---snip Okay, how about this then? I collect vinyls, and also I like to listen to music in my car, but playing vinyls in my car is not possible. Howver, playing MP3s in the car is (thank you, Pioneer). Making an MP3 out of a vinyl is difficult, time consuming, and doesn't sound very good, so I will often go onto P2P networks to get the songs in MP3 format. I own a copy of the song on vinyl, so I'm not breaking the law by downloading songs I already have a license for. ---snip
Sorry, every bit as far fetched as your original example. Out of millions of users of p2p systems ranging from nntp (well, few people run a newsfeed from their house, so nntp barely qualifies) to freenet, gnutella, opennap and such, I bet only a tiny fraction of those people come close to your example of having the music legally already but find it easiest to transfer to their Pioneer car mp3 player by scrounging around for a rip that someone else did at some random bitrate. Sure, perhaps there are a couple of these angels around, but...come on:)
---snip I would hate to have my ISP account terminated because somebody suspected me of breaking the law, even though I wasn't. ---snip
I still agree with you, it is wrong for people to get their accounts frozen on mere suspicion.
But the particular examples you are choosing for legit use of p2p technologies are a bit out there.:)
Unless we can come up with a strong, legit-sounding reason that p2p activity is likely _not_ illegal, this will probably continue to happen. Yes, it is like being treated guilty until proven innocent. Sad, but true. Unfortunately, it is common knowledge that p2p networks can be used for piracy. What needs to be made common knowledge is how p2p technologies could improve many legit activities that would appeal to a wide audience.
If I were asked to show a legit use of p2p technology to someone on a jury, perhaps I would explain that if p2p technologies were used by the major news websites during the 9/11 attacks, that the webpages would have downloaded increasing _faster_ as load increased. Or something along those lines, something that many people could see how it would improve them directly. Not some sad story about the poor audiophile with a media conversion quandry. Joe Sixpack doesn't care about Mr. Audiophiles rights; all Joe Sixpack wants to get the news fast and reliably; p2p will do it better? Great, let's use that.
When all the Joe Sixpacks of the world think of p2p as an indispensible tool, the ??AA's of the world will have to move on and find something new to target; maybe they will go back to attacking cassette tapes?
---snip Is it so far fetched for a person to download mp3s off a CD they already own? It certainly is a lot simpler to do that than to rip your own mp3s, especially if your CD is scratched badly right on the spot where your favorite track is on the CD. ---snip
Not to ignore your main point, but actually, these examples do sound a bit far fetched:)
And if you do get a page, not many of the images are loading. They think they are hot for surviving a slashdotting with a peak at 1:30a, and the article telling the rest of us how to do it gets slashdotted:)
By law (in the U.S.) students are required to have an automatic activation device, and any pro would carry one as a matter of common sense, although the law for pro's only says they need a backup chute, they legally can jump without an automatic activation device (assuming his friends would even let him get in the plane like that).
Skydiving is an extremely safe sport; flying in an airplace is much more complicated than driving in a car, but so much attention is spent on aircraft maintenance and crew training that it is quite safe; people die all the time in cars. Riding a motorcycle is simpler than solo-skydiving, but so much attention is put towards safety in this sport (imagine taking your motorcycle apart, inspecting, and reassembling before every outing) that accidents in skydiving are rare (and almost always caused by someone deliberately trying to bypass the safety systems for a bigger thrill).
didn't he specifically say he was not interested in certs, but rather gaining experience in multiple areas? He is looking for a school so he can get easy access to different hardware and possibly some people who can answer his questions one on one. Buying a lab for home learning isn't cheap, and sometimes it is good to have a live person to talk to instead of depending on nntp.
---snip awry, in skydiving your death is guaranteed the instant you jump out the door ---snip
Not quite; you could be thrown from the plane unconcious, if your emergency chute is setup correctly the automatic activation device will go off once you've passed a certain altitude a bit too quickly:)
So if you don't do anything, death is pretty much unlikely.
Otoh, if you do end up doing something incorrectly (deploy your main chute incorrectly getting lines tangled, don't inspect all gear carefully before using) then yes, you could easily die; a half opened chute could slow you down enough to convince the emergency activation device all is well, but may still be plenty fast enough to kill you.
