Re:Mo Money! Mo Money! Mo Money!
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Windows ATMs by 2005
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· Score: 3, Insightful
I know you are trying to be funny, but if you look at windows security now verses 5 years ago you will find that its drastically improved.
Man you live in never-never land. Windows security has NOT gotten any better. The stability of the OS has finally gotten to an acceptable level, however the security has not. Have you been asleep for the last few weeks with the string of SEVERE holes in MS software for win2k, XP and 2003?
Windows ATM will most likley be based on Windows XP/Embedded, which Microsoft are selling for around $3 a processor. Linux would probably cost much more than that because the bank would need to customize it for their needs and also need to pay experts to keep them running.
You obviously did not read the article. It stated they will be using a stripped down version of Windows NT. Also, how in the world would Linux cost more? You can get it for free and use it without license cost. Whether you use Linux or Windows on the ATM's, it WILL require experts. Period. When you deal with that much cash across the country you will not trust the development to some ASP/VB windows coder.
Windows ATM on the other hand needs no kernal patches ever time a problem is found you can just download a hotfix from their site, this requires no experts and lowers the TCO. This might also be scriptable with WSH (windows scripting host). Microsoft are not stupid if they are making a windows version for ATMs they will *Make sure* it is 100% secure.
Windows needs tons of patches and reboots, where as Linux does not. You just download a patch, apply it and your done. What brain dead idiot would use WSH to do ANYTHING on a critical ATM machine? Oh, and MS has NEVER made anything 100% secure. There has never been a 100% secure system from anyone.
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Have you looked for any alternatives? What are the names of the applications that you are trying to use? I could try them under Cross Over Office, Wine and wineX. Have you emailed the company that makes these programs to voice your opinions?
Big deal. MS is just going to wrap proprietary crap in a standards compliant XML wrapper. MS is not going to give out their office document formats. Putting it in XML is just a PR stunt. I can't believe you would even try to defend them. Everything that is NOT plain text will be in a proprietary format wrapped in XML. This won't make working with an MS office doc any easier or more open, unless of course you buy their office product.
Basically, MS is going to wrap proprietary stuff in a standards compliant XML wrapper. Big deal. You still won't be able to read anything more then the text. MS is NOT going to release their office document formats. End of story.
Let me guess, your a libertarian right? So basically the people should sit back and be taken for a ride by big corporations with no means to fight back? Please don't tell me boycotting is effective. It may be effective against Joe's Screw Driver Shack, however, it has very little power against a large monopoly. So what sould the people do in cases where a monopoly is running wild and causing damage to an industry? IMO, the only method is to get THEIR government involved. Remember this nations is suppose to be by the people and for the peole. The government is suppose to work for us.
They should come up with a consumer license. This license would allow a home user to download the songs they wanted and they would not be breaking any copyrights. The RIAA could charge $5 USD per month for this license. With an estimated 60 million Americans downloading files, that would generate 3.6 Billion USD per year! This doesn't even count the rest of the world that would bring this number into the tens of billions USD per year. They would be making FAR more money then they do now. This would also allow users to choose the way that THEY want to download music without all this DRM crap, OS/software requirements or copy protection. The file sharing services that offer the best features would rise to the top. If the RIAA would let me run thier organization for one year, I would bring in SO much cash they wouldn't know what to do with it. People love music and are willing to pay a FAIR price for it, on their terms. However, people are not willing to live with price fixing and over priced music and worse of all to be painted as a criminal for listening to music.
I know I am. Think about what is really happening here. This bunnie guy is having a hard time publishing a book because of commercial interests. Doesn't anyone else think that this reflects a sad state in a nation when books are being "banned" for commercial interests? Three publishers are/were interested in the book. One turned him down and the other two need to do legal research to see if it "violates" the DMCA. How much longer until the book burning? The DMCA is nasty and NEEDS to go down.
I can't believe some people modded this Insightful. Since when are we, as consumers, responsible for M$ (or any company) and the business choices they make? They are using their monopoly to sell these things at a loss to try to take the market. They can do this because of the huge amount of cash they have. While I don't own an XBox and would never buy one, if i DID buy one, it is my property to do with as I like. I can throw it out, drop it out a window or give it to little Johnnie down the street. Basically what you are saying is the same as saying that Ford can sell you a car and then tell you that you are not allowed to modify the engine, to tinker with it, change the tires or use non-Ford parts. This is the dumbest thing I have heard all day, thanks for the laugh!
