This is why English needs aspected tenses - I think they meant people who launch DoS attacks against it, not necessarily succeeding in bringing it down, but being a pain nonetheless.
You are on the bus, there's 60 people around you, each one is trying to talk into their PDA - that's the kind of thing I meant. Basically they'd not only be hard to use in any public place, but also pretty rude.
Not trying to come up with excuses for Linux just yet, it's just the first thing to jump out at me.
All in all, they have very little information about the actual benchmarks in that article. But I expect we'll see more people doing these "head to head" comparisons now that both OSes can use the same compiler. Kyle? Tom? up to you guys:)
I gotta say the whole "kernel" thing confused me a bit - when they mentioned one kernel showing a decrease in performance with Intel, I just thought: "which one? 2.4.17?"
I really haven't been keeping up with 3.0 (mostly because it doesn't work yet:) ) so I am hoping someone can inform my lazy ass.
What are they targeting with this release? What new big (and important) features are in it? And, in view of the article, can we expect speed increases, or is it mostly about new features?
In any case, I am not stopping using gcc just because some closed, expensive thing is much faster (even if it is ten times faster), and I expect a lot of people here feel the same way. Ok, I might consider if it was ten times faster:)
Apart from the whole OS "cult" theres also another reason (and I am sure many will disagree with me here), but there is such a thing as "fast enough" and for the vast majority of things I use my computer for, that has been more than achieved. Don't get me wrong, I love tweaking, optimizing, overclocking and generally pushing the hardware as far as it will go, by any means handily available (including keeping a voodoo doll of my PC in the freezer), but I've found that I do this more for the process than the end result. Buying and installing a new compiler (which you know nothing about, in terms of how it works) just doesn't seem to be all that much fun. (Besides, I am sure my Athlon would never speak to me again)
At this point, it?s also important to note that the Intel compiler on both platforms is a little more pedantic than the default settings for either the GNU or the Microsoft compilers. Marginal error conditions that are dismissed by the other compilers are reported as warning level issues by the Intel compiler.
I don't get it - why is that important?
But that's a minor issue, the important part is convinced - I am throwing my gcc out the window and paying half a grand for Intel C/C++... (somebody needs to come up with a damn "roll eyes" smiley)
will stay the hammer that drives a stake through the fibrillating heart of the aging technology behind the GNU C compiler
Could this be more full of itself? Somehow I have trouble accepting sweeping generalizations about the fate of compiler technology from someone who obviously dropped out of a creative writing program at some third-rate school.
That was a joke, but anyway, the sad truth is that there are few lefties, and companies like this probably cannot afford to create two versions of their product.
Hell, how many left-handed mice and joysticks are out there?
This wheel + buttons thing, while different, is obviously not gonna cut it. I can't stand those Palms chicken-scratch pads (I can type about 150 times faster than I can "write" on those - I don't even think I am exagerating) and you are not gonna lug a useable keyboard with you.
What's left? Voice is the only thing that really comes to mind, but that has obvious limitations. The newer "natural handwriting" recognizers are a step up from the Palm things, but I for one would not be able to use one since even I can't read my handwriting (plus I write far too slowly anyway).
So are we stuck until a way is figured out to stick in a 1394 port at the base of the neck? Any innovative suggestions?
Oh good grief! Well, Windows is pretty well established on the desktop and some server markets - does that mean we Linux dorks should just go home and stop bugging people with our silly ideas?
Handheld devices are becoming more and more powerful (I read that in a 2002 prediction list, so I think it's true), as such they will need to utilize "real" operating systems at some point (when they are roughly equvalent to todays desktops, lets say), WindowsCE is a nice intermediate step, as are the Linux variants for portable devices currently being used - it's just that the "evolution" path for Linux seems a bit easier than with the Windows paradigm; but what do I know.
Oh, and I didn't know that WindowsCE was an entirely new codebase written from the ground up for portables and had nothing to do with WindowsOtherWise. (I don't think I have to mention that WindowsCE is about as Open Source - yes, with capital O and S - as my ass, from the Linux perspective of course)
P.S. This is not "off-topic". If it can't be discussed here, where can it be discussed?
Maybe it's "very off-topic" then?
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nothing comparable to photoshop,fireworks,dreamweaver,flash,3dsmax,cubas e,cool edit etc. etc.
I agree with everything except the first one, and especially lament the third:) I don't have terribly exciting graphic manipulation needs, but I do need to do some (let's say "intermediate" level work) pretty frequently, I've found that The GIMP more than meets my needs and doesn't make me cry for Photoshop (in fact, I kinda like its UI a bit better than Photoshop's; subjective of course).
You are right in that a glaring hole in the Linux application landscape (at least from my perspective, niche as it is) is the lack of a WYSIWYG HTML editor (mind you, not lack of a good one, but of any); If I was still doing extensive web design, I probably wouldn't want to do it without Dreamweaver. (even though real men do it in vi, of course)
Anyway, this is all true, but hardly the "fault" of GNU/Linux developers, or the achievement of MS (at least from a technological perspective) - these are tools provided by third parties, and we are obviously getting into the whole chicken-egg thing of market for and support of software.
True as all this is, the majority of this discussion revolves around our little buddy the "average user" whose requirements are far below those that I have, and who's never even heard of any of those applications you mentioned.
