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IE 7.0 Beta 2 Available to the Public
spyrochaete writes "Microsoft has just made available their latest beta preview build of their Internet Explorer 7.0 web browser. New features such as tabbed browsing and RSS subscription are summarized in an animated tour. MS welcomes feedback at the Internet Explorer 7 newsgroup." There's also a Channel 9 interview available, as well as commentary on the IEBlog. Update: 01/31 19:58 GMT by Z : prostoalex wrote in with a link to a review of the release at PC Magazine.
I will repeat my earlier sentiment. Windows update with tabs and RSS, yipee!
Once again I will return to browsing the internet with Firefox.
If this signature is witty enough, maybe somebody will like me.
Way to lead the pack MS!!!!
http://religiousfreaks.com/How do they fare in the ACID2 test, compared to their old bloody (everything's red, it must be blood!) result? Can anyone post a screenshot?
Okay, first start it up, and you get a web site with a broken image and 'errors on page'. Nice.
:( The fonts _look_ nice, though, unless they're italic, then they're hard to read. Definitely some font issues going on here.
Somewhat goofy interface, reminiscent of Opera. Oy. How do I turn off these cartoony buttons?
Built-in phishing protection = good
Okay, load the company's homepage:
Layout seems perfect.
Uhoh - dig the heavy main font; THAT ain't right. Something as basic as font weight is fucked up? Very bad. It looks like everything is bolded now.
It's also slower with the menu changing background colours. Probably because of debugging code in the beta. I hope.
Okay, quick check to see if IE6 is still on here...aaaannddd...of course not. Fuckers. Okay, let's check in Firefox, yep, what I thought. IE7 is messing up some of the menu's CSS effects - sometimes putting an underline under some of the items when it shouldn't. Still beta, so no biggie.
Okay, load company site 2:
More sophisticated layout, layout still fine. Good.
Okay, load company site 3:
Much more sophisticated layout, and front page layout looks fine, but visited link colour is wrong.
Built-in close-tab X on each tab, but only when focused on that tab. Better than default FF behaviour, but they should take a look at Tab Mix Plus extension features.
Okay, let's check the Options!
Popup blocker defaults to off? Bleh.
Prompt to save passwords on forms defaults to off? Bleh.
AHA - font problem solved - installing IE7 turns on ClearType: MONDO STUPID. Turn of ClearType, restart, fonts are back to normal. Whew.
Okay, so, it seems to load Slashdot well enough.
It remembers many IE6 settings, but others (like preferred fonts) it does not. Not a biggie for a beta.
So, all in all, not bad for the first public beta.
Same ctrl-T to open new tab as in FF. Bueno.
Some AdSense advertisers are complaining that IE7 has a built in adblocker specifically targetting Google's ads. Can anyone confirm this?
Torrent pls?
Doesn't bode well when I'm getting Javascript errors at the IE7 tour page and in the tour pages. I do like the quick tabs. They seem like they'll be pretty useful. Lets hope the the security measures really help secure our PCs and not open us up to new attacks.
For some reason I refuse to use either spell check or the spacebar properly.
IE7 final release available here
http://www.opera.com/
and
http://www.mozilla.org/
I still like seamonkey better http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/news.htm l
You must do the 'Windows Genuine Advantage' thingy before it'll install.
I had the chance to preview... PNG support is there... Still lots of page rendering errors, (slashdot) is one example... page scrolls for ever... tabbed browsing is sweet... some security tweaks.. Once completed...
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when I got to the "See how tabbed browsing works" section of the animated tour. Good stuff! As a Safari and Firefox user, I've been using tabs for well over 2 years :)
Seriously, IE *is* playing catchup. Some will say that this is the end of an IE only net.
Others say that all Microsoft has to do is to just be "good enough" and they can keep their near-monopoly market share of the browsing environment.
One thing that's for sure is that Microsoft is no longer the "apparent" force for innovation that they were in the 90's. :-)
And that tabbed browsing (eg: MDI done properly) is here to stay
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I'm going to beta test it right now... in Fedora Core 4. And I'm gonna send an error report if it doesn't work, too.
When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
No - I just loaded a site with google ads and they showed up just fine. At least, for their regular text ads, not the rumoured upcoming graphics/flash ads. I don't know if those are even out yet, though.
I saw the first beta through my company (has an MSDN subscription) and this version LOOKS alot better, but still hogs a ton of memory. At present time, its using 104MB of ram, 79MB of pagefile space. The only thing I have loaded is this wonderful site: slashdot.org. Firefox is using just 24.8MB of memory. Looks like I'm uninstalling already. The UI is pretty, though.
Im too lazy to re-install windows, although i am interested in trying this out. =)
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http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/shared/s_code
I like that you can preview all the tabs you have open in one spot, and either switch to them or close them from there. Honestly, I expect that IE7's tabbed browsing will be better than vanilla Firefox. Firefox gets several things wrong out of the box (which are being fixed for FF2.0, and are available in trunk builds now).
