AFAIK only snuff films are banned entirely (illegal to own; public decency laws mean quite a lot isn't for sale),
Well snuff films probably don't exist;) I'm not aware of any laws against owning one, but since there's never been a case AFAIK, it's never been tested in court.
although I think that there's a bill banning violent porn on it's way through parliment due to the family of a dead woman blaiming her death on it. I'm at work, so I'm not going to google for links...
Indeed there is, it's a great concern of mine (in that it covers images of acts between consenting adults, and even fictional images - of course I wouldn't be bothered about a law for actual non-consensual violence; though much like snuff films, their existence appears to be an urban legend anyway). (Slashdot covered it at http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/05/199233 , more info at http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/ ). It gets debated in Parliament this coming Monday.
I think that that's probably in breech of EU rules on the free movement of goods. They can't stop someone buying it from the UK or France etc., then taking it home to Germany.
Interesting - but I suspect that will be trumped if the thing in question is prohibited in the country. Here in the UK we have strict censorship laws (Manhunt 2 was banned, for example), and I believe people can be charged for importing adult material that is legal in other countries, but the censors disapprove of. I hope you are right though, it would be nice for the EU to clamp down on this nonsense.
The issue is not complying with the letter of the BSD license, the issue is ethical behavior and the spirit of FOSS. At the core of FOSS is the ethic of giving back to those whose shoulders you stand upon. If you are taking a BSD work, integrating it into your GPL project, and making *minor* changes or bug fixes it is ethical to submit those changes/fixes to the BSD community.
The ethics, if there are any, is the idea that code changes should be available. And they _have_ made their code changes available.
What they aren't doing is releasing those changes under BSD, but that is hardly against the spirit of somebody who believes in the GPL.
Yes they are, and you didn't read all the comments, because it's right there, modded up for all to see. YES, THEY ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU CLAIM THEY ARE NOT DOING.
The very first comment on this story started talking about "perspective". The comment I replied to was comment #8, and no one at that time had claimed that. The only thing added since then is a comment modded down as Troll. What comments am I missing?
See, THAT is what "no one is claiming". Nowhere is that point made or implied.
In that case, refer to my "What's your point exactly?" I'm sure those having the debates of security and freedom know "what real repression and censorship looks like" - certainly I would guess they're more likely to have a better idea than the "if you've got nothing to hide" crowd.
No, it's like shooting you in the face while you're complaining about your hair being pulled and crying about how hair pulling is the greatest horror ever to be visited on mankind. It's about the distorted perception of individuals who claim to have a clear understanding of what censorship is. It's about calling people like that on the hyperbole and propaganda they use because reality doesn't support their rants.
Well there's a strawman if ever I've seen. I never see people say that random-act-of-censorship is the "greatest horror ever to be visited on mankind". All your claims here are strawmen - respond to an actual argument, rather than making one up.
If I pull your hair, the fact that someone in another country is getting shot in the face won't stop you complaining, will it?
Again, I ask - what is the point being made here? It seems you clearly do have something against people who complain about censorship, based on your poor stereotyping of them. If you're just saying for no reason at all that the events here are worse than other events, then yes I suspect we all agree, thank you for pointing out the bleeding obvious.
? The Daily Mail is about as mainstream media as it gets.
Well yes it's mainstream, but it's the Daily Mail, a not-exactly-reliable tabloid. You might as well cite The Sun.
(Having said that, chances are they may well be correct in this case - but I see what the OP was getting at, if a story has only appeared in the Mail, but not non-tabloid mainstream media.)
Yes it does. It reminds us that the security-freedom balance is a continuum
I agree, although I would add that it's more of a authoritarian-freedom balance, in that in many cases, it's not clear that giving up freedom does give us extra security, like they claim (e.g., here in the UK we are told that compulsory ID cards and national database will help prevent terrorism, but it is not clear how this is true at all).
This is what real repression and censorship looks like.
I don't understand this logic. Firstly, no one is claiming that things in the US or UK are worse than what's happening in Burma.
Just because worse things are happening doesn't mean that censorship on a lesser scale is okay - it's like showing you a picture of what "real violence looks like", as I slam a fist into someone's face... We're on the same side here, there's no point trying to turn into a comparison.
I suspect that those who disagree with censorship in the US also disagree with it in Burma, and indeed many of them may be actively opposing it.
For example an Intel Core 2 Duo could be a 986DX2-3 which means it's a 9th generation x86 CPU that is not an economy model (Celeron), it has 2 cores and runs at 3 GHz.
A Core 2 based Celeron could be a 986SX-2 while a Core 2 Quad could be 986DX4-2.5.
Although note there are a lot more "levels" than just 2. The Core 2 Duo has at least two lines (the E4xxx and E6xxx), and there's also the new Pentium Dual Core chips (E2xxx), which sit between Core 2 Duo and Celeron.
