Your point is very correct in that there is a part of the market that only wants the fastest out there even when they would never reach topping out such a system.
I see it this way, If software never pushed the hardware to it's limits the consumer would never have a need to upgrade the hardware. The software that is most generally available that is capable of pushing CPU, memory, disk, sound, and graphics of a system to it's limits are video games. Not only that, video games are built a year or so ahead (in terms of hardware capabilities) which will push the "hardcore gamer" to the lastest hardware.
Humans are also very attracted to "shiney things". "Look at what can be done on this hardware vs this hardware" and nothing says shiney than the newest of the video game worlds.
With this being said, and adding your statement into the discussion I will clairfy my statement and say
Video games can be attributed to the pushing of faster and faster computer hardware into the consumer market.
Ask your Aunt Tillie if she should rather have a slow 3.2GHz processor or a faster state of the art 3.8GHz processor, and she will want the latter hahhaha! You could also sell her on a "slow" 3.8Ghz vs a "fast" 3.2 and she would still go for the "fast" 3.2. Of course, this isn't very ethical;)
My arguments are logical extensions to grounded reason.:P
Video games can be directly attributed to the reason computers are getting pushed faster and faster in the consumer market. Up until vista, the non gaming user would never need a 128Mb DX10 graphics card. People don't need a PPU to use Excel. Heck, even laptops have been hovering at 1.7Ghz for the last 3 years!
Are my arguments invalid or flawed? What do you attribute to the achievements that Nvidia has made in the graphics market to? Aside from compiling code or rendering video (maybe SETI) why else would you get a 3.8Ghz processor, 4G of RAM? You surely wouldn't have a need for SLI 512M 2-way GPU video cards?
Apples end-to-end device model seems to me to only be coming out of Apple's devices. Of course when you make the device, make the computer, make the operating system, and sell the service you are gonna have a good end-to-end device model. If you don't than you have a serious problem within your company.
I don't see any third parties being given access to the Mac's core to provide alternative end-to-end device solutions. Their end-to-end model is nothing more than Plug-n-Play when it comes to third partys.
My critisizm... Where are the games?
One of the biggest reasons new PCs are purchased as well as all of the new componants for the PCs are the games. Video games can be directly attributed to the reason computers are getting pushed faster and faster in the consumer market. Up until vista, the non gaming user would never need a 128Mb DX10 graphics card. People don't need a PPU to use Excel. Heck, even laptops have been hovering at 1.7Ghz for the last 3 years!
Apple has yet to get the support of the gaming development companies. Sure there are a few games getting released now and then, usually months or years after the general PC/Console release.
This discussion is about the mobile messaging market isn't it?
Some people do not know that there are alternatives. Even if the alternative is Microsoft it is still an alternative.
If a company is already using said MS product than it quite possibly makes sense that they use a feature of that product instead of spending the extra money on new devices AND a service charge?
Now with an open source project thrown into the mix that meets the same need there isn't much need to go and spend the extra money with MS or BB now is there?
So tell me why my statements make me sound like a "marketdroid"?
And then lets hear what you would suggest to a company looking to deploy a mobile messaging solution.
Another option is to use the Exchange mobile services and run your own messaging servers that way, nice thing is that it ties directly into your corporate messaging and keeps your emails on your servers. This option also gives you a wider range of devices that you can use (and probably even your existing cell phones if they were made anytime in the last 2 years).
Now if someone knows about a Linux solution it would make the setup even sweeter.:)
I'd like to see how they plan on monitoring my mage as it talks to your cleric in some obscure, nearly impossible to reach (unless you're level 50) corner of our favorite MUD."
Well, unless your favorite MUD is running over SSL they will just read your conversation out of the network packets.
A good cost analysis is worth a lot. Say you look at a new and shiney server system, it has the latest OS, servers, and features. But what is that worth?
If the cost of this "new" server is 5X more expensive (as a package) than another system that gives you the same functionality and comparable performance then knowing that this alternative exists and what the performance / price difference is would be valuable.
Here is another interesting propulsion design. Anyone have any insight into this technology.
Glow Discharge Plasma. Does this technology have promise? How about for space travel? Obviously a scramjet needs oxygen which makes space travel a little difficult.
The Hot Coffee lawsuit that was successfully brought against McDonalds was because of a faulty coffee brewer that was heating the coffee past "safe" levels as designated by the health department.