"The problem with internet quotations is that many are not genuine" -Abraham Lincoln
I could swear I've seen those features somewhere before ... damn, can't remember where. But it was a while ago... maybe like a year ago or something. Maybe it was two years. Hmmm. Damn, well anyway --- I can't wait to try out these revolutionary new features.
IE7 ACID 2 test screenshot - I just loaded it, and did this screenshot. Not even close, though that shouldn't be a surprise - MS has already said it wouldn't pass the test. FF doesn't pass it either, mind.
http://207.68.142.106/contoso/enroll_auth.html
Search ARIN WHOIS for: 207.68.142.106
OrgName: Microsoft Corp
OrgID: MSFT
Address: One Microsoft Way
City: Redmond
StateProv: WA
PostalCode: 98052
Country: US
NetRange: 207.68.128.0 - 207.68.207.255
CIDR: 207.68.128.0/18, 207.68.192.0/20
NetName: MICROSOFT-CORP-MSN-BLK
NetHandle: NET-207-68-128-0-1
Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0
I always wanted to see Microsoft blacklist itself in one of it's intricate series of patch releases, security alerts, and spam filters. Now my life is complete.
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FINALLY they did something right and disabled activex controls by default. I always take this step with a clients computer and this seems to solve about %50 of there spyware problems (other 50% is from downloading and running "Uber cool free poker/P2P program". But on a sad note, they no longer have Gopher support, gopher you will be missed. :)
ActiveX controls--ActiveX controls are disabled by default in Internet Explorer Version 7. The ActiveX Input TYPE=FILE control no longer submits a fully-qualified path; it now submits only a filename. The ActiveX control for XEnroll certificate enrollment was removed from Windows Vista and replaced with a new control.
Release notes for this preview are up at http://msdn.microsoft.com/ie/releasenotes/.
It looks like Microsoft is trying hard to tell they make the web work for me...
Their struggle is to get a heading on an otherwise mostly empty web page show correctly.
They fail it.
Seriously, if they can't even make a title graphic look right, just fire your webmasters.
My brother knew how to do it cross-platform, when he was 13, a multi-billion dollar company don't?
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
When running IE7B2P-WindowsXP-x86-enu.exe under Wine 0.9.5 it gives an error message:
"Unable to find a volume for file extraction.
Please verify that you have proper permissions."
Does this mean no Win2k support for it?
And how about (just to annoy people) Mac support? heh
I'm a fiscal conservative, it's a pity we don't have a political party anymore
This is the first beta with the rendering engine changes in (CSS fixes, HTML improvements, PNG alpha channel support, etc). And it would be a bit late for web developers to check for compatibility and report bugs after the thing has been released, wouldn't it? No, this is the right time for Slashdot to report this.
Bogtha Bogtha Bogtha
Oh my god.. tabs, RSS feeds, built-in search box and "easy-to-use" interface! it's Firefox! Did MS just realised that because of open-source, they can just recompile something really nice, give it a nice name (hmmm.. IE7?) and boost it as the next Microsoft innovation?
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Well, it's pretty nice. Eventually I am likely to switch back to IE as I come across too many sites which don't work properly in Firefox.
Saying that, IE7 stuffs up www.drupal.org and my drupal sites so I hope they fix this.
IE7 also enables Clear type by default which isn't very welcome.
But 7.0 is 6 louder than 1.0!
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General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
from Zonk
The installer runs the Malicious Software Removal Tool before installing IE7 - clever. Too bad they didn't think of that for SP2 for XP; I heard a lot of problems with SP2 were due to that kind of stuff infecting a machine. Let's hope this is a feature that stays around, and spreads to other MS software installs.
As far as I know, only the latest version of Safari in Mac OS 10.4.3 passes Acid2.
Wow... all of Windows is only 11 MB! I guess the old defense against the monopolistic "binding" issues have gone away.
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I'm not fond of upgrading software. Being a software developer, I often don't have a choice. I often have to make sure I'm using the latest of anything that might be work-related and that includes things like Office and other supporting software.
But with something like a web browser, I get a choice. I held off on switching to Firefox. I tried some earlier version and while they had nice features, there were too many issues, I wouldn't switch. Shortly before the 1.0 release, I finally made the switch. The two most compelling features for me were the tabbed browsing and the keyworded bookmarks (which I use ALL the time).
I don't know if IE 7 has the keyworded bookmarks and without it (or something similar), I wouldn't even consider it. But the fact remains that without some compelling new features, I doubt I will switch and from what I've seen so far, there's just nothing like that.
I suspect a lot of regular users are like that. Without a really compelling reason, they won't switch. I suspect IE 7.0 will fail to turn the tide of people switching to Firefox.
..that the first page of the tour doesn't render "properly" in Opera or Firefox? It does look correct in IE6 though.
You can download the Mac version here!