What will happen to the grammatical, pronunciation, and spelling differences between British English and American English (as well as others)?
I suspect that both versions will become acceptable. There are already words that have more than one spelling.
Already it's becoming hard to tell the difference - whilst spellings like color/colour are well known, more subtle differences in British English such as practice/practise are already being lost.
Maybe, though has there been a case where a warranty has protected from liability, whilst removing a warranty has resulted in liability from the original author (who wasn't the one to distribute to the person suing)?
There's also an advantage in using an FSF/OSI approved license.
Like the GPL?
Obviously I agree there are advantages to using licences rather than public domain - I choose BSD or GPL myself. There is a reason to having legalese - it was the OP who seemed to think legalese was bad, so I guess we can agree that there may be some reasons for having it (although the GPL is a lot longer than the MIT licence, this is rather misleading - much of the length is not due to the extra restrictions the GPL places, but simply because it's far more pedantic and explicit about covering the same issues, such as termination, acceptance, disclaimer and limitation of warranty). The OP's point was that the GPL is bad because of legalese, but somehow other licences were okay.
Because public domain means you can't attach a warranty disclaimer.
That's a separate issue though. You can put a warranty disclaimer, independent of whether you put conditions on distribution, or release it into the public domain.
Also, one cannot simply declare their work in the public domain in most countries.
One could also have a licence saying you can do what you like (e.g., WTFPL as the other commenter pointed out).
I'm pretty sure in the UK we don't have that right, at least, the media can take pictures without getting permission from everyone appearing in the shot.
Well, it's pretty stupid to have 15 years of memories on a single medium of storage (or "thing" since we're being nice to non-techies). Don't put your whole life on a "thing". Things break, and get orange juice spilled over them, and stolen by mafia like the ones you make movies about. EVERYBODY knows that. I have many non-geek friends who have 2 or 3 copies of their photos..etc because they know the world of IT is pretty much in it's infancy, so a world-renown director should really know enough about life not to put so much in one place.
RTFS. He didn't put it on a single thing. He had backups. The problem appears to be having backups at the same location, and not having offsite backups.
That's because it's much newer - a Celeron M440 is based on Intel Core architecture, whilst a P4 is ancient. Today's low end will usually beat yesterday's high end.
They did - except they've now reintroduced the Pentium brand in the form of the Pentium Dual Core, which appear to be a lower end CPU, below the Core Duo 2s, but above the Celeron.
I've just been looking into it all as I need to get a new desktop motherboard/CPU, and blimey it's a lot more complicated than when we just had Pentium 1-4, and Celeron for low end. The Core Duo 2 brand itself covers at least two ranges (E4xxx and E6xxx CPUs - Pentium Dual Cores are E2xxx), not to mention things like the Extreme version.
I wonder how much influence branding has on purchasing. I mean, the sad thing is I can't really be bothered seeing if I could get a better deal with Athlon processors, as I can't be arsed deciphering their branding scheme, and working out how they match up to Intel speeds. It was so much easier when it was just AthlonXP xxxx, where the number roughly gave you an equivalent Pentium 4 clock speed...
In Linux, GCC+Eclipse+Java+gstreamer-dev would be an about 200-300 megs download.
You could use these on Windows too.
Anyway, I'm not sure that "How much I need to download to write a simple app" is a good measure of development tools. I mean, you could equally complain you need to download several gigs just to write "Hello World". I'm more concerned with how good the tools are, not how long the one-off download time is.
This is just a variation of where people say Java is bad, and BASIC is good, based on how many lines it takes to write a "Hello World" program...
"People use the Internet a lot" is not "People only use computers with the Internet".
People do sometimes print out letters you know, and there are plenty of popular non-online games.
You also ignore the vast amount of computers used in business where any Internet usage is minimal. Yes, they need a network, such as needing to print, but "network" and the Internet are not the same thing!
The point is it is very misleading to suggest it is the Internet using up this energy. If the Internet didn't exist, there would still be lots of computers.
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AFAIK only snuff films are banned entirely (illegal to own; public decency laws mean quite a lot isn't for sale),
;) I'm not aware of any laws against owning one, but since there's never been a case AFAIK, it's never been tested in court.
Well snuff films probably don't exist
although I think that there's a bill banning violent porn on it's way through parliment due to the family of a dead woman blaiming her death on it. I'm at work, so I'm not going to google for links...
Indeed there is, it's a great concern of mine (in that it covers images of acts between consenting adults, and even fictional images - of course I wouldn't be bothered about a law for actual non-consensual violence; though much like snuff films, their existence appears to be an urban legend anyway). (Slashdot covered it at http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/05/199233 , more info at http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/ ). It gets debated in Parliament this coming Monday.