---snip The radar reflector is from West Marine. It's basically foam board covered with thick, radar-reflective aluminum foil. All of its surfaces are at right angles to each other which also increases the radar reflectivity. I wanted to make sure that the balloon would show up on FAA radar so that no planes would fly into it. ---snip
As I understand, civilian air radar cannot reliably detect a 757 with it's transponder switched off. Does anyone know if this is true?
My earliest memory by far was created when I was only a couple of months old, at most. I was being placed into a scale; I remember seeing my father looking down towards me and the doctor. What I remember most vividly (and probably the exceptional event that made me remember this event) was the metal scale was freezing cold (at least it felt like I was on my back on a plate of ice).
My doctor had passed away when I was still little, and we have no pictures of him. Describing the scene, both my parents confirm the appearance of the doctor (I remember his face quite vividly) as well as my dad recalling that specific visit to the doctor once I had described the situation well enough. That memory of the cold scale is quite clear and complete.
Another fairly early memory was probably a bit older. I was in the kitchen sink being washed. I splashed the water, and got some on my older half sister. I remember her face with a big frown looming closely and a loud, ominous "noooo!".:) I also remember seeing that I had splashed her right thigh, and her jeans were dark where they were wet, and a few details that identified that I was in the kitchen of my first house (which according to my parents we moved out of before I was two).
I have a few minor recollections of that first house (I picked up a pencil, toddled to the table in front of the couch, and threw the pencil into my dad's coffee mug, much to my father's consternation), and all seem to be at moments when stress or a threat. The scale I was put on was _very_ cold, my sister was angry, realizing my father might be about to get mad.
I don't think it has anything to do with language.
Although if the data had been encrypted, and the key kept elsewhere, the customers of the thieves (assuming industrial espionage or military spying was the motivation) would be _quite_ displeased once they plugged them in to see what they had...
I know, keeping the key elsewhere could have been a total pita in this case, depending on how the data was used/how often the host system was restarted, if it needed to be able to restart itself from a failure with no admin/user intervention, etc. etc...but if you can encrypt the data, at least it is just hardware you lose when your physical security breaks down.
---snip And I believe that would not be a legal contract. They tried to do that at my university. The school was sued and they lost. It is no longer the policy. ---snip
What school is this? Being able to point to them as an example may help someone avoid this happening to them.
Actual, stopping the windows messaging service is _not_ the correct way to take care of this. As said a few messages before, blocking traffic to the netbios message port from untrusted networks (such as the internet) is.
If he has netbios open to the internet...pretty dumb.
As for keeping other people from being scammed; I think education is the only sure-fire way. Well written "best practices" guides could help tremendously. In this example, "common-sense things to do after setting up your windows XP OS but before connecting it to the internet" perhaps.
Of course, this requires people to read up before just installing an OS in a wild fit of boredom for the "education" tactic to work...
---snip Remote mail is way too flaky, constantly bringing up a VPN connection and dropping it, adding the overhead of that protocol. I'll stick with IMAP and Mozilla - hell, even configuring Outlook to just use IMAP is a better solution all around IMO. ---snip
You need the VPN connection anyway if you are going to connect using the native protocol. If it is constantly disconnecting you, then something is wrong with your setup.
---snip If I actually ever give a damn about the calendar, tasks or notes I'll just use the web-based Outlook client - which amazingly enough doesn't require Internet Explorer (it'll even run under NS4 for Linux). ---snip
As I said, if all you want is mail, IMAP is great.
---snip I'm running Outlook 2000 w/ Exchange 2000 on the backend. Connecting from home over a VPN takes 3-4 minutes to initialize the connection and start seeing new mail. Connecting with Mozilla via IMAP takes less than three seconds to read new mail. I'm not even exaggerating or joking. ---snip
Much more is done when you initially connect with the exchange protocol (do not call it MAPI, I've already seen a couple of people here handing out exchange advice who don't know the difference between a protocol and an API) than happens with IMAP. Public free/busy, flagged messages, alert queue, more being checked before the message list is even looked at. If all _you_ want is the messages, then IMAP is great.
All the answers I've read so far seem to be shots in the dark. My shot in the dark; use the "remote mail" functionality in the client (assuming you are using outlook 98 or higher, if your running outlook 97 it is time to take advantage of the "free" upgrade to outlook 2000 included with exchange server).
