Most people are good. But teenagers typically don't fully comprehend the impact of thier actions. Also the gun analogy is not a valid one. In order to "create a mess" with your firearms, you would have to witness the horror caused by your actions and have a high probability of being caught.
Cracking computer systems is much different. You can do it from the comfort and privacy of your own home. You don't see the greif your actions causes others. It is traditionally much more difficult to get caught.
I see that they are doing everything they can to discourage deviant behaviour, but they cannot prevent it and as someone said earlier, if they enable these kids with the skills necessary, a chain of responsibility is created and lawsuits will propogate up the chain stopping at the organization with the most money.
After learning how to break systems fom a prominate IDS designer, I can honestly say that I will design much more secure systems myself. Becuase of my age, I don't feel the need to go out and try what we learned on real systems to see if I can cause havoc.
However, I wonder why the adults behind this "after school program" think that kids will have the same degree of responsibility that university students do when learning these things. What is to keep them from going out and writing viruses, unleasing them upon the Internet and generally causing lots of trouble after learning how to "protect" systems.
I do remember the story that started it. There was a post almost a year ago on someone building a beowulf cluster of Apple IIe's (yes I am too lazy to search for it {/. search engn. sux}).
Every hardware story that came out after it contained at least one comment about.. "Man Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of X". I guess the idea was that a cluster of Apple IIe's was so absurd, why not a cluster of Microwaves (with microprocessors) or a cluster of iPaq's (it exists) or a cluster of ______ fill in the blank.
I've asked him to find out if there is any more info since the site is a bit sparse.
I would be interested to see how some of this comes together. I have a friend who has aspirations of putting a small profile PC in his car. He might be motivated to switch to an XBOX after he sees what can be done with it.
Becuase you couldn't. It takes a committie of industry experts, academics dedicated to building a specification that satisfies everyones current requirements. It should be flexible extensible and open. I didn't say it was easy, but it can be done. TCP/IP,HTTP,XML... Your're, like, a nihlist, right?
... has the media format standards always been divided between two non-compatable formats. Is there really any reason they cannot agree on one. Why not argue over three or four.
Beta/VHS, CD-RW/CD-RW+, mp3/wma, DVD-RW,DVD-RW+. One of them always looses big time, they ought follow in the footsteps of the W3C or IETF and make _one_ standard that makes everyone happy.
It seems as though companies align themselves along competition lines rather than going with the one with the best specification.
Dude, the traffic situation in London seriously sucks for everyone. Just becuase somebody can't afford to move closer to work does not make him a "numpty" (whatever that is). There are lots of reasons people don't have a choice but to suffer through the situation they are in, this guy is just making the situation a little more enjoyable.
Unless you know this guy personally and can definitivley say that he has another option available to him, you can't go slingning mud in his direction.
They would. They know that the XBOX is positioned to enter into the home entertainment sector. The next iteration of the game console will be something closer to a PVR.
The would be happy to see that thier is an emerging market for the same use in automobiles. The problem is that there are not enough Gangsta Rappers to make this sector popular. Maybe the minivan crowd will provide enough motivation for them to make the push into developing mobile consoles.
Funny how kids and gansta rappers are the only ones interested in playing video games in thier cars.
This site is pretty light on details. I have seen more in depth explantions on HOWTO bake a cake. If this guy did this himself, he must have been way to tired or un-motivated to document any of it.
A damn cool project though. I'll bet MS would be proud to see thier XBOX used in such a versitle way. They should get some bright ideas from this.
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Damn. You could get a compatable PC for 2/3 the price. The Tosh Box won't play Doom either.
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The Motion Picture Assocation will love this little feature:
DVD-RAM/DVD-R Recorder allows users to record and playback their favorite videos in stunning MPEG-2 digital video resolution on removable media
From HDD to DVD-R Yeah! This has been when TiVo hackers have been trying to get accomplished for years.
I agree, this sum total of the interesting bits of this "Math in Oragami" page is a single proof regarding coloring that is not any more profound that what you would find in a u-grad course on graph theory.
There might be a lot of math in Oragami that impresses 4th graders, but this indeed is not "News for Teacher's Stuff to Assign for Homework".
Web server management, user account managment service startup, firewall managment, hardware configuration all can be configured using BASH and PERL on *Nix.
Even though those utilities have been ported to Win2K, they cannot perform the same functionality on an operating system that hides 75% of it's operation from all users.