Seriously, though, Mac OS and other platorms gaining ground on Windows. And Windows users are tiring of spyware and are switching to other browsers.
Are the developers out there starting to realize that not all users are IE/Windows users? Are developers starting to make their apps and sites browser-agnostic? If so, I'm not seeing much of it.
My browser-agnostic apps are not going IE/Windows only, but my IE/Windows apps aren't going browser-agnostic either.
Never ask for directions from a two-headed tourist! -Big Bird
I'm using it now to post this comment, and then I'm switching right back. The toolbar is ugly (granted it is beta), and I'm amused that Yahoo is the default search tool over MSN (google of course is not even an option, after all who searches with that?).
Rendering is still sub par, tabs are nice though. All in all, it has a strong "welcome to the cutting edge of web browsing, circa 2003" feel to it. Given that Firefox actually has some momentum now even in corporate America, not to mention joe average who is beginning to draw a connection between spyware and IE, I think MS is going to have to do better than a poor Firefox clone to reverse that trend.
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Personally, I am not to excited about this (haven forgotten about MS a while ago). The real question is, who is going to be using this new browser, since reasonable alternatives with better features have been around for over a year. Seriously, who still uses IE (other than 80% of the internet surfing public). Are RSS and tabbed browsing really going to entice people to switch, or is MS going to Masquerade a product release as a "security update"?
BBH
It is not, has not, and never will be funny to make stupid jokes about the "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along." message.
Would you and all others PLEASE STOP DOING THIS ?? You are far more offensive than the GNAA could ever hope to be.
Why not? Every release of Firefox/Mozilla/Etc. was...
I do web development and frankly I don't care about IE 7. Hardly anyone will be using it for a long time after its release. I develop to web standards and test in each current popular browser. When it hits maybe 10% market share I'll care if my sites are compatible. And even if they're not I won't be doing much if anything to conform to any of IE's new broken standards.
Developers: We can use your help.
I can see two problems on my own little page experiment: (1) a div element is extended one element beyond its closing tag, and (2) no support for CSS2.1 :before pseudoclass. Oh, why bother. I'm not paid for that stuff, so fuck IE. The only reason to use it is to get some laughs. It even tagged an Apache2 404 error page as a phishing site.
Beta or not, there's no excuse for that.
Fight hunger. Filet a politician and send him to a 3rd world country of your choice.
Just going through the features tour IE7 appears to have a preference pane for the search box, you can easily choose which search engine to use yourself. I think this is a great idea. I requested the same thing of Apple/Safari through their feedback mechanism, but nothing ever came of it - I'm british so I would rather use google.co.uk or uk.yahoo.com than the google.com that Safari defaults to.
I only use IE6 for compatibility testing at the moment (via Virtual PC) it has a really annoying habit of requiring the 'http://' prefix to urls in the address bar, or sending you to search.msn.com, while other browsers will accept 'www.slashdot.org' and add the prefix themselves. I hope this is changed in IE7 as my next machine will almost certainly be one of HP's Ubuntu laptops which will be set to dual boot with XP.
Camino still has the prettiest buttons :-)
Just installed IE 7, then immediately installed the new Google Toolbar 4 beta. It installs, but by default its 'hidden'. You have to go to Tools->Toolbars and check off 'Google' for it to appear. Thought I would give it a try, hoping it would improve the appearance of IE 7's rather disappointing UI.
IE 7.0 looks a lot like Firefox.
Is IE 7.0 beta 2 the pre-release of Firefox?
1. Get the hacked iecustom.dll (google for it)
2. Download the beta. DO NOT RUN IT
3. Using WinRAR or 7Zip, unpack the executable (right click it)
4. Go to the "update" subfolder
5. Replace iecustom.dll with hacked one
6. Run UPDATE.EXE (not setup.exe)
done.
Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all
The difference is Netscape 4 sucked.
Interesting timing
which is why (besides that I would never switch back to IE anyway) I wouldnt use IE7 for at least a year or so to give em enough time to get a minimum of (30% a low enough number for M$). Try it on the initial release, and you'll fry your system in 30 seconds (or will IE let spyware do it quicker?)
Is there a stand alone version? How are people ment to test their site in IE6 and IE7 if there's no stand alone version of IE7?
"Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses." - Arthur C. Clarke.
The internet browser is free. MS makes no money on it. What is their motivation to put out a new version of IE as opposed to something like say, MS Office, where they make 100-300 bucks a pop on it?
Or a new OS?
You can get 15 minutes of fame, but you can go down in history for infamy.
Their UI designers have done a good job desiging the browser shell itself. Things are where I need them to be, and the default skin is something brand new from MS. I'm enjoying it so far (tho it won't replace FireFox as my default browser). It's a long-overdue step in the right direction.
nothing worth possessing isn't possessed. or something.
Does anyone else have http://www.dreamwords.com/ in thier IE7 history for some reason? I typed a d in the address bar and that address came up.
