's wrong with disliking Microsoft? A company is only as good as the products and services they offer. I personally dislike them because "I" think there products are poor. Just like I dislike Pepsi. When MicroSoft releases a product that "I" believe is worth a damn I will purchase it. Until then, I like Microsoft as much as I like their products.
Before everyone starts flaming AOL for this request, just realize they are just prepping for the possibility of a trial.
I agree in that I rather see client side filters that people have the "choice" of using, as opposed to government or FCC regulations.
The problem lies in the fact that while CyberPatrol does not make guarantees, they are misleading customers, as well as, being lazy with their coding as to block entire domains.
ok, bad example... actually show's where the real problems is:) hehe.