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Coppola Loses All His Data

Colin Smith writes in with an object lesson in backup methodology — once you have backed everything up, take it somewhere else. "Film director Francis Ford Coppola has appealed for the return of his computer backup device following a robbery at his house in Argentina on Wednesday. He told Argentine broadcaster Todo Noticias he had lost 15 years' worth of data, including writing and photographs of his family."

266 comments

  1. don't worry, check emule by randuev · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't worry, mate, It will be backed up very solid quite soon :) You will never lose it again. It will be as safe as it could be. (Unless you'll decide to purchase it and keep it private, of course)

  2. So does this mean ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He ain't got Jack?

  3. Honestly by chuckymonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why is this news? Someone somewhere didn't back up their data and the hdd was stolen. Happens a lot people, next thing you know we're going to be hearing about how Paris Hilton bought an iPhone and an iGasm.

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    1. Re:Honestly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You're missing the point. Someone DID back up their data, but didn't keep it in a separate place from the original and it all got stolen at the same time. No big news, to be sure, but it's a useful cautionary tale.

    2. Re:Honestly by mbone · · Score: 1

      I think it's worse than that. This was in Argentina, right ? I do not think that he is a permanent resident of Argentia. He is shooting a movie there.

      So, if he really lost years worth of data, he has some sort of backup device that he carries around with him as he travels.

      Given the issues with international travel and shipment of goods (unless this device goes handcuffed to an aid like the nuclear football) I frankly am astounded that it didn't occur to him that he needed offsite backups, or that it took so long to suffer a serious loss.

    3. Re:Honestly by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      No, someone who's computer and backup disks were stolen, as they were stored in the same place.

    4. Re:Honestly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this news? Someone somewhere didn't back up their data and the hdd was stolen. Happens a lot people, next thing you know we're going to be hearing about how Paris Hilton bought an iPhone and an iGasm.

      I think someone did back up her amateur porn videos...

    5. Re:Honestly by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      It's news because he had a 15 year old laptop. (Or he destroyed 15 years of material when he purchased his laptop.)

    6. Re:Honestly by jagdish · · Score: 1

      This post... useless without pics.

    7. Re:Honestly by darth+dickinson · · Score: 1

      Ah, but the difference is *this* person is/was famous, and that means we need to obsess about the minutiae of their everyday life.

  4. Godfather by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The backup device was taken and in its place was a severed horse's head....

    1. Re:Godfather by ectotherm · · Score: 1

      Coppola's data sleeps with the fishes...

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      "Nature bats last..."
    2. Re:Godfather by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      Data Backup: an offer you can't refuse.

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  5. tags: it's not a backup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I didn't RTFA, but it's not a "backup". If you lose the backup, you have the original. If you lose the original, you have the backup.

    If he's lost the backup, he should still have his original data set.

  6. More than one physical location by Frans+Faase · · Score: 2, Informative

    Another person who learn the hard way that making backups is not enough, but that you have to store the backups in more than one physical location. I wonder if the thieves will even hear his request, let alone consider to listen to it. Nowadays you can get a 2.5 inch 80 Gbyte harddisk for less than 100 USD. You can easily store this at a location that won't be found by thieves looking for computers. Thieves almost never search children bedrooms or kitchens for these kind of items.

    1. Re:More than one physical location by gregbaker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This still doesn't help in the event of catastrophe: fire, flood, etc. The backup has to go off-site. Some suggestions: parents' house, the office, a friend's.

      I keep an up-to-date backup in my office, and drop a DVD or two in a drawer at my parents' every year or so.

    2. Re:More than one physical location by ExploHD · · Score: 1

      Thieves almost never search children bedrooms or kitchens for these kind of items.

      Those are good places but there are the pitfalls. There are crumbs, oils, soaps and water in the kitchen. In the kids bedroom, I would be horrified if my child showed me how strong his magnets are with the HDD.

    3. Re:More than one physical location by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      The backup has to go off-site

      Yes, every place I have worked this has been standard operating procedure. People like Coppola should be getting advice on that from the people who do their IT. I suspect those IT people spend most of their time advising on what virus scanner to use and how to cut down on spam.

      I make a backup to take to work from my home system once a month. My wife doesn't like it. She is afraid of people accessing her stuff, and less worried about the house burning down or the server being stolen. Encyryption doesn't impress her and she is probably right. Its just DRM: the key is stored with the cyphertext or close enough, anyway.