The site wasn't an internal Microsoft site.
It was done by a larger outside design company who specializes in web
Still no concept of position: fixed in IE7. Ugh.
Sig is on vacation
That ain't good. Does IE7beta actually wipe out IE6, or does it simply make IE7 the default?
Though we are allowed to install multple browsers, my employer mandates that all intranet web apps work in IE6 at minimum. It would be nice to install IE7 and prepare our apps for any upcoming changes, but if I can't ensure that any changes won't break our IE6 functionality then it's a show-stopper. I imagine this is the case for a number of web developers. Ostensibly this beta release targets the development community so it baffling that Microsoft would make such a decision.
And besides that - what kind of idiot has their *beta* installation overwrite a *production* installation?? (rhetorical question)
For comparison purposes, here are also:
The reference rendering.
Safari rendering I captured with Grab.
1) Contains "enhancements" to SVG viewable only on Vista.
2) Has Extension functionality
3) Looks like Firefox.
Except in China, the United States of America, and other countries which spy on their citizens illegally.
But, don't worry, under opt-out DRM that you already agreed to by clicking on Install, you have agreed to have your browsing history, email use, and home searches and occupations by military personnel as part of your Default Rights.
Enjoy, Citizen!
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Did Microsoft go out if its way to make sure we all knew that the browser was an integral and non-seperable part of the operating system just so it couldn't be "extra" sued by the U.S. government? Does this mean this is a beta of Vista for free download?!
Awesome!
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I don't know how a release of IE doesn't seem to be a great thing. Let's put this straight: IE is used by the MAYORITY of the users IN THE WHOLE WORLD. About 80, 85%??? Well... Those are, at least for me, a LOT of users who doesn't WANT to change because they LIKE IE, or just because THEY DONT LIKE TO INSTALL TWO OR MORE PROGRAMS TO DO THE SAME THING ON THEIR MACHINES...
To them, IE7 is a bless form heaven because they WILL (you can bet you soul on this) upgrade to it making Firefox and ALL THE REST "the others" in this market. They will be winning NOT BECAUSE IE7 is better... They will win because 80% of the people in this world just think that installing a lot of the same is a lost of time and a waste of space/memory. Because 80% of the people in this world just doesn't like Mozilla or Firefox and because 80% of the people just doesn't think it's necessary to upgrade their software one or two times a year.
Microsoft doesn't have (and will not even try) to "win back" all those users who are using Firefox or Opera or whatever, they only want to make the ohter 80% of the users "happy enough" so they will not change. Have they lost market? Yes indeed... But they are still number one... A LARGE number one.
Sorry but they will be number one for a long time thanks to IE7 and their 80% of the market.
As scary or dumb as that subject may sound to some of you, I gotta give MS a hand. They have been merely fighting off intrusions and pestering people to update and now they've released a browser that seems to be up to date with very few problems, even if it is in Beta.
First impressions
Cool buttons, i'm sure they'll get annoying soon, but right now they're refreshing from the old IE
Odd toolbar, might take awhile, but anyone can understand it
Slashdot has an annoying horizontal scroller unless i use the scale thing. Wtf? Also, if you scale, it messes up the layers on the main page and end up causing this pile up towards the the upper left corner
It fixed an issue that was plaguing me on setting up my CFMX 7 server on my computer. It must have been some setting or whatever, but it was able to fix the repeated log in problem for some reason. So kudos to them.
So over all it's new and it's in beta and it's actually worth a shot.
Though the instal was a lil scary...
"we need to probe your computer to make sure it's a valid windows instal."
Probing by itself is scary... and when it's MS holding the probe, it just gets even scarier. So yea.. if you pirated your copy of Windows, you might be out of luck... at least until the hackers find a way around the installer.
Oh, and it has slowdowns with certain things like sending e-mail or posting to slashdot. It's noticeable but short (~1-2 secs)
Everyone's eyes have different sesitivities to different light wavelengths. Since cleartype uses different colors with the layout of the colored pixels of your monitor, it should be configured for each monitor and user to provide the best results.
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Link to online cleartype calibration site:
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/tun
In order to remove it under Add/Remove programs you have to check off the box "Show Updates". If you are like me and have a lot of ActiveX functions that need to be run, then you will find this piece of advice most helpful since it pretty much breaks everything.
I just installed beta 2 (on XP) and I am surprised that Google is my default search engine! The only other one installed is MSN. I had the Google toolbar installed in 6, and it is right there in 7 as well. All of it works perfectly. It seems as though MS has addressed the concerns in earlier versions.
The list of search engine providers includes AOL, Ask Jeeves, Google, MSN and Yahoo. There are also providers for specific websites, e.g. amazon and MSDN. Looks pretty good!
It is too bloated
The interface is clanky
There is nothing new other than the Phishing Filter
Just my 2cents
It looks pretty much like Safari to me:
- address bar on on top, Search next to it
- no menu (because it's not needed in Mac OS)
- back/forward buttons in a tight group next to address bar, no stop button
No text required :P
but it seems to have problems installing on my Linux distro.
