"Personally, I like the smarter users, they don't make idiotic mistakes such as bad passwords, and install software. They understand rules better and what is implied in them, along with their consequences."
AGREED! After reading my orginal post a second time I don't think I got across my point. Using "Educated" was a poor choice, "Dangerous" would've been more appropriate. Those individuals that know just enough to try something "cool", but don't know quite enough that they shouldn't.
The problem lies not only with those users, but ultimately with the impotence of our IS department.
Here's a cool example. IS does auditing of Web traffic so they can bring in some cool charts that show user's visiting unauthorized (porn etc.) sites at the next director's meeting, thereby getting the "OK" to further restrict net access. Unfortunately, after a month of auditing, the only users visiting unauthorized sites were the directors themselves:(
My perspective as stated below was to accept that a larger audience may read this, not just computer junkies like myself. So to use Word as opposed to say MultiMate, someone out there may say "oohh, those that just use it for email and doc's".
ServerOS meaning NT, Linux, BSD etc. I purposely used "ServerOS" as specifically mentioning a specific operating system in ANY post seems to attract some petty responses, as well as to accept that a larger audience reads slashdot, not just computer junkies as myself.
This article and some posts really point to the computer user of old. The Word, Excel, PP types.
The article touched on a more disturbing trend I have seen. Educated Users (or somewhat). Those users who are running Server OS's at home, and understand how to circumvent Security SOP's. I see users bring in modems from home and hook them up. People dialing out of the company to their NT or *nix boxes at home with dedicated inet connections.
I can deal with users who are want to argue why is a bad passwd. It is the users who are more educated and tend to forget that the workstation/network they use at work, is not theirs.
Ok, here is the solution to ALL disputes. Everyone on the planet earth declare Billy the winner, and king of the world. Then and only then will this nonsense stop.
"The only thing that I see that they still do is hand out IP addresses. "
How do end users receive email? How do end users access usenet? When an end user has a problem who do they contact?
"I would argue that 'always on' internet access, via cable modem and DSL is, in fact, a direct connection to the internet. And, with that, nobody needs an "Internet Service Provider,"
Ok, I have an IP address under Windows95, now what can I do with it? I have an IP, no registered host, have no clue what a "gateway" or "dns" is... And now some telco customer support guy telling me that I can't get email because I have to set up something called "sendmail"?
Do you really want a phone company controlling the last mile? These are the same guys who held out releasing DSL, because they were making so much on ISDN. Support through ANY phone company is absolutely horrible at best, and non-existant at worst.
I would rather have a startup ISP, who is putting blood, sweat, and tears into their business, control the last mile. Not some bloated monopolistic telco that is now scared, because they see their outdated technology being replaced.
Agreed, however after reading it twice they still wouldn't understand.
Yes my OS doesn't have the fastest GUI, and it wasn't coded by 4000 paid employee's, and hell it might not be the best... but you know what? I didn't pay a damn thing for it. So who cares.
If I drove around a station wagon with a cracked windshield, that I got for free... I wouldn't bitch one bit. I would keep driving to work with the biggest damn smile on my face. Just laughing on the inside to all those fools who had to pay for their cars.
I lived in Panama, Central America for three years. I had direct contact with Kuna Indians who live throughout that country, in some really harsh conditions.
I'm sure in a U.N. utopia they would all be buying cars online. Unfortunately, to the dismay of the U.N, they spend their time worrying about having enough food, and possibly educating their children.
We are talking about a movie, right? I think StarWars was a little like Independence Day. One of the best B rated films of it's time. It had all the special effects, and a mediocre story line. Good vs. Bad, not very complicated. But hell most of us were 7 years old when we saw it, and we had never seen anything like it. It was just plain AWESOME!
Somewhere along the lines this was lost I think, everyone started personally identifying with the characters. Started getting into the books. In such a way that now in our late 20's, Phantom Menace comes along, and instead of a "cool" movie with special effects, we expect some Oscar winning epic on the lines of BraveHeart.
My best friend took his 5 and 10 year old to see it, they loved it as much as I did StarWars... I hope it stays that way with them.
So let me understand this, I can't go to the periodical section and pick up a copy of.. let's say "Hustler". I think we would all agree that "Hustler" really does not belong at a public library. If you want to read(ahem) Hustler, there are places to get it.
Normally when the topic of filtering access comes up. People normally fear (with good reason), that the filtering of legitimate sites is soon to follow. Sites that may promote the Gay Community, or sites that discuss teen pregnacy, or STD's. I don't think this will happen, why? because you can find that content on the bookshelves in the library.
I know it's really sheik to love linux, damn the man, and be a libertarian (I agree with all:), but let's not loose focus. I personally wouldn't want to see my daughter's concentration on research be broken by the bozo next to her cursing over loosing his adult check passwd.
