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Jericho Won't Be Edited For Germany

Despite the loss they'll be taking in German game sales, Codemasters has made the decision not to make substantial changes to their title Jericho after the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions were banned from commercial release in Germany. "'Following a review by the USK ratings board, which declined to give an official rating, Codemasters has decided not to change the artistic vision of the renowned author and film-maker Clive Barker though cuts and extensive changes,' said the company in a statement sent to GamesIndustry.biz." For a sense of what the fuss is about Rock, Paper, Shotgun has an analysis of the demo.

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  1. What am I not seeing? by radarjd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From either of the linked articles, I have no idea what the objectionable content is. It sounds violent, but what FPS isn't? Can anyone provide more info?

    1. Re:What am I not seeing? by CaseCrash · · Score: 1
      From the escapist:

      According to a report on the German website Heise Online (translated by Google), the decision came as a result of the game's "brutal scenes," and paves the way for the Federal Verification Office for Youth-Endangering Media to place the game on an index of banned games. Placement on the index would result in a complete ban of the game, making it illegal to advertise, sell or import into Germany; currently, the refusal of the USK to issue a rating means the game is available for purchase only to people 18 years of age or older.
      A refusal to give a rating bans it from the 360 and the PS3 since microsoft and sony don't allow unrated games, but they'll still be able to sell the PC version. I guess this is like their ban of manhunt 2and other violent games.

      Also, the escapist had this on 9/25 and gamasutra on 9/26. (oh, nm, the article is from 9/26)
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    2. Re:What am I not seeing? by minginqunt · · Score: 1

      It's fairly gory; It seems that the German ratings board take particular exception to gory and/or fantasty violence. Which is odd, since the moral majority tend to get all het-up over the regular kind, and tend to ignore demon and zombie slaying as inexcusably geeky.

      Personally, I think the game should be banned because you can't *jump*. And FPS with no jumping makes mee feel inexcusably crippled, like they've cut off one of my legs and my primary weapon is a supersoaker. Gah.

    3. Re:What am I not seeing? by Pojut · · Score: 1

      You know where I wish you couldn't jump? WoW. Yes, I know there are some places where it is useful, but seriously...watching people jump constantly in that game pisses me off.

    4. Re:What am I not seeing? by Sciros · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't be jumping around under fire with a gun, anyway. You're just too used to low-grav physics in games, where you get 2 full seconds of air time a la Master Chief; I'm happy with no jumping in a game that's supposed to be more realistic (at least in some ways).

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    5. Re:What am I not seeing? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      As opposed to what The Escapist reports, the index does NOT prevent sales. All restrictions placed on indexed games only apply to minors. The game cannot be displayed where minors can see it, cannot be sold to minors, etc but there are no restrictions on what can be done in adult-only venues or below the counter (of course noone will stock an indexed game outside of speciality stores). Only a court can order a complete ban on the grounds that it endangers the order of society.

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    6. Re:What am I not seeing? by Jural99 · · Score: 1

      Gears of War, you don't jump in that and it is an excellent shooter. not every FPS needs jump.

    7. Re:What am I not seeing? by minginqunt · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and then what about the poor cybering Night Elf ladies of Goldshire?

      The saucy little NelfJump is one if the primary ways the long-eared trollops sell their Elvish asses.

    8. Re:What am I not seeing? by Toonol · · Score: 1

      I hate jumping in shooters. If the game allows you to jump, it needs to limit the height to about 18 inches, and make it impossible to shoot while jumping.

      Why do people complain about the realism of details of foliage or water refraction, when they have characters that move like Saturday morning cartoons?

      I would also like to see strafing and moving backwards made slow, inaccurate, and prone to tripping.

    9. Re:What am I not seeing? by VJ42 · · Score: 1

      making it illegal to advertise, sell or import into Germany I think that that's probably in breech of EU rules on the free movement of goods. They can't stop someone buying it from the UK or France etc., then taking it home to Germany. Infact they probably can't stop someone ordering it from an (non-German) EU based based on-line shop and getting it mailed to them either.

      Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.
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    10. Re:What am I not seeing? by Khuffie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why do people complain about the realism of details of foliage or water refraction, when they have characters that move like Saturday morning cartoons? Because if I wanted to play a character that moves regularly, I'd go out and take a walk. There's a difference between realism and simulation. When games start to sacrifice all the things you mentioned, it would no longer be fun, and just be an exercise in frustration.

