The practical difference is that the competition to Microsoft is Redhat or Suse or whatever not linux, the "technology." So Bob is actually making a correct statement. I understand that these companies contribute back to linux, but the point is each of these companies are not building and maintaining there very own operating system code. It's a paradigm shift.
Re:Where is the FREE (as in NO $$) hardware?
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Google Files for IPO
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I agree... How can anyone think this is a worthwhile project? No open source can compete with search companies, because bottom line you need money to buy all the hardware you need and for all the bandwidth you have. I don't think a measely paypal link is gonna pull in enough revenue.
No the point is you have the right to play the dvd in the drive you bought using the WINDVD SOFTWARE THAT COMES WITH THE DRIVE. You paid for the drive AND the software. If you don't use the windvd software that comes with the drive and you use some UNLICENSED software then you don't have the right to play the dvd, according to pieces of legislation like the DMCA. You don't own the dvd. You own a license to view the dvd. That's what most people don't understand.
Interesting... I have never had a problem playing windows media file in xine. Of course I am using gxine, but that is just a gtk+ frontend for libxine, so I wouldn't think that would really affect things. I have always preferred the interface in xine and I find it convenient for all my DVD needs.:-)
The original AC who submitted the article had said this.
"Anonymous Coward writes "Someone forwarded me this site working to create an open source search engine called Nutch. In the age of weighted rankings on search engines for profits, there's an obvious need for an unbiased search engine. After all, isn't a search engine supposed to be for finding relevant data, not as an indirect and sometimes slimy method of advertising? Nutch is clearly in their intial stages, but it would certainly get my vote." You can find the project on SF.net, and also read the Business 2.0 article on it."
I was responding to this persons statements about "slimy advertising" and "a need for an unbiased search engine." However, since you bring it up, I do think that an open source search solution for smaller and more specialized applications would be something to consider. But an open source replacement to google, as the original poster seems to be suggesting, does not appear to me to be possible.
I fail to see the point of such an endeavor. Without advertising Nutch can not possibly hope to become a serious contender with search engines such as google or overture. Advertising provides the money that enables search engines to have lots of bandwith to send those results quickly back to users, lots of computing power to quickly process each search, even the ability to hire people to research into new areas for better search results. Even if the search engine is selling its resources to other portals like google does with yahoo advertising would still be involved in the process. Yahoo would still need to be advertising on their site to bring in revenue to pay for the service. I think google's method is perfectly fine with small text based ads that are discrete. Why do we need to fix this?
Another good depiction is the seen in the SciFi horror film Event Horizon where "baby bear" (under the influence of the ship) depressurizes himself and floats out into the vacuum with blood pouring out his eyes and alls sorts of places.
I'm not sure I understand what your point is when you say "a large part of the article compares throughput of 802.11b to 802.11a, which has a few different parameters combined." It seems plain to me from the graphs that 802.11a simply outperforms 802.11b in a similar environment. In regards to the 802.11g had higher throughput than 802.11a at the extreme range, I did notice that, interestingly though that particular 802.11g device tested was made by atheros. The other 802.11g draft devices, made by other companies, fell well short. My main point is that many people seem to still think that 802.11a still has the range that the first generation devices of the protocol had and are not aware of the second generation. Heck I wasn't until I read the article over at Tom's hardware. I just wanted to make sure that people who read your original quote about the shorter range of 802.11a were aware of the revision that now brings 802.11a's range equal to 802.11b's and close to that of the high end 802.11g devices.
-5.4GHz experiences more attenuation, so less range
Take a look at this. You can check my previous post to here to see a more detailed explanation. It seems that the range is equivalent with 802.11b and close to that of 802.11g.
While looking into the differences of 802.11 a|b|g I found this article over at tom's hardware. It appears that the second generation 802.11a protocol devices now have much better range than the previous first generation 802.11a devices. This can also be seen by a recent whitepaper by Atheros (The company whose chipset is used in most widely available wireless devices from such companies as Netgear, Linksys, and D-link). With better bandwidth performance than most 802.11 b|g devices on the market and equivalent range to b|g devices, all while operating in the 5 ghz range, perhaps 802.11a will make some what of a comeback. The potential really comes from the fact that right now you can buy wireless APs now from Linksys (WAP55AG) and D-Link(DWL-7000AP) and wireless cards from linksys,netgear,and d-link that do all 3 protocols. I know that right now I will be looking at running my AP in 802.11a mode and not worrying about interference coming from the 2.4ghz range.
