You can sue for legal fees, But the problem is, once you're in debt for defending yourself against the first legal attack, How do you expect to even pay to file? Plus in most states if the amount is over $2,000-$5,000 about, you can't go to small claims court. How will you pay for your lawyer? Will he do it pro-bono or does he think he can really win against the TEAM of lawyers sent by the RIAA and take his cut? Once he takes his cut, you're still working at a loss.
Why is it that the general idea of most people that how much you get paid is directly related to how much effort you put into the job?
In My experience, I've found it to be true. It seems to me that The less effort or work you do the more you get paid. I have been putting it into practice ever since I figured it out and it seems to work like a charm.
---My first job was cleaning up after animals in the local humane society for $3.25 an hour. So you can see I really know what I'm talking about.
There you have it. It's a neverending job, kinda like painting the Golden Gate Bridge.
Not so much like the Golden Gate. Because most repairs to the Golden Gate are to fix things that break or wear out. Most Windows repairs are patches to fix design flaws.
I actually send remote images with e-mail from time to time. I like to do it when I'm sending a large higher quality photo or photos to someone, particularly when I send to more than one person, or to someone on dial-up. -It's nicer than taking 30 minutes to view any of their e-mails and they can watch it as it comes in,That's what my friend (a senior citizen) says anyway.
I haven't found anyone who hadn't figured out how to view a remote image even when they turned it off like you do, so it's not an issue.
So I suppose the Visigoths really brought something better to the Empire. I seem to remember the times after that being called a little something like The Dark Ages
No I don't believe in robots destroying or displacing our society or anything like that, I probably have a more similar outlook to you than anything, but to say that something is only replaced by something better is just wrong.
Yeah an exploit from MIDI files! Glad I turned off the who ability to do anything automatically with MIDI the first time I went to a webpage that shoved it down my throat.
What is this anyway? Who finds this kind of thing? Is this the first sample of an RIAA alpha software for disabling a computer?
Watch out, you illegally loaded a MIDI file of Smooth Criminal as the background NOISE from Johnny's First Web Page. RIAA:We'll have to shut that guy down
Except all the patches and updates and service packs to the patches updates and service packs you needed come out.
What I hate about the one off Windows Update is after you update the 1 critical thing, only then when you go back you find three critical updates to the one you've just got
Granted I work mostly with consumer models which haven't been updated since Moses graduated HS, I have found it's always best to install the biggest bloated update (Read IE) First.
Who needs to be proven guilty or liable when they can be tied up in pointless litigation?
What difference does it make if your guilty and pay $100,000 in fines and $100,000 in legal fees or if you are innocent and pay $200,000 in legal fees? The RIAA's point is still made.
Well both geek stuff and some natural wonders I suppose.
Boston, MA history and neat bridges and too much to even think of
I would like to see New York City, lots of geeky things there! The Stock Exchange, The site of the World Trade Center, Statue of Liberty, Subways, and countless things
Niagra Falls!
Montreal
Quebec City, Quebec A walled city in North America.
Maybe a leg of the Trans Canadian
Philadelphia, PA - American History, Architecture
The Great Lakes. You need to see them... then go to Chicago. The Sears Tower is nice, Navy Pier, Grant Park, Water Tower lots of things in Chi-Town a quick jaunt through Milwaukee, WI -starting to develop a good tech sector.
You said Back Pack, eh? How about the Apostle Islands - Just of the Northern Shore of Wisconsin on Lake Superior and Macinac Island (Between Upper & Lower Michigan - No Cars)
Minneapolis is a good stop too, then on to Yellowstone Park... lotsa neat nature stuff, giesers hot springs moose, bison lots of trails.
Mount Rushmore! See giant US presidents head carved out of a mountain in the middle of nowhere! Don't forget to go to WAL-DRUG the Dakotas are nice for that stuff.
US Interstate Highways I-90/I-94 through Montanna & Wyoming just follow them west and end up in Seattle/ Redmond, Washington - c'mon love 'em or hate 'em Gotta see Microsoft's world headquarters. Plus Seattle, Vancouver, BC and Portland, OR got lotsa stuff.
