How the hell is a custom login script a "hack"? We have 140,000+ users and have a custom login script that runs. Are we l33t hackers now?
Group Policy is a 100% must for a windows envrioment
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. So if I went to a small company with 2 servers and 5 desktops I "MUST" setup a GP? I wouldn't even build a domain for such a small network.
Trolls beware, parent have a very, very good point. Several of them.
Judging by your UserID, you are very new here. The parent post doesn't have a "very, very good point". And how in the hell do you come to the conclusion that the parent has "Several of them"? Here is the parent Were are the "several" points?
I would have expected a big push for compliance with the whole.NET campaign they are pushing, a lot of it revolves around web app creation
MS's.Net sends down different HTML depending on whether you are making the request with an IE browser or a non-IE browser. It is one of the things I really _hate_ about.Net. I actually like C# a lot and use it every day, I just can't stand how MS tries to lock out everyone.
For example, in a.Net web app, you can add validators. So if you have a text input, you can validate that it is not empty when a form is submitted. This is _very_ simple JavaScript. However, with.Net, if you are using an IE browser, you will get an error message without going to the server. If it is a non-IE browser, it requires a round-trip to the server. How crappy is that? Like the people at MS could not write some simple standards compliant JavaScript to check if a freaking field is empty or not before a form post.
That is just one example. There are tons of others with the "built-in" web controls with the.Net framework that have all been made to work well in IE and have limited functionality in non-IE browser.
Because of crap like MS does with.Net, it has made me use Java/JSP for web apps. At least then I can control how well my applications can work with different clients and not be subjected to MS trying to make the world MS-only.
I really don't know what is wrong with MS. I mean, not all of their products are bad, and I really like some of MS's products. If they would just _compete_ and stop listening to their marketing/business @ssholes MS probably would not be too bad. All MS needs to do is compete and allow others to try to compete. MS needs to stop _all_ of their lock-in crap.
Seriously, look at the amount of dedication that OSS programmers show. MS could have that same loyalty if they just gave a _little_ back to the community. I am not talking about their crap "shared" source license or the wimpy XML setup wizard they released. I am talking a few major contributions of their code that they let a _community_ improve could make a world of difference to MS and their reputation.
...But in the meantime, Firefox will continue to get better and MS won't catch up...
I agree. At the fortune 500 I work for, we have 140,000+ employees. Here are the home login stats over the last few weeks. I certainly can see a non-IE trend.
How are you going to get on the internet to download another webbrowser without a webbrowser?
So you have _never_ downloaded anything off the internet without a web browser? Come on now, this is not a tough one. I have tons of scripts running on production boxes that download a lot of stuff and never once use a web browser. Lets see, some use an ftp client, some use wget, etc.
It would not be hard for MS to have a selection at install time asking a user what web browser they want to use and let them pick from the top 3-5 browsers out there based on market share.
I agree. It wasn't a bad idea, but it _was_ poorly implemented. MS allows system hooks (I have programmed many for the company I work for) which can get past most of their start-up "security". MS should have really locked down the kernel and prevented anything from getting into the system when it starts up.
However, I do see the problem MS faced. If they made system hooks too restrictive, it would realy hurts third party programmers that needed a system service to start up without a user login. So, ofcourse MS picked the most lucrative path, instead of the most secure ; )
Huh? What system defaults to having Sun Jave enabled by default?
I have a Win XP SP2 system and a Fedora Core 3 Linux System at home and neither have Java installed by default. Exactly what system is vulnerable to this "by default"?
Why worry with buying and installing software that is MS Only? Just use the web interfaces to H&R Block or TurboTax. Last year I used H&R Block's web site and it worked well with Firefox/Linux. This year I used TurboTax's web site and IMO, it was even better/easier. I had no problems using it with Firefox. Although for some stupid reason they said that Linux wasn't supported so I just used the Firefox UA Switcher extention and change my browser to be Firefox on WinXP and had no problems.
Doesn't France have free speech rights? I thought the USA was getting bad with slowing taking rights away from citizens and giving them to the government or corporations. It seems like France just beat out the USA IMO.
It looks like the rest of the world has pretty much caught up with the USA. France denies free speech, the EU bows to big corps and OKs software patents, AU is considering fines for people or corporations if they use the Internet to incite or promote suicide methods.
Did you RTFA? The problem here is that this guy has taken the code to PearPC and is trying to sell it as his own proprietary work _not_ under the GPL. Well, you cannot do that with the GPL. To put it another way, basically this guy went and took MS Office, made a few changes to the look and is now selling it as CherryOffice. Do you think MS would sit back and just smile at him? Hell no. He would be in court in no time at all. So exactly why should GPL authors sit back and let their own works be stolen and passed off as proprietary works?
There is a _huge_ difference between code reuse and stealing code. If this guy simply was trying to sell CherryOS (really just the GPLed PearPC) but he kept it as a GPLed work, there would be no legal problems for him.