To the above poster it was a "bad business decision".
The decision is only bad if you either, are not happy with it, or regret it. It seems You and Rob are really happy and excited about the decision you made, and I don't think you guys will regret it. So for you two, you made a smart business decision.
You are both doing what you like, and now you can keep doing it, take vacations, and stop eating Ramen:)
Man it seems like just yesterday I was going to Rob's site to download themes and such for E, and check some news blurbs he would post. Then came Slashdot.. and now this... It's really cool to see a couple of Computer Geeks/Hackers really make it on there own, doing what they LOVE to do. Great News Guys, Congrats and keep up the good work! Rob.
It is my belief that MindCraft's integrity is more questionable now, then ever. Why would a company who claims to be impartial to a specific OS platform, take such useless rabble and post it to the public. You cannot honestly tell me that Pro-Microsoft individuals didn't send email to the effect of "GO MindCraft LINUX SUCKS!". I know they did. A friend of mine loves NT and sent one. So why didn't they post that. They are obviously partial to a specific platform and a specific software makers OS, and this is just more proof. Rob.
Ok, if you have seen this movie here are my questions which are also my gripes. 1. Trade Federation blockades planet and wants to invade... why? We are never told what the importance of the planet holds to the Trade Federation, nor are we given any insight on who the hell they really are. 2. Liam Nielson's character, what was his name? I didn't catch his name until half way through the movie (i think)? 3. Sith? uhhh.. ok. Darth Maul (sp)? Not much there... 4. JaJa Binks? what the hell did he say? This guy could have had a good "background" character, instead he was pushed to far into frontstage, and you couldn't understand half of what his dialoge was.."meeza thinkza iza wazza.."..ok. Bottom line fun and entertaining, but plot and character development was non-existant. Am I the only one? Tell me what "yoozaaa thinkzaa".
I think that it is real cool what John is doing. I see him as an artist or musician who is never satisfied with his work, and keeps pushing the envelope. I do however think that someone has lost touch with the "average" gamer. With a majority of people still running P200's, who is this being done for? I personally have 6 computers here at the house, 2 of which are Sparcs, and I would love to see SMP Quake3. I just can't help but thinking of the 16 year old going to a store and reading the side panel of a game... Minimun System Requirements: PIII500 (Dual PII400 Recommended) 96 Megs of Ram (128 Recommended) 12 Meg Frame Buffer (32 Recommended)
Hell and I thought $49 dollars was steep for a game.
Ok, I'm not a big politician fan, but after seeing some of Al Gore's comments, it's refreshing to see someone has some forsight. I think it's hilarious and cool. I also think that it's ashame to see all the negative comments. can't we all just get al..... arrrrgggghh.
I think the main point MicroSoft advocates as well as everyone else has forgotten is that Linux is a FREE operating system, written by hackers. Here we have a multi-billion dollar corporation declaring their Operating System is far better than one that is FREELY distributed on the internet. It damn well should be! And that fact is still debatable. So basically you are here touting how great NT is too a community of users that use a FREE OS. Why not preach in a sun, irix, hpux newsgroup? Ahhhh.. because that's what MicroSoft uses to run there mail servers at that little free internet mail company they purchased. "Rabid advocate" is not a title to be proud of in my opinion, don't you agree?
After mulling around for 40 minutes trying to connect to Xmission and cdrom.com, I said "Hey, I know some kick ass ppl on slashdot have already posted personal mirrors" SLASHDOT READERS are the BEST!
I am a Linux addict, and have been using it for about 3-4 years. I shout from the hilltops of it's benefits, how applications on Windows have comparable counterparts on Linux. Well.. html editors aint one of em'. Have to agree with you there. And since I'm not one to prove my manhood with the "Well I edited bat files with edlin!" sort of thing. I tend to you Macromedia's products on my NT box:). And it must be added that the only thing my NT box sees is html, saved to a shared partition so I may manipulate under Apache, and do my perl thang:). Rob. ps. check out todays err' yesterdays userfriendly, it will hit home with what you were saying:)
The only intelligent arguements against KDE were against the QT libs. I to am against Prop. Libs. BUT QT is NOW free. So there really shouldn't be any arg's left.
I think this is a great move for the Linux community. Though I hope they keep up with Gnome devel, because I personally didn't like using KDE (but hey that is just personal preference).
Couple of the cases remind me of the old lunchbox cases from Sun. I wouldn't mind a couple of those to fill with some older 486 MB/CPU's I have hanging on the wall, would save some space on my shelf. Otherwise I don't think the others are real practical, nor are they innovative just different.
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"Personally, I like the smarter users, they don't make idiotic mistakes such as bad passwords, and install software. They understand rules better and what is implied in them, along with their consequences."
AGREED! After reading my orginal post a second time I don't think I got across my point. Using "Educated" was a poor choice, "Dangerous" would've been more appropriate. Those individuals that know just enough to try something "cool", but don't know quite enough that they shouldn't.