Emm, filesharing is NOT copyright infringement. This is what the RIAA WANTS the people to believe. We have something called fair use laws that give us some leeway to what we can do with a copyrighted work. The RIAA wants you to believe that you have NO rights to someone elses copyrighted work and this is just not true. There are also THOUSANDS of independant songs out there that are NOT copyrighted by the goons at the RIAA. If I buy a movie, I am not allowed to mass-copy it and sell it for a profit. I am allowed to make one copy to protect my investment. I am also allowed to lend anyone I want the movie. Are you telling me you have never lent or borrowed a friends movie? If so, did you break any laws? No. It is no different with music. Have you ever listened to a friends CD? I do agree that the current batch of P2P are done wrong IMO. What they need to do is change to a file lending service. This way you can FREELY borrow a song for say 1 week. After a week the song deletes itself, sends itself back to the borrower, whatever. Actually, a P2P specifically for music should be setup so that any song that is downloaded from you is deleted. Then the RIAA would have nothing to say since you are just lending a song to a friend.
The artists who created the music will have no incentive to keep creating music if they know everyone is just going to steal from them.
Do you really believe that bunk? For 1,000s of years people have created music and performances. It is only the last 100 years or so, that people have tried to turn the creations into a profit market. The RIAA, produces nothing. They are just a middle man that digs deeply into the coffers. Musicians get VERY little from alblum sales, they make most of their money from live performances. A true artist will create and perform no matter what the financial incentive is. I am not saying that an artist has no right to try to make money. I am saying that when you put a no-talent business man into the mix of creation, you end up with junk like the RIAA/MPAA. I personally think that music should be free to download or very close to free. The live performances are the experience that people are willing to pay big money for, and that is where an artist can make all the money that their talents will allow. What you have now with the RIAA, is a greedy corporation that is trying to manipulate the music industry and the process of artisic creation to maximize profits. It just doesn't work. Creating and listening to mucis is often a powerful experience. It is kind of like a dance between the artist and the listener. With the RIAA, you have some greedy dirt bag trying to cut in on that dance.
That is a bad analogy. What Kazza is doing would be like
the following:
I have a store that I charge you to enter. Once you pay the entrance fee, you can take what you want from the store. DVD players, TVs, VCRs, Stereos, you name it. So, you pay the fee and take the goods you want. Later, the police show up and charge you with possesion of stolen goods.
This is what Kazaa is doing. They are charging people and giving the impression that the "goods" are now legal to take. If the RIAA should go after anyone, it is the RIAA.
I lived in the philadelphia area for 15 years or so, about 25 miles outside of downtown philly. Sorry, those kids DO NOT need a computer system. There are far more important issues affecting inner city schools then lack of personal computers. They need a tough drug program to clean out all the drugs. They need a tough community program so that the streets are safer for these kids. They live wiith tons of drugs and violence around them every day. They need a family restructuring program. Most of these kids are growing up in broken homes, severly disfunctional and often times violent families. Billy boy could have donated money and let the PEOPLE choose what they need first. The fact is, is that Billy boy is trying to make his perfect school, his "Uber-School". A school that uses tons of taxpayers money to buy MS only products. He wants to hook them in while their young. Give them the razons and then make a killing on the blades. Do you think Billy boy will be so "generous" when it comes time for the next "upgrade"? I don't. What about if this catches on? Think of all the taxpayer money Billy boy will get. Think about how it will help further his monopoly. If Billy boy REALLY wanted to help, he would have donated CASH and let the school choose what is best for them right now. These schools need more teachers and better paid teachers. They need more books and better programs to help them grow up healthy and mentally stable. These schools need phsycologists to help these kids deal with the tough issues they face every day like drugs, violence and poor family structure. The last thing they need is the MS "suite" of products. Sorry, to me this is nothing more then a PR stunt. Give a donation that will help MS in the long run and then get tons of news coverage. I also feel that computers would be too much of a "crutch" in learning. Instead of students learning mathmatical equations, they can punch them into a computer to get the answers. Instead of learning proper grammer, sentence structure, etc, they can use a program to spell check and grammar check. Computers should only be used as an assistive technology in learning. Once a student grasps the basic concepts, then they can us a computer to help them.
Well, with $46 billion, you could stop making money entirely, spend $10 million a month and you would not run out of money for about 383 years. Heck, you could spend 100 million a month and not run out of money for 38 years. That also is assuming that you have your money in a non-interest bearing account.
Re:Why mention unnecessary upgrades?