I would be interested for slashdot to host and interview with Ian. As a user of gentoo linux I have experienced much of the power of a ports based system with its portage package management system, which has close ties to Debian's very own apt-get and dpkg. Debian seems very focused on a stable kernel, even more so than any other distribution I know of. Would it not serve Debian to focus more on the Server side of things and leave the desktop to the propeller heads, Gentoo that is.:)
For most people they can achieve reasonable speeds with 56k modems that are bountiful in just about every retail store. My post was concerning the majority of internet users and their habits. You obviously missed that point. The majority of internet users do not transmit large portions of data, by this I mean over 10mb of data at a single time, for their day to day use. And in those rare instances that they do need to, then they leave their connection on for a long time. For you it was worth the money to spend on broadband, because apparently you fall into the category of users that transmit data constantly. You were willing to spend the extra money for the extra speed. Your level was higher than other people who find dialup access to be fine. Your own personal situation; however, does not make broadband a requirement for everyone else.
Yes internet access is essential now in every day life, but is broadband? The answer is no. I like broadband and I enjoy it since I spend a lot of my time working on the internet. I am willing to pay the cost, because to me it is a more efficient use of money and time if I can do my work quicker specifically because my work is tied to the internet and computers. If I thought that the price for broadband was unreasonable then I would move to dialup access. If people are willing to spend their money on broadband because their enjoyment or use of broadband outweighs the cost of the service then it is worth it for them. The broadband companies in no way have a monopoly on internet access and if they price the service to high then they will start to lose customers to dialup access. (Look in any micro-economics books about Production Possibilitiy Frontiers - PPFs - and you will see this). Companies want to maximize profits and who can blame them considering we live in a Capitalistic Society. The market for internet service right now is not reflective of a monopolistic market. As a consumer you have a choice, which can normally be summed up into two categories, broadband or dialup. You just have to decide where your level is and how much you are willing to spend.
I have been using Serenade for about 6 months now and I have to say that I am very impressed with the performance and speed that Serenade offers. Not to mention the user interface which is significantly better than the default explorer shell. Many new themes have been posted to skinbase.org recently showing the power of themes that Serenade offers. Serenade, although in the alpha stage, is a very mature product and the development is very responsive to user requests. The shell is written in VisualC++ and in the future will be adding scripting support for users to easily develop their own plugins using an interpreter based language (Romeo). If you want a shell that is extremely configurable yet light on resources (so light in fact that it takes up less resources than the default explorer shell), then try Serenade. It has an easy installation and should you decide to go back, uninstall is easy as well. Just follow the information on the website. Exciting things will be happening with the development of Serenade in the future, so keep your eyes on www.courtah.net.
Xan
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As an alternative to downloading just the 130MB iso you can also download the 650MB iso which is the fast install and has most of everything you need to get your system up and running.
"Applications developed in Perl or C, the languages of the linux community have proven to be slow, unreliable, insecure and headaching complicated. Once developed and debugged, nobody is able to understand the code."
C as far as effiency and speed is one of the best languages out there. Any computer science major knows this. As far as "headachingly complicated," yes C requires more knowledge and skill that's why companies hire programmers who know their shit. I would certainly hope that a company wasnt trusting their code to be written by a Gartner Group analyst. A language is about giving the programmer the tools needed to build a great application. If the application is crap I can tell you that it is 99.9% probability that the programmer doesnt know how to write code. Especially in the case of such a powerful language as C.
www.pricewatch.com that would be my starting point of preference. Although my own laptop came in around $1900 it probably should have cost in the ballpark of $2600 when I bought it. Company I ended up using was Netlux (www.netlux.com), check them out. Just because it is off brand doesnt make it a bad laptop. Hey, I even got the latest distribution of Gentoo Linux running on it.