Besides, shouldn't you graphics guys be using Macs, anyway?:)
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This is why English needs aspected tenses - I think they meant people who launch DoS attacks against it, not necessarily succeeding in bringing it down, but being a pain nonetheless.
You are on the bus, there's 60 people around you, each one is trying to talk into their PDA - that's the kind of thing I meant. Basically they'd not only be hard to use in any public place, but also pretty rude.
Look at the date of the press release. ;)
um, they used PIIIs
Pretend I said it then.
Not trying to come up with excuses for Linux just yet, it's just the first thing to jump out at me.
All in all, they have very little information about the actual benchmarks in that article. But I expect we'll see more people doing these "head to head" comparisons now that both OSes can use the same compiler. Kyle? Tom? up to you guys :)
I gotta say the whole "kernel" thing confused me a bit - when they mentioned one kernel showing a decrease in performance with Intel, I just thought: "which one? 2.4.17?"
What are they targeting with this release? What new big (and important) features are in it? And, in view of the article, can we expect speed increases, or is it mostly about new features?
In any case, I am not stopping using gcc just because some closed, expensive thing is much faster (even if it is ten times faster), and I expect a lot of people here feel the same way. Ok, I might consider if it was ten times faster :)
Apart from the whole OS "cult" theres also another reason (and I am sure many will disagree with me here), but there is such a thing as "fast enough" and for the vast majority of things I use my computer for, that has been more than achieved. Don't get me wrong, I love tweaking, optimizing, overclocking and generally pushing the hardware as far as it will go, by any means handily available (including keeping a voodoo doll of my PC in the freezer), but I've found that I do this more for the process than the end result. Buying and installing a new compiler (which you know nothing about, in terms of how it works) just doesn't seem to be all that much fun. (Besides, I am sure my Athlon would never speak to me again)
I'd agree with the gist of what you are saying, but some of your bullet items are just oversimplified, overstated bollocks.
I don't get it - why is that important?
But that's a minor issue, the important part is convinced - I am throwing my gcc out the window and paying half a grand for Intel C/C++... (somebody needs to come up with a damn "roll eyes" smiley)
Could this be more full of itself? Somehow I have trouble accepting sweeping generalizations about the fate of compiler technology from someone who obviously dropped out of a creative writing program at some third-rate school.
Hell, how many left-handed mice and joysticks are out there?
But there are good news for lefties as well.
I'd say you have about as much of a chance to get any speed out of that thing as any right-handed person ;)
What's left? Voice is the only thing that really comes to mind, but that has obvious limitations. The newer "natural handwriting" recognizers are a step up from the Palm things, but I for one would not be able to use one since even I can't read my handwriting (plus I write far too slowly anyway).
So are we stuck until a way is figured out to stick in a 1394 port at the base of the neck? Any innovative suggestions?
Oh good grief! Well, Windows is pretty well established on the desktop and some server markets - does that mean we Linux dorks should just go home and stop bugging people with our silly ideas?
Handheld devices are becoming more and more powerful (I read that in a 2002 prediction list, so I think it's true), as such they will need to utilize "real" operating systems at some point (when they are roughly equvalent to todays desktops, lets say), WindowsCE is a nice intermediate step, as are the Linux variants for portable devices currently being used - it's just that the "evolution" path for Linux seems a bit easier than with the Windows paradigm; but what do I know.
Oh, and I didn't know that WindowsCE was an entirely new codebase written from the ground up for portables and had nothing to do with WindowsOtherWise. (I don't think I have to mention that WindowsCE is about as Open Source - yes, with capital O and S - as my ass, from the Linux perspective of course)
Maybe it's "very off-topic" then?
nothing comparable to photoshop,fireworks,dreamweaver,flash,3dsmax,cubas e,cool edit etc. etc.
I agree with everything except the first one, and especially lament the third :) I don't have terribly exciting graphic manipulation needs, but I do need to do some (let's say "intermediate" level work) pretty frequently, I've found that The GIMP more than meets my needs and doesn't make me cry for Photoshop (in fact, I kinda like its UI a bit better than Photoshop's; subjective of course).
You are right in that a glaring hole in the Linux application landscape (at least from my perspective, niche as it is) is the lack of a WYSIWYG HTML editor (mind you, not lack of a good one, but of any); If I was still doing extensive web design, I probably wouldn't want to do it without Dreamweaver. (even though real men do it in vi, of course)
Anyway, this is all true, but hardly the "fault" of GNU/Linux developers, or the achievement of MS (at least from a technological perspective) - these are tools provided by third parties, and we are obviously getting into the whole chicken-egg thing of market for and support of software.
True as all this is, the majority of this discussion revolves around our little buddy the "average user" whose requirements are far below those that I have, and who's never even heard of any of those applications you mentioned.
Besides, shouldn't you graphics guys be using Macs, anyway? :)
Are your films good?
oh damn, it breaks off just when it was getting good
Except of course, that running Windows kinda defeats the point of not running Windows.
Unless of course it's brut.
What's the niche? Web servers?
ah, but will Lindows users really be "converts"?
I agree, except for the _exactly_ part. Props to the WINE guys and all, but I just like native programs.