    4. Re:More than one physical location by arth1 · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is that it appears he brought the backups with him from the his primary residence in the US to his tax^Wsecondary residence in Argentina.

    5. Re:More than one physical location by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      WRONG! Theives take everything!

      They know people hide money in childeren's rooms, in toys, under beds, etc. They'll completely trash your room and your children's rooms stealing their toys and everything else they can find.

    6. Re:More than one physical location by foobsr · · Score: 1

      People like Coppola should be getting advice

      Likely a person who knows everything better, can handle everything better and heavily engages in micromanagement — just my bias.

      CC.

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    7. Re:More than one physical location by BorgDrone · · Score: 1

      The backup has to go off-site. Some suggestions: parents' house, the office, a friend's.

      That would usually still be in the same city or state, what if the entire city floods (new orleans anyone?) or an entire province like in my country in '53.

      For additional paranoia-proof protection the offsite backup needs to be on the opposite side of the planet. If you got family really far away, send them a flashdrive once in a while.
    8. Re:More than one physical location by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I make video DVDs for friends sometimes. Usually there's a few hundred MB free space, so I stash a backup set -- my email, and other documents mostly -- in a data folder, ignored by players (though of course visible on a PC). I use encrypted RAR archives, their encryption is quite strong and uncracked as far as I know. Also of course on my own DVDs, the latter most likely useful in case of computer failure.

    9. Re:More than one physical location by Lennie · · Score: 1

      If you want it to be safe, you should probably take it to them personally or similair.

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    10. Re:More than one physical location by the_doctor_23 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I use encrypted RAR archives, their encryption is quite strong and uncracked as far as I know. RAR uses AES-128 in recent (V3.0+) versions, so it is quite strong indeed if the password is complex enough.
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    11. Re:More than one physical location by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 2, Funny
      and drop a DVD or two in a drawer at my parents' every year or so.

      Considering what my Mom did with all my porn the last time it was under her control... no.

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      They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
    12. Re:More than one physical location by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      If you use Truecrypt or similar to encrypt the data, then you are quite safe. The key isn't stored anywhere. At least that's my understanding. Use a strong passphrase, and there is probably no way anybody will break the encryption in your lifetime, or even the planet's lifetime.

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    13. Re:More than one physical location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Online backup. Brilliant.

    14. Re:More than one physical location by quantic_oscillation7 · · Score: 0

      lollllllllll...... know they will....at least if they read /.

    15. Re:More than one physical location by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      The backup has to go off-site. Some suggestions: parents' house, the office, a friend's. Or his nephew's.

      - RG>
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    16. Re:More than one physical location by CODiNE · · Score: 4, Funny

      in a drawer at my parents'
      Upstairs isn't usually considered an "offsite" backup.

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    17. Re:More than one physical location by BorgDrone · · Score: 1

      If you want it to be safe, you should probably take it to them personally or similair.

      You could ask them to send you the MD5 hash of the drive once it arrives.
    18. Re:More than one physical location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually Bruce Schneier had a fairly interesting blog several months ago about the surprising places burglers will look. They're looking for something of primary interest, like money, so they look for that first in the most likely places. But then if they have time they look for "bonus" goodies like drugs (whether to use or to sell, it doesn't matter), in places like bathroom cabinets and toilet tanks, and I would think kitchens too. Based on this principle, if the kids' rooms look like they might have drugs in them (teenagers' rooms with rock band posters), I bet the thieves will search them too.

    19. Re:More than one physical location by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      I'd go as far to say "Backup is a Process, not a copy".

      Doing "backups" or "disaster recovery" is stupid until you have done an honest risk-assessment of what is more likely to happen to you, what the impact is when it happens, and recovery time or reconstruction of data.

      (rant about PHBs deleted)

      For an individual at home, the "release of data" from thieves is probably pretty small risk. (Face it, the guys breaking into houses are tweakers looking for quick cash usually, and nobody that is in the chain behind them cares about the data either.)

      Fire, flood, and hard drive or OS mistakes are not all dealt with by doing the same things. Sure, a stack of DVDs in a safe-deposit box fixes most of them, but often a regular user can get by with mirroring the hard drive to a separate drive once in a while.

      Making backups without asking "what hurts me most?" and "what could happen?" first is just a waste of time.

    20. Re:More than one physical location by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      This still doesn't help in the event of catastrophe: fire, flood, etc. The backup has to go off-site. Some suggestions: parents' house, the office, a friend's.