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The practical difference is that the competition to Microsoft is Redhat or Suse or whatever not linux, the "technology." So Bob is actually making a correct statement. I understand that these companies contribute back to linux, but the point is each of these companies are not building and maintaining there very own operating system code. It's a paradigm shift.
I agree... How can anyone think this is a worthwhile project? No open source can compete with search companies, because bottom line you need money to buy all the hardware you need and for all the bandwidth you have. I don't think a measely paypal link is gonna pull in enough revenue.
No the point is you have the right to play the dvd in the drive you bought using the WINDVD SOFTWARE THAT COMES WITH THE DRIVE. You paid for the drive AND the software. If you don't use the windvd software that comes with the drive and you use some UNLICENSED software then you don't have the right to play the dvd, according to pieces of legislation like the DMCA. You don't own the dvd. You own a license to view the dvd. That's what most people don't understand.
Interesting... I have never had a problem playing windows media file in xine. Of course I am using gxine, but that is just a gtk+ frontend for libxine, so I wouldn't think that would really affect things. I have always preferred the interface in xine and I find it convenient for all my DVD needs. :-)
or perhaps "algorithm" :-)
The original AC who submitted the article had said this.
"Anonymous Coward writes "Someone forwarded me this site working to create an open source search engine called Nutch. In the age of weighted rankings on search engines for profits, there's an obvious need for an unbiased search engine. After all, isn't a search engine supposed to be for finding relevant data, not as an indirect and sometimes slimy method of advertising? Nutch is clearly in their intial stages, but it would certainly get my vote." You can find the project on SF.net, and also read the Business 2.0 article on it."
I was responding to this persons statements about "slimy advertising" and "a need for an unbiased search engine." However, since you bring it up, I do think that an open source search solution for smaller and more specialized applications would be something to consider. But an open source replacement to google, as the original poster seems to be suggesting, does not appear to me to be possible.
I fail to see the point of such an endeavor. Without advertising Nutch can not possibly hope to become a serious contender with search engines such as google or overture. Advertising provides the money that enables search engines to have lots of bandwith to send those results quickly back to users, lots of computing power to quickly process each search, even the ability to hire people to research into new areas for better search results. Even if the search engine is selling its resources to other portals like google does with yahoo advertising would still be involved in the process. Yahoo would still need to be advertising on their site to bring in revenue to pay for the service. I think google's method is perfectly fine with small text based ads that are discrete. Why do we need to fix this?
And now instead of being a little overloaded it will just be completely unavailable. :-)
Another good depiction is the seen in the SciFi horror film Event Horizon where "baby bear" (under the influence of the ship) depressurizes himself and floats out into the vacuum with blood pouring out his eyes and alls sorts of places.
I'm not sure I understand what your point is when you say "a large part of the article compares throughput of 802.11b to 802.11a, which has a few different parameters combined." It seems plain to me from the graphs that 802.11a simply outperforms 802.11b in a similar environment. In regards to the 802.11g had higher throughput than 802.11a at the extreme range, I did notice that, interestingly though that particular 802.11g device tested was made by atheros. The other 802.11g draft devices, made by other companies, fell well short. My main point is that many people seem to still think that 802.11a still has the range that the first generation devices of the protocol had and are not aware of the second generation. Heck I wasn't until I read the article over at Tom's hardware. I just wanted to make sure that people who read your original quote about the shorter range of 802.11a were aware of the revision that now brings 802.11a's range equal to 802.11b's and close to that of the high end 802.11g devices.
-5.4GHz experiences more attenuation, so less range
Take a look at this. You can check my previous post to here to see a more detailed explanation. It seems that the range is equivalent with 802.11b and close to that of 802.11g.
While looking into the differences of 802.11 a|b|g I found this article over at tom's hardware. It appears that the second generation 802.11a protocol devices now have much better range than the previous first generation 802.11a devices. This can also be seen by a recent whitepaper by Atheros (The company whose chipset is used in most widely available wireless devices from such companies as Netgear, Linksys, and D-link). With better bandwidth performance than most 802.11 b|g devices on the market and equivalent range to b|g devices, all while operating in the 5 ghz range, perhaps 802.11a will make some what of a comeback. The potential really comes from the fact that right now you can buy wireless APs now from Linksys (WAP55AG) and D-Link(DWL-7000AP) and wireless cards from linksys,netgear,and d-link that do all 3 protocols. I know that right now I will be looking at running my AP in 802.11a mode and not worrying about interference coming from the 2.4ghz range.