Not to mention that it was also the UK's own GCHQ that apparentely first came up with RSA.
boggles the mind that so many here at slashdot do send such e-mails, or are at least willing to hide trivial things.
Let's just say, imagine having a girlfriend who lives elsewhere?
Oh wait, you are right, it boggles the mind that this would apply here on Slashdot...
Remember "innocent until proven guilty"?
Agreed - but the point is that whilst we know and remember that, the Government often does not seem to.
I think that that's probably in breech of EU rules on the free movement of goods. They can't stop someone buying it from the UK or France etc., then taking it home to Germany.
Interesting - but I suspect that will be trumped if the thing in question is prohibited in the country. Here in the UK we have strict censorship laws (Manhunt 2 was banned, for example), and I believe people can be charged for importing adult material that is legal in other countries, but the censors disapprove of. I hope you are right though, it would be nice for the EU to clamp down on this nonsense.
The issue is not complying with the letter of the BSD license, the issue is ethical behavior and the spirit of FOSS. At the core of FOSS is the ethic of giving back to those whose shoulders you stand upon. If you are taking a BSD work, integrating it into your GPL project, and making *minor* changes or bug fixes it is ethical to submit those changes/fixes to the BSD community.
The ethics, if there are any, is the idea that code changes should be available. And they _have_ made their code changes available.
What they aren't doing is releasing those changes under BSD, but that is hardly against the spirit of somebody who believes in the GPL.
Yes they are, and you didn't read all the comments, because it's right there, modded up for all to see. YES, THEY ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU CLAIM THEY ARE NOT DOING.
The very first comment on this story started talking about "perspective". The comment I replied to was comment #8, and no one at that time had claimed that. The only thing added since then is a comment modded down as Troll. What comments am I missing?
See, THAT is what "no one is claiming". Nowhere is that point made or implied.
In that case, refer to my "What's your point exactly?" I'm sure those having the debates of security and freedom know "what real repression and censorship looks like" - certainly I would guess they're more likely to have a better idea than the "if you've got nothing to hide" crowd.
No, it's like shooting you in the face while you're complaining about your hair being pulled and crying about how hair pulling is the greatest horror ever to be visited on mankind. It's about the distorted perception of individuals who claim to have a clear understanding of what censorship is. It's about calling people like that on the hyperbole and propaganda they use because reality doesn't support their rants.
Well there's a strawman if ever I've seen. I never see people say that random-act-of-censorship is the "greatest horror ever to be visited on mankind". All your claims here are strawmen - respond to an actual argument, rather than making one up.
If I pull your hair, the fact that someone in another country is getting shot in the face won't stop you complaining, will it?
Again, I ask - what is the point being made here? It seems you clearly do have something against people who complain about censorship, based on your poor stereotyping of them. If you're just saying for no reason at all that the events here are worse than other events, then yes I suspect we all agree, thank you for pointing out the bleeding obvious.
? The Daily Mail is about as mainstream media as it gets.
Well yes it's mainstream, but it's the Daily Mail, a not-exactly-reliable tabloid. You might as well cite The Sun.
(Having said that, chances are they may well be correct in this case - but I see what the OP was getting at, if a story has only appeared in the Mail, but not non-tabloid mainstream media.)
Might be of interest to note that Wikipedia has accepted the new name.
Not anymore! The article name has now been changed to Burma.
Yes it does. It reminds us that the security-freedom balance is a continuum
I agree, although I would add that it's more of a authoritarian-freedom balance, in that in many cases, it's not clear that giving up freedom does give us extra security, like they claim (e.g., here in the UK we are told that compulsory ID cards and national database will help prevent terrorism, but it is not clear how this is true at all).
This is what real repression and censorship looks like.
I don't understand this logic. Firstly, no one is claiming that things in the US or UK are worse than what's happening in Burma.
Just because worse things are happening doesn't mean that censorship on a lesser scale is okay - it's like showing you a picture of what "real violence looks like", as I slam a fist into someone's face... We're on the same side here, there's no point trying to turn into a comparison.
I suspect that those who disagree with censorship in the US also disagree with it in Burma, and indeed many of them may be actively opposing it.
What's your point exactly?
If so, than what the heck is a Core 2 Duo? Clearly it's not a quad-core, but the CPU from TFA, IS a quad-core, even though it's still called Core "2".
"2" is the version, not the number of cores (like Pentium 2 vs Pentium).
Core 2 Duo is dual core - I can't see where the article talks about a Duo Quad core?
For example an Intel Core 2 Duo could be a 986DX2-3 which means it's a 9th generation x86 CPU that is not an economy model (Celeron), it has 2 cores and runs at 3 GHz.