    11. Re:What am I not seeing? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Funny

      From either of the linked articles, I have no idea what the objectionable content is. It sounds violent, but what FPS isn't? Can anyone provide more info? It's a first person shooter, featuring Nazis against Scientologists. I'm not sure who the protagonists are.
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    12. Re:What am I not seeing? by samkass · · Score: 1

      I think you're pretty much describing "America's Army". Although I haven't played it since they stopped making a Mac version, it treated the accuracy aspect more like a simulation than a game. Any activity dropped your accuracy significantly. As did bullets landing nearby (so "strafing" fire actually WORKS), being far from your unit/leader, jumping, moving, falling, being hurt, etc.

      Between that and the "dead means dead" in a given round, I liked that game a lot more than the "spawn and kamikaze" style play I see in a lot of multiplayer FPSes.

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    13. Re:What am I not seeing? by sYkSh0n3 · · Score: 1

      That's one of the things i liked about Black. They stripped out all the puzzle solving, ladder climbing, jumping, button pushing, crap and left it as a true and pure FPS just as god intended. You wanna go through a door, break out the shotgun and shoot that sucker down. I loved that. Tho as a general rule I'm not a big FPS fan.

    14. Re:What am I not seeing? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      German Rating Boards typically have a very strong sense that sex is as inappropriate for entertainment, as Americans Rating Boards typically have a very strong sense that sex is inappropriate for entertainment.

      A good example is that while the US and Germany both agree that the movie "Payback" staring Mel Gibson should receive the highest restriction of a rating, (R here in the USA, and "ab 16" (age 16 and up) in Germany) they disagree about what the movie Hitch should be.

      While the MPAA rated Hitch in the US as: "Rated PG-13 for language and some strong sexual references." Germany's equivalent rating board rated it "ab 6" (age 6 and up), effectively giving it the equivalent of a "G" rating.

      Watching the movie Paycheck in Germany, I noticed that the censors pulled out all of the violence, anything showing a person getting hurt was editted out, while in the USA, I've seen quite a bit of gore in, for instance, TNT's showings of "Die Hard".

      The issue at hand is the graphic violence.

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    15. Re:What am I not seeing? by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      It's a first person shooter, featuring Nazis against Scientologists. I'm not sure who the protagonists are. It's kind of like the anti-Alien-versus-Predator. Whoever loses, we win.

    16. Re:What am I not seeing? by penguinstorm · · Score: 1

      In a nutshell, the display of Nazi imagery is a crime in Germany. (This is a gross oversimplification.)

      Welcome to the free world.

      I believe Wolfenstein was banned as well..the Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenstein_3D article provides some details about the law.

      Take it with the usual Wikipedia grain of salt.

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    17. Re:What am I not seeing? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't be jumping around under fire with a gun, anyway. You're just too used to low-grav physics in games, where you get 2 full seconds of air time a la Master Chief; I'm happy with no jumping in a game that's supposed to be more realistic (at least in some ways).


      And getting rid of jumping as a means to locomotion gets rid of one of the most annoying things about a FPS - jumping puzzles! Seriously... who likes jumping puzzles? Or who designs buildings and worlds where the primary way to get around is jumping from floors spaced just-a-bit-under-the-maximum-the-guy-can-jump?

      We can blame poor controls and such, but jumping puzzles aren't fun. Adding poor controls that make it impossible to control the landing (such that you always fall off), doesn't help when you have to backtrack all the way to the beginning.
    18. Re:What am I not seeing? by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      the moral majority tend to get all het-up over the regular kind, and tend to ignore demon and zombie slaying as inexcusably geeky

      I don't mean to sound like a jackass, but are you from/do you live in Germany? If not, remember that various countries have different ideas of "acceptable" media.

    19. Re:What am I not seeing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! that's the first time you can be an hero even fighting for the Nazi.
      For those not aware of what Scientology really is, take a look here

    20. Re:What am I not seeing? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I hate jumping in shooters. If the game allows you to jump, it needs to limit the height to about 18 inches, and make it impossible to shoot while jumping.

      You know, I spend most of my free time on the computer and eating snacks, and am exactly as overweight and out of shape as you'd expect from that, and I don't have any trouble jumping 18 inches straight up; so why the heck couldn't a presumably physically fit super macho main character top that ?

      If you can't jump over 18 inches straight up, then go see a doctor. Seriously. It's not even half a meter, for fuck's sake.

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    21. Re:What am I not seeing? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      16 is not the highest rating, 18 is (barring indexing or banning). Also some things are released in a censored version rated 16 and an uncut one rated 18.

