bothering to keep up with their school work because the game world to them is more rewarding
I've heard this a lot - and it's the same hysterical BS every time.
How about: "They think computer games are more fun than school work, and opt to play instead of studying"? I know it doesn't sound anywhere near as sinister as this "Game World" that supplants reality and draws our kids away from from their reproductive duties, only to be consumed by its evil influence.
Does all our language need to be this high-strung now, or what? I don't remember friggin' Lego drawing anyone into its more rewarding world, and I've spent hours upon hours a day playing with that shit when I was a kid.
You are missing the entire point! We are not talking about anything precise, this is the hysterical, media propagated idea of addiction that has nothing to do with anything relating to medicine or science.
It's the "Are your kids addicted to Counter Strike?? It's more likely than you think! Find out at 11." type of addiction.
I am sure you can plainly see that this way is a lot more fun than your dry and unimaginative "diagnosed dependence" - who is going to be screaming "Please God, won't somebody think of the children??" with your way of looking at things?
Between my studying addiction, computer game addiction, food addiction, clothes-wearing addiction, water addiction, spending time with friends addiction, programming addiction and sleep addiction, I spend almost all of my time satisfying one addiction or another.
Oh, and I've been trying to kick the air habit for years now!
As you said yourself, it's just a work of fiction, so how could it be more realistic or less realistic?
You can compare two works of fiction and say which one is more or less realistic, couldn't you? Hey, not trying to start any flame wars;) (I realize "realistic" in this case is very broad - but I'll just leave it at that)
I do think the ending is a very suitable triumph of divine love, rather appropriate for the themes in the book, but as a whole, I see it only as an alternative viewpoint to the Bible.
I actually meant the ending of Bulgakov's (whole) novel (the one ending with "Pyatiy prokurator Iudeii, vsadnik Pontiy Pilat", I love how he used that, btw), not Master's novel. And let's face it, this one was a triumph of Satanic love (and what the keener of the dogmatic Christians would find the most offensive) - it certainly goes far beyond the black and white world of the bible.
PS By "church authorities" (perhaps a bad choice of words), I merely meant those within a particlar structured religious organization who are responsible for setting the moral standards for the other followers of that institution. ("this country" was in fact US, I don't even know why, since I am not there at the moment, force of habit I guess) I did not mean to say they exert any authority over any other entitity. But, both, their authority on their own followers (even if it is not absolute by any means), and their indirect influence on other entities are very significant still.
Very true! This is the first game I've played since I finished Max Payne (a few days before it hit stores, I believe;) I paid for a retail copy afterwards, though)
I just kinda wish I didn't get CivIII right before finals.
I wasn't trying to say anything about the relative merits of ASP (I've used it, its OK).
I was merely pointing out that they have to be completely married to MS even on the server side to be using it, which makes their waxing poetic on how great it is to replace the desktop with Linux, a bit ironic.
PS ASP may "blow out of the water" it's variants, but that's not true for other scripting languages;)
Touche. I haven't seen a translation, but Mel Brooks (someone I otherwise like and admire) made and awful, awful slapstick comedy out of it.
When I first read it, I thought this was one of the most striking literary images of Jesus, and I still think that one of the most important points this book makes is ridiculing the "scientific atheism" attitude of the Communist reality.
Being a godless infidel, doesn't mean that cannot appreaciate a good story, or a good telling of it. The story of Jesus is important and interesting in in it's own right, and Bulgakov's retelling is one of the most interesting, especially in the context of the rest of that book. Alhtough I did enjoy from the same perspective and he presented, not so much a story "about" Ieshua, but "about" Pontius Pilate. I like historical literature of almost all kinds - from textbooks to fiction.
As an example: I enjoy the story of Demeter and Kore, I think it is beautiful and quite profound (in it's own context) at the same time. But to appreciate it, I don't have to believe that Zeus is the king of the gods, and that Hades rules the Underwold, do I?
A more crass example would be to say that I don't have to think that Homer Simpson is real, to think he is funny.;)
As you've said yourself, my problem is with religion, not with good writing or great storytelling. And I have nothing against a world where God exists.
BTW, do you have any doubt that church authorities in this country would condemn this book as "false image of god" and an abomination of some sort (or whatever phrases they usually use in these cases) had they had the opportunity to read it? And probably banned it, if this was a few centuries ago.
Besides, Bulgakov's portrayal of how things would work is a hell of a lot more realistic than Christian dogma, especially his ending.