      I keep an up-to-date backup in my office, and drop a DVD or two in a drawer at my parents' every year or so. But one good atomic blast will still destroy all those backups! (not from emp but the flaming melty firestorm part.) Then again, if you survive, porn would be the least of your priorities.

      It's funny when talking about catastrophic backups, some of the things that do happen seem too far-fetched. There was a joke about a company that kept its offsite backups in the other tower at the WTC. "Well shit, if something happens to one of these buildings, the other should still be safe!" Yeah, right. Who the hell would think that a frickin' jet would crash into the thing? I was amazed at how quickly those companies got their data back up and running. I guess their security policy is "Something could happen to New York. Let's put our backups some place far, far away."
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    21. Re:More than one physical location by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Yes, jafiwam, "backup is process".

      I make a couple of copies every time I spend a significant amount of time on a project. One goes to a hard drive on an inexpensive SAN device I cobbled together, and one goes to a flash drive (which are about 5 bucks per gig around here) and I'll even send one to myself via gmail.

      I have found that backup programs that work incrementally aren't as useful to me as simply keeping a few extra copies. Although I'm nowhere in his league, I imagine my work product is in the same form as Coppola's: word processing documents of various types, and image files.

      I know there are better technological approaches to backing up, but one gets into a certain habit. I've had a laptop stolen and one fire which destroyed a desktop. I was OK when it was over for the most part. I know this sounds crazy, but I also try to keep the attitude that I'll continue to have good ideas so even if I lose something, something else will follow. I try not to get too attached to my ideas in the sense of property, since I've had work stolen, but not physically, if you get my meaning. It has changed the way I look at intellectual property to the point that I don't really believe in copyrights, patents, etc., except to the point that the creator owns his work. I don't believe any IP should be transferrable to other owners.

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    22. Re:More than one physical location by Shulai · · Score: 1

      Trust me, he is here because of nice yet cheaper location for his movie.
      Taxes here are expensive (if you are able to sum them all, from VAT to income tax to cheque tax to exporting tax (yes, we don't protect agriculture here, discourage it!), and mostly stolen by politics and the people they serve to keep themselves in charge.

      So, unless Coppola got some ties with people in charge, or cared about avoiding taxes, he is paying a lot more of taxes, at least for the services the state provides, yet the total of his expenses are lesser because of exchange rate.

      But, there is no tax paradise here.

    23. Re:More than one physical location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why safe deposit boxes are useful: a secure off-site location, often with good fire-suppression equipment. Keep three copies: your active copy, and two backups. One backup stays near the "live" copy, and is used for active backups. Periodically, the on-site backup is taken to the safe deposit box and swapped with the off-site backup.

      It's also worth noting that there are companies who will handle secure off-site backup storage and rotation delivery for you.

    24. Re:More than one physical location by shmlco · · Score: 1

      If you're a major multinational then you use Iron Mountain or some other equivalent service. Not really an option for most people.

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    25. Re:More than one physical location by husker_man · · Score: 1

      I would add to this three things.
      1. Determine how long you can afford to be without your system. If you can't be without your system for a reasonable period of time, you need to backup both your applications and data. If you can live without the system for a week or so, just back up the data and restore the applications from the original application source. In other words, make sure you have the data, and once you've got the OS and applications on there again, restore the data. This overall process is called Business Impact Assessment at my company.
      2. Make more than one copy of your data. You may have a great backup somewhere, but if that backup of your data is corrupt, you're hosed again. Don't rely on only one physical piece of media to back up your information.
      3. Offsite storage of your backups is critical. If it's in your home and your home burns down, you've lost all of your data as well.

    26. Re:More than one physical location by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      Three words: Safety Deposit Box

      Bank vaults are designed to be pretty robust. Swap a couple of 2.5" USB drives in and out every month or so. The cost of a small-size box isn't THAT much. (I think we're paying $45/year for a medium-size box).

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    27. Re:More than one physical location by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but in a nuclear war, the whole planet might go! We really need to establish a backup repository on another planet.

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    28. Re:More than one physical location by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      But one good atomic blast will still destroy all those backups! (not from emp but the flaming melty firestorm part.) Then again, if you survive, porn would be the least of your priorities.


      I evaluated that possibility when designing my backup system. A Hiroshima-style bomb, which is what an amateur is likely to have, won't destroy both my apartment and the office. A professional will be targeting the airforce base ten miles out of town instead.
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    29. Re:More than one physical location by Lennie · · Score: 1

      Who said some1 didn't make a copy ?