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Java vs .NET
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Well, that is not how MS does business. They don't want you running new technology on old. They want that upgrade money. The fortune 500 company I am at gets licensing "deals" so they don't have to pay retail price for all the products. However, you pay for it in the end with "enterprise" support. I don't know all the specifics of the contracts, however MS basically forces you to upgrade or make you pay full price. second, NT4 and win98 are just too crappy. Installing the.Net platform on 1,000's of win2k desktops and servers would have been a nightmare. It broke compatibility with older apps. The cleanest method is an upgrade, which is exactly how MS architected it. Also, our standard DB is Oracle, and Oracle supports Linux full force and even stated their best performance is on Linux. We are running most of our Oracle DB's on Solaris and are getting some Linux boxes in. Using.Net would have fragmented our enterprise development plans since we could only deploy.Net to MS Windows which would leave all of our Unix/Linux workhorses out in the cold. All of our critical business processes run on Unix, with Linux starting to replace some of that where it saves money or makes sense to do so. Also, the ability to use multiple langues was actaully a turn off. Where I work they like to move developers around to get maximum exposure to the entire business processes. If one team pick C++.Net and another used VB.Net, then there would have been issues with getting everyone trained on every language. Java, seemed to be graspable by the most junior developers while still giving the more advanced devlopers plenty of power. Also, Java has been proven in mission critical environments for a long time now, while.Net has not and Unix is still the most used Server OS out there..Net would have locked out out of all of those options and tied us down to only one.
How is that any different then the monopoly MS has been allowed to have in the world and backed by corrupted politicians? MS dumps millions into the pockets of politicians every year. In 2002, MS gave more then $4,213,198!
MS pulls the strings of the US government all time to ensure their monopoly. Now there is finally some light at the end of the tunnel. Who cares if it is tax payer money? I don't. MS has taken tons of our taxpayers money here in the USA. MS gets these contracts by bribing the desicion makers. MS got 100 million from US taxpayer for the Homeland Security Contract and 471 million from the US Army
MS had most of that money before Linux became an option. Once you get that much money, you just invest it and watch it grow at an incredible rate. Even if Linux takes a good chunk of business from MS, MS will still have tons of CASH to buy power with.
Re:Not up to the developers...
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· Score: 4, Interesting
This isn't always true. I am a developer for a fortune 500 company and we just finished a huge Java vs.Net comparison. The company brought in a lot of outside opinions and had us devlopers give opinions as well. Of course an MS rep was there telling the tall tales to all the PHB's of how.Net would make us 10x more productive and save us millions (just like the commercials), though the figures did not include all upgrade costs for Win2003 Server and WinXP cost. When it was all said and done, just about everyone picked Java, except for the MS rep and a few VB/ASP only type guys who don't have the technical ability to program much more then a few asp pages. It all came down to Java is proven to be stable and secure. MS and their technologies have not and especially.Net. We also have many mission critical apps that just cannot be trusted on an MS platform so they run mostly on Solaris and now some Linux boxen are popping up. Java gives us the ability to choose the right tool for the right job..Net would have locked us in to just MS and severly limited choices. Once we as developers got that point across to the PHB's, they were able to see the light.
MS is a monopoly and got there because of business practices. When a company does became a monopoly, EVERY action needs to be looked at twice. Reasons like this and this is what makes people not want to trust anything from the MS marketing machine. With MS it all comes down to what can further their grasp on the WHOLE IT market. I have not read anywhere about Red Hat being abusive or having unethical business practices.
While Bill Gate made it look like charity, it was really to help control a monopoly. The money helped maybe a few hundred thousand, while making millions go without cheap medication. BILL GATES: KILLING AFRICANS FOR PROFIT AND P.R.
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Have you looked for any alternatives? What are the names of the applications that you are trying to use? I could try them under Cross Over Office, Wine and wineX. Have you emailed the company that makes these programs to voice your opinions?
P.S. Nice try on the sig. Those are for APPLICATIONS not Linux you dolt. Here is my new sig
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Big deal. MS is just going to wrap proprietary crap in a standards compliant XML wrapper. MS is not going to give out their office document formats. Putting it in XML is just a PR stunt. I can't believe you would even try to defend them. Everything that is NOT plain text will be in a proprietary format wrapped in XML. This won't make working with an MS office doc any easier or more open, unless of course you buy their office product.
Basically, MS is going to wrap proprietary stuff in a standards compliant XML wrapper. Big deal. You still won't be able to read anything more then the text. MS is NOT going to release their office document formats. End of story.
Let me guess, your a libertarian right? So basically the people should sit back and be taken for a ride by big corporations with no means to fight back? Please don't tell me boycotting is effective. It may be effective against Joe's Screw Driver Shack, however, it has very little power against a large monopoly. So what sould the people do in cases where a monopoly is running wild and causing damage to an industry? IMO, the only method is to get THEIR government involved. Remember this nations is suppose to be by the people and for the peole. The government is suppose to work for us.