CALIFORNIA Find out why we Americans call it the Land of Fruits and Nuts. San Fransisco Apple Computer - Golden Gate bridge, Fisherman's warf - California Redwood Trees, Los Angeles, Hollywood, San Diego - Disneyland, Knott's Berry Farm, Universal Studios and the like. Sillicon Valley - If you got the right travel papers, Tiajuana, Mexico!!
Hoover Dam, Las Vegas, Lotsa neato stuff in Las Vegas! Gambling, and non Gambling. Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada (maybe not within the city limits of Las Vegas)
The Grand Canyon
Stop by and see the Mormons in Salt Lake City, Utah.
Arizona, do some off roading in the desert. Land Sailing
New Mexico... um Roswell? UFOlogy? ain't Intel around here somewhere?
Texas!!!, Texas is real big it's like the size of Larger European Nations. I always thought the insects were real big there. Houston - NASA
Louisiana! Les boun tonnes roullet. The Big Easy, New Orleans is a MUST. Its actually a dirty smelly old place, but you won't have it any other way, it has a charm you will like. It's worth going even if you cant be there for Mardi Gras - Just NEVER STEP IN A PUDDLE --- that's not from rain boy, see the mounted police officer?
Alabama and Mississippi are worth driving through
Florida! yup beaches and theme parks, another Disney or four, another Universal or too as well. Busch Gardens, Tampa Bay, - Miami --- The Florida Keys. Have an Orange
Kentucky. Can any one say Bourbon? they got this kewl cave too
There are many more things to see, if you truely have an open ended trip, take your time.
Fraud is still fraud. Defamation is still defamation. Copyright is still copyright. Same old story, and why shouldn't it be?
Yes, but what happens when you take into account International Boundries? The internet very well is a lawless place and my premise still stands.
Basically if you steal from me, herass me, defame me and otherwise commit a crime against me, If there is no law that covers it, the law is in my hands and I will come for you.
Laws are fine But what law covers some Chinese guy spamming me with XXX rated porn from Shanghai? Or someone burning copies of my software in Bhutan? or what about Loasians? Cambodians? NORTH KOREANS? What recourse do I have NOW?
Vigilanteism has its good points. If these trouble spots cause enough vigilantes to attack people in these countries, these countries will join the rest of the world in policing themselves.
We are both looking for the same outcome, just differing on how to get there. I belive your way will lead to a beurocratic muck puddle where a lot of good intentions will essentially bring a stranglehold over the internet in such a way as to not solve any of the real issues and limit its very potential -as is common in a red tape infested beurocracy. Look at ICAN and ARIN already.
The reason the 21st century is the way it is now is because of the 18th, 19th and 20th. The way things are now grew out of the struggles of times past. Why would you expect it to work any other way? Evey time in history we've tried we end up doing the same thing anyway, why not just let it evolve naturally and skip the wasted effort?
As much as any of us hate to admit it, vigilanteism also spawns invention and innovation. it helps us stay on top of security where we need to be. There will be vigilateism no matter what you do, we might just as well live with it, deal with it and learn from it rather than try to turn a blind eye to it. It could even save us. (By keeping us paying attention)
I can point out how in the very history of the United States, the vigilante justice of the old west specifically sparked the enacting of laws and the provisions for the means of those laws to be enforced.
You may not like vigilante justice, but in an anarchistic system -which at this time the internet very well is, there is no other way to have any control. The lack of control and vigilante justice are the very spark to force the hand of countries who do not comply with the rest of the world to fall into line and form the laws and committies and international organizations you propose.
My argument isn't that because roads are dangerous you should never cross one, My argument is Because roads are dangerous you better look before you cross and damn well better know what your getting into which is a fairly reasonable, sound, sane and benign rationale
You conviently quoted me out of context: "People with mission critical systems that could wipe out their finances should not put them on the internet. What about the part about People who stash their money in cash under their mattress get what they deserve when it's all destroyed when their house burns down.
People with Mission Critical systems damn well better know what they are doing with them. As sad as it may be, if their system gets compromised -they do get what they get. Sure it's sad, but so is ending up splatted all over the highway because you didn't look where you were crossing before blindly walking into traffic. --In America it is illegal to walk accross an interstate highway -or be on one at all without a vehicle for that matter.