Any suggestions?
Oh, and where is the source code - I can't seem to find it anywhere.
Does IE7 support transparent PNGs yet? I still have a webpage up out there that has to you a _very_ nasty CSS img tag hack to rerender transparent PNGs using the Windows alpha channel if the visitor is using IE.
While IE7 doesn't mean I'd get to remove the hack anytime soon, at least it'd be a light at the end of the tunnel.
RFC2119
For a beta, you'd think it would leave IE6 alone. I was curious as to wear it was installed (I couldn't see any new icons on the desktop, etc.) and checked c:\program files\Internet Explorer and noticed that iexplore.exe had been modified, along with everything else. Seeing how I rely on IE6 for testing purposes, this is going to fun to uninstall/restore IE6. Serves me write for installing it on my work desktop. :/
body massage!
The face on that IE7 screenshot looks much like a pig.
Maybe Microsoft is making a statement...?
Oh darn it requires a validation check...Guess I can't run it...
Are these controls always at the far right of the screen?
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So the menus will always open backwards?
http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,1205,l=&s
Tell me it ain't so! (Can't install the beta, can't check it out myself)
'This writing business. Pencils and what-not. Over-rated if you ask me. Silly stuff. Nothing in it' - Eeyore
You must not work in an industry (telecommunications for example) that uses a bunch of shitty-written IE only web "applications" that benefit from tabs. I'm all about the Fox, but this is a FSM-send.
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"...I guarantee that IE 7 is going to obliterate Firefox..."
Pretty bold statement given IE7 only runs on Windows platforms. Or, like may Windows users, does multiple operating systems only mean Win95, WinME, Win2k and WinXP?
Another IE? Haven't we banned, destroyed, disowned or otherwise abandoned IE yet?
So I am supposed to compare sites in IE 7 to how they are in IE 6 and you replace my IE 6 with this beta version? Shouldn't there be separation so I can test against the current browser? Jesus Microsoft...
These things are fixed:
Which basically begs the question, "Will IE ever 100% support any standard?" Sadly, the answer is probably not. IE doesn't even fully support HTML 3.2.
This blows FF out of the water. It looks polished and responds nicely (at least so far, it loaded /. alot faster than FF does. Just tried fark.com and it loaded nearly twice as fast as FF, so I don't know what is up with the PC mag review). Once (and if) they fix some of the rendering bugs, and if it is actually secure (I have my doubts, but we'll see) FF is going to have to do alot of catching up.
/. ers, popup blocking was automatically turned on (I'm guessing it imported some settings from IE 6).
The research button is kind of cool as well, it gives you a quick definition and an option to translate into different languages. Clicking on all research sites brings up relevant info from different websites (I searched for appendicitis) without the random crap google pops up.
The browser UI looks great, and it actually handles tabs nicely unlike the 1/2 assed attempt FF makes. Quicktabs is a great feature. Unlike other
Second, I love the button placement. The only gripe I have is that I prefer my toolbars to be thinner to give me as much screen space as possible. If this is fixed I will definately be considering this browser.
The IE7 Javascript implementation is still painfully slow compated to Firefox. Was it supposed to be improved? With all the AJAX coming down the line shouldnt Microsoft get serious about their Javascript performance?
The biggest surprise for me was that the default search engine in the search box was google and not MSN search!Pretty strange considering how much MS hates google...
I see everyone has overlooked something grossly disgusting.
The new RSS reader looks EXACTLY like Safari (although Safari's is better looking thank god) but the way it renders RSS!? It's exactly the same! Apple, Go sue.
This requires that XP Service Pack 2 be installed, it seems.
Stupid question, but why did you use Grab?
You can capture the screen in OS X with Command-Shift-3 or a portion with Command-Shift-4.
It is interesting that Microsoft has reignited this application at all. Microsoft crushed many browsers via bundled ubiquity, then pretty much stopped innovating or working it in a meaningful way.
Sincerely, I wish they would make it standards-compliant: there is a lot of wasted brain-work going on out there to constantly program-around-and-compensate-for weak implementations of important standards.
I think I'm sticking with Firefox and SeaMonkey on my Win32 machines.
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The tour shows a feature called "QuickTabs" that looks good. If I'm correct, it looks like Expose for your tabs--shows thumbnails of all open tabs. Shiira for OS X has this and it's great--something every browser should have.
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
Are you a Firefox user? I've got access to 5000+ search engines. If a site with a search engine isn't listed at http://mycroft.mozdev.org/, then it's probably your own.
SP2 Came out in August of 04, the MSRT didn't come out until January 05. I suspect they will use it, when SP3 eventually comes out.
- AMW
I get the error:
This package does not support your system architecture (32/64 bits).
I'm using vmware under Linux x86_64. Has anyone been able to install it in this environment? (win2k).
