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The Practice of System and Network Administration

Amy Rich writes: "If you're are, or want to be, a professional sysadmin, buy this book! I've been doing UNIX system administration for nearly ten years now, and I've never seen another book like this on the market. Limoncelli and Hogan do a fantastic job of describing the 'whys' behind many of the best practices in the systems and network administrator world. I wish this book had been around when I started out; it would have saved so many headaches as I 'learned the hard way.' Read on (below) for the reasons Amy is so enthusiastic about this book, and to see if it might fit your situation. The Practice of System and Network Administration author Thomas A. Limoncelli and Christine Hogan pages 773 publisher Addison Wesley rating 9.5 reviewer Amy Rich ISBN 0-201-70271-1 summary Fantastic high level book about successfully administrating computer systems and networks. Learn the best practices of the pros, developed through years of trial and error.

Though not a nitty gritty technical book, this volume is a must have for every professional sysadmin, regardless of skill level or the technology she uses. The book focuses on the methods used by successful system administrators to build, support, and grow their networks. For the novice admin, it offers a good big-picture look at the most important "whys" of system administration. For the intermediate admin, it has great advice on how to balance fire fighting with project work that will help strengthen the infrastructure and lead to less emergency handling. For the senior admin, there are gems of design wisdom and sections on how to deal with being in a managerial or team leader role. Because it's more high level, this book is even a good buy for people who manage sysadmins but are not themselves technical.

What's Covered

The book is broken down into four major parts, The Principles, The Processes, The Practices, and Management. The chapters in each section are conveniently split into the "basics," the "icing" (things to concentrate on after all of the basics have been accomplished), and some exercises at the end to help the reader apply the covered information to her own situation. The authors back up their sound advice with many case studies and, often tragically humorous, war stories that really drive home the salient points. The BOFHs among us will certainly love some of the follies that the book recounts.

The Principles

This chapter deals with fundamental issues sysadmins encounter and how to define a site-wide infrastructure. The topics range from desktop and server setup, to security, debugging, and ethics. Of particular interest to me were the latter three. I was hoping that the security section would give a bit more detail about a layered security approach as part of the policy. The authors offered good pointers on developing a site security policy without going into specifics, though. The debugging section was spot on, and something that even your help desk people should read. Instead of the hit-or-miss technique that so many inexperienced people use to diagnose problems, this gave a thorough outline of how to methodically determine and fix a problem. In light of the current Enron fiasco, the ethics section was quite timely. How do you do the right thing (or even determine what that is) and then not get stuck as the scapegoat? Though they're not lawyers, Limoncelli and Hogan offer some sound advice and quote from the SAGE Code of Ethics.

The Processes

This section entails how to create the framework for making successful changes to your infrastructure. Topic highlights include change management and revision control, server upgrades, maintenance windows, and service conversions. Change management is one of the most perilously neglected portions of the system administration field today. How should changes be made to the systems so that they are as seamless as possible? Who changed what, when? How do you get back to a known state? My one nit is that I would have liked to see a bit more about automation (rsync, cfengine, et al) discussed in this chapter, especially in dealing with upgrades and service conversions.

The Practices

The authors choose a few important services to discuss in detail here:

  • The helpdesk
  • Customer care
  • Data centers
  • Networks
  • Email service
  • Print service
  • Data recovery
  • Remote access
  • Software depots
  • Service monitoring

These topics were well covered, but the one omission from this section was web service (and possibly a section on Usenet, though that's waning in popularity these days). The namesapces chapter from the Principles section would have also flowed better as part of a DNS chapter in this section. One especially amusing story in the monitoring chapter describes an alarm system in a machine room calling the on-duty sysadmin in the wee hours of the morning to tell him, in a sultry female voice, I'm hot. I'm wet. Too bad his wife answers and thinks it's a prank call when it's really a broken HVAC system!

Management

This section covers how to best deal with the human side of system administration and really explores how people can actually like their jobs instead of just slogging through them every day. There's some outstanding advice on how to deal with difficult situations (time management, difficult people, professional development, keeping people motivated and managing them well, etc). This is also the first book that I know of that includes salary negotiating tips for sysadmins. The management section could almost stand alone as a book geared towards the particular problems that many sysadmins experience.

Other bits

Unlike most other books, the introduction and the appendices are also very worthwhile reads. The introduction covers the three fundamental things that ever site should already be doing: using a ticketing system, handling quick requests right, and starting every host in a known state. The first two appendices cover the various hats that sysadmins wear and "what to do when..." situations. The latter is extremely valuable, and is also available from the book's web site.

In all, this book receives an enthusiastic thumbs up!"

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187 comments

  1. Online Collection of Tips by ocip · · Score: 1

    Is there any forums, or online discussions, that cover this sort of thing. I'm thinking, kind of like http://www.macosxhints.com/ but of a less MacOS X specific nature.

    1. Re:Online Collection of Tips by reaper20 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sysadmin Talk is a forum for sysadmins.

      Still a small community since its relatively new, but it has potential.

    2. Re:Online Collection of Tips by daniel_isaacs · · Score: 2

      Sysadmin Talk [sysadmintalk.com] is a forum for sysadmins. Still a small community since its relatively new, but it has potential.

      You mean of course that it was once a small community, but has 2,000 new members today for some reason. :)

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    3. Re:Online Collection of Tips by Miniluv · · Score: 1

      I like Unix Guru Universe (UGU). It's a place I usually go when trying to solve a problem, however I've wandered through some of their links and info contained on the site and liked it.

  2. Re:How big was this book? by wysiwig3 · · Score: 1

    776 pgs according to Amazon

  3. Not a bad idea by Wingchild · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Books like this need to be written, disseminated, and then force-fed to anyone who wants to touch Systems Administration for a profession - or even work with sysadmins tangentally. I've spent too much time justifying my practices and beliefs about administration to people who had precisely zero working knowledge of the art; would that we lived in a world where this was no longer necessary!

    *sighs*. I can keep dreaming. :)

    1. Re:Not a bad idea by fruey · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if only... people were all as intelligent as ...insert name here... then there would be no war and all that.

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    2. Re:Not a bad idea by Vinson+Massif · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Interesting you refer to it as an art. My view of SA is that of a craft or trade. While post-secondary education (of some sort, not necessarily CS or CE) is important, the job demands an apprenticeship period with a a mentor that has been there a while. The unfortunate reality is that may SA's get started by being dropped in without any support around them.

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    3. Re:Not a bad idea by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Indeed, system administration is more of a trade. Writing code is an art. Many people don't even realize that "programmer" and "sysadmin" are not the same thing.

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    4. Re:Not a bad idea by Jon+Peterson · · Score: 1

      This no clear boundary between art and trade. Writing code gives greater capacity for art-like behaviour, perhaps, but that is all. Code can be entirely craft like - most of it is, and code that is autogenerated is not even craft-like.

      Most programmers have oversized egos as it is, and going on about how 'code is art' doesn't help the matter.

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    5. Re:Not a bad idea by daniel_isaacs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Interesting you refer to it as an art. My view of SA is that of a craft or trade.

      In any trade or craft, when it is done well it is indistiguishable from art.

      There is a reason the Jedi appeal to us generally. We've been down the path of the Master and the apprentice. We appreciate wisdom. And we practise a largely misunderstood, but vital craft. The sympathies are numerous.