Huh? What are you talking about? CherryOS is just PearPC. The problem is, is that Maui-X-Stream (CherryOS) is trying to claim that CherryOS is not PearPC but their own proprietary creation. Those claims were proven false last year.
Imagine that this "company" had taken the leaked MS source code and tried to pass it off as their proprietary creation? MS would have busted them up in court by now.
If this "company" had release CherryOS as a for-pay product but kept it under the GPL, there would have been no problems. However, what this company has done is taken the GPled PearPC code and made a few changes and then release it as their own proprietary work and have locked the source code away. Clearly that is not allowed with the GPL. Legally the company can do two things. They can change their license to the GPL and make the source code and all changes available under the GPL or they can stop distributing the software. No other software company would sit idle and let some other company take their work and pass it as their own, so why should GPL authors be expected to do that? If you want to use copyrighted works you need to adhere to the copyright terms. The GPL gives you far more rights than standard copyright; however there are still a few "rules" that need to be followed in order to be compliant.
Did you read TFA? This guy/company is trying to take GPLed software and make it proprietary and pass it as their own work. Did you read the license that comes with the donwnload? It is not a GPL license any more:
2.07 LICENSEE may not assign this Agreement or
transfer the Licensed Work.
Well, that certainly isn't valid for a GPLed work.
2.04 The license granted to LICENSEE under this Agreement is non-exclusive and shall expire on the fifteenth day following download of the Licensed Work by LICENSEE from MXS
Huh? How can this guy cancel your right to the GPLed work?
The problem here is that this guy has stole the code from PearPC and is passing it off as CherryOS and selling it as a proprietary work. Now if this guy had been selling it as CherryOS and kept it a GPLed work, there would be no problems, however that is clearly not the case.
Microsoft could appeal, charging these people as being biased and rigging the bidding
Do you really think that charge would stand? Did you RTFA? MS wanted $150(US) per copy of their office suite while Corel wanted $40(US) per copy. Do the math. Any court would laugh MS out based on those numbers. Clearly someone with some _balls_ said WordPerfect is "good enough" and "does what we need" and cost considerably less, so why should we (the U.S. Justice Dept.) pay the MS "tax"?
Not only that, but Yahoo still favors IE for a lot of their content. I switched all my searches to Google and switched from Yahoo Mail to GMail because of that. For example, Yahoo! Mail has a feature that lets you do some rich text entry instead of plain text. However it only works in IE 5.5+. Mozilla/Firefox support rich text editing, so why leave out those browsers? There are plenty of cross-browser rich text editors out there, even an Open Source cross-browser richtext editor called FCKeditor. It works with plain HTML, ASP, PHP, JSP and others. I also always have problems getting the news video clips to play on Yahoo!. Yahoo! always tries to default to Windows Meadia even though I keep setting my prefs to Real.
Things like I listed above is why I left Yahoo! for Google.
Hey buddy, I already have a copyright on an invisible galaxy, or an invisible _anything_. This "work of art" is copyrighted by ME and anyone that tries to duplicate it will be in copyright violation. If you would like to reproduce an "invisible" "work of art" please contact my lawyers at:
The Law Office
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
While I agree that those two items would be dumb, there will always be idiots, greedy people to try to make money however they can. IMO, it far worse for our legal system to uphold some "law" based on this type of corruption. If a silent music track can be copyrighted it is pretty sad IMO. Actualy, the lawyers for John Cage settled out of court for an undisclosed six-figure sum over copyright infringement of John Cage's 4'33" song wich is nothing but silence! So a bunch of dirt-bag lawyers won a six-figure sum for a bunch of silence!
Well, if you break into my home and do not steal a single item, you still committed several crimes. Breaking and Entering, trespassing, etc.
The guy could be busted for the crappy DMCA stuff, I am not sure about anything else though. How dumb would our legal system look if it found this guy guilty of copyright violation for complete silence?
Six minutes is a _long_ time to get nice abs! (Yes, I saw the movie and love it). However, I am going to introduce a new form of ab exercise that should sweep the nation. Many Americans are already doing it. I am working with Anheuser-Busch on the trademark issues and once that is resolved, I will release my new Budweiser Abs program, sure to be a win with the ladies!
but I don't think it is to much to ask to find someone who actually has been harmed.
Unless that person is you? Are you married with children? If not, than you will have _no_ clue what I am about to talk about. However, as a husband and a father of two, I personally could not wait to this point. Imagine if this "someone" was _you_ or more importantly, some one you _really_ love. This harm causes them to lose everything they have, money, home, etc. So does it still sound like we should just wait around until someone is harmed by a bad law?
I certainly don't think so. I would hate to have all I have taken away from me because of a bad law. I would hate to see my family suffer because of a bad law.