When the lady got burned she suffered 3rd degree burns on her legs and pelvis causing her immence pain and all the other fun stuff that goes along with getting 3rd degree burns (medical treatment, scarring, lost work, etc..) All of this was due to McDonalds NOT repairing a faulty piece of equipment. Next time you want to use a frivilous lawsuit example try the people that sued McDonalds for making them fat (they didnt get anything but a laugh, but the pain that this lady suffered from 3rd degree burns at the hands of a greedy corporation should not be "blown off" as a frivilous lawsuit).
yeah seriously, there has to be more to say about this discovery then "you couldnt wear it as a ring" wtf is that about. You would think a group with the name The Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics would have a bit more of a profound view on the crystalization(sp?) of a star, than "bill gates couldn't afford it". Oh well, lets hope for a more scientific update on this.
there doesnt seem to be a linux version available, I guess this means that linux users have all of the friends and IM they could ever need... seriously though, it really isnt too much more work to make a linux frontend to a network backend. I guess we will just have to wait for the next major version of gaim.
Yeah, I think with this latest argument SCO will be the ones to get the GPL into the courts. Unless of course they decide to change their minds next week.
Michael Robinson will probably let this one go to court. He has been quite outspoken in the past about MS and im sure a Cease and Desist order isn't going to scare him off especially with his past victories. Mr. Robinson seems to like picking fights with the bullies and I think he went into this knowing full well MS would bring their legal machine into it.
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That is really funny. If I had mod points you would get em.
Your point is very correct in that there is a part of the market that only wants the fastest out there even when they would never reach topping out such a system.
;)
:P
I see it this way, If software never pushed the hardware to it's limits the consumer would never have a need to upgrade the hardware. The software that is most generally available that is capable of pushing CPU, memory, disk, sound, and graphics of a system to it's limits are video games. Not only that, video games are built a year or so ahead (in terms of hardware capabilities) which will push the "hardcore gamer" to the lastest hardware.
Humans are also very attracted to "shiney things". "Look at what can be done on this hardware vs this hardware" and nothing says shiney than the newest of the video game worlds.
With this being said, and adding your statement into the discussion I will clairfy my statement and say
Video games can be attributed to the pushing of faster and faster computer hardware into the consumer market.
Ask your Aunt Tillie if she should rather have a slow 3.2GHz processor or a faster state of the art 3.8GHz processor, and she will want the latter
hahhaha! You could also sell her on a "slow" 3.8Ghz vs a "fast" 3.2 and she would still go for the "fast" 3.2. Of course, this isn't very ethical
My arguments are logical extensions to grounded reason.
Says me,
Video games can be directly attributed to the reason computers are getting pushed faster and faster in the consumer market. Up until vista, the non gaming user would never need a 128Mb DX10 graphics card. People don't need a PPU to use Excel. Heck, even laptops have been hovering at 1.7Ghz for the last 3 years!
Are my arguments invalid or flawed? What do you attribute to the achievements that Nvidia has made in the graphics market to? Aside from compiling code or rendering video (maybe SETI) why else would you get a 3.8Ghz processor, 4G of RAM? You surely wouldn't have a need for SLI 512M 2-way GPU video cards?
Apples end-to-end device model seems to me to only be coming out of Apple's devices. Of course when you make the device, make the computer, make the operating system, and sell the service you are gonna have a good end-to-end device model. If you don't than you have a serious problem within your company.
I don't see any third parties being given access to the Mac's core to provide alternative end-to-end device solutions. Their end-to-end model is nothing more than Plug-n-Play when it comes to third partys.
My critisizm... Where are the games?
One of the biggest reasons new PCs are purchased as well as all of the new componants for the PCs are the games. Video games can be directly attributed to the reason computers are getting pushed faster and faster in the consumer market. Up until vista, the non gaming user would never need a 128Mb DX10 graphics card. People don't need a PPU to use Excel. Heck, even laptops have been hovering at 1.7Ghz for the last 3 years!
Apple has yet to get the support of the gaming development companies. Sure there are a few games getting released now and then, usually months or years after the general PC/Console release.
Has Apple even attempted to get into this market?
You sound like a marketdroid.
This discussion is about the mobile messaging market isn't it?
Some people do not know that there are alternatives. Even if the alternative is Microsoft it is still an alternative.
