Re:Opera - kind of a sad story in a way?
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"Firefox has *never* been about out-of-the-box features."
Which is both good and bad. Good because you get a clean program to start with. Bad because extensions are extremely unreliable and buggy, and clutter up the thing. And besides, Opera is as clean as Firefox by default now anyway. And it's still a smaller download (and that's including the Flash plugin which is almost a meg).
"A few features were present in Opera before Firefox, but certainly not most."
Yes, definitely most. And did you see the new features in 1.5. It's like the Firefox devs went to Opera's site, read through their features, and copied them right over!
"I'll give you tabs, but what about Web Developer, live RSS bookmarks, advanced javascript debugger, etc?"
There is a web dev toolbar for Opera, but what do users care? Opera had RSS before Firefox. A debugger is not "innovative". It doesn't help the web experience either. And it is not a Firefox first either, sorry.
"Firefox, both through the browser and through extensions, has innovated the web browser more than anybody since Netscape. Look at AdBlock, GreaseMonkey and ColorZilla... I know many people who would be lost without those extensions."
GreaseMonkey is a ripoff of Opera's User JS. AdBlock has been done to death in other browsers too. ColorZilla? A color picker? Hehe, well... No, that's not innovative either. I had a panel for that in Opera ages ago:)
"It's simply not fair to compare Firefox without extensions when they are such an important part of the browser. Once you do compare extensions it's plainly obvious that no other browser comes close to matching Firefox's featureset."
Yeah, dare I say untested, buggy feature set? At least Opera is a streamlined package, properly tested by professionals.
Perhaps you should actually try Opera before commenting. The e-mail client, for example, is hidden by default. You won't notice that it's there unless you actually activate it by creating amail account. In fact, Opera hides all power functionality by default, so the interface is very clean. It is certainly cleaner than the button mess that is Konqueror.
Those who claim that Opera is cluttered haven't tried the latest versions.
So, what if Google had paid for these stories from wire services, published them on google.com, and automatically filtered out other news publications carrying the same text?
Google could link to only original stories on other news sites.
That would be awesome, I think. These whining news publications would notice reduced traffic because "everyone" would just use Google News for their news needs most of the time anyway.
(Note: I don't know if Google News is actually popular enough that it would make a difference, but I'm assuming that this is the case above.)
Which is why you should do the right thing: Check the facts. Look at the editing history. Don't believe something just because it's WIRTTEN ON TEH INTARWEB.
Wikipedia, by its nature, forces you to do this. And that is a good thing!
Also, they should ban Sony, seeing as they always start exaggerating and lying. Remember the fantastic PS2 that never delivered what they promised at E3? PS3 looks to be the same. Sony shows some pre-rendered crap and pretends that it's PlayStation. Gamer press goes nuts. Sony releases console a while later, and people found that it was a lie. Yet they buy the thing. And the cycle continues the next time.
So why do people lose mod points then? I suddenly stopped getting mod points, and never figured out why. No explanation or anything.
I realize, of course, that moderators are plentiful and eager, so it's not like you need to listen to people who lose mod points. They can't do anything about it anyway. They can complain and complain as they always do, and you can just be a wall.
But do people just stop getting mod points for no reason what so ever?
"But there's a catch-22 here: Change the site to deal with a growing population and risk wrecking what it was that made it successful in the first place?"
So the bad spelling and grammar are what made Slashdot successful in the first place?
You are making it sound like the site depends on bad grammar to survive and thrive. I disagree. People will stop complaining about it, the site will look better. So what if people complain about other things? Maybe those need to be addressed too? Just because there's always something to complain about doesn't mean that those complaints are not valid.
"It's not that I disrespect the readers who consider grammar to equal quality. It's not that I want to confuse readers who have english as a second language."
You are confusing readers who do not have English as a first language, since these people are used to proper English.
"It's because Slashdot as a style that I think it needs to maintain. This is just one of dozens of details that I think make the site what it is."
Spelling and grammar errors make the site what it is? I disagree. Not only that, but it detracts from the site, and I know several people who stopped coming here because of things like these.
"ID's premise is not that there're things science can't explain, but that there're specific things which science has explained... are impossible. Nevertheless, they exist."
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here.