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    30. Re:More than one physical location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks! I will now!

  7. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why having *multiple* backups is a good thing.

    1. Re:Don't put all your eggs in one basket. by Jorophose · · Score: 0

      Behold, the fool saith, "Put not all thine eggs in the one basket" - which is but a manner of saying, "Scatter your money and your attention"; but the wise man saith, "Put all your eggs in the one basket and - WATCH THAT BASKET."

      Tried and true. You might think that having one safe is a risk, but I can carry one safe out of a burning house. Can't do that when I've got a copy in Ottawa, one in New York, and another in Zurich.

  8. Re:tags: it's not a backup by Vampyre_Dark · · Score: 1

    Unless he was yet to copy it to a new device? He may have trashed his old HD, and bought a new one with the intent to restore the backup contents onto it. Then again, he's an old codger. His 'backup device' may be an old pickup truck, because he only drives in reverse at his age. The data was in the glove compartment.

  9. Haiku by fmarkham · · Score: 2, Funny

    Three things are certain:
    Death, taxes, and lost data.
    Guess which has occurred.

    1. Re:Haiku by Threni · · Score: 1

      Four things, actually - bad journalism, especially on Slashdot.

      He's not lost all his data - he's lost a copy of all his data. It's like EMI claiming that they've lost all their recordings because someone managed to download them all from their computers.

    2. Re:Haiku by Nilych · · Score: 1

      When I was in college, my physics professor had a program that rewrote any BSOD error messages into haiku form. That was one of them. Thanks for bringing back those memories.

  10. Theft prevention ideas? by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

    Anyone have any theft prevention ideas? If someone lives in a high crime area, is there anything that can be done to prevent the easy theft of just picking up and taking a desktop computer?

    1. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by chuckymonkey · · Score: 1

      Bolt it to the floor and lock the case panels?

      --
      "Some books contain the machinery required to create and sustain universes."-Tycho
    2. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Put a Vista sticker on it.

    3. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      That isn't an option for those living in rented areas.

    4. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by chuckymonkey · · Score: 1

      You can bolt or chain it to the wall as long as you fill in the holes before you move out. Just make sure that the anchors whatever flavor they may be are sunk into wall studs or they're trivial to rip out.

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    5. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      Still, what if that isn't a feasible option?

      Would chaining/locking it to a desk work?

    6. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by chuckymonkey · · Score: 1

      That's a really good idea, that makes it very cumbersome to move around unless you have the keys to remove said locks.

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      "Some books contain the machinery required to create and sustain universes."-Tycho
    7. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by Pax00 · · Score: 2, Funny

      tesla coils and an rfid system to deactive them for friendly people

    8. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      I didn't know they made laptop locks with alarms built onto them. Since my desktop has a metal thing with hole where the case slides, this means if I stick something in it, it would be very difficult to steal. So I could just lock it to my computer desk. It isn't so much about backing up my data, which I do, but preventing data from being stolen.

    9. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Know Canada's army? That's right. You don't. Because they're at my house. Both of them. Protecting my data. Highly recommended. They go well with vodka.

    10. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by Panoptes · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Sticking a 'Windows Vista' label on it should do the trick.

    11. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      So I could just lock it to my computer desk. It isn't so much about backing up my data, which I do, but preventing data from being stolen.

      Would probably deter a random burglar, desktop PCs have a low resale value anyway. They like laptops. But someone after your data will just use a prybar and crack your lock &/or case. Disk encryption is the only workable option.

    12. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      I guess if I wanted to go the extra mile, if I could rig a way to have a dozen or so airhorns go off if someone tries moving my tower, enough said.

    13. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      dozen or so airhorns go off if someone tries moving my tower

      After you, or you kids/dog, etc had accidentally set that off a half dozen times, you might not think it was such a great idea.

    14. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by Pax00 · · Score: 1

      how about this:

      Set up some Tesla coils around the house.

      Have a system based on RFID tags or something similar to disable the coils if the person who possesses the tag comes within range.

    15. Re:Theft prevention ideas? by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      There are other things that will work as deterrents too. More disgusting things, and it is best I not mention it on the board. I don't want to be moderated down.

  11. Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oops. Someone missed the 3rd step in the Tao of Backup : separation

    That list again in full:

    Backup all your data

    Backup frequently

    Take some backups off-site

    Keep some old backups

    Test your backups

    Secure your backups

    Perform integrity checking

    And note that it's not necessary to purchase anything to achieve backup enlightenment.