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    6. Re:Not a bad idea by G00F · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "Most programmers have oversized egos as it is, and going on about how 'code is art' doesn't help the matter."

      This makes programming even sound more like art.

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    7. Re:Not a bad idea by rhaig · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd call it more of an art... Black art.

      Yes, you have to have some sort of apprenticeship, and all the book-learning in the world won't be enough when you get neck deep in the workings, but I don't know if it's a skill.

      Let's face it, most good sysadmins are lazy. The do something once the best way they can, and hopefully dont have to touch it for a long time. There's definately some art in laziness.

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    8. Re:Not a bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - Indeed, system administration is more of a trade. Writing code is an art. Many people don't even realize that "programmer" and "sysadmin" are not the same thing.

      Everything can be an art, if you like it so much that when the requested task is accomplished, you put more efforts into the job to get better results that nobody asked you for.

    9. Re:Not a bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pervert

  4. It's good to see... by xtermz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... Books about general topics/practices. If you focused an admin book towards a specific OS (ie NT, Unix, whatever), you could easily wind up with a admin who freaks out when dealing with a different OS on the network. I prefer to see books deal with the overall scope of a topic , rather than focusing down on a specific product. ( ie. You buy a book on XML and get to learn everything you ever wanted to know about MSXML... um...ok...but what if you're a unix geek )..

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    1. Re:It's good to see... by ryanvm · · Score: 2

      I prefer to see books deal with the overall scope of a topic, rather than focusing down on a specific product.

      I dunno - I think I'd freak out if my doctor told me, "Well, I really don't worry about the details. I'm more of a 'mammal specialist'." ;-)

    2. Re:It's good to see... by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2

      True, true...but I think I'd freak out more if my doctor told me "I don't know a thing about mammals; I just work on people." Or if my endocrinologist told me "I don't know a thing about people; I just work on glands." Or if my surgeon told me "I don't know a thing about medicine; I just cut people open."

      We need books that deal with the general. We also need books that deal with the specific. There's a great lack of the former great surplus of the latter. Looking for a happy medium...

    3. Re:It's good to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your doctor isn't faced with new body parts every month. A sysadmin, on the other hand, has to face new challanges every day. Therefore, the value of this book is that it teaches you principles that you'll be able to apply to all new situations as they pop up.

    4. Re:It's good to see... by ryanvm · · Score: 2

      I know, and you are correct. I was just kidding around.

    5. Re:It's good to see... by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2

      Ah...well, in that case...

      +1, Funny.

  5. Changing jobs/roles by Chocky2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally I'd reccommend this for novice to average people who's role is changing or who are changing job to sysadmin in a different company or environment.

    A lot of the skills and behaviours people pick up will be heavily flavoured by the environment in which they picked them up; this book will help people to understand the common practices in sysadmining - what changes and what stays the same in different environments. Sysadmining in a university is very different to in an ISP or in a tech-corporation or in a non-tech-corporation.

  6. Not just for Unix either by rob_from_ca · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In fact, probably _especially_ for NT admins. NT admins often seem to lack the exact background, sensitivity, and discipline that this book is talking about. Even though some of things are hard to implment (revision control for configurations, etc), the principles apply to _all_ production systems.

    This is the best sysadmin book I've ever read. This plus a practical how-to book like USAH and O'Reilly's Unix Backup and Recovery are the three cornerstones that everyone should start with as a starting sysadmin. This book in particular will save you 2-3 years of frustration unless you work in a very disciplined shop.

    1. Re:Not just for Unix either by duplicate-nickname · · Score: 4, Informative

      Having worked as an NT sys admin for 5 years now, I have to totally agree with you. Most of the administrators in the NT world are not professionals and completely lack the skills necessary to run a large network.

      Why is this? My guess is that it comes from the boom in NT/2000 as a NOS over the last 8 years. Figure that in the early 90's there was no such think as a Windows system administrator, and now there are several hundred thousand. Many have little experience in a professional network environment (unless they came from the Unix or Netware world). Most are desktop support personel who were promoted from one Windows platform (3.x/9x) to another (NT/2000). I'm sorry, but the skills needed to troubleshoot an office installation don't translate into those needed in designing an enterprise directory structure. Of course, Microsoft only made matters worse by then certifying any joker that could pick up a book.

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    2. Re:Not just for Unix either by dillon_rinker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course, Microsoft only made matters worse by then certifying any joker that could pick up a book.

      HEY! I resemble that remark!

      (I passed three NT4 certs without ever having SEEN any variety of NT - only having read three books =)

    3. Re:Not just for Unix either by JesterOne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would venture to guess that this is true of any certification (and not just Microsoft). I have talked to plenty of people that have gotten certifications just by reading a book and then have gone to take the test. In thier defence, they typically were people that have been in the industry for a while and already had a good handle on the 'big picture' to begin with. A few of them were just smart beyond belief and really, all they did was look at a book for a few days and pass a cert test for something they had never working with before.

    4. Re:Not just for Unix either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Most of the administrators in the NT world are not professionals and completely lack the skills necessary to run a large network."

      Are you kidding me? Where is your proof? So your saying a nix admin(which I am) is automatically able to run a fortune 500 company better than an NT admin(which I also am)?

      Please put the crack pipe down. A jr nix admin is not BETTER than a jr nt admin. Oh but your argument is that someone who is experienced in a "professional network environment" is better than someone who has only installed MS office? Surprise!!

      The only thing thats makes one admin better than another is proper training. Give me a nix or NT admin who is not a complete moron and Ill train them to run a large network. I don't care if the NT admin used to scrub toilets. It all comes down to training.

      A few years ago this type of talk would be labled troll. Same goes for the parent.

      You moderators suck these days. FUD is still FUD.

    5. Re:Not just for Unix either by bmoyles · · Score: 1

      I got my NT4 MCSE thru self-study while in tech support. Became a NT admin afterwards, and now do UNIX. Ah have SEEN the light!

    6. Re:Not just for Unix either by Meech · · Score: 1
      I'm sorry, but the skills needed to troubleshoot an office installation don't translate into those needed in designing an enterprise directory structure.

      There is more to this statement. The reason that Microsoft is an amazing marketing company is because they do not sell their ideas to the people that are going to be implementing it. They market to the business people of the world that tell people like the /. audience what to do. Here is an example: Microsoft Exchange. Exchange is the worst program in the world! But why do companies run it? (Because my boss when to a microsoft presentation and told me to install it!!!) Anyways, to get back to the point. They market their products to managers by letting them think that every program is as easy to install as Office, which pretty much any idiot can do. So when my boss hears about Exchange, he assumes it is configurable just as Office and hence Exchange is used.

    7. Re:Not just for Unix either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll admit it. I don't want to log in, because I don't want this haunting me later in my career, but I am woefully underqualified for the Sya Admin Job i'm in.
      Basically, whan usally happens is this. You get a job with company, working with computers. You're a programmer, or work at the help desk. Whatever it is, you do a fairly good job at it, and the bosses notice.
      Then, Mr Sysadmin quits.
      Whee.
      SOMEONE needs to fill his job, and no-one is doing it, and no-one is hiring anyone else.
      So you end up taking on some of his responsibilities "temporarily" until they hire someone. But they never do. You could have seen that going in.
      So now you're stuck, reading through his scripts, trying to figure how the HELL to keep all this shit running.