Finding out there are (still employed) admins out there forcing their users to connect to their exchange mailbox at 56Kbps using a protocol designed to run over 10Mbps connections, that is hilarious. Use the remote mail tools, that is what they are there for. RTFM if you have never used them before.
You will find the remote mail tools work at about the same speed as an IMAP connection (only extended support for message header info unique to exchange which can be more helpful than what IMAP can provide when deciding whether or not you want to download that 24MB message). Also, from the client side, you will still see calendar, task folders, etc. in the same mailbox store, which is nice.
I am certainly familiar with AFS, no reading up necessary:)
There are many solutions to this problem, trying to build a single sharepoint (what the original poster had suggested as an "answer") is a solution to a _different_ problem.
---snip Modern IDE drives will handle the traffic that's generated by a decent number of client PCs. This lets you can place a couple of 200GB ---snip
Have you completely missed the point? He doesn't want a single server solution, any idiot can do that. He want a distributed file system, which would dynamically and transparently store data in different places.
I do that right now at one of my clients, with NT 4.0/windows 2000 DFS, I have over 1.5GB worth of data accessible through a single entry point. He wants something that will interoperate with unix-boxen, which makes microsoft's implentation of DFS not so great (it's a pain just to get it to work between nt4 and nt5).
A quick search of google for "distrbuted file system" quickly shows many other implentations, which would probably work better for him.
---snip I would suggest that you read your employee handbook, especially the section entitled "No Expectation of Privacy" and then re-think whether or not you want your personal data locked up in a work-provided facility. ---snip
If the critical backed up data (or the backup itself) is encrypted properly, who cares? Let 'em read it all they want:)
---snip This wasn't rigged. Everyone was told ahead of time that the target missle had a GPS receiver on the warhead as well as a C-band beacon. ---snip
Ummm, the patriot I from 1969 (which the original post was refered to) _was_ rigged.
It certainly did not have a GPS receiver on the warhead, and I do not believe it had any transmitter on it all, but the tests (as original post stated) were rigged in other ways, such as counting an accidental collision as a "success".
I think you may confusing the patriot I afidel was talking about with a much more more recent missile that made the news, a modified minuteman, back in 2001. It was equipped with a beacon as well as a GPS unit, transmitting it's coordinates back to the ground control as it flew.
---snip If you hate being lied to, you should take the time to better research what people (including myself) and news sources in general tell you. ---snip
All the correct statements in the world (your statements _do_ ring true to me, and I agree, the modified minuteman drone was a fair test) are not very valuable if your replying apples to an oranges conversation.
but you did get modded to 5...hooray for slash-think:)
---snip It's called "Office 11" so they can release it right before Apple releases OS 11, and thus will look "behind the times" compared to MS. ---snip
Nice theory, but it actually is their 11th release of Office. Trying to make Apple look "behind the times" probably did not even occur to them. Click help/about in an office application to see it's version. Word 2000 is part of Office 9.
why not an external USB floppy, and keep the dual internal batteries? Check out the floppy drive as a seperate item only for the students who feel they need it. That also buys you the ability to check out drives capable of handling different media beyond what the modular drive sold with the laptop (1.44MB floppy?) could handle.
---snip It has two "near" points to the earth (ahead and behind). Thus wouldn't it take 45+ years (rather than 20) until it gets close enough again? 20 years would put it at the farthest possible distance. ---snip
It would if the round trip took 95 years, but but 95 years only gets you a one way visit. From the article:
Thereafter it will travel ahead of the Earth moving faster than our planet does, until after 95 years it will catch up with the other side of the Earth and then reverse its motion.
So a one way trip takes 95 years...an out and all the way back trip would take 190 years. So at 20 years it would be a quarter of the way along, and at 47.5 years it would have reached it's furthest point.
No, but I suspect it would be very possible, in say, the next 20 or so years that it will be in our neighborhood. It takes 90+ years to complete a cycle; it's not like it's going to zip away all of a sudden.
Detailed observations of its trajectory through space show that 2002 AA29 will reach its minimum close approach to the Earth - 12 times the distance between Earth and the Moon - at 1900 GMT on 8 January 2003.
It will be closest to Earth in 2003, and will be nearby for awhile after. As it is much, much closer than Mars, it very well may become the next body visited.