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    1. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

      I do most of my work on Windows. If you use windows, get SyncToy from MS or SyncBack from 2brightsparks.

      Both tools are free and work pretty well.

      I have a "hidden" PC stashed in a panel behind the entertainment center. I replicate nightly from my desktop to the media center. Weekly, I replicate from the media center to a portable USB drive. On Mondays, the USB drive goes to the office with me and stays there till Friday.

      Backups are not hard. Just set up a good, automatic tool and do occasional checks for integrity.

      I've looked into RSYNC to an off-site server. Places like UnixShell provide virtual root machines for pretty cheap. However, the pain of making RSYNC work in WinXP steers me away. I did a "screencast" for using SyncBack and a portable USB drive for my family. It's so simple that mom can do it.

      The *really* hard part of backups is getting people to organize their data. Mom, keeping everything on the Desktop is not an acceptable solution...

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    2. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by renoX · · Score: 1

      >The *really* hard part of backups is getting people to organize their data. Mom, keeping everything on the Desktop is not an acceptable solution...

      Well, why don't you backup the desktop?

    3. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

      Well, the main problem is that Windows has trouble backing up files in use. If a user is logged-in, a backup of "Documents and Settings" will usually fail.

      At the very least, a Windows user should use the desktop for working files and My Documents for storage.

      If it's a multi-user system, it's better to keep a separate folder for stuff you want to keep.

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    4. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by DangerousDriver · · Score: 1

      Hmm... ntbackup / volume shadow copy service ? > If a user is logged-in, a backup of "Documents and Settings" will usually fail

    5. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by rvw · · Score: 1

      Weekly, I replicate from the media center to a portable USB drive. On Mondays, the USB drive goes to the office with me and stays there till Friday. That still leaves two days of the week that your backup is not offsite. I recommend that you buy a second USB drive. Every Monday you bring a new backup to the office, and every Friday you bring the oldest backup home. That way you have during the week two backups offsite, and during the weekends the most recent. The investment is low, and there is no extra work involved in the backup scheme.
    6. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by Lennie · · Score: 1

      If people really understood these things, they would use documented document formats.

      Not MS Office.

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    7. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      have a "hidden" PC stashed in a panel behind the entertainment center. I replicate nightly from my desktop to the media center.

      Using small backup systems in hard to find spots can help against backup theft. Not many burglars are going to notice the Mac mini/NSLU2/similar small device in the small corner above the cupboard, especially if the device uses 802.11 instead of wired networking (or the cable runs up to the device inside the wall. This approach also makes the power cord easy to hide). Hiding devices entierly inside walls helps, too. Just make sure they don't take in too much dust. Also, small flash drives can be hidden just about everywhere. If you can keep your backup sizes small, a Compact Flash card or 1.8" drive can be used to take a backup with you at all times - or tape it behind a radiator or something.

      If you can't keep burglars from taking your stuff away you can still try to keep them from noticing it in the first place. Doesn't work too well for laptops/desktops, but for data storage it's entirely doable.

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    8. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      You linked to a site about 'Veracity' backup software and say it's not necessary to purchase anything for backups. I figured it would be free, but I click the link there and it redirects to Quantum's site, which doesn't even have Veracity any more.

      I'm just trying to figure out what your point in linking there was... Just because it's cute?

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    9. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by hjf · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, this doesn't work for me. I'm building a 1,5TB array for my porn^Wdata. I need to come up with a system that allows me to separate the data that will not change (mp3s, movies) in smaller volumes and allow me to record to DVD or something, and another for the frequently-changing data (desktop backups).

      I had thought of keeping the movies on DVD and the desktops on a USB drive (I think 4GB ought to be enough for most of my data --that is, not the movies).

    10. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IOW, make your whole life revolve around backups.

    11. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by afabbro · · Score: 1
      I have a "hidden" PC stashed in a panel behind the entertainment center. I replicate nightly from my desktop to the media center. Weekly, I replicate from the media center to a portable USB drive. On Mondays, the USB drive goes to the office with me and stays there till Friday.

      Not everyone has the foresight to schedule their disasters for weekdays, as you do.