Well presumably Bulgaria is much closer to Russia in both language and culture, so the translation would seem easier to accomplish.
hmm... "Heart of a Dog"... why is it that so many Russian titles just don't carry the same, I don't know, "punch" when translated? "Sobachye Serdce" - there's a title! "Heart of a dog" just sounds bland and uninteresting:) Same thing with "Mertvie Dushi", "Voina i Mir" (of course here the translation also misses out on the play on words), hell, even "Dvenadzat' Stul'ev"/"Zolotoy Telenok" and "Vechera na hutore bliz Dikanki";)
I am actually pretty lucky that Russian is my native language and I can read these without much investment... now I only need to learn German and French - I have a sneaking suspicion that translations of Hesse, Kafka and Proust are as poor as some already mentioned... well, maybe not quite that bad.
Presumably windows was only used for a few select tasks in this case and so only a few copies (oh I am sorry - "licenses") were purchased, rather than buying it for everyone. Which would work out to cheaper.
Bulgakov is quite seriously one of the greatest writers of this century (well the previous century, technically, I suppose). Although all the English translations I've seen are piss (even here, it's not a "heart attack" but a "sarkoma lehkogo" damned if I know how to translate it properly, but they didn't even try) - I highly recommend learning Russian just to read this book - trust me, it's worth it.
PS Let's not forget the classic translation of "Tozhe mne, Binom Newtona! On umret..." as "Using Newton's Binom, I've calculated that he will die..." - How do I even begin with that one?
really nothing more than highly complex chemical reactions. Yes?
Well, no, as a matter of fact. Thats why arguing with creationsists is boring and frustrating, they know nothing about science.
But even that's even irrelevant, yes many people can only feel good about themselves if they believe that they have a "soul" given to them by "god" - it makes them feel special. And if someone tries to argue with that, they of course get upset, they are not as "special" anymore. In the end all these arguments come down to childish bullshit. (not to be confused with inane bullshit, whish is what your rambling about rationality was)
BTW, our favorite subject - computers - can make truth statements (00 AND 10 == 10), does that mean they have souls as well?
PS before you ask me to "prove" why they aren't - I am not here to educate you, go pick up a nice book on the subject, or take a year or two of psychology or even just neurology at your local institution of higher learning.
Why not go the whole nine yards and just abandon it completely? You'll be a lot better off.;-)
I did. You must have not seen my other post on the same subject. You win.
You've convinced me that that we were all created by an invisible man in the sky about five thousand years ago.
(my utter dessimation is partially based upon the fact that you wouldn't know "real scince" of which you speak so fondly, if it came up and bit you on the ass - pardon the cliche - and I have no power whatsoever to change that)
PS I spoke from experience, I have an aunt who became ardently religious was baptized and started going to church when she started hearing voices in her head; she stopped when medication helped with that.
Ouch. That's perhaps the most hurtful thing anyone's ever said to me, even without your explanation.:)
I do have an excuse though - when I was eight years old, I wasn't in this country yet (nor did I speak any English), so I've never heard of it. But they time I was 12, well it was a bit late, now wasn't it?
(go ahead, slash another of my precious karma points for "flamebait" - I dare ya!)
Oh yes, because once I "get" what it's saying, I will of course abandon my godless ways and turn to the True Path.
It's a nice book, has some interesting things in it (most from a historical perspective, but not all), and certainly the writers had their hearts in the right place. It's gotten a bit outdated in the last couple of millenia though, and certainly is not a substitute for personal morals and ethics, which is what it tries hardest to be.
You know nothing of my mind, or my development. I happen to think that "Go ejaculate on a window somewhere" was rather eloquent. But then, that's a matter of taste, and I have none.
None of which means that your post is not trolling. Very, very, VERY cliche trolling at that. But hey, I troll too, its fun sometimes.
I love the GIMP! I am amazed and impressed by it. The "core features" are pretty much the same as photoshop, but I like the UI much better (that's a personal preference of course) and Photoshop can't touch the scripting abilities.
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bothering to keep up with their school work because the game world to them is more rewarding
I've heard this a lot - and it's the same hysterical BS every time.
How about: "They think computer games are more fun than school work, and opt to play instead of studying"? I know it doesn't sound anywhere near as sinister as this "Game World" that supplants reality and draws our kids away from from their reproductive duties, only to be consumed by its evil influence.
Does all our language need to be this high-strung now, or what? I don't remember friggin' Lego drawing anyone into its more rewarding world, and I've spent hours upon hours a day playing with that shit when I was a kid.