1. Something which does exist is actually impossible, according to scientists?
2. Something which does exist has not been explained by science?
Neither of these prove anything about ID. In the case of 1, no, science has not proven that something that exists does not exist. So that is a false claim if that what you were saying. If you are trying to say 2, then the key word here is that it has not yet been explained by science. Which is the whole point here. Just because science lacks an explanation for something now doesn't mean that it is magic.
You are making a fool of yourself as usual. Here's what you called Opera's implementation:
"THEIR SHITTY CONCEPT"
Except it isn't their concept at all. Opera simply sticks to the MDI standard.
"when I close a tab Opera doesn't move back to the previous tab, but may jump 5 tabs to the left because a bunch of idiots say "Thats the way its supposed to be!""
It moves to the previously active tab because that's the way MDI works. I've already explained this to you, but apparently you are too much of a moron to understand this.
"You are a complete retard if you think everybody must love it your way."
I didn't say that you had to love it. I said that you should stop making a fool of yourself by claiming that this is something Opera did just like that without taking older implementations into consideration.
"Its totally stupid and illogical to me"
Going to the previously active tab is actually completely logical and predictable (predictable is good).
"I encourage moderators to use their points to mod these discussions down when they see them."
Well, as someone who suddenly lost mod rights seemingly for no reason what so ever, all I can say is:
See you in metamod, beotches;)
When people have discussed Beatles-Beatles's spam, I've found the discussions interesting, and it's not like there is any other way to discuss and criticize Slashdot itself than in normal stories...
Heck, the fact that people keep modding up these criticims in the first place might be the only reason why the Slashdot dictators notice that something is going on!
For example, apparently stripping users of mod rights for no apparent reason and with no explanation.
Regarding BitTorrent, Opera is supposed to support that in the next version. Or you could get the smaller, faster uTorrent, which is far better than BitComet in my opinion
"There was the initial excitement about its speed and the nice screen and then it came time to actually get it running. Which meant embarking on some real work - downloading a browser, a couple of multimedia players, a PDF reader, a toolbar, and maybe something for voice and instant messaging."
I don't know about everyone else, but my copy of Windows XP came with a browser, a multimedia player, and an instant messaging program. And believe it or not, but I'd pick Windows Media Player over the evil spyware infested Real Player any day.
I'd download Opera separately for my browsing needs anyway, though.
"We worked with a number of technology companies to identify products that are the best of their type to create this suite."
As an Opera user, I'd have to disagree with their choice of browser. Heck, it's even smaller and faster, yet more powerful and user friendly than Firefox out of the box. But of course, the Google toolbar doesn't support Opera...
Oh yeah, and their choice of antivirus software and multimedia player sucks too. They chose the worst there, not the best. I think that someone is not telling us the full story... Are we supposed to believe that Google did this out of the kindness of their hearts? If that was the case, the pack would have looked a bit different if you ask me.
You should get a clue instead of ranting and raving like the mad Firefox fanboiiii that you are. Try MDI some time, and you might understand a little more than you do today (which is close to nothing).
Opera's tab ordering is done the way it has always been done in MDI applications. Before making a complete fool of yourself again, try some other MDI app, and you'll realize the error of your pathetic, whiny ways.
The way Opera handles tabs is not just something they came up with. It's the way real MDI works. It's the right way. It is Firefox which is forcing its shitty concept on people.
You don't have to be an insider to know that Firefox and Opera don't support WMF files, nor do they use Windows to draw images. To be affected when using Opera or Firefox you'll have to click a link to a WMF file and choose to open it in Windows.
"You browse a site (with any browser), Windows fails to render the WMF (which it will recognize even if the filename says JPG), runs the specified failure code, and you're hacked."
No you aren't. Not if you are using Firefox or Opera. They don't use Windows to render WMF. They don't support the format at all. They will simply fail to display the image.
"So, opera makes Google the default homepage for it's mobile browsers.
What's so special about this? FireFox did it without an agreement"
No they didn't. Mozilla got good money for making Google the default startup page. And Mozilla makes money every time you do a search from the search box in Firefox.
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Those who claim that Opera is cluttered haven't tried the latest versions.
Google could link to only original stories on other news sites.
That would be awesome, I think. These whining news publications would notice reduced traffic because "everyone" would just use Google News for their news needs most of the time anyway.
(Note: I don't know if Google News is actually popular enough that it would make a difference, but I'm assuming that this is the case above.)