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    12. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by AI0867 · · Score: 1
      veracity doesn't seem to be anything more than a little script that walks your filesystem and either appends digests to a file or checks them.

      it can be easily be reimplemented with nothing but a shell and the gnu coreutils.

      rm -f .digests
      touch .digests
      foreach FILE in `ls -a`
      do
        #if it is a dir, recurse into it instead
        md5sum $FILE >> .digests
        sha1sum $FILE >> .digests
      done
      and

      #recursing code here
      do
        md5sum -c .digests
        sha1sum -c .digests
      done
      of course, you can make it far more complicated, but this is the useful part.
    13. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      Desire causes suffering - if you really want to be enlightened you should wait for someone to steal all your possessions.

    14. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by rvw · · Score: 1

      I had thought of keeping the movies on DVD and the desktops on a USB drive (I think 4GB ought to be enough for most of my data --that is, not the movies). Keep in mind that DVD is not a safe backup medium over time. The disks deteriorate over time, but it's impossible to predict if/when this will happen.
    15. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by hjf · · Score: 1

      sure, especially where I live, we often get 45 degrees Celsius in summer. but it's better than nothing... and I don't have the money for a tape backup unit :)

    16. Re:Step 3 in The Tao of Backup by rvw · · Score: 1

      If you create multiple backups on DVD, not destroying the old ones, that is probably safe enough. From time to time you can test whether it still opens.

  12. Backup to slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you post all your data to slashdot then it will be safely archived.
    If you somehow do not get modded offtopic and you'll also be google cached for extra security.

    1. Re:Backup to slashdot by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      True, although one has to wonder how the average Slashdotter's personal information would be modded. If there were any credit card or bank account numbers involved, that would probably generate a +5 Interesting, as would any substantial amount of porn. Any correspondence with, say, the KKK would likely result in +5 Flamebait.

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  13. Safe deposit box by KC1P · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Safe deposit boxes are a really good deal. Mine costs something like $20 per year, and every time I'm going to the bank anyway I just bring an optical disk with all my vital stuff and swap it with the one that's there. Now the trick is not losing the key to the deposit box in the fire/flood/etc. that presumably destroyed all my other backups at home.

    1. Re:Safe deposit box by Fizzl · · Score: 1

      Yup same here. All my data in a deposit box in a bank vault. Costs couple of euros per month. Less than a pint of beer.
      I haven't yet filled my box. I don't regularly deposit my backups as accessing the box requires procedures to which I don't have time every day.
      Anyway, whenever I feel like visiting the box I burn DVD's of all my personal data from my laptops/desktops, and finally one from my server with public data, database and configuration. I just toss this DVD set on top of the pile at the box.
      If I ever run out of space at the box, I think I'll just trash them all, keeping the oldest set and depositing the oldest one to my "precious memories" box.

    2. Re:Safe deposit box by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Don't forgat that DVDs are pretty lousy as long-term storage devices. Unfortunately I don't know of a medium that is known to last longer (and feasible for home use)... Anyone?

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    3. Re:Safe deposit box by Superpants · · Score: 1

      At our bank even if you lose your key, all is not lost, you just let them know and they bring in a locksmith after you sign some kind of waiver and they change the lock for you...for a fee of course.

    4. Re:Safe deposit box by KC1P · · Score: 1

      I use 3.5" magneto-optical disks. For some reason they never caught on. I got into them back when 100 MB Zip drives were all getting the click-of-death problem, since the MO disks are multi-vendor (well I think Fuji has some private formats but I use the smaller sizes) you can shop around and from what people say, the recording method is inherently more reliable than Zips. I don't know how they compare to CDs/DVDs but since the recording is magnetic (the optical part is just for head positioning, I think), I would think it would last much longer than some plastic that was discolored by an LED. The old minicomputer magnetic media sure seem to last forever. But I don't think I have any MO disks over about 8 or 9 years old (everything has been readable so far) so I don't know about long-term.

  14. Please ignore above poster... by msimm · · Score: 1

    For the love of god. When we recommend off-site backups we mean off-site. Thieves are just one issue. Then there are fires, tornadoes, earthquakes and the whole gambit of other natural and man-made disasters. Unfortunately you don't get to choose which one.

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  15. Re:tags: it's not a backup by EvanED · · Score: 1

    I didn't either, but what if BOTH the original and backup are stolen?

  16. Obligatory Penny Arcade link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/08/10

    That said, it's really sad when someone loses data, even if it's their own fault for not making backups.

    1. Re:Obligatory Penny Arcade link by cliffski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      agreed, yet some bastard still tagged it as haha. seriously, what the hell is wrong with some jerks?