Thanks.
Yes, because a web browser can fry your system you stupid cocksmoke
IE7 doesn't render http://www.mozilla.org/ correctly. The monitor on the RHS keeps moving around independent of the image on the screen when you refresh.
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Jesus loves you, I think you suck
1.5.0.1 (Firefox) Seems to render it just dandy.
SP2 Came out in August of 04, the MSRT didn't come out until January 05. I suspect they will use it, when SP3 eventually comes out.
Good point, but MS should've had anti-adware and anti-virus stuff long ago.
After trying out the earlier beta, and being disappointed, I thought I'd give this one a go. When I try to run it, my desktop icons flash (you know, like it's being refreshed), and IE7 fails to start up; a window appears for a couple o' milliseconds but then nothing. Trying to open a HTML file with it gains no more success, I'm just told the file doesn't exist (I know it does). I haven't used any form of IE for quite some time, so this could have been happening with IE6, but still, can anyone help?
It's not a bold statement. In fact it is an obvious outcome when one puts away the rose colored glasses of zealotry and looks at the facts. Greater than 90% or PC's run Windows. Until today, there had been a ground swell of users switching from the tired IE 5 or 6 to the newer and much improved FireFox. But, with the release of IE7 Microsoft will leapfrog FireFox and what was a ground swell of change will be reversed.
With the release of IE7 Windows users will switch to the new, improved, better, more secure, and most importantly most supported browser which will be IE7. They will forget about FireFox as it struggles to catchup for the next year or more and in the end no Windows user (90% of PC users) will use or be interested in FireFox.
I stated this several months ago when there were rumblings that Microsoft would release a new IE with Vista. But, instead of advancing themselves even further, FireFox has chosen hype and advocacy. But, hype and advocacy only works when you are the last one to the party and with IE 7, it is Microsoft that is the late comer. Time will prove me correct, FireFox will be relegated to obscurity (even more than ever) by IE7.
But, here's another prediction that no one here will like. Take a look at Microsoft Vista. If OSS developers don't put some serious effort into improving and advancing their software, Microsoft will eclipse Linux with the release of Vista. What is now a slowly growing trend in favor of Linux because of slight advantages and low cost, will quickly dry up as everyone jumps ship to the shiny and sugary sweetness that is Vista. People will gladly line up outside of stores to pay $200 each for the most advanced, fastest, prettiest, easiest to use, most supported operating system the world has ever seen. Already, its capabilities exceed that of Linux and there is still nearly a year of development ahead for Vista.
Mark my words, this is a game of leap frog and it is Microsoft's turn to jump. If the Linux world doesn't put its nose to the grind stone, right now, they will be left in Microsoft's dust.
This post was composed using Konqueror 3.4 on SuSE 9.3 It's only a matter of ship dates that will decide if this machine's next OS will be SuSE 10.1 or Vista.
Am I the only one who noticed this?s 2ke.png
Let's try good aliasing before you make graphics for your products...
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/6596/msbadalia
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I understand how that goes, HP's website uses IE/windows Only activeX controls to order parts for laptops. As for IE 7, it does not seem to want to render the WIKI logo in the upper left
Firefox is quite near of passing it, however
8 0 for the bug
I mean, this looks much better than IE
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2894
Do you have a screenshot to back up that claim?
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Two things I thought were interesting. 1. This is version 7.0.5296.0 the version that was leaked on the internet the other day was 7.0..5299.0 2. It hates Live Mail beta. Which surprising to me since this is the public beta. Funny part is that Live Mail seems to like Firefox better. Most of the features are missing but at least you can use it.
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Interesting. Okay, IE7 shows those graphical ones, as well.
Are they?
Or will developers have to write another version, just for IE7 users?
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surprisingly enough konqueror passes the test perfect ! :-)
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does it run on, in, or around Linux? Does Linux run on IT? THEN WHY SHOULD I CARE?
I'm sorry... I had to say it.
Please stop stalking me, bro.
The acid test isn't really considered a good test for complience, which is why the IE team doesn't care too much about it. It uses malformed CSS and doesn't really test the important parts of CSS.
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so what, I refuse to use IE in any form, even if this was provided in the next version of winblows I would still cripple and remove it as far as possible from the system.
Sites with self-signed security certificates are blocked for the unenlightened. Having to pay extortion to a 3rd party to "verify" your identity does nothing to protect the good guys and does little to stop the bad guys.
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This won't cost the "big guys" any hard-earned money, but it will likely hurt small ecommerce vendors a great deal. An extra $100-$200 per year is not nothing. The default IE6 settings were fine - a warning - same as FF.
I always thought the "phishing" schemes which they spend so much time discussing are things like https://login.ebay.com.givemeyourcreditcard.com/ - or even http://login.ebay.com.givemeyourunsecurecreditcar
Unenlightened designers will likely advise small clients to go without a certificate altogether. I hope this doesn't make it into the final build, but we'll see.