Most people who make statements like you don't have much to lose. Maybe your XBox will be taken? Oh no. Sorry, I personally think you are _way_ off on this issue. We (The People) shouldn't have to sit around waiting to be taken advantage of and/or destroyed financially until we can/should be allowed to act against our _own_ government.
The standard "home" inkjets don't have PostScript, especially the cheap, rock-bottom-price Lexmarks. I wasn't talking about Lexmark's laser printers, which may be fine (I have never used one). However, for the typical "home" inkjet, Lexmark has zero Linux support while HP has open source drivers. My 3-in-1 Lexmark printer, scanner and copier had _zero_ support under Linux, it was a paper weight. In contrast, my 3-in-1 HP printer, scanner and copier has open source Linux drivers that allowed me to print, scan and copy under Linux.
I also had a bunch of problem with the Lexmark WinXP driver for the 3-in-1. It would just stop responding ever 3-5 days and I would have to reboot to "fix" it. Then after 3-5 days, it would stop again, rinse and repeat. It wasn't the best end-user experience for me.
I agree with you 100%. A good laser printer is way better than a good inkjet. However, color laser is still _very_ expensive, so for home color printing, most consumers are left with the typical inkjet. The Lexmarks I owned were all inkjets. The last one was the Lexmark three-in-one printer, scanner and copier, I think it was the Lexmark X83. It sucked and didn't work under Linux at all. The WinXP drivers also sucked and it would stop printing for no reason. The only "fix" was a reboot which would last maybe 2-3 days and than the printing would stop again.
The HP 3-in-1 I have now is the PSC 2110 (I think that is the model), and it works well under WinXP and it works great under Linux. Under Linux, I didn't have to instal any dirvers and I have been able to print, scan and copy. Under MS Windows I had to install drivers in a _very_ certain order for it to work and the driver disk also installed about 500MB of extra crap software I don't want/need, though it does work fiine.
I have been personally looking into a laser printer that supports PS or PCL so I don't have to worry about stupid drivers. However, my wife still wants to do about 2 or 3 color prints per week, so I need to keep some inkjet around.
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For example, in a .Net web app, you can add validators. So if you have a text input, you can validate that it is not empty when a form is submitted. This is _very_ simple JavaScript. However, with .Net, if you are using an IE browser, you will get an error message without going to the server. If it is a non-IE browser, it requires a round-trip to the server. How crappy is that? Like the people at MS could not write some simple standards compliant JavaScript to check if a freaking field is empty or not before a form post.
That is just one example. There are tons of others with the "built-in" web controls with the .Net framework that have all been made to work well in IE and have limited functionality in non-IE browser.
Because of crap like MS does with .Net, it has made me use Java/JSP for web apps. At least then I can control how well my applications can work with different clients and not be subjected to MS trying to make the world MS-only.
I really don't know what is wrong with MS. I mean, not all of their products are bad, and I really like some of MS's products. If they would just _compete_ and stop listening to their marketing/business @ssholes MS probably would not be too bad. All MS needs to do is compete and allow others to try to compete. MS needs to stop _all_ of their lock-in crap.
Seriously, look at the amount of dedication that OSS programmers show. MS could have that same loyalty if they just gave a _little_ back to the community. I am not talking about their crap "shared" source license or the wimpy XML setup wizard they released. I am talking a few major contributions of their code that they let a _community_ improve could make a world of difference to MS and their reputation.
...But in the meantime, Firefox will continue to get better and MS won't catch up...
I agree. At the fortune 500 I work for, we have 140,000+ employees. Here are the home login stats over the last few weeks. I certainly can see a non-IE trend.
Week Logins Non-IE-Logins Non-IE Percent
11/01/2004 - 11/07/2004 62,777 4,363 6.95%
11/08/2004 - 11/14/2004 78,298 5,521 7.05%
11/15/2004 - 11/21/2004 78,576 5,816 7.40%
11/21/2004 - 11/30/2004 79,973 6,107 7.64%
12/01/2004 - 12/07/2004 69,855 5,675 8.12%
01/21/2005 - 01/28/2005 79,593 7,146 8.98%
01/28/2005 - 02/04/2005 82,167 7,781 9.47%
02/04/2005 - 02/11/2005 83,202 8,054 9.68%
02/11/2005 - 02/18/2005 85,038 8,645 10.17%
02/18/2005 - 02/25/2005 84,776 8,743 10.31%
02/25/2005 - 03/04/2005 92,920 9,873 10.63%
03/04/2005 - 03/11/2005 83,812 8,730 10.42%
03/11/2005 - 03/18/2005 52,326 5,561 10.63%
It would not be hard for MS to have a selection at install time asking a user what web browser they want to use and let them pick from the top 3-5 browsers out there based on market share.