      And time keeps going on. Yuo eventually get better. You read the Red(purple) book, and you learn something. But I'm not there yet. I'm still at the WTF am I doing stage.
      Now ideally, you would learn from a mentor. It's like pottery, or farming. It is a trade. Perhaps we need to re-institute a guild system. :)

    8. Re:Not just for Unix either by packethead · · Score: 0

      So do I, but I do more work on *nix. Windows, by it's very nature, breeds lazy System Admins.

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    9. Re:Not just for Unix either by packethead · · Score: 0

      I agree. Windows, GUI administration, etc. is breeding lazy admins. I talk to a lot of NT heads that just trust the GUI and have no desire to understand what's going on under the hood.
      NT Admin: What's wrong?
      Unix Admin: CHeck the log.
      NT Admin: THe what?
      Unix Admin: The log, tail the log.
      NT Admin:WHat?
      Unix Admin: Look at the system logs!
      NT Admin: The what?
      Unix Admin: THE EVENT VIEWER!!!
      NT Admin: Oh, what's that gonna do?

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    10. Re:Not just for Unix either by Mr.+Piddle · · Score: 1

      I would venture to guess that this is true of any certification (and not just Microsoft)

      I have been preparing for Sun Solaris certification (two tests), and I think it would be difficult to pass these tests without some amount of real experience. The main reason is that they test a subset of general UNIX skills plus some of the Solaris SPARC-specific nuances, such as the firmware commands and DiskSuite RAID.

      In general, I think people who pass certain tests just by reading a book are drawing a lot from other experience--unless they are lucky enough to have a true photographic memory, which is rare.

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    11. Re:Not just for Unix either by orpheus2000 · · Score: 1

      Heh, except RHCE and CCIE. I've seen *competent* people walk into an RHCE exam and come out wondering why they're even alive...

    12. Re:Not just for Unix either by duplicate-nickname · · Score: 1

      Pay attention beoch! What I am saying is that when the NT boom happened in the mid-90's, the only experienced admins out there were *nix or Netware admins.

      The NT admins that were needed came from one of two places...administering another NOS or some desktop support/helpdesk job. Thos NT admins that came from the desktop have little or no experience running a professional environment (obviously). I am NOT saying that Unix admins make better sys admins in general, I'm just saying that they were the only ones with sys admin experience back then.

      Call me a troll if you want, but at least I'm not posting AC...and I'm usually the one fighting all of the Linux ditto-heads here on Slashdot.

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  7. prices by schnogg · · Score: 1

    Where do I find a good price for this book?

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    1. Re:prices by Webz · · Score: 1

      Try Amazon.com.

    2. Re:prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check bookspool.com for the best prices on tech books. Here's the exact link to the sysadmin book:
      http://www.bookpool.com/.x/3xx4tr79lr/ss/1? qs=The+ Practice+of+System+and+Network+Admin

      Their Price: $39.95
      Amazon's Price: $49.99

    3. Re:prices by Davin · · Score: 1

      Seems to be ~$40 at www.bookpool.com, compared to ~$50 list and at most other places.

    4. Re:prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing beats addall.

      Mike

    5. Re:prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check the prices yesterday at BN.com and Amazon, both had discounts running on this book($43-$45). Seems like the Slashdot effect runs far and wide.... no more discounts today. $49.99

  8. Re:How big was this book? by lydon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It don't think it has to be that big, if it provides a good outline of the topics covered plus pointers where you can find more information about the topic.

    I would rather buy a book that gives me good hints to find the answers by myself, than a book that tells me it knows it all, but only provides surface answers...

    Oliver.

  9. Direct link to the BN page for the book... by Akardam · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInqu iry.asp?isbn=0201702711

    Not trying to whore karma, but I do think it's silly to have to go through that stupid bfast link.

    1. Re:Direct link to the BN page for the book... by MustardSauce · · Score: 1

      Not trying to whore karma, but I do think it's silly to have to go through that stupid bfast link.

      If you don't go through bfast, /. doesn't get paid for the referral.

    2. Re:Direct link to the BN page for the book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They may not get paid anyway. Some people, like myself, have added bfast to their hosts file as 127.0.0.1.

    3. Re:Direct link to the BN page for the book... by Scooby+Snacks · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you can wait a bit for them to get it in stock, you can order it from bookpool and save yourself a bit of cash.

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  10. See Also: The Unix System Administration Handbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    The Unix System Administration Handbook has been around a long time and also an excellent book for any System Administrator.

    Nemeth, Evi and Garth Snyder, Scott Seebass, Trent R. Hein. UNIX System Administration Handbook, Third Edition. Upper Saddle River, NJ: Prentice Hall. 2001. ISBN 0-13-020601-6.

    Definitely worth picking up a copy.

  11. Re:prices BOOKPOOL RULES by cpfeifer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Amazon charges full price ($49.95), bookpool has it for 20% off ($39.95).

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  12. Re:OT: Your Sig by fruey · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Euh... how can 2 people share one nick?

    Please explain

    This is a security issue

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  13. Sysadminning - the Art by Wingchild · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I got started by being dropped into the middle of the mix, myself. I was doing web coding for the University of Florida's Office of the University Registrar, when, in short order, two previous admins bailed out (after being passed up for promotions and raises - ah, politics). As the only guy left who knew the systems, I had to take up the banner and carry us forth as best I could.

    I just really took to systems administration. Few things please me more than to see my machines running quietly, humming along and making other people productive. I approach it like an art, treat it like an art, a chance for me to develop skills and express them while doing some good for the community I'm serving at any given time.

    I guess it's really a matter of one's perception. At least my job satisfaction is usually pretty high. :)

  14. Best *New* Price by duplicate-nickname · · Score: 5, Informative

    Get it at Bookpool for $39.95....seems to be the best price out there.

    http://www.bookpool.com/.x/k9wrskqsu1/ss/1?qs=0201 702711

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    1. Re:Best *New* Price by AceyMan · · Score: 0

      Being out-of-stock kinda hurts the chances of me using bookpool :( But I'll add them to my list of book shopping sites for the future.

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  15. Re:OT: Your Sig by leviramsey · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Euh... how can 2 people share one nick?

    Look again at the post you've linked to:

    by CmdrTaco on on 08:42 AM March 20th, 2002

    This user's id is actually "CmdrTaco on". (spaces are legal in usernames).

  16. The sample chapter is hilarious! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I downloaded the PDF of appendix B off their web site. It looks pretty dry but towards the end they started inserting jokes. I hope the whole book is this funny!

  17. Re:OT: Your Sig by fruey · · Score: 1

    OK so I didn't bother to look, which means I will remove my sig.

    However, clearly this is a problem with the code. Since when are _spaces_ valid in filenames/logins/user ids/etc

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  18. Re:See Also: The Unix System Administration Handbo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I agree that this is also a great book to pick up. This is, in fact, the book that I did cut my teeth on as a novice sysadmin (back when it was Ed 1, the yellow book). the UNIX System Administration Handbook is my favorite book for learning about specific tools for UNIX, but Limoncelli and Hogan's book cover high level design ideas which the UNIX System Administration Handbook doesn't really get into.

  19. I agree. Awesome book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really a great book. Get it, read it, know it.