A Core 2 based Celeron could be a 986SX-2 while a Core 2 Quad could be 986DX4-2.5.
Although note there are a lot more "levels" than just 2. The Core 2 Duo has at least two lines (the E4xxx and E6xxx), and there's also the new Pentium Dual Core chips (E2xxx), which sit between Core 2 Duo and Celeron.
What will happen to the grammatical, pronunciation, and spelling differences between British English and American English (as well as others)?
I suspect that both versions will become acceptable. There are already words that have more than one spelling.
Already it's becoming hard to tell the difference - whilst spellings like color/colour are well known, more subtle differences in British English such as practice/practise are already being lost.
Maybe, though has there been a case where a warranty has protected from liability, whilst removing a warranty has resulted in liability from the original author (who wasn't the one to distribute to the person suing)?
There's also an advantage in using an FSF/OSI approved license.
Like the GPL?
Obviously I agree there are advantages to using licences rather than public domain - I choose BSD or GPL myself. There is a reason to having legalese - it was the OP who seemed to think legalese was bad, so I guess we can agree that there may be some reasons for having it (although the GPL is a lot longer than the MIT licence, this is rather misleading - much of the length is not due to the extra restrictions the GPL places, but simply because it's far more pedantic and explicit about covering the same issues, such as termination, acceptance, disclaimer and limitation of warranty). The OP's point was that the GPL is bad because of legalese, but somehow other licences were okay.
Because public domain means you can't attach a warranty disclaimer.
That's a separate issue though. You can put a warranty disclaimer, independent of whether you put conditions on distribution, or release it into the public domain.
Also, one cannot simply declare their work in the public domain in most countries.
One could also have a licence saying you can do what you like (e.g., WTFPL as the other commenter pointed out).
Why not release it as public domain then?
Complete freedom, and people don't have to worry about reading up on what MIT or BSD or whatever means.
Why do you care? Stop asking worthless questions just because you're bored. Go read a book, fly a kite, bang a chick, anything!
I just did thanks.
I'm pretty sure in the UK we don't have that right, at least, the media can take pictures without getting permission from everyone appearing in the shot.
You aren't allowed to publish photos of people who can be identified on the web without their permission in Sweden either.
Interesting - how does it apply to crowd pics, or people in background?
How do the media cope with this? Simply not have any photos with more than a few people?
What about things like recordings of live gigs with a large audience?
Well, it's pretty stupid to have 15 years of memories on a single medium of storage (or "thing" since we're being nice to non-techies). Don't put your whole life on a "thing". Things break, and get orange juice spilled over them, and stolen by mafia like the ones you make movies about. EVERYBODY knows that. I have many non-geek friends who have 2 or 3 copies of their photos..etc because they know the world of IT is pretty much in it's infancy, so a world-renown director should really know enough about life not to put so much in one place.
RTFS. He didn't put it on a single thing. He had backups. The problem appears to be having backups at the same location, and not having offsite backups.
That's because it's much newer - a Celeron M440 is based on Intel Core architecture, whilst a P4 is ancient. Today's low end will usually beat yesterday's high end.
They did - except they've now reintroduced the Pentium brand in the form of the Pentium Dual Core, which appear to be a lower end CPU, below the Core Duo 2s, but above the Celeron.
I've just been looking into it all as I need to get a new desktop motherboard/CPU, and blimey it's a lot more complicated than when we just had Pentium 1-4, and Celeron for low end. The Core Duo 2 brand itself covers at least two ranges (E4xxx and E6xxx CPUs - Pentium Dual Cores are E2xxx), not to mention things like the Extreme version.
I wonder how much influence branding has on purchasing. I mean, the sad thing is I can't really be bothered seeing if I could get a better deal with Athlon processors, as I can't be arsed deciphering their branding scheme, and working out how they match up to Intel speeds. It was so much easier when it was just AthlonXP xxxx, where the number roughly gave you an equivalent Pentium 4 clock speed...
In Linux, GCC+Eclipse+Java+gstreamer-dev would be an about 200-300 megs download.
You could use these on Windows too.
Anyway, I'm not sure that "How much I need to download to write a simple app" is a good measure of development tools. I mean, you could equally complain you need to download several gigs just to write "Hello World". I'm more concerned with how good the tools are, not how long the one-off download time is.
This is just a variation of where people say Java is bad, and BASIC is good, based on how many lines it takes to write a "Hello World" program...
"People use the Internet a lot" is not "People only use computers with the Internet".
People do sometimes print out letters you know, and there are plenty of popular non-online games.
You also ignore the vast amount of computers used in business where any Internet usage is minimal. Yes, they need a network, such as needing to print, but "network" and the Internet are not the same thing!
The point is it is very misleading to suggest it is the Internet using up this energy. If the Internet didn't exist, there would still be lots of computers.