"Your statements are nothing but platitiudes with no basis in fact. In short, thanks, but no thanks for the FUD. You are not helping the Linux movement by offering such ignorant statements. It makes us all look stupid."
So the web server management, user account managment service startup, firewall managment, hardware configuration and the like can all be configured in Win2K using PERL and other commandline utilities?
You make yourself look pretty silly when you champion the utility of an Operating System whose designers themselves admit the inflexibility of. As we argue, Windows engineers are trying to figure out a way to add a usefull file based configuration and command line shell to the next release of windows.
... is the flexibility that *nix offers. I would like to see some Win MCSE write a.bat script that could perform half the tasks my bash/perl script foo could handle.
There is still the basic undeniable fact that becuase Windows hides the operating system internals away from the end user, it is far less configurable and less flexible.
What's even funnier is that this "Turk" beat such famous people as Ben Franklin and Napolean Bonnapart. Well, the match with Napolean was officialy a draw becuase he wiped all the pieces from the board when he saw that he was loosing too badly to recover.
I think it shows a healthy attitude towards IP that is worth encouraging no matter how irrelavent thier current effort is.
They not only have shorted copyright legnths, but also have started an initiative with many american univeristies to offer access to _all_ of thier books online at no cost to the student. The schools might pay a fee similar to that which is paid to the ACM or IEEE, but it shows they are willing to allow access to thier material when it is important, but otherwise hindered by financial short-comings.
That's why I have a Junk email address that I give out to anyone that asks for an email address who isn't somebody I talk to on a regular basis. Occasionaly I check the account and delete every message to make sure I am under my quota, but I _never_ give out my primary address.
It makes sense that the most profitible orgainizations on the Internet are the ones that are serving the purpose for which it was created (information dissemination).
I would still like to see a buisiness model for the Net that is something other than the "Give stuff away for free but pop-up ads" model.
I think that once Micro-Payments roll around to being feasible, it will be alot easier for companies to get paid for what they do without having to crowd up the Internet with those fsking ads all over the place.
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Most people are good. But teenagers typically don't fully comprehend the impact of thier actions. Also the gun analogy is not a valid one. In order to "create a mess" with your firearms, you would have to witness the horror caused by your actions and have a high probability of being caught.
Cracking computer systems is much different. You can do it from the comfort and privacy of your own home. You don't see the greif your actions causes others. It is traditionally much more difficult to get caught.
I see that they are doing everything they can to discourage deviant behaviour, but they cannot prevent it and as someone said earlier, if they enable these kids with the skills necessary, a chain of responsibility is created and lawsuits will propogate up the chain stopping at the organization with the most money.
After learning how to break systems fom a prominate IDS designer, I can honestly say that I will design much more secure systems myself. Becuase of my age, I don't feel the need to go out and try what we learned on real systems to see if I can cause havoc.
However, I wonder why the adults behind this "after school program" think that kids will have the same degree of responsibility that university students do when learning these things. What is to keep them from going out and writing viruses, unleasing them upon the Internet and generally causing lots of trouble after learning how to "protect" systems.
WTF? You mean that 19 year old stripper is my retired next door neighbor Frank?
I do remember the story that started it. There was a post almost a year ago on someone building a beowulf cluster of Apple IIe's (yes I am too lazy to search for it {/. search engn. sux}).
Every hardware story that came out after it contained at least one comment about.. "Man Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of X". I guess the idea was that a cluster of Apple IIe's was so absurd, why not a cluster of Microwaves (with microprocessors) or a cluster of iPaq's (it exists) or a cluster of ______ fill in the blank.
I've asked him to find out if there is any more info since the site is a bit sparse.
I would be interested to see how some of this comes together. I have a friend who has aspirations of putting a small profile PC in his car. He might be motivated to switch to an XBOX after he sees what can be done with it.
Your friend can follow a nice format laid out by this guy who has thouroughly detailed How to get the lowest score on the SAT.
Becuase you couldn't. It takes a committie of industry experts, academics dedicated to building a specification that satisfies everyones current requirements. It should be flexible extensible and open. I didn't say it was easy, but it can be done. TCP/IP,HTTP,XML... Your're, like, a nihlist, right?
... has the media format standards always been divided between two non-compatable formats. Is there really any reason they cannot agree on one. Why not argue over three or four.
Beta/VHS, CD-RW/CD-RW+, mp3/wma, DVD-RW,DVD-RW+. One of them always looses big time, they ought follow in the footsteps of the W3C or IETF and make _one_ standard that makes everyone happy.