  20. OT: TeX by acaird · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Anyone else look at the appendix and think "TeX"? Looking at the PDF document info, it came from "book.tex"... :)

    TeX is a most excellent portable typesetting system that is all ascii based (that is, works on nearly all platforms, goes well with CVS, vi, emacs, and automated scripts and is easily legible even before being processed into a beautifully formatted document) and free.

    Hey, I said this was off topic, but it warms my heart to see TeX used these days. Plus, TeX is bug free.

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    1. Re:OT: TeX by KjetilK · · Score: 1

      You make it sound like TeX is something rarely used...? In the physical sciences, you're not going anywhere without... That is, most use the LaTeX macros. I used it in my thesis, and my uncle, who is a professional typographer, said that very few professional typographers of today would produce something of the same typographical quality.

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  21. A network administrator named Amy?! by NowIveSeenItAllGuy · · Score: 0

    Now I've seen it all!

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    1. Re:A network administrator named Amy?! by sapphire42 · · Score: 1

      Hey! I'm a network administrator and my name is Amy, so there are two of us out there...

  22. mailing lists by Meech · · Score: 1

    Most admins use mailing lists for things that they are not able to figure out. You can check them out, they exist for almost everything.

  23. OT: They've got an awful lot of coffee in Brazil by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    And when their ham 'n' eggs need savour
    Coffee ketchup gives 'em flavour
    Coffee pickles 'way outsell the dill...
    They've got an awful lot of coffee in Brazil.

    Have you heard Soul Coughing's cover of this? Quite amazing.

  24. Re:OT: They've got an awful lot of coffee in Brazi by cpfeifer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Why yes, that's the very version I'm referencing. Soul Coughing rocks my world. After hearing 'Circles' I went out and downloaded everything I could find by them, and after wearing a hole in those MP3s, I went out and bought all the albums. TAKE THAT RIAA!

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  25. Actually for the budding sysadmin.. by xtermz · · Score: 1

    .... Nothing could be better than learning from others mistakes:

    Computer Stupidities

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    I lost my concept of community when my community lost all concept of me.
  26. Appendix B.36 ... by martial · · Score: 3, Funny

    Looks like they have good advices for _everybody- in this book ... look at the appendix "B.36 My Dishwasher Leaves Spots on My Glasses"

    --
    -- Martial MICHEL
    1. Re:Appendix B.36 ... by mickwd · · Score: 2

      If mine did that to me, I'd find a new girlfriend.

  27. TeX, make, and CVS by petej · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's better than that. Tom came to Old Bay SAGE and talked about the process of writing the book, and he said they used TeX for content, make for assembling the chapters and the book, and CVS for coordinating changes. Tom and Christine applied SysAdmin principles to writing the book!

  28. Re:See Also: The Unix System Administration Handbo by lifftchi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    YES!! the purple book! thorough, drily funny, and heavy enough to throw at obstinate users (while soft enough to keep from damaging them permanently.) somehow manages to combine a decent amount of background with good walkthroughs for common tasks. definitely worth the $80 list--pays for itself in saved admin time (and reduced occurrence of stupid mistakes, too.)

  29. Does it give ideas on how to deal with BWIs? by nologin · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd buy the book, if it has a good set of guidelines on how to properly handle the dreaded BWI (Boss With Ideas). Does it have anything covering this issue?

    Personally, I've always found it difficult when a boss (with a non-technical background) insists on using his idea even if it will cause the rest of the network, which you invested thousands of hours of your work, to disintegrate itself down to a ugly mess.

    1. Re:Does it give ideas on how to deal with BWIs? by turbine216 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It probably doesn't.

      The best advice anyone ever gave me in regards to handling the BWI-types is this:

      Know ahead of time what your boss is going to ask of you, and be knowledgable enough to offer alternatives.

      Most sysadmins that I've dealt with have been a little too quick to instantly condemn the BWI as being an ignorant prick, when you really can't blame the guy for being such (well, maybe you can blame him for being a prick). Usually, these people honestly have no idea what kind of burden they're going to be putting on you, your coworkers, and your network. And most SA's will respond accordingly, leveraging exorbiatant costs or technical jargon against the BWI's ideas. This is ALWAYS the wrong way to approach the situation.

      The best way to sort the affairs of these BWI's, then, is to give them an alternative. Most of the sysadmins that i described above usually had no clue as to what kind of work these BWI's were trying to get done, and thus had no clue as to solving the problem in a more effective manner. That's where the above advice comes in. Get to know the BWI and his (or his department's/division's/group's) work. Figure out how to solve the problem WITHOUT simply saying "that's impossible" or "do you know what kind of problems that's gonna cause?". There's always more than one way to skin a cat - and a good SA is the guy who knows a few of them.

    2. Re:Does it give ideas on how to deal with BWIs? by JerseyTom · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes. It has a section titled, "How to manage your boss".

    3. Re:Does it give ideas on how to deal with BWIs? by sclatter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dilbert: "What color database do you want?"
      PHB: "I think the mauve ones have the most RAM."

      I remember carefully talking my boss out of buying a million dollar performance management package that *only* worked on Solaris, would require another quarter million in hardware, and only served to make pretty pictures from sar output. They ran a free audit on a bunch of our heavily used servers and confirmed what we already suspected-- we were fine, we didn't need their stuff. My boss finally agreed not to buy the software, but I think he was really heartbroken over it. He loved the graphics.

      "But look! You can drill down!"

      Really, the answer to this problem is finesse. Most PHBs are fundamentally well-intentioned, they just don't understand all the issues. They aren't supposed to, that's your job. So when they show up at work excited about the all-in-one doodad they heard about on the radio on the way to work, you just have to be a little patient. Do a little research. Be tactful. Say, "Wow, that Doodad seems to be a really interesting product, unfortunately they only recommend it for use up to 50 users and we have 10,000."

      Treat the PHB like an idiot (even if he's acting like one) and he'll get defensive and insist on throwing his weight around. Be respectful and maybe even a little submissive and you'll earn his trust. Then life gets a lot simpler.

      Sarah

    4. Re:Does it give ideas on how to deal with BWIs? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

      Do it yourself. It's not all that difficult with pretty much ANY performance monitoring tool to spit out numerical data, then suck it into a spreadsheet. I built a system like this for an Win2000 network I was on; each server, every 15 minutes, would record performance data. Every day, yesterdays data would be vacu-sucked into a database. Then, at leisure, all sorts of wonderful charts, graphs, maps, trends, anything, really, could be spewed back out. Makes it bloody easy to track peak hours, faulty apps, and determine when, and how much, new hardware you're going to need.

      --
      Vintage computer games and RPG books available. Email me if you're interested.
    5. Re:Does it give ideas on how to deal with BWIs? by Genjuro+Kibagami · · Score: 1

      Offering alternatives is an extremely important oft overlooked part of the process, another is reading between the lines, The BWI only comes up with his I's for an actual reason.

      Case in point BWI flies into office demanding instant blocking of all network traffic with transparent proxying and user authentication (which of course, is not actually technically possible) to the domain and a billing system so we can bill each individual business unit amount x for bytes transferred.

      It's obvious to me that BWI has recieved an insanely large bill from the telco re our bandwidth usage, which does not surprise me, no need to be defensive because he knows, as do I, that I have repeatedly warned him that open slather on the bandwidth platter is just asking for high usage costs.