The whole point is to force these non-compliant nations to pass laws and join the rest of the world -notice I said world, not United States. But we have asked and hoped they'd do it for a long time, how can we get them to do so short of this vigilante justice. The Vigilante Justice is not the end in and of itself, it is the means to acheive the end you advocate
To avoid having IE report your real e-mail address, couldn't you just set up your first e-mail address as something like some_honeypot@spamcop.net or orbs something and then set Outlook Express to never check it in a default mail check?
Then all spam that would have been yours would go to them where they can quickly put it on their list for mail servers or programs like Mail Washer to use.
It might also reboot a critical system belonging to a small business in a much harsher world than you or I will ever visit, and destroy a family's livelihood as a result.
I've thought about it and I don't buy your argument. Considering the Wild West attitude of the way things currently are on the internet, I'm sorry but I think Vigilante Justice is not only warrented it's also needed.
You can yell and screem about it all you want, but your argument does not mesh with the way the world is now.
In a world where every criminal has guns, you don't take guns away from the law abiding citizens -else you end up with dead citizens and warlaords over throwing your government. - same is true for the internet.
...And besides "everybody hates America" is a crock. Those who hate America, hate it because it's so great and usually right.
In this case the vigilanteism you are so afraid of may be the only means to get countries to enact the very laws you advocate. Think about it! If there's no reason for these countries to enact these laws, why will they?
Becareful what you wish for, you're probably going to get it! How would you like to be torn out of your home country and sued by an international organization which holds different values and morals than you? For an infringement that neither you, your government or most sane governments would call an offense? -- They've put Syria on the UN human rights panel That ought to put some fear in you.
People with mission critical systems that could wipe out their finances should not put them on the internet. People are stupid and those who do things like that do get what they get. Yes it is sad and unfortunate, but so is loosing all of your money you had in cash stuck under your mattress whne your house burns down.
Slashdot Mirror
Not as new as you I see :P
You can sue for legal fees, But the problem is, once you're in debt for defending yourself against the first legal attack, How do you expect to even pay to file? Plus in most states if the amount is over $2,000-$5,000 about, you can't go to small claims court. How will you pay for your lawyer? Will he do it pro-bono or does he think he can really win against the TEAM of lawyers sent by the RIAA and take his cut? Once he takes his cut, you're still working at a loss.
My GM car's computer is already under the seat
Why is it that the general idea of most people that how much you get paid is directly related to how much effort you put into the job?
In My experience, I've found it to be true. It seems to me that The less effort or work you do the more you get paid. I have been putting it into practice ever since I figured it out and it seems to work like a charm.
---My first job was cleaning up after animals in the local humane society for $3.25 an hour. So you can see I really know what I'm talking about.
Not so much like the Golden Gate. Because most repairs to the Golden Gate are to fix things that break or wear out. Most Windows repairs are patches to fix design flaws.
It's called RENTING EQUIPMENT and corporations have already been doing that for years
Don't most Middle Eastern countries cut off your
Uplink for spamming?
I can always right-click and explicitly view it
GOOD POINT
I actually send remote images with e-mail from time to time. I like to do it when I'm sending a large higher quality photo or photos to someone, particularly when I send to more than one person, or to someone on dial-up. -It's nicer than taking 30 minutes to view any of their e-mails and they can watch it as it comes in,That's what my friend (a senior citizen) says anyway.
I haven't found anyone who hadn't figured out how to view a remote image even when they turned it off like you do, so it's not an issue.
Because the copyright they hold on Steam Boat Willie should have ended when the law originally said it should have expired, not 80 or 100 Years Later
For the good of man copyrighted material was Supposed to end up in the Public Domain at some point
So I suppose the Visigoths really brought something better to the Empire. I seem to remember the times after that being called a little something like The Dark Ages
No I don't believe in robots destroying or displacing our society or anything like that, I probably have a more similar outlook to you than anything, but to say that something is only replaced by something better is just wrong.
In Soviet Russia, spam sends you ---- Does that mean the vaction packages are real there?
Yeah an exploit from MIDI files! Glad I turned off the who ability to do anything automatically with MIDI the first time I went to a webpage that shoved it down my throat.
What is this anyway? Who finds this kind of thing? Is this the first sample of an RIAA alpha software for disabling a computer?
Watch out, you illegally loaded a MIDI file of Smooth Criminal as the background NOISE from Johnny's First Web Page. RIAA: We'll have to shut that guy down
Except all the patches and updates and service packs to the patches updates and service packs you needed come out.