If a company is already using said MS product than it quite possibly makes sense that they use a feature of that product instead of spending the extra money on new devices AND a service charge?
Now with an open source project thrown into the mix that meets the same need there isn't much need to go and spend the extra money with MS or BB now is there?
So tell me why my statements make me sound like a "marketdroid"?
And then lets hear what you would suggest to a company looking to deploy a mobile messaging solution.
Though Exchange SP2 does support "push" email with MS Mobile Services v5 WARNING: Microsoft publicity page , here is an Open Source solution I have just came across. funambol open source messaging platform which could help us keep the costs down when implementing mobile email solutions.
Another option is to use the Exchange mobile services and run your own messaging servers that way, nice thing is that it ties directly into your corporate messaging and keeps your emails on your servers. This option also gives you a wider range of devices that you can use (and probably even your existing cell phones if they were made anytime in the last 2 years).
:)
Now if someone knows about a Linux solution it would make the setup even sweeter.
Yeah, you can get cracked xbox 360s right off of ebay. $100!
I am holding out for the Phantom Game Console!
Like maybe correctly converting standard to metric?? Or maybe they just decided to do it all in metric and get it right the first time...
But you ARE trolling. You have still failed to explain how HL2 configured to use the same shader version as BF1942 looks better than BF2?
As we both know, you dont have an explaination because it isn't true and you are just trolling.
Bring some real discussion to the party next time.
How is HL2 Grapically superior? HL2 without the 2.0 shaders looks like bf1942.
I know you're a troll, you know you're a troll. Now only if the moderators could see it.
April Fools!
I'd like to see how they plan on monitoring my mage as it talks to your cleric in some obscure, nearly impossible to reach (unless you're level 50) corner of our favorite MUD."
Well, unless your favorite MUD is running over SSL they will just read your conversation out of the network packets.
A good cost analysis is worth a lot. Say you look at a new and shiney server system, it has the latest OS, servers, and features. But what is that worth?
If the cost of this "new" server is 5X more expensive (as a package) than another system that gives you the same functionality and comparable performance then knowing that this alternative exists and what the performance / price difference is would be valuable.
Here is another interesting propulsion design. Anyone have any insight into this technology. Glow Discharge Plasma. Does this technology have promise? How about for space travel? Obviously a scramjet needs oxygen which makes space travel a little difficult.
The broken thermostat looks like it came from some newsgroups with no linking sources, I will no longer use that as part of the discussion.
but, here are a list of facts, about the case just incase you still think it was frivilous.
here
The Hot Coffee lawsuit that was successfully brought against McDonalds was because of a faulty coffee brewer that was heating the coffee past "safe" levels as designated by the health department.
When the lady got burned she suffered 3rd degree burns on her legs and pelvis causing her immence pain and all the other fun stuff that goes along with getting 3rd degree burns (medical treatment, scarring, lost work, etc..) All of this was due to McDonalds NOT repairing a faulty piece of equipment. Next time you want to use a frivilous lawsuit example try the people that sued McDonalds for making them fat (they didnt get anything but a laugh, but the pain that this lady suffered from 3rd degree burns at the hands of a greedy corporation should not be "blown off" as a frivilous lawsuit).
yeah seriously, there has to be more to say about this discovery then "you couldnt wear it as a ring" wtf is that about. You would think a group with the name The Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics would have a bit more of a profound view on the crystalization(sp?) of a star, than "bill gates couldn't afford it". Oh well, lets hope for a more scientific update on this.
But I ate that last night....
there doesnt seem to be a linux version available, I guess this means that linux users have all of the friends and IM they could ever need... seriously though, it really isnt too much more work to make a linux frontend to a network backend. I guess we will just have to wait for the next major version of gaim.
Yeah, I think with this latest argument SCO will be the ones to get the GPL into the courts. Unless of course they decide to change their minds next week.
LOL,
If you refresh the page you can watch the dis-approval votes climb and climb.
Gotta love a good slashdotting at the polls.
Michael Robinson will probably let this one go to court. He has been quite outspoken in the past about MS and im sure a Cease and Desist order isn't going to scare him off especially with his past victories.
Mr. Robinson seems to like picking fights with the bullies and I think he went into this knowing full well MS would bring their legal machine into it.
And I was just beginning to worry about not being in SCOmpliance....