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    22. Re:What am I not seeing? by johndiii · · Score: 1

      I think that you meant "German Rating Boards typically have a very strong sense that violence is as inappropriate for entertainment..." At least, that is the thesis that the rest of the post supports. :-)

      Leaving the value judgments about each approach aside, I would say that any time that, say, a six-year-old sees a movie that is targeted at an adult audience, the parents ought to follow up with some discussion of what they saw in the movie.

      One question: Are the Germans also sensitive about violence in which people do not get hurt, like cartoons or The A-Team?

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    23. Re:What am I not seeing? by the_fat_kid · · Score: 1

      now, take your pasty ass out side and strap on the body armor, put on the helmet, and pick up that machine gun.
      feeling good? great. Now, jump as high in the air as you can.
      Get very far? I didn't think so.
      Now, try shooting something while you do it....

      Half a meter, half a meter, Kobe Bryant you are not.
      shut yer pie hole.

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    24. Re:What am I not seeing? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Allow the shooting, but make it completely inaccurate, just as it should be.

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    25. Re:What am I not seeing? by Raenex · · Score: 1

      In a nutshell, the display of Nazi imagery is a crime in Germany. Obligatory Family Guy:

      http://www.metacafe.com/watch/200032/family_guy_in_germany/
    26. Re:What am I not seeing? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      I think that that's probably in breech of EU rules on the free movement of goods. They can't stop someone buying it from the UK or France etc., then taking it home to Germany.

      Interesting - but I suspect that will be trumped if the thing in question is prohibited in the country. Here in the UK we have strict censorship laws (Manhunt 2 was banned, for example), and I believe people can be charged for importing adult material that is legal in other countries, but the censors disapprove of. I hope you are right though, it would be nice for the EU to clamp down on this nonsense.

    27. Re:What am I not seeing? by Qil'elPhil · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with living in a free world. It's just that we germans are (unterstandably) a little bit touchy about certain symbols of our past.

      Which means that there are a small number of symbols that you are not allowed to display without the occasion being in a critical or scientific way but in a setting that might be used to glorify the symbols and the system they stood for. Among these are the swastika, the SS-Runes and the old german war-flag.

      Americans have these kinds of forbidden symbols too. They are taboo and displaying them will result in social and/or penal sanctions. I am thinking of the N*-word to describe people of color, a burning American flag, the confederate flag and others. Using these Symbols in the wrong context will get you in any number of troubles in America, free speech or not.

      When it comes to violence in games there are another number of rules which I find quite strict sometimes, but must admit that the idea behind them is rather sound.

      - You may not make graphic depictions of violence against humans (hence the 'red blood thing') available to minors unter the age of 18. If they are too graphic, you may not even advertise them in a way that may make minors aware of the game and their content.

      I know it won't work like this with kid's being kid's and nosey and all, but you can't fault us for trying to minimise their exposure to violence before they are old enough to be be deemed able to handle this kind of exposure.

      While there are some restrictions on displaying images of sexual content to children, they are by far not as prudish or paranoid as some of the rules and decisions I've heard from the Land of the Free lately.

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    28. Re:What am I not seeing? by VJ42 · · Score: 1

      I'm in the UK as well, Had Manhunt 2 was refused a rating by the BBFC, not banned; that made it illegal to sell it in the UK, but not illegal to own.
        Porn is treated differently and, intrestingly, had Manhunt 2 been porographic instead of violent it would probably recieved an R 18 Cert. AFAIK only snuff films are banned entirely (illegal to own; public decency laws mean quite a lot isn't for sale), although I think that there's a bill banning violent porn on it's way through parliment due to the family of a dead woman blaiming her death on it. I'm at work, so I'm not going to google for links...

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    29. Re:What am I not seeing? by orcrist · · Score: 1

      Americans have these kinds of forbidden symbols too. They are taboo and displaying them will result in social and/or penal sanctions. I am thinking of the N*-word to describe people of color, a burning American flag, the confederate flag and others. Using these Symbols in the wrong context will get you in any number of troubles in America, free speech or not.

      Weeeell.... no. There is a huge difference. None of those things you mention is forbidden. The burning of the American flag is an interesting one because the conservatives keep trying to get a constitutional amendment passed so that they *can* forbid it. There have been several attempts using regular laws to forbid burning the flag, but each such law has been struck down by the courts. As for the American prudery... there are, to be sure, many stupid regulations which can lead to fines by e.g. the FCC (our broadcasting authority); I think those are bullshit, and I don't see how they can be constitutional either, but then, at least those regulations only apply to broadcasting using public airwaves. Nude images themselves cannot be forbidden. The N-word is not forbidden. Burning the flag is not forbidden (though I've always thought it a stupid form of protest; If I'm mad about government policies, I'll burn a picture of e.g. the President).