Have you actually tried the latest version of Opera, or are you just spreading the tired old Mozilla fan meme about Opera's "terrible interface"?
Wikipedia, by its nature, forces you to do this. And that is a good thing!
The urge to have sex with someone is not the urge to hurt them. Unless you are into S/M of course.
Also, they should ban Sony, seeing as they always start exaggerating and lying. Remember the fantastic PS2 that never delivered what they promised at E3? PS3 looks to be the same. Sony shows some pre-rendered crap and pretends that it's PlayStation. Gamer press goes nuts. Sony releases console a while later, and people found that it was a lie. Yet they buy the thing. And the cycle continues the next time.
If they stopped posting dupes and trupes/tripes, the site would die!
:-)
I realize, of course, that moderators are plentiful and eager, so it's not like you need to listen to people who lose mod points. They can't do anything about it anyway. They can complain and complain as they always do, and you can just be a wall.
But do people just stop getting mod points for no reason what so ever?
You are making it sound like the site depends on bad grammar to survive and thrive. I disagree. People will stop complaining about it, the site will look better. So what if people complain about other things? Maybe those need to be addressed too? Just because there's always something to complain about doesn't mean that those complaints are not valid.
You are confusing readers who do not have English as a first language, since these people are used to proper English. Spelling and grammar errors make the site what it is? I disagree. Not only that, but it detracts from the site, and I know several people who stopped coming here because of things like these.Yet again you have been caught lying and making up bogus stories.
1. Something which does exist is actually impossible, according to scientists?
2. Something which does exist has not been explained by science?
Neither of these prove anything about ID. In the case of 1, no, science has not proven that something that exists does not exist. So that is a false claim if that what you were saying. If you are trying to say 2, then the key word here is that it has not yet been explained by science. Which is the whole point here. Just because science lacks an explanation for something now doesn't mean that it is magic.
"Not fully understanding how something works does not mean the explanation must then be magic"
Surely you know about this little something called "mutation"? Um yes, that's exactly what the theory of evolution explains."THEIR SHITTY CONCEPT"
Except it isn't their concept at all. Opera simply sticks to the MDI standard.
It moves to the previously active tab because that's the way MDI works. I've already explained this to you, but apparently you are too much of a moron to understand this. I didn't say that you had to love it. I said that you should stop making a fool of yourself by claiming that this is something Opera did just like that without taking older implementations into consideration. Going to the previously active tab is actually completely logical and predictable (predictable is good).See you in metamod, beotches ;)
When people have discussed Beatles-Beatles's spam, I've found the discussions interesting, and it's not like there is any other way to discuss and criticize Slashdot itself than in normal stories...
Heck, the fact that people keep modding up these criticims in the first place might be the only reason why the Slashdot dictators notice that something is going on!
For example, apparently stripping users of mod rights for no apparent reason and with no explanation.
Yeah, I'm bitter ;)
Regarding BitTorrent, Opera is supposed to support that in the next version. Or you could get the smaller, faster uTorrent, which is far better than BitComet in my opinion
I'd download Opera separately for my browsing needs anyway, though.
As an Opera user, I'd have to disagree with their choice of browser. Heck, it's even smaller and faster, yet more powerful and user friendly than Firefox out of the box. But of course, the Google toolbar doesn't support Opera...Oh yeah, and their choice of antivirus software and multimedia player sucks too. They chose the worst there, not the best. I think that someone is not telling us the full story... Are we supposed to believe that Google did this out of the kindness of their hearts? If that was the case, the pack would have looked a bit different if you ask me.
Opera's tab ordering is done the way it has always been done in MDI applications. Before making a complete fool of yourself again, try some other MDI app, and you'll realize the error of your pathetic, whiny ways.
The way Opera handles tabs is not just something they came up with. It's the way real MDI works. It's the right way. It is Firefox which is forcing its shitty concept on people.
"How do you plan on making money when a free, open source product is directly competing with you?"
Opera is free as in beer now. Open source is irrelevant to most people. And competition doesn't mean that one can't make money.
Remember the Mozilla Corporation and how it was formed recently? They want to make money too!
So basically, your question was just completely stupid because Opera is freeware now.
Opera and Firefox are cross-platform browsers. No, they do not fall back to gdi32.dll.
Where exactly does "sans" state differently?