They should come up with a consumer license. This license would allow a home user to download the songs they wanted and they would not be breaking any copyrights. The RIAA could charge $5 USD per month for this license. With an estimated 60 million Americans downloading files, that would generate 3.6 Billion USD per year! This doesn't even count the rest of the world that would bring this number into the tens of billions USD per year. They would be making FAR more money then they do now. This would also allow users to choose the way that THEY want to download music without all this DRM crap, OS/software requirements or copy protection. The file sharing services that offer the best features would rise to the top. If the RIAA would let me run thier organization for one year, I would bring in SO much cash they wouldn't know what to do with it. People love music and are willing to pay a FAIR price for it, on their terms. However, people are not willing to live with price fixing and over priced music and worse of all to be painted as a criminal for listening to music.
I know I am. Think about what is really happening here. This bunnie guy is having a hard time publishing a book because of commercial interests. Doesn't anyone else think that this reflects a sad state in a nation when books are being "banned" for commercial interests? Three publishers are/were interested in the book. One turned him down and the other two need to do legal research to see if it "violates" the DMCA. How much longer until the book burning? The DMCA is nasty and NEEDS to go down.
I can't believe some people modded this Insightful. Since when are we, as consumers, responsible for M$ (or any company) and the business choices they make? They are using their monopoly to sell these things at a loss to try to take the market. They can do this because of the huge amount of cash they have. While I don't own an XBox and would never buy one, if i DID buy one, it is my property to do with as I like. I can throw it out, drop it out a window or give it to little Johnnie down the street. Basically what you are saying is the same as saying that Ford can sell you a car and then tell you that you are not allowed to modify the engine, to tinker with it, change the tires or use non-Ford parts. This is the dumbest thing I have heard all day, thanks for the laugh!
Emm, filesharing is NOT copyright infringement. This is what the RIAA WANTS the people to believe. We have something called fair use laws that give us some leeway to what we can do with a copyrighted work. The RIAA wants you to believe that you have NO rights to someone elses copyrighted work and this is just not true. There are also THOUSANDS of independant songs out there that are NOT copyrighted by the goons at the RIAA. If I buy a movie, I am not allowed to mass-copy it and sell it for a profit. I am allowed to make one copy to protect my investment. I am also allowed to lend anyone I want the movie. Are you telling me you have never lent or borrowed a friends movie? If so, did you break any laws? No. It is no different with music. Have you ever listened to a friends CD? I do agree that the current batch of P2P are done wrong IMO. What they need to do is change to a file lending service. This way you can FREELY borrow a song for say 1 week. After a week the song deletes itself, sends itself back to the borrower, whatever. Actually, a P2P specifically for music should be setup so that any song that is downloaded from you is deleted. Then the RIAA would have nothing to say since you are just lending a song to a friend.
That is a bad analogy. What Kazza is doing would be like the following:
I have a store that I charge you to enter. Once you pay the entrance fee, you can take what you want from the store. DVD players, TVs, VCRs, Stereos, you name it. So, you pay the fee and take the goods you want. Later, the police show up and charge you with possesion of stolen goods.
This is what Kazaa is doing. They are charging people and giving the impression that the "goods" are now legal to take. If the RIAA should go after anyone, it is the RIAA.
I lived in the philadelphia area for 15 years or so, about 25 miles outside of downtown philly. Sorry, those kids DO NOT need a computer system. There are far more important issues affecting inner city schools then lack of personal computers. They need a tough drug program to clean out all the drugs. They need a tough community program so that the streets are safer for these kids. They live wiith tons of drugs and violence around them every day. They need a family restructuring program. Most of these kids are growing up in broken homes, severly disfunctional and often times violent families. Billy boy could have donated money and let the PEOPLE choose what they need first. The fact is, is that Billy boy is trying to make his perfect school, his "Uber-School". A school that uses tons of taxpayers money to buy MS only products. He wants to hook them in while their young. Give them the razons and then make a killing on the blades. Do you think Billy boy will be so "generous" when it comes time for the next "upgrade"? I don't. What about if this catches on? Think of all the taxpayer money Billy boy will get. Think about how it will help further his monopoly. If Billy boy REALLY wanted to help, he would have donated CASH and let the school choose what is best for them right now. These schools need more teachers and better paid teachers. They need more books and better programs to help them grow up healthy and mentally stable. These schools need phsycologists to help these kids deal with the tough issues they face every day like drugs, violence and poor family structure. The last thing they need is the MS "suite" of products. Sorry, to me this is nothing more then a PR stunt. Give a donation that will help MS in the long run and then get tons of news coverage. I also feel that computers would be too much of a "crutch" in learning. Instead of students learning mathmatical equations, they can punch them into a computer to get the answers. Instead of learning proper grammer, sentence structure, etc, they can use a program to spell check and grammar check. Computers should only be used as an assistive technology in learning. Once a student grasps the basic concepts, then they can us a computer to help them.