      You make a suggestion, socks 5 proxying with iptables monitoring of all non http / ftp connections and a blocking redirect to an internal help page as to how to configure the proxy and how the authentication process will work; Yes folks, that's right, your windows logons, no new usernames or passwords required. Oh, and by the way, we are watching, so be careful where you go now. This way nothing is cut off, everything still works, and the root problem at the cause of the BWI issue has been solved and the BWI leaves office feeling pacified and happy with the result of his brilliant idea.;)

  30. Spots on my glasses by richie2000 · · Score: 2

    Ah, THAT's why I get spots on my glasses! I think I'll have to buy this book. :-)

    --
    Money for nothing, pix for free
  31. Who knows? by T1girl · · Score: 2, Informative

    She may be just as beautiful as she is smart. And dating some rich lawyer who wears starched white shirts, drives a Boxster and thinks her Geek-like tendencies are "cute."

  32. Re:prices BOOKPOOL RULES by fhknack · · Score: 1

    ...except now they're out of stock. I think Bookpool got /.ed.

  33. Review on Freshmeat by skunkeh · · Score: 3, Informative
    Freshmeat are carrying a review of this book as well:

    http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/338/

    It gets a resounding thumbs up over there as well - I'm a first year Computer Science degree student at the moment but I'm sorely tempted to get it anyway, it looks like this one isn't going to get outdated any time soon.

    1. Re:Review on Freshmeat by MKalus · · Score: 2

      Reality is: There really hasn't much changed in the basics of SysAdministration over the decades...

      I know guys who did it in the early and late 70's and I was in some parts lucky enough to learn from them. The way is still the same, just the enviroment has changed (e.g. now there's windows).

      That's about it though.

      --
      If you want to e-mail me, use my PGP Key.
  34. Is there a pdf version of this book available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a pdf version of this book available for download anywhere yet?

    1. Re:Is there a pdf version of this book available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a pdf version of the ENTIRE book available for download anywhere yet?

    2. Re:Is there a pdf version of this book available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No but you can buy online deek.

    3. Re:Is there a pdf version of this book available? by JerseyTom · · Score: 3, Informative

      The entire book isn't on-line, but parts of it are on www.everythingsysadmin.com and more will be in the future. Some of the chapters are based on papers that were published at the LISA conference, so you can read them there. However, they've been expanded and edited for inclusion in the book.

  35. Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 2

    I am both Sys Admin and a profesional piano player.

    Sys Admin is not an art pure and simple.

    Want to be an artist? Paint, write, put performances, dance, play a musical instrument, write a movie, program a game perhaps.

    To keep a datacentre running smoothly is not an art, is a profession that requires a methodic organized approach. There is no art in writing a perl script, jump starting a machine or configuring a DNS server.

    --
    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
    1. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by Ringel · · Score: 1
      Actually, I believe the outward result is a methodical, organized approach. The actual process of getting there requires creativity.

      What is playing piano but getting the fingers to the right keys at the right time, with the right pressure?

      What is painting but applying pigments to a canvas?

      What is system administration but typing commands at the right time into the right computers, and plugging in cables in the right places?

      For all of them, it's everything that happens "in between" that represents the art of the task. Now, if you want to get into a discussion over range of creative expression, that's a completely different story.

    2. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by Petersko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By your definition, the kid working at Baskin Robbins making your sundae is an artist. Kind of trivializes musicians and painters, doesn't it?

      You seem to claim that if there are many ways of fulfilling a technical requirement, the act of choosing one way and implementing it makes one an artist.

      Complexity does not equal art. Never has, never will.

    3. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by Jhon · · Score: 1
      By your definition, the kid working at Baskin Robbins making your sundae is an artist. Kind of trivializes musicians and painters, doesn't it?
      I saw a "kid" working at a A&W parlor (like a Baskin Robbins) once. He was able to toss ice cream in the air and have it land in the cone, juggle spoons, and generally keep the customers entertained.

      I would classify that as an "art". Likewise, I would call keeping up with the needs of users while meeting the demands of management a form of art -- particularly if users are productive and there are few or no complaints. Sysadmins don't just work on machines. They deal with everyone from data entry clerks to the owner/CEO of a given company. And keeping BOTH those candle-ends burning brightly is NO parlor trick.

      -Jhon
    4. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by Petersko · · Score: 2

      Then everything except breathing is an art - no, wait - some people can make an art of that as well.

      Okay. Every skill is art. Therefore let's pick one word - skill or art - and use it exclusively. Kind of silly to have two words

    5. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I am both a sysadmin and a Jedi Master! HAH! BEAT THAT!

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      ~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
    6. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Art is the creative, and usually very advanced, application of a skill.

    7. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by Jhon · · Score: 1
      Then everything except breathing is an art - no, wait - some people can make an art of that as well.
      I would say that everything is a SKILL. It becomes art when it's done particularly well and touches others who expierence it.

      Even a successfull used car salesman engages in an "art". Not all art is a positive experience.

      -jhon
    8. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by roybadami · · Score: 1

      I would say that everything is a SKILL. It becomes art when it's done particularly well and touches others who expierence it.


      Hmm, doesn't patent law refer to 'a practitioner skilled in the art'? What does that mean then... :)
    9. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by Jhon · · Score: 1

      Like many words in english, ART has more than one meaning.

      In your example, ART would mean a skill acquired by experience, study, or observation (ex: the art of making friends) (thank you webster)

      -jhon

    10. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have an over-inflated ego compensating for what must be low self-esteem, Mr. I Play The Piano So I Know How To Define Art. You should get along well with Jin Wicked. Do a search for her silly little diatribe on kuro5hin, Mr. I Am A Real Artist And Not At All Pretentious.

      You cannot formalize art, Mr. I Will Not Be Trivialized By A Working Class Buffoon.

      Oh, and a painter's knowledge of and ability with chemistry in making paints is just a skill, not at all a science, I'm sure.

    11. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by Poppageorgio · · Score: 0

      That's like comparing an ice sculptor to the guy that works at the ice plant. They both make shapes of ice right?
      .

      --
      Me fail English? That's unpossible!
    12. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by belthezar · · Score: 1

      Wow mod this guy up, this is a terrific answer and one I wholeheartedly agree with.

    13. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by jess_wundring · · Score: 1

      By your definition, the kid working at Baskin Robbins making your sundae is an artist

      While sundae creation probably isn't a normal venue for art, I can see how somebody who was really into, and thus really good at making sundaes could be termed an artist. Art is as much about the way in which something is approached as it is the product produced.

      And besides, what's so sacred about musicians and painters? ...Besides the potential that they can get paid particularly well if they manage to develop a certain mass appeal or the right connections? :)

    14. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 1

      Whether its "skill" or "art" has mostly to do with the approach taken by the practicioner. I've seen people who take care with (admittedly) simple services who are obviously doing more than just slinging it my way. Is that art? Ever drink tea? Is that art? Its all a matter of the approach you take. Anyone who says "coding isn't art", I agree with them that their code isn't.

    15. Re:Not an art, don't behave like programmers. by SlashDread · · Score: 1

      Please define "art".

      Nevermind, Ill do it for you (as defined in my Arts classes):

      Art, is the result of combining existing material, in to something new and original.

      If you have a better one, please share it.