      The only thing which is forbidden in the U.S. in the same way Nazi stuff is in Germany is child Pornography, which is of course also forbidden in Germany as well. And, BTW, there is also no equivalent in the States to 'Beamtenbeleidigung' which means you can get a ticket for *insulting* a policeman. Yes, that's right: it is *illegal* to insult a policeman (or in fact any 'public officer') in Germany.

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    30. Re:What am I not seeing? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      AFAIK only snuff films are banned entirely (illegal to own; public decency laws mean quite a lot isn't for sale),

      Well snuff films probably don't exist ;) I'm not aware of any laws against owning one, but since there's never been a case AFAIK, it's never been tested in court.

      although I think that there's a bill banning violent porn on it's way through parliment due to the family of a dead woman blaiming her death on it. I'm at work, so I'm not going to google for links...

      Indeed there is, it's a great concern of mine (in that it covers images of acts between consenting adults, and even fictional images - of course I wouldn't be bothered about a law for actual non-consensual violence; though much like snuff films, their existence appears to be an urban legend anyway). (Slashdot covered it at http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/05/199233 , more info at http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/ ). It gets debated in Parliament this coming Monday.

    31. Re:What am I not seeing? by PastaLover · · Score: 1

      Actually I think you're wrong (but don't shoot me if I am). I believe free movement of goods only applies to those measures that puts unfair (protectionist) levies on importing legal goods. You can't make all french coffee spoons illegal because coffee spoons in general are not illegal of course, but you can ban coffee spoons altogether as a national health issue or something. (people choking on coffee spoons?)

      Anyway, strange analogies aside, think of marijuana. It's legal in the netherlands (that is to say, you can't get arrested for carrying it, don't know if it's fully legalised), it's very illegal in many of the neighbouring countries.

  2. Loss could be neglgible by Bieeanda · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So you've get to avoid the effort (and cost) of making up new textures, possibly changing the geometry in places, localizing in German, and just as possibly avoid having to alter whatever there is in the way of storyline. The casual German gamer gets shafted, but the rest probably do a bit of illicit footwork, heading out into other EU countries to get copies there. The publisher still makes some sales, avoids shelling out for otherwise unnecessary work, and German retailers get pissed off at the government for making them lose out on sales. Sounds like a financially responsible plan to me, on the part of the publisher and developer.

    1. Re:Loss could be neglgible by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      It's not illicit footwork and there's no law preventing a store from getting copies from another region. Until the game gets an actual ban (that takes a lot more than just a refused rating) it can be sold normally in stores. This sounds more like Sony and Microsoft don't want an unrated game on their system, just as they don't let AO-rated games be released in the US. The console manufacturer CANNOT prevent imports from other EU countries, EU law is very clear about it.

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    2. Re:Loss could be neglgible by Bieeanda · · Score: 1

      Thank you for correcting me on that. EU trade laws are one of the many unfortunate holes in my knowledge.

  3. Keep in mind this isn't regular banning by KDR_11k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Refusing a rating is the USK-equivalent of an AO rating, it's probably the console manufacturer deciding they don't want that "rating" on their system which is why the PC version is unaffected.

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    1. Re:Keep in mind this isn't regular banning by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      However, I don't think that Germany has their own version of the 360 or PS3. So if the game is going to be released in Spain, France, UK, or any other country, then people from Germany could pick it up from a country that is selling it, and play that version.

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  4. Flawed Logic by paleo2002 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Game Publisher: This is a sophisticated game with mature content intended for an older audience. We're not marketing this game to children.

    Ratings Boards: Games are only played by children. This game has sophisticated, mature content that is inappropriate for children. We ban this game and swear vendetta against your families.

    Game Publisher: What if we make the "blood" green . . .?

    1. Re:Flawed Logic by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      I have sulfhemoglobin you insensitive clod!

  5. You hvave an inaccuracy there by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

    Ratings Board: You're right, this game isn't for children. Consequently you aren't allowed to sell it to them.

    Console Manufacturer: Releasing an adults-only game on our platform is against our family-friendly policies!

    Yes, Sony actually refused to sell God of War at first because it got the same rating, citing their "family friendly" policies.

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  6. visible blood by Speare · · Score: 1

    If I recall, Germany has (or used to have) specific rules about the depiction of blood. You can release a game which kills thousands without remorse, but you can't release a game that has one guy who loses a finger in a bloody mess.