quite true, but based on the article I don't think that's why they are doing it.
why spend more on the moon? put more funding into asteriod detection so we can save our asses! :-)
I would be interested for slashdot to host and interview with Ian. As a user of gentoo linux I have experienced much of the power of a ports based system with its portage package management system, which has close ties to Debian's very own apt-get and dpkg. Debian seems very focused on a stable kernel, even more so than any other distribution I know of. Would it not serve Debian to focus more on the Server side of things and leave the desktop to the propeller heads, Gentoo that is. :)
I agree. I can't really see how a game like Myst could actually hurt your brain.
For most people they can achieve reasonable speeds with 56k modems that are bountiful in just about every retail store. My post was concerning the majority of internet users and their habits. You obviously missed that point. The majority of internet users do not transmit large portions of data, by this I mean over 10mb of data at a single time, for their day to day use. And in those rare instances that they do need to, then they leave their connection on for a long time. For you it was worth the money to spend on broadband, because apparently you fall into the category of users that transmit data constantly. You were willing to spend the extra money for the extra speed. Your level was higher than other people who find dialup access to be fine. Your own personal situation; however, does not make broadband a requirement for everyone else.
Yes internet access is essential now in every day life, but is broadband? The answer is no. I like broadband and I enjoy it since I spend a lot of my time working on the internet. I am willing to pay the cost, because to me it is a more efficient use of money and time if I can do my work quicker specifically because my work is tied to the internet and computers. If I thought that the price for broadband was unreasonable then I would move to dialup access. If people are willing to spend their money on broadband because their enjoyment or use of broadband outweighs the cost of the service then it is worth it for them. The broadband companies in no way have a monopoly on internet access and if they price the service to high then they will start to lose customers to dialup access. (Look in any micro-economics books about Production Possibilitiy Frontiers - PPFs - and you will see this). Companies want to maximize profits and who can blame them considering we live in a Capitalistic Society. The market for internet service right now is not reflective of a monopolistic market. As a consumer you have a choice, which can normally be summed up into two categories, broadband or dialup. You just have to decide where your level is and how much you are willing to spend.
I have been using Serenade for about 6 months now and I have to say that I am very impressed with the performance and speed that Serenade offers. Not to mention the user interface which is significantly better than the default explorer shell. Many new themes have been posted to skinbase.org recently showing the power of themes that Serenade offers. Serenade, although in the alpha stage, is a very mature product and the development is very responsive to user requests. The shell is written in VisualC++ and in the future will be adding scripting support for users to easily develop their own plugins using an interpreter based language (Romeo). If you want a shell that is extremely configurable yet light on resources (so light in fact that it takes up less resources than the default explorer shell), then try Serenade. It has an easy installation and should you decide to go back, uninstall is easy as well. Just follow the information on the website. Exciting things will be happening with the development of Serenade in the future, so keep your eyes on www.courtah.net. Xan
Maybe it would help if you posted under someone?
As an alternative to downloading just the 130MB iso you can also download the 650MB iso which is the fast install and has most of everything you need to get your system up and running.
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"Applications developed in Perl or C, the languages of the linux community have proven to be slow, unreliable, insecure and headaching complicated. Once developed and debugged, nobody is able to understand the code." C as far as effiency and speed is one of the best languages out there. Any computer science major knows this. As far as "headachingly complicated," yes C requires more knowledge and skill that's why companies hire programmers who know their shit. I would certainly hope that a company wasnt trusting their code to be written by a Gartner Group analyst. A language is about giving the programmer the tools needed to build a great application. If the application is crap I can tell you that it is 99.9% probability that the programmer doesnt know how to write code. Especially in the case of such a powerful language as C.
www.pricewatch.com that would be my starting point of preference. Although my own laptop came in around $1900 it probably should have cost in the ballpark of $2600 when I bought it. Company I ended up using was Netlux (www.netlux.com), check them out. Just because it is off brand doesnt make it a bad laptop. Hey, I even got the latest distribution of Gentoo Linux running on it.