Yes, "ex post facto" would apply. But wouldn't it apply only to previously infected machines? Worms, being worms, continue to propagate. The worm you wrote yesterday could infect someone tomorrow. Would ex post facto cover the future (and now illegal) behavior of a program you wrote in the past?
Because if not, every worm writing script kiddie is probably crapping a load right now. The law goes into effect today. If your worm infects someone tomorrow, even if you wrote it years ago, you're hosed.
So much for LCD prices coming down! Where's OLED when you need it?
Wrong! The problem here is not OLED!
The problem here is the fucking stupid patent system! Submarine patents should be illegal. If you want a lottery ticket, go buy one. Don't clutter up the courts with nonsense bullshit gold digging.
And don't turn a blind eye to companies who pull this horseshit. Don't just roll over and take it. "Here's hoping OLED comes out soon"??? Bullcrap. Here's hoping the US Courts System someday pulls their collective heads out of their asses and fixes things.
The San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that the Air Force is actively pursuing antimatter weapons. Such weapons would easy eclipse nuclear weapons in power, e.g., 1 gram of antimatter would equal 23 space shuttle fuel tanks of energy.
Are we sure they're pursuing weapons? We are talking about the Air Force, and it's funny how they'd compare the relative energy to a spaceship fuel tank, of all things...
"We've had DRM in Windows for years. The most common format of music on an iPod is 'stolen'."
Because everybody knows windows is all about security. If you put a pirated mp3 on a windows box, the drm system won't allow you to access it. All the windows boxes running eMule and Kaaza are merely figments of your imagination. They're iPods. Honest.
Amit Yoran, a former software executive from Symantec Corp., informed the White House about his plans to quit as director of the National Cyber Security Division
Amit? Shouldn't the default firewall configuration be deny?
Ba dump bump! Thanks, I'll be here all week. Try the veal.
Shock absorbers. This stuff would make fantastic shock absorbers.
Reinforcement for solid structures. Somebody already mentioned skyscrapers, but I'm also envisoning other more improbable structures, like hurricaine proof buildings. Wind blows, soften up the beams and let her bend a bit. Wind stops, stiffen the supports back up.
Mecha. This has to be used in mecha. Beams that can bend a bit, be solid or fluid, would be excellent in 50 foot killer robots. You know it.
Tank armour. Make it solid and when stuff hits, it breaks. Change temperature, and it melts. Change temp again and it becomes solid again, with no signs of previous damage. Regenerating armour.
Uh, maybe because there is more than one DMV office, they a geographically distributed over the state, and putting in your own WAN is a lot more expensive than just piggybacking on the internet?
Well, that's correct, of course. But a VPN and giving everyone full internet access are two different things. Configured correctly, the users shouldn't even know how they can see the computers from the other office.
Maybe all their machines have floppy drives; why are you assuming the viruses were spread through the internet?
Well, the trend these days seems to be worm type programs spreading through your net connection. Spyware, malware, spam bots...you see a lot of them these days. Back when the floppy disc was the main method of data transmission, that's when you'd see the boot sector viruses. Not a lot of new boot sector viruses these days. True, you have to still look out for the old ones, but these days it's all net worms. IIRC, the last really big boot sector virus around was Michelangelo, and that was many years ago.
I beleive their best bet would be a serious firewall and a competent IT staff.
Couldn't agree more. I'd also add to that list switching to Firefox, and doing away with Outlook.
True enough, you'd need to disable internet access, down your LAN, then wipe everyone's computer. After that, bring up your LAN - but keep internet disabled.
As for email, host your own. One net connection goes to the LAN, and another goes to the internet. No gateway, and no web.
And take a few antivirus steps, such as having the email server strip attachments and images from inbound mail. Run good antivirus software and all that.
It's all basic IT stuff, really. Windows is vulnerable, users are usually fairly clueless...so prepare for it.
Or...skip all of the above and get your apps running under WINE.;^)
How about blocking all traffic from the DMV department to the internet? Why the hell do their license computers need to be on the net anyways? A local net to talk to your databases and internal email, sure. But internet access?
Cisco may provide what evidense they have of the intrusion. But the FBI will still be running its own investigation and ultimately coming to their own conclusions - even if they end up matching Cisco's.
Ah - I see that. Yeah, that could be the case. Good point.
But - I still think "Cisco said that it had not been stolen as a result of loopholes in its software" is probably a bogus statement. How could anyone possibly know that to be 100% true? That is, unless they have the schmuck on a videocamera stealing computers or something seriously obvious like that.
To me, it sounds like a marketing guy trying to play a quick round of cover-your-ass in the media. Important - especially since these guys are supposed to make equipment to help with security.
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Developers, developers, developers.
You know, the guys who come up with third party software. Last week, your allies. This week, your scapegoats.
It's kind of like being a mouse watching two professional wrestlers fighting over a hoagie.
"Ooo look! Crumbs!
Jeez, with a manual that big it should be named coma.
Aha AC! You've hit on my very point.
Yes, "ex post facto" would apply. But wouldn't it apply only to previously infected machines? Worms, being worms, continue to propagate. The worm you wrote yesterday could infect someone tomorrow. Would ex post facto cover the future (and now illegal) behavior of a program you wrote in the past?
Oops. Got excited and left out the "if" part. Crap.
Because if not, every worm writing script kiddie is probably crapping a load right now. The law goes into effect today. If your worm infects someone tomorrow, even if you wrote it years ago, you're hosed.