Slashdot Mirror
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:)
:)
Okay, how about this then? I collect vinyls, and also I like to listen to music in my car, but playing vinyls in my car is not possible. Howver, playing MP3s in the car is (thank you, Pioneer). Making an MP3 out of a vinyl is difficult, time consuming, and doesn't sound very good, so I will often go onto P2P networks to get the songs in MP3 format. I own a copy of the song on vinyl, so I'm not breaking the law by downloading songs I already have a license for.
---snip
Sorry, every bit as far fetched as your original example. Out of millions of users of p2p systems ranging from nntp (well, few people run a newsfeed from their house, so nntp barely qualifies) to freenet, gnutella, opennap and such, I bet only a tiny fraction of those people come close to your example of having the music legally already but find it easiest to transfer to their Pioneer car mp3 player by scrounging around for a rip that someone else did at some random bitrate. Sure, perhaps there are a couple of these angels around, but...come on
---snip
I would hate to have my ISP account terminated because somebody suspected me of breaking the law, even though I wasn't.
---snip
I still agree with you, it is wrong for people to get their accounts frozen on mere suspicion.
But the particular examples you are choosing for legit use of p2p technologies are a bit out there.
Unless we can come up with a strong, legit-sounding reason that p2p activity is likely _not_ illegal, this will probably continue to happen. Yes, it is like being treated guilty until proven innocent. Sad, but true. Unfortunately, it is common knowledge that p2p networks can be used for piracy. What needs to be made common knowledge is how p2p technologies could improve many legit activities that would appeal to a wide audience.
If I were asked to show a legit use of p2p technology to someone on a jury, perhaps I would explain that if p2p technologies were used by the major news websites during the 9/11 attacks, that the webpages would have downloaded increasing _faster_ as load increased. Or something along those lines, something that many people could see how it would improve them directly. Not some sad story about the poor audiophile with a media conversion quandry. Joe Sixpack doesn't care about Mr. Audiophiles rights; all Joe Sixpack wants to get the news fast and reliably; p2p will do it better? Great, let's use that.
When all the Joe Sixpacks of the world think of p2p as an indispensible tool, the ??AA's of the world will have to move on and find something new to target; maybe they will go back to attacking cassette tapes?
---snip
:)
Is it so far fetched for a person to download mp3s off a CD they already own? It certainly is a lot simpler to do that than to rip your own mp3s, especially if your CD is scratched badly right on the spot where your favorite track is on the CD.
---snip
Not to ignore your main point, but actually, these examples do sound a bit far fetched
They will get their chance; how we _didn't_ survive a slashdotting. :)
And if you do get a page, not many of the images are loading. They think they are hot for surviving a slashdotting with a peak at 1:30a, and the article telling the rest of us how to do it gets slashdotted :)
By law (in the U.S.) students are required to have an automatic activation device, and any pro would carry one as a matter of common sense, although the law for pro's only says they need a backup chute, they legally can jump without an automatic activation device (assuming his friends would even let him get in the plane like that).
Skydiving is an extremely safe sport; flying in an airplace is much more complicated than driving in a car, but so much attention is spent on aircraft maintenance and crew training that it is quite safe; people die all the time in cars. Riding a motorcycle is simpler than solo-skydiving, but so much attention is put towards safety in this sport (imagine taking your motorcycle apart, inspecting, and reassembling before every outing) that accidents in skydiving are rare (and almost always caused by someone deliberately trying to bypass the safety systems for a bigger thrill).
didn't he specifically say he was not interested in certs, but rather gaining experience in multiple areas? He is looking for a school so he can get easy access to different hardware and possibly some people who can answer his questions one on one. Buying a lab for home learning isn't cheap, and sometimes it is good to have a live person to talk to instead of depending on nntp.
---snip
:)
awry, in skydiving your death is guaranteed the instant you jump out the door
---snip
Not quite; you could be thrown from the plane unconcious, if your emergency chute is setup correctly the automatic activation device will go off once you've passed a certain altitude a bit too quickly
So if you don't do anything, death is pretty much unlikely.
Otoh, if you do end up doing something incorrectly (deploy your main chute incorrectly getting lines tangled, don't inspect all gear carefully before using) then yes, you could easily die; a half opened chute could slow you down enough to convince the emergency activation device all is well, but may still be plenty fast enough to kill you.
---snip
The radar reflector is from West Marine. It's basically foam board covered with thick, radar-reflective aluminum foil. All of its surfaces are at right angles to each other which also increases the radar reflectivity. I wanted to make sure that the balloon would show up on FAA radar so that no planes would fly into it.