It seems as though companies align themselves along competition lines rather than going with the one with the best specification.
That's amazing. I can't imagine what I would do if I saw my mate's friend's car on Slashdot. Fsking Cool!
Dude, the traffic situation in London seriously sucks for everyone. Just becuase somebody can't afford to move closer to work does not make him a "numpty" (whatever that is). There are lots of reasons people don't have a choice but to suffer through the situation they are in, this guy is just making the situation a little more enjoyable.
Unless you know this guy personally and can definitivley say that he has another option available to him, you can't go slingning mud in his direction.
They would. They know that the XBOX is positioned to enter into the home entertainment sector. The next iteration of the game console will be something closer to a PVR.
The would be happy to see that thier is an emerging market for the same use in automobiles. The problem is that there are not enough Gangsta Rappers to make this sector popular. Maybe the minivan crowd will provide enough motivation for them to make the push into developing mobile consoles.
Funny how kids and gansta rappers are the only ones interested in playing video games in thier cars.
This site is pretty light on details. I have seen more in depth explantions on HOWTO bake a cake. If this guy did this himself, he must have been way to tired or un-motivated to document any of it.
A damn cool project though. I'll bet MS would be proud to see thier XBOX used in such a versitle way. They should get some bright ideas from this.
Damn. You could get a compatable PC for 2/3 the price. The Tosh Box won't play Doom either.
From HDD to DVD-R Yeah! This has been when TiVo hackers have been trying to get accomplished for years.
I agree, this sum total of the interesting bits of this "Math in Oragami" page is a single proof regarding coloring that is not any more profound that what you would find in a u-grad course on graph theory.
There might be a lot of math in Oragami that impresses 4th graders, but this indeed is not "News for Teacher's Stuff to Assign for Homework".
Web server management, user account managment service startup, firewall managment, hardware configuration all can be configured using BASH and PERL on *Nix.
Even though those utilities have been ported to Win2K, they cannot perform the same functionality on an operating system that hides 75% of it's operation from all users.
THAT is what makes unix more flexible.
The AC writes:
"Your statements are nothing but platitiudes with no basis in fact. In short, thanks, but no thanks for the FUD. You are not helping the Linux movement by offering such ignorant statements. It makes us all look stupid."
So the web server management, user account managment service startup, firewall managment, hardware configuration and the like can all be configured in Win2K using PERL and other commandline utilities?
You make yourself look pretty silly when you champion the utility of an Operating System whose designers themselves admit the inflexibility of. As we argue, Windows engineers are trying to figure out a way to add a usefull file based configuration and command line shell to the next release of windows.
... is the flexibility that *nix offers. I would like to see some Win MCSE write a .bat script that could perform half the tasks my bash/perl script foo could handle.
There is still the basic undeniable fact that becuase Windows hides the operating system internals away from the end user, it is far less configurable and less flexible.
The UC Davis robotic weed killer for the Robot Hall of Fame
What's even funnier is that this "Turk" beat such famous people as Ben Franklin and Napolean Bonnapart. Well, the match with Napolean was officialy a draw becuase he wiped all the pieces from the board when he saw that he was loosing too badly to recover.
I think it shows a healthy attitude towards IP that is worth encouraging no matter how irrelavent thier current effort is.
They not only have shorted copyright legnths, but also have started an initiative with many american univeristies to offer access to _all_ of thier books online at no cost to the student. The schools might pay a fee similar to that which is paid to the ACM or IEEE, but it shows they are willing to allow access to thier material when it is important, but otherwise hindered by financial short-comings.
The article refrences a site that is something between a crackers object of desire and an annoying javascript experiment gone wrong.
http://0100101110101101.org/
That's why I have a Junk email address that I give out to anyone that asks for an email address who isn't somebody I talk to on a regular basis. Occasionaly I check the account and delete every message to make sure I am under my quota, but I _never_ give out my primary address.
-- billstr@mad.scientist.com
It makes sense that the most profitible orgainizations on the Internet are the ones that are serving the purpose for which it was created (information dissemination).
I would still like to see a buisiness model for the Net that is something other than the "Give stuff away for free but pop-up ads" model.
I think that once Micro-Payments roll around to being feasible, it will be alot easier for companies to get paid for what they do without having to crowd up the Internet with those fsking ads all over the place.
Here is another link to a story which also refrences other "spoof" ads. Very funny stuff.