      By this definition, *good* system administrating can very much be art. Hell, good *anything* can be art.

      ps, you left another classic out: design a building, or woudnt you even agree on architecture as art?

      Gr /Dread

  36. Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fix where it says If you're are...

    Come on moderators!

  37. use of "her" in the review by rhaig · · Score: 1

    rather than play the pronoun game, and since the english language doesn't have a neuter-gender, I find it easier to read "their" or even "his or her" rather than "her". It's commonly accepted practice to write things to avoid gender or to use the male gender as the default gender. I tend to lean towards "their" even if it's not grammatically correct for singular/plural usae reasons.

    Example: rather than "and some exercises at the end to help the reader apply the covered information to her own situation", I would have said "and some exercises at the end to help the readers apply the covered information to their own situations".

    does that make me a pig? I don't think so, I just want some thing that's easy to read.

    --
    "We are not tolerant people. We prefer drastically effective solutions"
    1. Re:use of "her" in the review by wk633 · · Score: 1

      I have some relatives who are uncomfortable working with black people. Times change. Deal with it.

    2. Re:use of "her" in the review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the reviewer was female, it seems perfectly natural that "her" was used instead of "his." And there is a gender neutral pronoun, "one." It doesn't read well, though.

    3. Re:use of "her" in the review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gender neutral language is a tricky area - using "their" in place of his/her is technically incorrect unless you rewrite the sentence to pluralise the subject... reformulating the sentence so you can use "one"/"one's" often looks somewhat archaic. go too far out of your way to PC it and, well... it looks awful, and you may find yourself eating lentils and burning your bra before you know it ;)

      personally speaking i find it oddly refreshing to read generic text written with "she"/"her" - it sort of wakes me up to find something slightly unexpected. there is no actual REASON to default to masculine pronouns, it's just a convention.

      so, basically - pick a gender and stick with it. you'll be consistent, it'll be easy to read, there won't be all the ridiculous circumlocution of PC speech. but go on - use the feminine once in a while; a change is as good as a rest :)

      [must register one of these days...]

    4. Re:use of "her" in the review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why not write "his"? What is your point?

      Don't complain if someone writes "A white user...", after all just "deal with it"

    5. Re:use of "her" in the review by rhaig · · Score: 1

      um, I just find it hard to read. I'd rather it was "his or her", or "their". "Her" is no more PC than "his". It's just the grammatical equivalent of affirmative action.

      Caling me a racist because I'd prefer something was written in a less-sexist manner is kind of assinine.

      --
      "We are not tolerant people. We prefer drastically effective solutions"
    6. Re:use of "her" in the review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use the neutral pronoun "thon", a contraction of "that one"--e.g. "thon's", "thonself", etc. This represents the best solution I've seen, and what's more, it isn't some newfangled PC gobbledygook, it's actually been around for more than a century.

    7. Re:use of "her" in the review by Drunken_Jackass · · Score: 1

      you're not a pig

      you're a jackass

      --
      There are 01 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and me.
    8. Re:use of "her" in the review by rhaig · · Score: 1

      coming from "Drunken_Jackass" I'll take that as a compliment.

      From anyone else, my reply would be:
      No I'm not. I'm an asshole, and proud of it.

      --
      "We are not tolerant people. We prefer drastically effective solutions"
    9. Re:use of "her" in the review by ar_unix · · Score: 1

      Wow. It's amazing that one word choice can create so much off topic controversy. I did not, in fact, have a political agenda. I don't find that either gendered pronoun is superior to the other, and I picked her because _I_ am female.

    10. Re:use of "her" in the review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Use him when discussing technical subjects etc.


      Use her when discussing cooking, cleaning, baby raising etc.


      Problem solved. Next.

  38. Re:See Also: The Unix System Administration Handbo by strombrg · · Score: 1

    Actually, the Nemeth book really sucks.

    They never miss a chance to slam solaris - which is most admins' bread and butter. And the gratuituous attacks are far from based on facts - they're extremely misleading.

  39. Unix or English? Unix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If YOU'RE ARE, or want to be, a professional sysadmin, buy this book" ....so that's what too much unix can do to a person

  40. You're not a pig.... by defeated · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm female, and I'd rather just read "his" in place of all this P.C. crap.

    --
    Christina! Bring me an axe!
    1. Re:You're not a pig.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno, I dig geek chicks, so pile on the she's and her's (oink oink)!

      Miranda

  41. www.infrastructures.org by ChoyLeeFut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you're a sysadmin who's convinced "there's got to be a better way", check out www.infrastructures.org

    --

    The postman hits! The postman hits! You have mail.

  42. Re:Better *New* Price (direct from pub, $32.49) by ihilani · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can get the book direct from the publisher for $32.49 at: http://vig.pearsoned.com/store/product/1,3498,stor e-3941_isbn-0201702711,00.html AND it is in stock, unlike bookpool.

  43. hello? documentation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the need to provide adequate documentation? Esp for the sys admin who gets your job once you move up? "The job isn't done, until it's documented." Manual by Saber Software Corp.

  44. Re:OT: Your Sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since the death of DOS, dude.

  45. Re:See Also: The Unix System Administration Handbo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really!! I've switch my SPARC's to Debian Woody.

  46. A quote from the SAGE ethics page by El_Smack · · Score: 5, Funny

    "System administrators will not exercise their special powers to access any private information..."

    I guess I'll have to stop using telekinesis to see which of the secretaries aren't wearing panties today.


    --


    There are 01 kinds of cars in the world. The General Lee, and everything else.
    1. Re:A quote from the SAGE ethics page by virg_mattes · · Score: 2

      Damn right you'd better. Telepathy is MUCH easier, especially through walls, and you can still find out what color they are if you're wrong.

      Virg

    2. Re:A quote from the SAGE ethics page by roybadami · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damn right you'd better. Telepathy is MUCH easier, especially through walls, and you can still find out what color they are if you're wrong


      Hey, telepathy will only tell you whether (or what colour) underwear they (or someone else) think they are wearing.


      Remote viewing is more reliable.

    3. Re:A quote from the SAGE ethics page by virg_mattes · · Score: 2

      >Remote viewing is more reliable

      But that would be clairvoyance. Telekinesis would only be useful for remote skirt-lifting (or remote pants-unbuttoning and unzipping, which is so much harder to do serreptitiously), and again it doesn't work through cube walls or desks (well, okay, the lifting does, but the resultant viewing can't), which is very important here.

      Besides, I've only met one person vacuous enough to forget what color her panties were, and she was so incautious that no extraordinary power greater than the ability to stand her conversation long enough for her to uncross her legs was needed for that particular discovery.

      Virg

  47. Cannot recommend it highly enough by Ridgelift · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's only once and awhile that such a book comes out that can be ranted about. This book truly is the "camel" of System Administration. I work with both Linux and NT, and the book is applicable to both.

    The "Evard's Life Cycle" diagram is essential. I'm surprised I never saw it sooner. Also the first three points are absolute truth.

    1) Use a trouble-ticket system
    2) Manage quick requests right
    3) Start every new host in a known state

    I worked at a computer service company for years, and they did none of these three things. They're losing employees left and right because they can't manage the work effectively.

    Bottom line - buy the book.