Well, with $46 billion, you could stop making money entirely, spend $10 million a month and you would not run out of money for about 383 years. Heck, you could spend 100 million a month and not run out of money for 38 years. That also is assuming that you have your money in a non-interest bearing account.
Well, that is not how MS does business. They don't want you running new technology on old. They want that upgrade money. The fortune 500 company I am at gets licensing "deals" so they don't have to pay retail price for all the products. However, you pay for it in the end with "enterprise" support. I don't know all the specifics of the contracts, however MS basically forces you to upgrade or make you pay full price. second, NT4 and win98 are just too crappy. Installing the .Net platform on 1,000's of win2k desktops and servers would have been a nightmare. It broke compatibility with older apps. The cleanest method is an upgrade, which is exactly how MS architected it. Also, our standard DB is Oracle, and Oracle supports Linux full force and even stated their best performance is on Linux. We are running most of our Oracle DB's on Solaris and are getting some Linux boxes in. Using .Net would have fragmented our enterprise development plans since we could only deploy .Net to MS Windows which would leave all of our Unix/Linux workhorses out in the cold. All of our critical business processes run on Unix, with Linux starting to replace some of that where it saves money or makes sense to do so. Also, the ability to use multiple langues was actaully a turn off. Where I work they like to move developers around to get maximum exposure to the entire business processes. If one team pick C++.Net and another used VB.Net, then there would have been issues with getting everyone trained on every language. Java, seemed to be graspable by the most junior developers while still giving the more advanced devlopers plenty of power. Also, Java has been proven in mission critical environments for a long time now, while .Net has not and Unix is still the most used Server OS out there. .Net would have locked out out of all of those options and tied us down to only one.
How is that any different then the monopoly MS has been allowed to have in the world and backed by corrupted politicians? MS dumps millions into the pockets of politicians every year. In 2002, MS gave more then $4,213,198! MS pulls the strings of the US government all time to ensure their monopoly. Now there is finally some light at the end of the tunnel. Who cares if it is tax payer money? I don't. MS has taken tons of our taxpayers money here in the USA. MS gets these contracts by bribing the desicion makers. MS got 100 million from US taxpayer for the Homeland Security Contract and 471 million from the US Army
MS had most of that money before Linux became an option. Once you get that much money, you just invest it and watch it grow at an incredible rate. Even if Linux takes a good chunk of business from MS, MS will still have tons of CASH to buy power with.
This isn't always true. I am a developer for a fortune 500 company and we just finished a huge Java vs .Net comparison. The company brought in a lot of outside opinions and had us devlopers give opinions as well. Of course an MS rep was there telling the tall tales to all the PHB's of how .Net would make us 10x more productive and save us millions (just like the commercials), though the figures did not include all upgrade costs for Win2003 Server and WinXP cost. When it was all said and done, just about everyone picked Java, except for the MS rep and a few VB/ASP only type guys who don't have the technical ability to program much more then a few asp pages. It all came down to Java is proven to be stable and secure. MS and their technologies have not and especially .Net. We also have many mission critical apps that just cannot be trusted on an MS platform so they run mostly on Solaris and now some Linux boxen are popping up. Java gives us the ability to choose the right tool for the right job. .Net would have locked us in to just MS and severly limited choices. Once we as developers got that point across to the PHB's, they were able to see the light.
Is this some type of cliff hanger that we have to tune in to the next /. SCO-Episode to find out?
MS is a monopoly and got there because of business practices. When a company does became a monopoly, EVERY action needs to be looked at twice. Reasons like this and this is what makes people not want to trust anything from the MS marketing machine. With MS it all comes down to what can further their grasp on the WHOLE IT market. I have not read anywhere about Red Hat being abusive or having unethical business practices.
And this is even worse.
While Bill Gate made it look like charity, it was really to help control a monopoly. The money helped maybe a few hundred thousand, while making millions go without cheap medication. BILL GATES: KILLING AFRICANS FOR PROFIT AND P.R.
Any kind of donation is a good one? Take a look here: BILL GATES: KILLING AFRICANS FOR PROFIT AND P.R.