I hope.
Here's why:
So much for LCD prices coming down! Where's OLED when you need it?
Wrong! The problem here is not OLED!
The problem here is the fucking stupid patent system! Submarine patents should be illegal. If you want a lottery ticket, go buy one. Don't clutter up the courts with nonsense bullshit gold digging.
And don't turn a blind eye to companies who pull this horseshit. Don't just roll over and take it. "Here's hoping OLED comes out soon"??? Bullcrap. Here's hoping the US Courts System someday pulls their collective heads out of their asses and fixes things.
EOR
Only mac users call the command line the 'CLI'...
Nope. The Amiga always called its shell the CLI.
The San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that the Air Force is actively pursuing antimatter weapons. Such weapons would easy eclipse nuclear weapons in power, e.g., 1 gram of antimatter would equal 23 space shuttle fuel tanks of energy.
Are we sure they're pursuing weapons? We are talking about the Air Force, and it's funny how they'd compare the relative energy to a spaceship fuel tank, of all things...
From the article:
"We've had DRM in Windows for years. The most common format of music on an iPod is 'stolen'."
Because everybody knows windows is all about security. If you put a pirated mp3 on a windows box, the drm system won't allow you to access it. All the windows boxes running eMule and Kaaza are merely figments of your imagination. They're iPods. Honest.
Amit Yoran, a former software executive from Symantec Corp., informed the White House about his plans to quit as director of the National Cyber Security Division
Amit? Shouldn't the default firewall configuration be deny?
Ba dump bump! Thanks, I'll be here all week. Try the veal.
How many machines are out there that have had earlier versions of windows on them that are now currently running a pirate copy of XP?
You know, those Win2K boxes were just bought so that people could pirate XP onto them.
Microsoft gets sued again for infringing on SPX Netmeeting software patents.
Shock absorbers. This stuff would make fantastic shock absorbers.
Reinforcement for solid structures. Somebody already mentioned skyscrapers, but I'm also envisoning other more improbable structures, like hurricaine proof buildings. Wind blows, soften up the beams and let her bend a bit. Wind stops, stiffen the supports back up.
Mecha. This has to be used in mecha. Beams that can bend a bit, be solid or fluid, would be excellent in 50 foot killer robots. You know it.
Tank armour. Make it solid and when stuff hits, it breaks. Change temperature, and it melts. Change temp again and it becomes solid again, with no signs of previous damage. Regenerating armour.
I completely agree. And it would be even worse than that.
Let's say that today, right now, the very best PC you can get is a level 10. Then, let's wait a year.
See where I'm going? What'll next year's very best be? A level 11? The system will wind up looking like Spinal Tap's amplifiers.
"No, mate. My PC goes to 11."
Uh, maybe because there is more than one DMV office, they a geographically distributed over the state, and putting in your own WAN is a lot more expensive than just piggybacking on the internet?
Well, that's correct, of course. But a VPN and giving everyone full internet access are two different things. Configured correctly, the users shouldn't even know how they can see the computers from the other office.
Maybe all their machines have floppy drives; why are you assuming the viruses were spread through the internet?
Well, the trend these days seems to be worm type programs spreading through your net connection. Spyware, malware, spam bots...you see a lot of them these days. Back when the floppy disc was the main method of data transmission, that's when you'd see the boot sector viruses. Not a lot of new boot sector viruses these days. True, you have to still look out for the old ones, but these days it's all net worms. IIRC, the last really big boot sector virus around was Michelangelo, and that was many years ago.
I beleive their best bet would be a serious firewall and a competent IT staff.
Couldn't agree more. I'd also add to that list switching to Firefox, and doing away with Outlook.
True enough, you'd need to disable internet access, down your LAN, then wipe everyone's computer. After that, bring up your LAN - but keep internet disabled.
As for email, host your own. One net connection goes to the LAN, and another goes to the internet. No gateway, and no web.
And take a few antivirus steps, such as having the email server strip attachments and images from inbound mail. Run good antivirus software and all that.
It's all basic IT stuff, really. Windows is vulnerable, users are usually fairly clueless...so prepare for it.
Or...skip all of the above and get your apps running under WINE. ;^)
How about blocking all traffic from the DMV department to the internet? Why the hell do their license computers need to be on the net anyways? A local net to talk to your databases and internal email, sure. But internet access?
Funniest comment in the whole thread, best laugh I've had in a while. Bravo.
...just have my beta unit go watch it, and tell me about it later.
George Bush and John Kerry sign up for MSDN subscriptions.
Y'know what's funny? I didn't say which regime would be changing. Ours, by possibly voting out Bush, or the country we invade who fails to comply.
Kinda like holding up the picture of the candlestick. Some people see the candlestick, and some see two faces.
And oh yeah, decaf is just as tasty.
"Regime change".
Cisco may provide what evidense they have of the intrusion. But the FBI will still be running its own investigation and ultimately coming to their own conclusions - even if they end up matching Cisco's.
Ah - I see that. Yeah, that could be the case. Good point.
But - I still think "Cisco said that it had not been stolen as a result of loopholes in its software" is probably a bogus statement. How could anyone possibly know that to be 100% true? That is, unless they have the schmuck on a videocamera stealing computers or something seriously obvious like that.
To me, it sounds like a marketing guy trying to play a quick round of cover-your-ass in the media. Important - especially since these guys are supposed to make equipment to help with security.