You are missing the entire point! We are not talking about anything precise, this is the hysterical, media propagated idea of addiction that has nothing to do with anything relating to medicine or science.
It's the "Are your kids addicted to Counter Strike?? It's more likely than you think! Find out at 11." type of addiction.
I am sure you can plainly see that this way is a lot more fun than your dry and unimaginative "diagnosed dependence" - who is going to be screaming "Please God, won't somebody think of the children??" with your way of looking at things?
Between my studying addiction, computer game addiction, food addiction, clothes-wearing addiction, water addiction, spending time with friends addiction, programming addiction and sleep addiction, I spend almost all of my time satisfying one addiction or another.
Oh, and I've been trying to kick the air habit for years now!
As you said yourself, it's just a work of fiction, so how could it be more realistic or less realistic?
;) (I realize "realistic" in this case is very broad - but I'll just leave it at that)
You can compare two works of fiction and say which one is more or less realistic, couldn't you? Hey, not trying to start any flame wars
I do think the ending is a very suitable triumph of divine love, rather appropriate for the themes in the book, but as a whole, I see it only as an alternative viewpoint to the Bible.
I actually meant the ending of Bulgakov's (whole) novel (the one ending with "Pyatiy prokurator Iudeii, vsadnik Pontiy Pilat", I love how he used that, btw), not Master's novel. And let's face it, this one was a triumph of Satanic love (and what the keener of the dogmatic Christians would find the most offensive) - it certainly goes far beyond the black and white world of the bible.
PS By "church authorities" (perhaps a bad choice of words), I merely meant those within a particlar structured religious organization who are responsible for setting the moral standards for the other followers of that institution. ("this country" was in fact US, I don't even know why, since I am not there at the moment, force of habit I guess) I did not mean to say they exert any authority over any other entitity. But, both, their authority on their own followers (even if it is not absolute by any means), and their indirect influence on other entities are very significant still.
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Very true! This is the first game I've played since I finished Max Payne (a few days before it hit stores, I believe ;) I paid for a retail copy afterwards, though)
I just kinda wish I didn't get CivIII right before finals.
I wasn't trying to say anything about the relative merits of ASP (I've used it, its OK).
;)
I was merely pointing out that they have to be completely married to MS even on the server side to be using it, which makes their waxing poetic on how great it is to replace the desktop with Linux, a bit ironic.
PS ASP may "blow out of the water" it's variants, but that's not true for other scripting languages
"The gas is yours, the ideas -- ours!" Blech.
;)
Touche. I haven't seen a translation, but Mel Brooks (someone I otherwise like and admire) made and awful, awful slapstick comedy out of it.
When I first read it, I thought this was one of the most striking literary images of Jesus, and I still think that one of the most important points this book makes is ridiculing the "scientific atheism" attitude of the Communist reality.
Being a godless infidel, doesn't mean that cannot appreaciate a good story, or a good telling of it. The story of Jesus is important and interesting in in it's own right, and Bulgakov's retelling is one of the most interesting, especially in the context of the rest of that book. Alhtough I did enjoy from the same perspective and he presented, not so much a story "about" Ieshua, but "about" Pontius Pilate. I like historical literature of almost all kinds - from textbooks to fiction.
As an example: I enjoy the story of Demeter and Kore, I think it is beautiful and quite profound (in it's own context) at the same time. But to appreciate it, I don't have to believe that Zeus is the king of the gods, and that Hades rules the Underwold, do I?
A more crass example would be to say that I don't have to think that Homer Simpson is real, to think he is funny.
As you've said yourself, my problem is with religion, not with good writing or great storytelling. And I have nothing against a world where God exists.
BTW, do you have any doubt that church authorities in this country would condemn this book as "false image of god" and an abomination of some sort (or whatever phrases they usually use in these cases) had they had the opportunity to read it? And probably banned it, if this was a few centuries ago.
Besides, Bulgakov's portrayal of how things would work is a hell of a lot more realistic than Christian dogma, especially his ending.
Well presumably Bulgaria is much closer to Russia in both language and culture, so the translation would seem easier to accomplish.
:) Same thing with "Mertvie Dushi", "Voina i Mir" (of course here the translation also misses out on the play on words), hell, even "Dvenadzat' Stul'ev"/"Zolotoy Telenok" and "Vechera na hutore bliz Dikanki" ;)
hmm... "Heart of a Dog"... why is it that so many Russian titles just don't carry the same, I don't know, "punch" when translated? "Sobachye Serdce" - there's a title! "Heart of a dog" just sounds bland and uninteresting
I am actually pretty lucky that Russian is my native language and I can read these without much investment... now I only need to learn German and French - I have a sneaking suspicion that translations of Hesse, Kafka and Proust are as poor as some already mentioned... well, maybe not quite that bad.