---snip
As I understand, civilian air radar cannot reliably detect a 757 with it's transponder switched off. Does anyone know if this is true?
My earliest memory by far was created when I was only a couple of months old, at most. I was being placed into a scale; I remember seeing my father looking down towards me and the doctor. What I remember most vividly (and probably the exceptional event that made me remember this event) was the metal scale was freezing cold (at least it felt like I was on my back on a plate of ice).
:) I also remember seeing that I had splashed her right thigh, and her jeans were dark where they were wet, and a few details that identified that I was in the kitchen of my first house (which according to my parents we moved out of before I was two).
My doctor had passed away when I was still little, and we have no pictures of him. Describing the scene, both my parents confirm the appearance of the doctor (I remember his face quite vividly) as well as my dad recalling that specific visit to the doctor once I had described the situation well enough. That memory of the cold scale is quite clear and complete.
Another fairly early memory was probably a bit older. I was in the kitchen sink being washed. I splashed the water, and got some on my older half sister. I remember her face with a big frown looming closely and a loud, ominous "noooo!".
I have a few minor recollections of that first house (I picked up a pencil, toddled to the table in front of the couch, and threw the pencil into my dad's coffee mug, much to my father's consternation), and all seem to be at moments when stress or a threat. The scale I was put on was _very_ cold, my sister was angry, realizing my father might be about to get mad.
I don't think it has anything to do with language.
Although if the data had been encrypted, and the key kept elsewhere, the customers of the thieves (assuming industrial espionage or military spying was the motivation) would be _quite_ displeased once they plugged them in to see what they had...
I know, keeping the key elsewhere could have been a total pita in this case, depending on how the data was used/how often the host system was restarted, if it needed to be able to restart itself from a failure with no admin/user intervention, etc. etc...but if you can encrypt the data, at least it is just hardware you lose when your physical security breaks down.
---snip
And I believe that would not be a legal contract. They tried to do that at my university. The school was sued and they lost. It is no longer the policy.
---snip
What school is this? Being able to point to them as an example may help someone avoid this happening to them.
Actual, stopping the windows messaging service is _not_ the correct way to take care of this. As said a few messages before, blocking traffic to the netbios message port from untrusted networks (such as the internet) is.
If he has netbios open to the internet...pretty dumb.
As for keeping other people from being scammed; I think education is the only sure-fire way. Well written "best practices" guides could help tremendously. In this example, "common-sense things to do after setting up your windows XP OS but before connecting it to the internet" perhaps.
Of course, this requires people to read up before just installing an OS in a wild fit of boredom for the "education" tactic to work...
---snip
Remote mail is way too flaky, constantly bringing up a VPN connection and dropping it, adding the overhead of that protocol. I'll stick with IMAP and Mozilla - hell, even configuring Outlook to just use IMAP is a better solution all around IMO.
---snip
You need the VPN connection anyway if you are going to connect using the native protocol. If it is constantly disconnecting you, then something is wrong with your setup.
---snip
If I actually ever give a damn about the calendar, tasks or notes I'll just use the web-based Outlook client - which amazingly enough doesn't require Internet Explorer (it'll even run under NS4 for Linux).
---snip
As I said, if all you want is mail, IMAP is great.
---snip
I'm running Outlook 2000 w/ Exchange 2000 on the backend. Connecting from home over a VPN takes 3-4 minutes to initialize the connection and start seeing new mail. Connecting with Mozilla via IMAP takes less than three seconds to read new mail. I'm not even exaggerating or joking.
---snip
Much more is done when you initially connect with the exchange protocol (do not call it MAPI, I've already seen a couple of people here handing out exchange advice who don't know the difference between a protocol and an API) than happens with IMAP. Public free/busy, flagged messages, alert queue, more being checked before the message list is even looked at. If all _you_ want is the messages, then IMAP is great.
All the answers I've read so far seem to be shots in the dark. My shot in the dark; use the "remote mail" functionality in the client (assuming you are using outlook 98 or higher, if your running outlook 97 it is time to take advantage of the "free" upgrade to outlook 2000 included with exchange server).
Finding out there are (still employed) admins out there forcing their users to connect to their exchange mailbox at 56Kbps using a protocol designed to run over 10Mbps connections, that is hilarious. Use the remote mail tools, that is what they are there for. RTFM if you have never used them before.