  48. Gender, Pronouns, and Spivak by Big+Sean+O · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I'm usually never bothered by using the feminine pronouns for the general gender. I can certainly see that some people (especially women) care enough to make pronoun choice an issue. For example, 30 years ago, nobody used "Ms." as a title, now if I see a "Mrs." or a "Miss" on a letter it's usually a sign that somebody's grandmother is mailing letters.

    Using 'their' for a the general singular pronoun is apparently much more common and accepted in England. However, that seems more awkward (to me) than using 'her'.

    Michael Spivak, famed mathematician and TeXpert, created an option called Spivak Pronouns which address the issue too:


    The spivak pronouns are
    E - subjective
    Em - objective
    Eir - possessive (adjective)
    Eirs - possessive (noun)
    Emself - reflexive

    These seem very awkward to me, but who knows what will be in common use in 30 years...

    ---------

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    My father is a blogger.
    1. Re:Gender, Pronouns, and Spivak by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oy! Spivak's not trying to make a new set o' gender pronouns; 'emself's just from London, 'e is.

      --
      Vintage computer games and RPG books available. Email me if you're interested.
  49. you f0ckers just copied and pasted Amy's review! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you f0ckers just copied and pasted Amy's review from Bookpool and made an article about it. slakcerz! ;)

  50. Most importantly .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What color is the cover?

  51. Re:Better *New* Price (direct from pub, $32.49) by rc.loco · · Score: 1

    Except it's not a secure site for transmitting credit card information. What a bummer.

    --
    --rc
  52. Re:Better *New* Price (direct from pub, $32.49) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jeez, I guess that leaves you using the phone or snail mail, what a pisser! Jackass...

  53. Gender-alization by virg_mattes · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    As a first note, the race issue was brought in as a comparison. The parent poster didn't say or imply that you were a racist. Also, that poster's comment was to the effect that saying "his" and saying "her" are interchangeable in this day and age, and your finding it hard to read is your problem, not the author's.

    Now, you should not necessarily take my comment to indicate that I agree, because while I see the parent poster's point, I don't think you're coming from nowhere, since there's a great deal of precedent for using the male pronoun in non-gender specific conversation. Still, the view that "his" is more appropriate than "her" in this case is merely precedent, so you may want to give some thought to why you find it harder to read.

    Virg

    1. Re:Gender-alization by rhaig · · Score: 1

      for fucks sake! (in a frustrated sense, not an angry one) I didn't say "his" was more appropriate, I said I'd rather read "his or hers" or "theirs".

      I find it harder to read because I don't see it very often and when I do see it, I think I missed something an do back to see if we referred to a female somewhere specifically. It just doesn't flow the same for me. I don't need to "give any thought" to why I find it harder to read, I just do.

      I still say using "her" in place of "him" in a gender neutral usage is the grammatical equivalent of affirmative action, and it's silly. If you don't want to use male gender, why is it any less inappropriate to use female gender?

      --
      "We are not tolerant people. We prefer drastically effective solutions"
    2. Re:Gender-alization by roybadami · · Score: 1

      . The parent poster didn't say or imply that you were a racist. Also, that poster's comment was to the effect that saying "his" and saying "her" are interchangeable in this day and age, and your finding it hard to read is your problem, not the author's.


      I largely disagree. 'His' and 'her' are not generally used interchangeably. Standard practice is still to use 'his' as the common gender pronoun, and 'their' has gained significant usage. I dispute that 'her' is widely used as a common gender pronoun.

      You can't support an artificial change to the English language, and then complain that the fact native readers of English find it hard to read -- if you do, you're just burying your head in the sand.

      You can, however, promote an artifical change to the English language, and justify it on the basis that the anticipated social benefits outweigh the inconvenience to the reader unaccustommed to the new usage. But that's not the same thing.
    3. Re:Gender-alization by virg_mattes · · Score: 2

      > for fucks sake! (in a frustrated sense, not an angry one) I didn't say "his" was more appropriate, I said I'd rather read "his or hers" or "theirs".

      Actually, you'd be grammatically accurate to say that "his" is more appropriate. I know this may seem like a turnaround, but reread my entire post, and you'll see that I tend to fall on the side of "he" for gender-neutral grammar in general use. As to the concept of affirmative action language, that's a personal thing. I tend to switch between "he" and "she" because I pick whichever falls into my head while I'm writing, and that seems to be evenly divided. Your implication is that I (or anyone) would choose "she" instead of "he" because of political reasons, but that's not the case here. My use of "she" instead of "he" is more closely the grammatical equivalent of a random number generator, so appropriateness does not enter into my figuring.

      Lastly, calling someone's decision to try to change an established rule (even a grammatical one) silly is trivializing to that person's political beliefs, and it's insulting. You need to choose your words more carefully. Being right is no excuse for being condescending.

      Virg

  54. that's because solaris really does suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Solaris is just fundamentally broken and wrongheaded in so many ways. One miniscule example is their really, really fucked tar. Another larger example: the default install has all kinds of security problems. (Yes, yes, due admin diligence to fix them, but it's nice to not have to worry about that much shit being wide open.) It's gotten to the point that I'd rather use Net or OpenBSD on a sparc machine than the OS the manufacturer wrote, which is just pathetic. When a bunch of random open source coders can slap together a better OS than the dozens to hundreds of highly paid engineers you have on staff, well, maybe it's time to evaluate what you're doing wrong. The _only_ time I use solaris any more is if the hardware is outside the supported realm of freenixen I mentioned above, and then I'm not even remotely happy about it... IMHO, Sun is like Apple: great hardware and absolutely fucking terrible software.

  55. Re:you f0ckers just copied and pasted Amy's review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, first came the amazon review, then the /. review, and THEN the bookpool review.

  56. Well, talking about linuxx.. by geeky-troll · · Score: 0
    Linux: the hype is over

    According to the latest Gartner group research report, the Linux hype is finally over. Research shows that market share of linux-driven production servers on the internet has finally declined to a single-digit number. The reasons for this are clear:

    * Linux is unstable
    * Linux has an unreliable filesystem
    * Everybody uses Windows or BSD, nowadays

    Research has clearly pointed out, that although there are still hordes of pinguin-dressed geeks running around MIS departments, management has grown wise (or gone out of business) and doesn't even allow Linux workstations anymore, since the costs in maintaining these machines turned out to be astronomically high. The reasons for this are clear as well.

    * Installation is a pain in the ass
    1. it usually takes a whole support team to install a geeks' workstation

    * Bandwidth
    1. Installation and maintenance requires 4-5 times the bandwidth a 'normal' OS would require

    * Integration and connectivity
    1. Linux was deliberately made completely incompatible and inoperatible with turnkey solutions like
    2. MS Exchange or MS SQL server. Investments in these products are therefore voided the minute you start rolling out Linux.

    * Complexity
    1. Applications developed in Perl or C, the languages of the linux community have proven to be slow, unreliable, insecure and headaching complicated. Once developed and debugged, nobody is able to understand the code.


    Therefore, it has been statistically proven that most companies have already moved away from Linux. This can be concluded from the following signs:

    • All the 'geeks' wearing tux t-shirts are actually MIS support guys who are still studying for their MCSE exam.
    • 'The screaming fast linux machines at work' are actually refurbished workstations at a separated network segment, not allowed on the production network since every linux (l)user seems to need nmap [insecure.org] to perform normal work-related computer operations.
    • All the 'cool' Apache web servers are actually IIS machines with forged host headers. (yes, you can do that in IIS without recompiling anything. Heck, I lived for years without a C compiler and still do. )

    • For the rare instance where a free UNIX is actually used in a production environment, management has smartened up and BSD is usually installed.