Coupled with the actual content of the article, somehow that's one of the sadest things I've seen.
Presumably windows was only used for a few select tasks in this case and so only a few copies (oh I am sorry - "licenses") were purchased, rather than buying it for everyone. Which would work out to cheaper.
At least that would be my guess.
Best. Book. Ever.
Bulgakov is quite seriously one of the greatest writers of this century (well the previous century, technically, I suppose). Although all the English translations I've seen are piss (even here, it's not a "heart attack" but a "sarkoma lehkogo" damned if I know how to translate it properly, but they didn't even try) - I highly recommend learning Russian just to read this book - trust me, it's worth it.
PS Let's not forget the classic translation of "Tozhe mne, Binom Newtona! On umret..." as "Using Newton's Binom, I've calculated that he will die..." - How do I even begin with that one?
Better hope she doesn't get carded! j/k ;)
seriously though, I don't tell people what to read, but that doesn't mean I won't poke fun at what they do choose.
I wasn't serious - I was in a pissy mood (happens every once in a while) and this is just one of those things that gets my g0at.
:)
Anyway, finals in a couple days, some pesky part of my subconscienceness (can, like, anyone spell that word?) is telling me I have other things to do.
Nice flame war though - well executed everyone.
reading these articles makes me feel like I am not sweating in my loins and shuddering enough about this thing?
/.?)
What's the big deal? Another way to haul your lazy fat ass around. Yes, "bigger than the Internet" indeed.
(or should I be posting this to the Ginger-based version of
really nothing more than highly complex chemical reactions. Yes?
Well, no, as a matter of fact. Thats why arguing with creationsists is boring and frustrating, they know nothing about science.
But even that's even irrelevant, yes many people can only feel good about themselves if they believe that they have a "soul" given to them by "god" - it makes them feel special. And if someone tries to argue with that, they of course get upset, they are not as "special" anymore. In the end all these arguments come down to childish bullshit. (not to be confused with inane bullshit, whish is what your rambling about rationality was)
BTW, our favorite subject - computers - can make truth statements (00 AND 10 == 10), does that mean they have souls as well?
PS before you ask me to "prove" why they aren't - I am not here to educate you, go pick up a nice book on the subject, or take a year or two of psychology or even just neurology at your local institution of higher learning.
Why not go the whole nine yards and just abandon it completely? You'll be a lot better off. ;-)
I did. You must have not seen my other post on the same subject. You win.
You've convinced me that that we were all created by an invisible man in the sky about five thousand years ago.
(my utter dessimation is partially based upon the fact that you wouldn't know "real scince" of which you speak so fondly, if it came up and bit you on the ass - pardon the cliche - and I have no power whatsoever to change that)
PS I spoke from experience, I have an aunt who became ardently religious was baptized and started going to church when she started hearing voices in her head; she stopped when medication helped with that.
It means you're a nerd, but not a geek.
:)
Ouch. That's perhaps the most hurtful thing anyone's ever said to me, even without your explanation.
I do have an excuse though - when I was eight years old, I wasn't in this country yet (nor did I speak any English), so I've never heard of it. But they time I was 12, well it was a bit late, now wasn't it?
(go ahead, slash another of my precious karma points for "flamebait" - I dare ya!)
Oh yes, because once I "get" what it's saying, I will of course abandon my godless ways and turn to the True Path.
It's a nice book, has some interesting things in it (most from a historical perspective, but not all), and certainly the writers had their hearts in the right place. It's gotten a bit outdated in the last couple of millenia though, and certainly is not a substitute for personal morals and ethics, which is what it tries hardest to be.
You know nothing of my mind, or my development. I happen to think that "Go ejaculate on a window somewhere" was rather eloquent. But then, that's a matter of taste, and I have none.
None of which means that your post is not trolling. Very, very, VERY cliche trolling at that. But hey, I troll too, its fun sometimes.
I love the GIMP! I am amazed and impressed by it. The "core features" are pretty much the same as photoshop, but I like the UI much better (that's a personal preference of course) and Photoshop can't touch the scripting abilities.
Troll begone! (who the fuck modded this up anyway?)
Go ejaculate on a window somewhere.
I haven't. Does that make me not a nerd, or his crap not a saga?
I have. Hell, I'll soon be reading it in the original Koine as part of my course work.
What was that about Xena?