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The acid test isn't really considered a good test for complience, which is why the IE team doesn't care too much about it. It uses malformed CSS and doesn't really test the important parts of CSS.
:)
Yeah, I'm sure that's the reason why.
Haven't installed it yet (because it asks me to uninstall previous IE7 builds), but from the version information in the executable, this appears to be build #5296. The build in the IE7 leak story from a week ago is #5299... I remember seeing some talk about #5296 on one of the sites discussing #5299 last week, so this is a build that has been around a bit now (which is expected, of course).
What? No!? Well, then I guess your "blows FF out of the water" comment is a bit .... WRONG!
Heck, I can't even run IE because I run Linux! But yet, Windows users can run FF! What kind of crappy product is IE?
Meh.
Firefox 1.0.7 renders it just dandy. So does Opera 8.51, both on Linux-x86.
the safari rendering means nothing because they simply implemented whatever Acid2 tested properly, it doesn't show anything about their standards compliance except for what was specifically tested. The original rendering when Acid2 just came out gives us more information (until an Acid3 is released)
being vague is almost as cool as doing that other thing...
The interface is all over the place. You shouldn't have the reload button on one side of the screen and the back forward controls on the other end. I also think the placement of the drop down menus is somewhat abnormal, being below the address bar. I guess they did this because they are ditching menus in Vista thus being completely reliant on right-click context menus, which I believe will be quite confusing for computer noobs to figure out. I've seen IE7 on Vista and it does look better but the interface is still a mess.
I've yet to see any of the browsers I use render that properly, including Explorer, Firefox and Safari. Firefox does a better job than Explorer and Safari might have been the best of the three. But what does it matter when Safari screws up sites that show up fine on the other browsers. The fact that one test shows displays properly ends up being a bit irrelevant.
So much for standards. The problem is that everyone wants their own "standard" to be the standard.
It demonstrates that Safari passes a test corpus, and the other guys didn't; regardless of how completely the test covers the standard in question, the fact that others don't pass it strongly suggests that they probably are not *more* compliant. Even if the Safari team coded specifically to pass the test set, the fact that they did this suggests that they are at least as interested - and since they do it right - arguably *more* interested in being compliant.
;)
Your last sentence doesn't really parse in English, but since it also doesn't gives us more information on your observations on standards compliance, we'll have to take your word on that (until an further reply is released)
The question is will they backport it to windows 3.1?
Opera 8.5 renders it very well, though not perfectly. I'm sure Opera 9 (beta) gets even closer, if not passes it. I've heard the current builds of FF (1.5.01?) pass it, though I don't know for sure.
You can't always blame non-IE browsers 'display problems' on the browser - too many sites still serve up crap when they detect a non-IE browser (particularly a problem for Opera).
This IE7 preview did better than I thought it would. I have a range of web sites I created to test it with, and it works on "tag soup" sites, outer table layout with CSS styling sites, and all-CSS sites. I didn't use any CSS hacks with any of my sites, so no idea how that'll work out. But, you use the hacks, you pays the price. *shrug*
The Bad:
Bottom line: There isn't enough here to get me to switch from Firefox (or Safari :p), and if they don't reign in the memory usage I doubt I'll even
install it, but when I have to use IE on a friend or co-worker's machine, I'll be
very glad if they have IE7 installed.
ENDUT! HOCH HECH!
I was rather disappointed to find that IE7 still had issues rendering graphics on widescreen displays. This is especially disappointing since Mozilla has worked flawlessly from the beginning so this is obviously an issue that is easily solved. There has been a work around released on the MSDN Blog that involves changing an Internet explorer registry key, but I was expecting IE7 to have this feature enabled by default, unfortunately it did not. I feel like IE7 is a definite improvement over IE6, but I think a lot of people have hit the nail on the head. Since Microsoft is playing catch-up what's the point in switching from Firefox to IE7? IE7 is basically just adding all the features that Firefox has had since its inception. I mean even from the UI you can tell that Microsoft is looking at browsers like Safari, and Firefox and taking a little from each to make their own. I think what Microsoft needs to do is stop trying to make their browser like everyone else's and actually come up with some original ideas that will help it stand out in the market. That being said however, not everyone has the ability to use Mozilla or alternative browsers, so for people who are in that situation I guess you can definitely look at IE7 as a vast improvement from IE6
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So far I am enjoying the Beta. But, I was really hoping it would have some level of image resampling, for instance on downsized GIF images. I got spoiled by Opera having this, but no other browser seems to do this.
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Whether a bug in IE 7 or bad design http://www.asp.net/ is all hosed.
This beta seems to create some interesting issues with Windows Media Player 10. When opening some vidoes, WMP hangs.
I can't come up with the link at the moment, but there is a FF 1.5 extension called Foxpose that, oddly enough, has a 4-box icon. Upon clicking, it'll put all of your tabs up at once as little thumbnails. I've had it for a while, but I prefer tab preview for quickly viewing my other tabs since I don't have to leave my current one.