The problem lies not only with those users, but ultimately with the impotence of our IS department.
Here's a cool example. IS does auditing of Web traffic so they can bring in some cool charts that show user's visiting unauthorized (porn etc.) sites at the next director's meeting, thereby getting the "OK" to further restrict net access. Unfortunately, after a month of auditing, the only users visiting unauthorized sites were the directors themselves:(
Of course by your post I see that NOT mentioning an OS has the same results.
My perspective as stated below was to accept that a larger audience may read this, not just computer junkies like myself. So to use Word as opposed to say MultiMate, someone out there may say "oohh, those that just use it for email and doc's".
ServerOS meaning NT, Linux, BSD etc. I purposely used "ServerOS" as specifically mentioning a specific operating system in ANY post seems to attract some petty responses, as well as to accept that a larger audience reads slashdot, not just computer junkies as myself.
This article and some posts really point to the computer user of old. The Word, Excel, PP types.
The article touched on a more disturbing trend I have seen. Educated Users (or somewhat). Those users who are running Server OS's at home, and understand how to circumvent Security SOP's. I see users bring in modems from home and hook them up. People dialing out of the company to their NT or *nix boxes at home with dedicated inet connections.
I can deal with users who are want to argue why is a bad passwd. It is the users who are more educated and tend to forget that the workstation/network they use at work, is not theirs.
Ok, here is the solution to ALL disputes. Everyone on the planet earth declare Billy the winner, and king of the world. Then and only then will this nonsense stop.
:)
haha.
"The only thing that I see that they still do is hand out IP addresses. "
How do end users receive email? How do end users access usenet? When an end user has a problem who do they contact?
"I would argue that 'always on' internet access, via cable modem and DSL is, in fact, a direct connection to the internet. And, with that, nobody needs an "Internet Service Provider,"
Ok, I have an IP address under Windows95, now what can I do with it? I have an IP, no registered host, have no clue what a "gateway" or "dns" is... And now some telco customer support guy telling me that I can't get email because I have to set up something called "sendmail"?
Do you really want a phone company controlling the last mile? These are the same guys who held out releasing DSL, because they were making so much on ISDN. Support through ANY phone company is absolutely horrible at best, and non-existant at worst.
I would rather have a startup ISP, who is putting blood, sweat, and tears into their business, control the last mile. Not some bloated monopolistic telco that is now scared, because they see their outdated technology being replaced.
Definitely NOT MY EMPLOYERS OPINION:)
Agreed, however after reading it twice they still wouldn't understand.
Yes my OS doesn't have the fastest GUI, and it wasn't coded by 4000 paid employee's, and hell it might not be the best... but you know what? I didn't pay a damn thing for it. So who cares.
If I drove around a station wagon with a cracked windshield, that I got for free... I wouldn't bitch one bit. I would keep driving to work with the biggest damn smile on my face. Just laughing on the inside to all those fools who had to pay for their cars.
I lived in Panama, Central America for three years. I had direct contact with Kuna Indians who live throughout that country, in some really harsh conditions.
I'm sure in a U.N. utopia they would all be buying cars online. Unfortunately, to the dismay of the U.N, they spend their time worrying about having enough food, and possibly educating their children.
There has always been discussions in the past of Linux fragmenting like Unix... how may distro's now:
Caldera
Debian (aka Stormix)
RedHat (aka Linux Mandrake)
Slackware
Stampede
Suse
I know I am missing some help me out...
We are talking about a movie, right? I think
StarWars was a little like Independence Day.
One of the best B rated films of it's time. It
had all the special effects, and a mediocre story
line. Good vs. Bad, not very complicated. But
hell most of us were 7 years old when we saw it,
and we had never seen anything like it. It was
just plain AWESOME!
Somewhere along the lines this was lost I think,
everyone started personally identifying with the
characters. Started getting into the books. In
such a way that now in our late 20's, Phantom
Menace comes along, and instead of a "cool" movie
with special effects, we expect some Oscar winning
epic on the lines of BraveHeart.
My best friend took his 5 and 10 year old to see
it, they loved it as much as I did StarWars... I
hope it stays that way with them.
So let me understand this, I can't go to the
periodical section and pick up a copy of.. let's
say "Hustler". I think we would all agree that
"Hustler" really does not belong at a public
library. If you want to read(ahem) Hustler, there
are places to get it.
Normally when the topic of filtering access comes
up. People normally fear (with good reason), that
the filtering of legitimate sites is soon to
follow. Sites that may promote the Gay Community,
or sites that discuss teen pregnacy, or STD's.
I don't think this will happen, why? because you
can find that content on the bookshelves in the
library.