However, I do see the problem MS faced. If they made system hooks too restrictive, it would realy hurts third party programmers that needed a system service to start up without a user login. So, ofcourse MS picked the most lucrative path, instead of the most secure ; )
I have a Win XP SP2 system and a Fedora Core 3 Linux System at home and neither have Java installed by default. Exactly what system is vulnerable to this "by default"?
Why worry with buying and installing software that is MS Only? Just use the web interfaces to H&R Block or TurboTax. Last year I used H&R Block's web site and it worked well with Firefox/Linux. This year I used TurboTax's web site and IMO, it was even better/easier. I had no problems using it with Firefox. Although for some stupid reason they said that Linux wasn't supported so I just used the Firefox UA Switcher extention and change my browser to be Firefox on WinXP and had no problems.
My bad ; )
It looks like the rest of the world has pretty much caught up with the USA. France denies free speech, the EU bows to big corps and OKs software patents, AU is considering fines for people or corporations if they use the Internet to incite or promote suicide methods.
Is there any decent government left in the world?
There is a _huge_ difference between code reuse and stealing code. If this guy simply was trying to sell CherryOS (really just the GPLed PearPC) but he kept it as a GPLed work, there would be no legal problems for him.
Imagine that this "company" had taken the leaked MS source code and tried to pass it off as their proprietary creation? MS would have busted them up in court by now.
If this "company" had release CherryOS as a for-pay product but kept it under the GPL, there would have been no problems. However, what this company has done is taken the GPled PearPC code and made a few changes and then release it as their own proprietary work and have locked the source code away. Clearly that is not allowed with the GPL. Legally the company can do two things. They can change their license to the GPL and make the source code and all changes available under the GPL or they can stop distributing the software. No other software company would sit idle and let some other company take their work and pass it as their own, so why should GPL authors be expected to do that? If you want to use copyrighted works you need to adhere to the copyright terms. The GPL gives you far more rights than standard copyright; however there are still a few "rules" that need to be followed in order to be compliant.
The problem here is that this guy has stole the code from PearPC and is passing it off as CherryOS and selling it as a proprietary work. Now if this guy had been selling it as CherryOS and kept it a GPLed work, there would be no problems, however that is clearly not the case.
I agree with you 100%, sadly I didn't get to make the decision for the US Justice Dept. If I did, I would have gone with OOorg.
Things like I listed above is why I left Yahoo! for Google.
Hey buddy, I already have a copyright on an invisible galaxy, or an invisible _anything_. This "work of art" is copyrighted by ME and anyone that tries to duplicate it will be in copyright violation. If you would like to reproduce an "invisible" "work of art" please contact my lawyers at:
The Law Office
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
While I agree that those two items would be dumb, there will always be idiots, greedy people to try to make money however they can. IMO, it far worse for our legal system to uphold some "law" based on this type of corruption. If a silent music track can be copyrighted it is pretty sad IMO. Actualy, the lawyers for John Cage settled out of court for an undisclosed six-figure sum over copyright infringement of John Cage's 4'33" song wich is nothing but silence! So a bunch of dirt-bag lawyers won a six-figure sum for a bunch of silence!
The guy could be busted for the crappy DMCA stuff, I am not sure about anything else though. How dumb would our legal system look if it found this guy guilty of copyright violation for complete silence?
This may sound goofy or childish, but I would love to see someone fight the abused copyright system with a fart recording! : )
Six minutes is a _long_ time to get nice abs! (Yes, I saw the movie and love it). However, I am going to introduce a new form of ab exercise that should sweep the nation. Many Americans are already doing it. I am working with Anheuser-Busch on the trademark issues and once that is resolved, I will release my new Budweiser Abs program, sure to be a win with the ladies!
I certainly don't think so. I would hate to have all I have taken away from me because of a bad law. I would hate to see my family suffer because of a bad law.
Most people who make statements like you don't have much to lose. Maybe your XBox will be taken? Oh no. Sorry, I personally think you are _way_ off on this issue. We (The People) shouldn't have to sit around waiting to be taken advantage of and/or destroyed financially until we can/should be allowed to act against our _own_ government.
I also had a bunch of problem with the Lexmark WinXP driver for the 3-in-1. It would just stop responding ever 3-5 days and I would have to reboot to "fix" it. Then after 3-5 days, it would stop again, rinse and repeat. It wasn't the best end-user experience for me.
The HP 3-in-1 I have now is the PSC 2110 (I think that is the model), and it works well under WinXP and it works great under Linux. Under Linux, I didn't have to instal any dirvers and I have been able to print, scan and copy. Under MS Windows I had to install drivers in a _very_ certain order for it to work and the driver disk also installed about 500MB of extra crap software I don't want/need, though it does work fiine.
I have been personally looking into a laser printer that supports PS or PCL so I don't have to worry about stupid drivers. However, my wife still wants to do about 2 or 3 color prints per week, so I need to keep some inkjet around.