The trick with subpixel rendering is that it is *not* just a 3x higher resolution antialiased image. In fact the hinting has gone through some trouble to arrange things to be 3 subpixels wide. This means that the same number of r,g,b subpixels are turned on as they would with normal antialiasing.
If the user does not percieve the colors equal to what is expected, this would also change their perception of pure white (also made by summing r,g,b), thus changing the entire white balance of the monitor. If this annoys them they would twiddle the color settings to fix it.
You may be worried about non-linear perception of the color levels, with different responses for different colors. However ClearType does not take into account the non-linear sRGB display curve, and this error would swamp any problem in your eyes by an order of magnitude or more, and even that does not seem to be too objectionable.
So basically the above poster is full of it. Don't believe him.
My god, you magically fixed my copy of Firefox, too!
Actually that is a pointer to a reference image showing what it is supposed to look like.
Actually while typing this I realized you probably put that in as a joke. Good one.
... they make a new Firefox theme that looks like IE7? The interface looks great.
Just a thought.
Damn, I already moderated this topic. Now I'll have to log in with my sock puppet to comment.
This page explains how you can run both on the same PC without needing a virtual machine. It works.
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http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2005/12/
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Looks like the ripped the feature of Omniweb, only without implementing it so well.
Installed it, was happily browsing the web for about 5 minutes. Thought I'd give it a bit of java to test it, browsed through java.com for a few minutes - then my entire computer froze. Went to make a cup of coffee, came back and the screen was in 640x480 in 16 colours! Error box up saying "The nv4_disp driver has stopped working normally." All my other windows had vanished (couple of explorer, couple of the new IE). A reboot seemed to restore me to full res, full colour glory though. Methinks I'll disable java in it now though...
Why can't we all just get along?
Actually on second thought this might be closer to Shiira Tab-Expose.
Is their one new feature that IE 7 hasn't copied?
Interestingly you can change the search provider (in search bar) very easily in this build (I had to do a registry hack on the vista beta to change it to google). just click the arrow on search bar and select "find more providers". it will take you to this microsoft site page http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/searchguide/de fault_new.mspx# where you can select most of the top search providers including google and yahoo
IE7 will render IE6 useless if you install it normally. If this happens, go to add/remove programs, click show updates, and uninstall it (all the way at the bottom of the list) To "install" it side-by-side with IE6, unpack the setup exe with winrar into a folder of your choosing. Delete both the update folder and shlwapi.dll. Create a text file called "IEXPLORE.EXE.LOCAL" in the same directory. Run iexplore.exe Appears to be better than the beta1 (post cumulative update) hack, which required a command line window stay open. A few buggy things still happen when wandering down this old route, but better than nothing...
"Windows does 99% of what users need."
Ah, but it also does many things that users don't want, such as leave gaping holes for nasty software to pollute and break their nice shiny boxen, and I'm fairly sure that most users don't want to spend any time patching or hunting for the latest driver simply to get their boxen to work.
Most users, IME, want to USE the computer without knowing how it works and with the confidence that it will continue to work. Windows, by virtue of its patchy and insecure nature, doesn't really provide a stable enough foundation to allow The Average User to Use The Computer with 100% confidence.
I usually have my Windows "sound effects" all turned off, so when I installed IE7 beta 2 preview, I noticed an irritating "click" noise coming from my speakers whenever I clicked on a link, eventually driving me insane. It turns out IE7 re-enables the Windows Explorer sound effect for Start Navigation that I probably turned off years ago and hoped never to hear again.
Fixed it by selecting Control Panel -> Sounds and Multimedia -> Sounds -> Windows Explorer -> Start Navigation and then using the Name: pop-up menu to select "(None)". Does *anyone* use IE with that sound effect turned on and not go psycho after about a dozen pages?
Let's see...
:)
I could run it again...
take a screenshot...
open it and save it as something *other* than BMP.
upload it to a free image-hosting server that may or may not actually allow me to link it.
post URL that may or may not work.
Or...
You could test it yourself.
Yeah, I think we'll go with the latter, but thanks anyway.
...of downloading the 11.2 MB installer from this site (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/ie7betare direct.mspx) and tried to install it on a Win2k Prof machine....after extracting the files to a folder the installer popped up the following message
"This package does not support your system architecture (32/64bits)."
The machine is a 32 bit P4 machine.
Perhaps the developers of Opera should listen to those who have a problem with Opera's interface. Perhaps it's such a popular "myth" because it actually is a serious issue hindering the adoption of Opera.
Like it or not, Opera does appear bloated compared to a browser like Konqueror. But that's likely because Opera includes extra, non-browser functionality (ie. an email client). Many people do find Opera's interface cluttered. At least they got rid of the ads, which was a major source of clutter for many.
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Those who claim that Opera is cluttered haven't tried the latest versions.
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