I know it's really sheik to love linux, damn the
man, and be a libertarian (I agree with all:), but
let's not loose focus. I personally wouldn't want to see my daughter's concentration on research be broken by the bozo next to her cursing over loosing his adult check passwd.
Just my thoughts.
Hemos,
To the above poster it was a "bad business decision".
The decision is only bad if you either, are not happy with it, or regret it. It seems You and Rob are really happy and excited about the decision you made, and I don't think you guys will regret it. So for you two, you made a smart business decision.
You are both doing what you like, and now you can keep doing it, take vacations, and stop eating Ramen:)
Rob.
Man it seems like just yesterday I was going to Rob's site to download themes and such for E, and check some news blurbs he would post. Then came Slashdot.. and now this... It's really cool to see a couple of Computer Geeks/Hackers really make it on there own, doing what they LOVE to do. Great News Guys, Congrats and keep up the good work! Rob.
It is my belief that MindCraft's integrity is more questionable now, then ever. Why would a company who claims to be impartial to a specific OS platform, take such useless rabble and post it to the public. You cannot honestly tell me that Pro-Microsoft individuals didn't send email to the effect of "GO MindCraft LINUX SUCKS!". I know they did. A friend of mine loves NT and sent one. So why didn't they post that. They are obviously partial to a specific platform and a specific software makers OS, and this is just more proof. Rob.
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla... give me a break.
Ok, if you have seen this movie here are my questions which are also my gripes. 1. Trade Federation blockades planet and wants to invade... why? We are never told what the importance of the planet holds to the Trade Federation, nor are we given any insight on who the hell they really are. 2. Liam Nielson's character, what was his name? I didn't catch his name until half way through the movie (i think)? 3. Sith? uhhh.. ok. Darth Maul (sp)? Not much there... 4. JaJa Binks? what the hell did he say? This guy could have had a good "background" character, instead he was pushed to far into frontstage, and you couldn't understand half of what his dialoge was.."meeza thinkza iza wazza.." ..ok. Bottom line fun and entertaining, but plot and character development was non-existant. Am I the only one? Tell me what "yoozaaa thinkzaa".
I think that it is real cool what John is doing. I see him as an artist or musician who is never satisfied with his work, and keeps pushing the envelope. I do however think that someone has lost touch with the "average" gamer. With a majority of people still running P200's, who is this being done for? I personally have 6 computers here at the house, 2 of which are Sparcs, and I would love to see SMP Quake3. I just can't help but thinking of the 16 year old going to a store and reading the side panel of a game...
Minimun System Requirements:
PIII500 (Dual PII400 Recommended)
96 Megs of Ram (128 Recommended)
12 Meg Frame Buffer (32 Recommended)
Hell and I thought $49 dollars was steep for a game.
Ok, I'm not a big politician fan, but after seeing some of Al Gore's comments, it's refreshing to see someone has some forsight. I think it's hilarious and cool. I also think that it's ashame to see all the negative comments. can't we all just get al... .. arrrrgggghh.
I think the main point MicroSoft advocates as well as everyone else has forgotten is that Linux is a FREE operating system, written by hackers. Here we have a multi-billion dollar corporation declaring their Operating System is far better than one that is FREELY distributed on the internet. It damn well should be! And that fact is still debatable. So basically you are here touting how great NT is too a community of users that use a FREE OS. Why not preach in a sun, irix, hpux newsgroup? Ahhhh.. because that's what MicroSoft uses to run there mail servers at that little free internet mail company they purchased. "Rabid advocate" is not a title to be proud of in my opinion, don't you agree?
After mulling around for 40 minutes trying to connect to Xmission and cdrom.com, I said "Hey, I know some kick ass ppl on slashdot have already posted personal mirrors" SLASHDOT READERS are the BEST!
I am a Linux addict, and have been using it for about 3-4 years. I shout from the hilltops of it's benefits, how applications on Windows have comparable counterparts on Linux. Well.. html editors aint one of em'. Have to agree with you there. And since I'm not one to prove my manhood with the "Well I edited bat files with edlin!" sort of thing. I tend to you Macromedia's products on my NT box:). And it must be added that the only thing my NT box sees is html, saved to a shared partition so I may manipulate under Apache, and do my perl thang:). Rob. ps. check out todays err' yesterdays userfriendly, it will hit home with what you were saying:)
The only intelligent arguements against KDE were against the QT libs. I to am against Prop. Libs.
BUT QT is NOW free. So there really shouldn't be any arg's left.
I think this is a great move for the Linux community. Though I hope they keep up with Gnome devel, because I personally didn't like using KDE (but hey that is just personal preference).
Couple of the cases remind me of the old lunchbox cases from Sun. I wouldn't mind a couple of those to fill with some older 486 MB/CPU's I have hanging on the wall, would save some space on my shelf. Otherwise I don't think the others are real practical, nor are they innovative just different.