    1. Re:Well, talking about linuxx.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how can you walk carrying such a heavy axe?

    2. Re:Well, talking about linuxx.. by xannik · · Score: 1

      "Applications developed in Perl or C, the languages of the linux community have proven to be slow, unreliable, insecure and headaching complicated. Once developed and debugged, nobody is able to understand the code." C as far as effiency and speed is one of the best languages out there. Any computer science major knows this. As far as "headachingly complicated," yes C requires more knowledge and skill that's why companies hire programmers who know their shit. I would certainly hope that a company wasnt trusting their code to be written by a Gartner Group analyst. A language is about giving the programmer the tools needed to build a great application. If the application is crap I can tell you that it is 99.9% probability that the programmer doesnt know how to write code. Especially in the case of such a powerful language as C.

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  57. Not really. by Vermifax · · Score: 1

    "By your definition, the kid working at Baskin Robbins making your sundae is an artist. Kind of trivializes musicians and painters, doesn't it?"

    Not at all, unless musicians and painters have an opinion of themselves higher than it should be.

    I play the Horn in F and the Irish Tin Whistle. Music is an art, so are trades and skills when done particularly well.

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  58. Daniel Isaacs? by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 1

    There is a reason the Jedi appeal to us generally. We've been down the path of the Master and the apprentice.

    Daniel Isaacs the Sysadmin?
    From what Ive heard you should probably be sympathizing with the Sith.

    1. Re:Daniel Isaacs? by daniel_isaacs · · Score: 1

      Daniel Isaacs the Sysadmin?
      From what Ive heard you should probably be sympathizing with the Sith.


      I thought I knew who you were, but you haven't posted on any of the Star Trek threads. And the only C++ whores that I know don't frequent /. So I don't think you are a friend IRL. A UBB/YaBB aquaintance? AC?

      Unless you've mistaken me for someone else. That's possible. Drop me a note, I'm easy to find.

      -Darth Isaacs (has a nice ring to it.)

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      - Dan I.
    2. Re:Daniel Isaacs? by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 1


      Sorry, just some faceless entity making a vague attempt at humor late in a dying thread.


      Well, after reading your comments, perhaps we are friends, in an internet kind of way...

    3. Re:Daniel Isaacs? by daniel_isaacs · · Score: 2

      perhaps we are friends, in an internet kind of way

      Can't be. I'm not an 11 year old boy, and this isn't AOL. ;)

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  59. Anyone post a pdf version of book? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So has anyone scanned and posted the entire book online yet?

  60. Re:See Also: The Unix System Administration Handbo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what's your idea of a good Solaris Administrators reference?

    Please don't mention Janice Windsor (SHUDDER!)

  61. Damn... by kasper37 · · Score: 1

    I was wondering what a story "Particle Systems and System Administration" would be about...I need more sleep...

  62. Please, a comparison with the USAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, since the article is probably advertising, could someone not involved compare the Unix part of that book to the USAH (Unix System Administration Handbook) which I already own, and love so much? Thanks!

    1. Re:Please, a comparison with the USAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This book doesn't specifically talk about UNIX or any one software package/platform. This is more of a "why" than a "how" book, so the two compliment each other, not compete.

  63. Scary Devil Monastery by Arrgh · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    rancid mystery loaves
    steady micron slavery
    comedy striven salary
    trendy mosaic slavery
    convert already missy
    scary devil monastery
    misty adversary clone
    mail covers dysentary
    discover anal mystery

    (alt.sysadmin.recovery)

    Official acronym list from the ASR FAQ

  64. Promotion by virg_mattes · · Score: 2

    Well, then I'd like to support the artificial change of the reading of both paragraphs of my post, not just the first one, and complain that in racing to argue the first point you didn't get my whole message. In the second paragraph, you will see that I agree that precedent validates the use of "his" in gender-neutral settings. I also largely disagree that using "her" in gender-neutral settings is standard use. My comment was a suggestion for rhaig to consider why it seemed unnatural, not a suggestion that it really was unnatural.

    Virg

  65. Re:The Slashdot Pot that Called the Kettle Black by mabinogi · · Score: 1

    If you want a book on system administration, and you don't have the mental capacity to figure out that you don't HAVE to go where slashdot SUGGESTS you go to buy it....then I'm afraid there is no hope for you.

    Besides which, the slashdot link tells you where it's going.

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  66. Re:The Slashdot Pot that Called the Kettle Black by ar_unix · · Score: 1

    Just for the record, it's /. that puts the purchasing link there, it was not in my review.

  67. Buy it from the Publisher by borgasm · · Score: 2, Informative
  68. Amy Rich???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did anyone notice that every site that sells the book (Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Bookpool) has the same exact review from Amy Rich? Also some of the other reviews are identical across the sites. Almost sounds like review spam. (Quick call up Uncle Joe and have him say something nice about my book, Oh and here is a list of sites to post it on!)

    "I saw it on the Internet, It MUST be true!"

    1. Re:Amy Rich???? by ar_unix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The review on amazon and bookpool are the same, yes (why write the same short review more than once)? I don't recall writing one for B&N (I don't buy books there), and I don't see one there claiming to be from me..? As a matter of fact, B&N claims that there are no customer reviews so far.

      I wrote the amazon book review first and decided that I felt strongly enough about the book to post a review here too. slashdot reviews are more fleshed out than storefront reviews, so this one is expanded. I mostly buy technical books via bookpool, so that also seemed like a good place to put the shorter review.

      I hardly consider it spam to review a book in three places! Do you only tell three friends about this cool book you just read..? No.

  69. Re:you f0ckers just copied and pasted Amy's review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget about the B&N review. She spammed all of the book sites.

  70. Re:Better *New* Price (direct from pub, $32.49) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would you say that? - it seems to be https
    all the way out of the order form.

  71. Re:Better *New* Price (direct from pub, $32.49) by bwalling · · Score: 2

    Hmm... I'm there right now, 128bit.

  72. Another useful related book on the topic by MarkMac · · Score: 1
    There are two aspects to good system administration: one is system technical know-how which may or may not be well taught in courses, the other is practical administration skills which you will likely never learn via coursework. This book covers the later topic very well and ought to be a must-read for anyone having system admin responsibilities! Maybe not quite the same as years of accumulated work experience in the field but an invaluable resource nonetheless. And this book isn't as likely to become obsolete as quickly as that "Learn C++ Now" or "COM Interface Programming" textbook!

    I'd also recommend having a look at another recent book on the same topic but with much more of a technical emphasis (and not having quite so many humorous antidotes): Principles of Network and System Administration by Mark Burgess (author of cfengine), 2000, Addison-Wesley. The idea behind the two books is the same though - as Burgess points out, "being a system administrator is as much a state of mind as it is being about being knowledgeable."

  73. Ironic, no? by Pii · · Score: 2
    IMHO, Sun is like Apple: great hardware and absolutely fucking terrible software.

    Ironic, considering that Sun's approach in the beginning was to *not* be in the hardware business.

    Unlike IBM, HP, or DEC, Sun's claim to fame was that they didn't manufacture or design any of their own hardware. They would simply assemble components produced by third parties.

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