What I hate about the one off Windows Update is after you update the 1 critical thing, only then when you go back you find three critical updates to the one you've just got
Granted I work mostly with consumer models which haven't been updated since Moses graduated HS, I have found it's always best to install the biggest bloated update (Read IE) First.
How many other updates did you fid out you needed while you were there?
Who needs to be proven guilty or liable when they can be tied up in pointless litigation?
What difference does it make if your guilty and pay $100,000 in fines and $100,000 in legal fees or if you are innocent and pay $200,000 in legal fees? The RIAA's point is still made.
Well both geek stuff and some natural wonders I suppose.
Boston, MA history and neat bridges and too much to even think of
I would like to see New York City, lots of geeky things there! The Stock Exchange, The site of the World Trade Center, Statue of Liberty, Subways, and countless things
Niagra Falls!
Montreal
Quebec City, Quebec A walled city in North America.
Maybe a leg of the Trans Canadian
Philadelphia, PA - American History, Architecture
The Great Lakes. You need to see them... then go to Chicago. The Sears Tower is nice, Navy Pier, Grant Park, Water Tower lots of things in Chi-Town a quick jaunt through Milwaukee, WI -starting to develop a good tech sector.
You said Back Pack, eh? How about the Apostle Islands - Just of the Northern Shore of Wisconsin on Lake Superior and Macinac Island (Between Upper & Lower Michigan - No Cars)
Minneapolis is a good stop too, then on to Yellowstone Park... lotsa neat nature stuff, giesers hot springs moose, bison lots of trails.
Mount Rushmore! See giant US presidents head carved out of a mountain in the middle of nowhere! Don't forget to go to WAL-DRUG the Dakotas are nice for that stuff.
US Interstate Highways I-90/I-94 through Montanna & Wyoming just follow them west and end up in Seattle/ Redmond, Washington - c'mon love 'em or hate 'em Gotta see Microsoft's world headquarters. Plus Seattle, Vancouver, BC and Portland, OR got lotsa stuff.
CALIFORNIA Find out why we Americans call it the Land of Fruits and Nuts. San Fransisco Apple Computer - Golden Gate bridge, Fisherman's warf - California Redwood Trees, Los Angeles, Hollywood, San Diego - Disneyland, Knott's Berry Farm, Universal Studios and the like. Sillicon Valley - If you got the right travel papers, Tiajuana, Mexico!!
Hoover Dam, Las Vegas, Lotsa neato stuff in Las Vegas! Gambling, and non Gambling. Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada (maybe not within the city limits of Las Vegas)
The Grand Canyon
Stop by and see the Mormons in Salt Lake City, Utah.
Arizona, do some off roading in the desert. Land Sailing
New Mexico... um Roswell? UFOlogy? ain't Intel around here somewhere?
Texas!!!, Texas is real big it's like the size of Larger European Nations. I always thought the insects were real big there. Houston - NASA
Louisiana! Les boun tonnes roullet. The Big Easy, New Orleans is a MUST. Its actually a dirty smelly old place, but you won't have it any other way, it has a charm you will like. It's worth going even if you cant be there for Mardi Gras - Just NEVER STEP IN A PUDDLE --- that's not from rain boy, see the mounted police officer?
Alabama and Mississippi are worth driving through
Florida! yup beaches and theme parks, another Disney or four, another Universal or too as well. Busch Gardens, Tampa Bay, - Miami --- The Florida Keys. Have an Orange
Kentucky. Can any one say Bourbon? they got this kewl cave too
There are many more things to see, if you truely have an open ended trip, take your time.
Yes, but what happens when you take into account International Boundries? The internet very well is a lawless place and my premise still stands.
Basically if you steal from me, herass me, defame me and otherwise commit a crime against me, If there is no law that covers it, the law is in my hands and I will come for you.
Laws are fine But what law covers some Chinese guy spamming me with XXX rated porn from Shanghai? Or someone burning copies of my software in Bhutan? or what about Loasians? Cambodians? NORTH KOREANS? What recourse do I have NOW?
Vigilanteism has its good points. If these trouble spots cause enough vigilantes to attack people in these countries, these countries will join the rest of the world in policing themselves.