You will find the remote mail tools work at about the same speed as an IMAP connection (only extended support for message header info unique to exchange which can be more helpful than what IMAP can provide when deciding whether or not you want to download that 24MB message). Also, from the client side, you will still see calendar, task folders, etc. in the same mailbox store, which is nice.
I am certainly familiar with AFS, no reading up necessary :)
There are many solutions to this problem, trying to build a single sharepoint (what the original poster had suggested as an "answer") is a solution to a _different_ problem.
---snip
Modern IDE drives will handle the traffic that's generated by a decent number of client PCs. This lets you can place a couple of 200GB
---snip
Have you completely missed the point? He doesn't want a single server solution, any idiot can do that. He want a distributed file system, which would dynamically and transparently store data in different places.
I do that right now at one of my clients, with NT 4.0/windows 2000 DFS, I have over 1.5GB worth of data accessible through a single entry point. He wants something that will interoperate with unix-boxen, which makes microsoft's implentation of DFS not so great (it's a pain just to get it to work between nt4 and nt5).
A quick search of google for "distrbuted file system" quickly shows many other implentations, which would probably work better for him.
---snip
:)
I would suggest that you read your employee handbook, especially the section entitled "No Expectation of Privacy" and then re-think whether or not you want your personal data locked up in a work-provided facility.
---snip
If the critical backed up data (or the backup itself) is encrypted properly, who cares? Let 'em read it all they want
netflix.com I would imagine would be pros at this sort of thing.
otoh, at least one in 10 DVDs I get from them seems to have a media problem of one type or another.
Hells yeah!!! :)
---snip
:)
This wasn't rigged. Everyone was told ahead of time that the target missle had a GPS receiver on the warhead as well as a C-band beacon.
---snip
Ummm, the patriot I from 1969 (which the original post was refered to) _was_ rigged.
It certainly did not have a GPS receiver on the warhead, and I do not believe it had any transmitter on it all, but the tests (as original post stated) were rigged in other ways, such as counting an accidental collision as a "success".
I think you may confusing the patriot I afidel was talking about with a much more more recent missile that made the news, a modified minuteman, back in 2001. It was equipped with a beacon as well as a GPS unit, transmitting it's coordinates back to the ground control as it flew.
---snip
If you hate being lied to, you should take the time to better research what people (including myself) and news sources in general tell you.
---snip
All the correct statements in the world (your statements _do_ ring true to me, and I agree, the modified minuteman drone was a fair test) are not very valuable if your replying apples to an oranges conversation.
but you did get modded to 5...hooray for slash-think
---snip
It's called "Office 11" so they can release it right before Apple releases OS 11, and thus will look "behind the times" compared to MS.
---snip
Nice theory, but it actually is their 11th release of Office. Trying to make Apple look "behind the times" probably did not even occur to them. Click help/about in an office application to see it's version. Word 2000 is part of Office 9.
why not an external USB floppy, and keep the dual internal batteries? Check out the floppy drive as a seperate item only for the students who feel they need it. That also buys you the ability to check out drives capable of handling different media beyond what the modular drive sold with the laptop (1.44MB floppy?) could handle.
---snip
It has two "near" points to the earth (ahead and behind). Thus wouldn't it take 45+ years (rather than 20) until it gets close enough again? 20 years would put it at the farthest possible distance.
---snip
It would if the round trip took 95 years, but but 95 years only gets you a one way visit. From the article:
Thereafter it will travel ahead of the Earth moving faster than our planet does, until after 95 years it will catch up with the other side of the Earth and then reverse its motion.
So a one way trip takes 95 years...an out and all the way back trip would take 190 years. So at 20 years it would be a quarter of the way along, and at 47.5 years it would have reached it's furthest point.
No, but I suspect it would be very possible, in say, the next 20 or so years that it will be in our neighborhood. It takes 90+ years to complete a cycle; it's not like it's going to zip away all of a sudden.
from the article:
Detailed observations of its trajectory through space show that 2002 AA29 will reach its minimum close approach to the Earth - 12 times the distance between Earth and the Moon - at 1900 GMT on 8 January 2003.
It will be closest to Earth in 2003, and will be nearby for awhile after. As it is much, much closer than Mars, it very well may become the next body visited.