    I had heard rumors that there were some arcade games which had a "blood" switch for this reason, as well as general public appetites. I haven't seen any concrete examples of this, though.

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  7. SAVE_US.222 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FROM_GERMANY

  8. Thank you! by koinu · · Score: 1

    Changing games is vandalism. Don't treat adults like children. Greetings from Germany!

  9. german law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, I find it a rather bold step to take. Politicians in germany have been lobbying for a ban on 'violence' in games for quite some time now.to date, publishers have 2 possibilities here, censor the content(what most do) or don't publish(localy).
    In the future it may be made illegal to 'produce/publish/sell 'violent games entirely, (games made by adults for adults -> illegal!)
    so to try and say 'not with us'(because games are are, or should be considered, a form of art) I regard as a step in the right direction.

    1. Re:german law by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      It's questionable whether they could get such a law past the courts since it's effectively censorship which is still unconstitutional. The exception for the protection of minors does not cover preventing sale to adults and I doubt they could present a regular violent videogame (i.e. one that's within current laws) as a serious threat to society. Since there is no real distinction between media when it comes to that it would be a carte blanche to prevent any mention of violence in the media, enough to run a new holocaust and prevent anyone from talking about it.

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  10. This is NO censorship by wzzzzrd · · Score: 1

    It just means: the game must not be sold and advertised to minors. You can buy it, you can play it if you're an adult. At least the PC version. Some console manufactures have their own policies that forbid selling non rated titles, but this is not law it's just their policy.

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    1. Re:This is NO censorship by tepples · · Score: 1

      Some console manufactures have their own policies that forbid selling non rated titles, but this is not law it's just their policy. "Some"? Try "All". How does one escape the console cartel while still allowing four USB gamepads to work on a single PC plugged into a single TV?
  11. Excusably crippled? by tepples · · Score: 1

    And FPS with no jumping makes mee feel inexcusably crippled Just be glad you aren't playing as this guy. Would that be "excusably crippled"?
    1. Re:Excusably crippled? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      You should have used a picture of Harman Smith from Killer7 there :P.

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  12. GTA 4 and Jericho by shlepp · · Score: 0

    From what i know GTA 4 has an adult only rating... and it is coming to the 360 and theres no stopping it, Jericho will be out on the 360, and will be the way it was intended to be and you can bet on it, otherwise M$ would be removing the video (which itself is pretty freakin gory) and any gamer pics/themes along with it, which they havent done so that means its still coming.

  13. Eurotrip. by WK2 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Most people in America don't understand this. There is no reason for a game maker to bend over for European countries. Europe is the size of a large shopping mall. If one country bans something, or has objectionable laws, all the gamers have to do is walk, or swim, to the other end.

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    1. Re:Eurotrip. by Peeteriz · · Score: 1

      Well, EU has both more people and a larger economy than the USA. Germany alone is just a portion of it though, but your post does feel like flamebait.

    2. Re:Eurotrip. by FlyveHest · · Score: 1

      Actually I think he meant that its easier for us europeans to purchase the game in a different country, with different laws (and, that we are much more used to doing just that), not that Europe is not a market worth selling to.

      At least, thats how I read it.

    3. Re:Eurotrip. by bentcd · · Score: 1

      I think the point is that if you live in the US and some stupid federal law bans something you'd like to get, you're basically screwed unless you live near the Mexican or Canadian border (and most people don't). In Europe, however, physical distances are comparatively small and so if your own so-anti-fascist-that-it-borders-on-fascism government decides to ban something, it's a couple of hours on the train at most to get to a more free-thinking nation where you /can/ get the contraband.

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    4. Re:Eurotrip. by oliderid · · Score: 2, Funny
      Europe is the size of a large shopping mall

      You should be hired as foreign markets consultant. You have the subtlety and skills to make big money.

    5. Re:Eurotrip. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll bet they definitely have the best reading comprehension scores!

    6. Re:Eurotrip. by orcrist · · Score: 1

      Most people in America don't understand this. There is no reason for a game maker to bend over for European countries. Europe is the size of a large shopping mall. If one country bans something, or has objectionable laws, all the gamers have to do is walk, or swim, to the other end.

      It's hilarious how quickly that "Who you talkin about?" reaction gets triggered in Europeans anytime an American says anything that *might* be negative about Europe :-P

      To the Europeans: slow down and read what he actually wrote! Carefully. He's only saying: for Europeans the average distance to the next country is much smaller than most Americans can imagine.

      Okay?

      Europeans have the same difficulty imagining how big the U.S. is. Just an example: California, the 3rd largest state has a land area 10% larger than Germany.
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