We are both looking for the same outcome, just differing on how to get there. I belive your way will lead to a beurocratic muck puddle where a lot of good intentions will essentially bring a stranglehold over the internet in such a way as to not solve any of the real issues and limit its very potential -as is common in a red tape infested beurocracy. Look at ICAN and ARIN already.
The reason the 21st century is the way it is now is because of the 18th, 19th and 20th. The way things are now grew out of the struggles of times past. Why would you expect it to work any other way? Evey time in history we've tried we end up doing the same thing anyway, why not just let it evolve naturally and skip the wasted effort?
As much as any of us hate to admit it, vigilanteism also spawns invention and innovation. it helps us stay on top of security where we need to be. There will be vigilateism no matter what you do, we might just as well live with it, deal with it and learn from it rather than try to turn a blind eye to it. It could even save us. (By keeping us paying attention)
So I'm not the only one to have seen the previous /. articles on the things this guy has done. -I don't feel so nerdy anymore :D
How long before IPv6 is accused of being the next fasionable Mark of the Beast?
Or having your toilet get a DOS attack and FLOODED off the net
Isn't the number a googol? and the search engine google?
"so big that there's not a word for the number,"
Maybe we should just call it Googol? (Google?)
Sorry don't hate me, I had to.
I can point out how in the very history of the United States, the vigilante justice of the old west specifically sparked the enacting of laws and the provisions for the means of those laws to be enforced.
You may not like vigilante justice, but in an anarchistic system -which at this time the internet very well is, there is no other way to have any control. The lack of control and vigilante justice are the very spark to force the hand of countries who do not comply with the rest of the world to fall into line and form the laws and committies and international organizations you propose.
My argument isn't that because roads are dangerous you should never cross one, My argument is Because roads are dangerous you better look before you cross and damn well better know what your getting into which is a fairly reasonable, sound, sane and benign rationaleYou conviently quoted me out of context: "People with mission critical systems that could wipe out their finances should not put them on the internet. What about the part about People who stash their money in cash under their mattress get what they deserve when it's all destroyed when their house burns down.
People with Mission Critical systems damn well better know what they are doing with them. As sad as it may be, if their system gets compromised -they do get what they get. Sure it's sad, but so is ending up splatted all over the highway because you didn't look where you were crossing before blindly walking into traffic. --In America it is illegal to walk accross an interstate highway -or be on one at all without a vehicle for that matter.
The whole point is to force these non-compliant nations to pass laws and join the rest of the world -notice I said world, not United States. But we have asked and hoped they'd do it for a long time, how can we get them to do so short of this vigilante justice. The Vigilante Justice is not the end in and of itself, it is the means to acheive the end you advocate
Just wondering if this might work
To avoid having IE report your real e-mail address, couldn't you just set up your first e-mail address as something like some_honeypot@spamcop.net or orbs something and then set Outlook Express to never check it in a default mail check?
Then all spam that would have been yours would go to them where they can quickly put it on their list for mail servers or programs like Mail Washer to use.
It might also reboot a critical system belonging to a small business in a much harsher world than you or I will ever visit, and destroy a family's livelihood as a result.
I've thought about it and I don't buy your argument. Considering the Wild West attitude of the way things currently are on the internet, I'm sorry but I think Vigilante Justice is not only warrented it's also needed.
You can yell and screem about it all you want, but your argument does not mesh with the way the world is now.
In a world where every criminal has guns, you don't take guns away from the law abiding citizens -else you end up with dead citizens and warlaords over throwing your government. - same is true for the internet.
...And besides "everybody hates America" is a crock. Those who hate America, hate it because it's so great and usually right.
In this case the vigilanteism you are so afraid of may be the only means to get countries to enact the very laws you advocate. Think about it! If there's no reason for these countries to enact these laws, why will they?
Becareful what you wish for, you're probably going to get it! How would you like to be torn out of your home country and sued by an international organization which holds different values and morals than you? For an infringement that neither you, your government or most sane governments would call an offense? -- They've put Syria on the UN human rights panel That ought to put some fear in you.
People with mission critical systems that could wipe out their finances should not put them on the internet. People are stupid and those who do things like that do get what they get. Yes it is sad and unfortunate, but so is loosing all of your money you had in cash stuck under your mattress whne your house burns down.