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    2. Re:Obligatory Penny Arcade link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read that as Crapola loses all it's Data. Must take my meds.

  17. Personal data? by JackMeyhoff · · Score: 1

    Encrypt and store all software (OS and encryption program) with it so you can recover it as well :) Hell even keep a computer that can run this OS 15 years later too :)

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  18. Make it so it's no big deal.... by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The data is a zillion times more valuable than the PC. Figure out the most painless way to backup the data and hide the backup disk somewhere.

    And... look! We're back on topic!

    I've been thinking of getting one of those hard disks with the network connector on the back. If you combine this with one of those "network across power lines" adapters you could put the hard disk anywhere in the house (attic, basement...) and still access it from your main PC.

    For a "high crime area" this seems ideal.

    PS: Yes, the chances of him getting his data back is zero. It's a pity he had to learn the hard way....

    I go around telling all my friends to back up their data, how important this is, how they could lose 100% their baby/wedding photos in a millisecond, etc. but I know none of them ever do.

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    1. Re:Make it so it's no big deal.... by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      Unless you're renting a place, then it becomes more difficult. Plus, the data is back-up. The problem is preventing the theft of the data. Well, making it incredibly difficult to steal the computer itself.

    2. Re:Make it so it's no big deal.... by Ed+Random · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've been thinking of getting one of those hard disks with the network connector on the back. If you combine this with one of those "network across power lines" adapters you could put the hard disk anywhere in the house (attic, basement...) and still access it from your main PC. This does not protect you from disasters like fire - the data plus backups should not be in the same building. I've got a "garden shed" on my property. Chances are, that it would survive if my house burnt down. Network-over-powerline would be a nice way to get a network connection in there.

      However, that scenario still does not protect against things like lightning strikes... Unless you use decent surge protectors etc.

      Data protection is not for the faint of heart, and unfortunately not for the average user either.

      I've seen good results with Acronis TrueImage, in automatic mode. For "home user" backups, not disaster recovery that is.

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    3. Re:Make it so it's no big deal.... by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      Acronis True Image is a great way to do true clones, to the best of my knowledge. It is a good idea to back-up because one day, the hard drive will fail.

    4. Re:Make it so it's no big deal.... by hjf · · Score: 1

      The news say that Coppola paid USD 900.000 for this property in Buenos Aires(550 square meters, about 5900 sq ft), located in Palermo "Hollywood" (named so because there are many TV producers in the zone). For the parent, Palermo happens to be a relatively safe area. Sure, there are robberies and stuff, but there's many wealthy people living in Palermo so there's a lot of police too.

  19. Hard lesson by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

    I'm just a poor working stiff but I have easily 500+ CD and DVD backups going back 8+ years and some of those have data going going back to old 5 1/4" back ups. These days I also have multiple hard drive back up so there's a lot of redundancy. I'm planning to start a process of regularly archiving hard drives in a bank safety deposit box. With his kind of money hire some one to come in at least once a month to do back ups if you can't be bothered. Better yet set up a home network with the server in a safe. A home level server can be quite small and it'd be easy enough to make it tough for your average thief to get your data. It could also give you some fire protection as well. Also since he has a California home why on earth didn't he have a computer there with duplicate files? Did he have his life on a notebook computer? Blow a couple of hundred and hire a consultant and they'll make recommendations if you really are this clueless about computers. The guy's an editor and knows cameras so it's not like he's completely none tech.

    1. Re:Hard lesson by mbone · · Score: 1

      I hope you have a process to regularly rewrite those CDs and DVDs, otherwise you probably will find you have a nice collection of coasters, should you ever need the data.

    2. Re:Hard lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have easily 500+ CD and DVD backups going back 8+ years

      No you don't. Part of keeping backups is integrity checking. Have you checked those 8 year-old CD-Rs lately? 20 internet dollars says that half that data is unrecoverable.

      CD-Rs degrade with time.

  20. On the plus side... by gowen · · Score: 1

    The thief also took the master copies of "Godfather III" and that appalling schmaltzfest section of "New York Stories". Movie lovers are presently in negotiation for those not to be returned.

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  21. Yes, thieves do by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 1

    In Holland there was a nice program where people could get their house robbed by a formerly professional thief (convicted, sentenced, done his time). It looked fairly realistically done (he didn't loiter, he rushed through the house). Children's bedrooms and kitchens are prime targets, precisely because of your reasoning.

    If you want to store something securely, do an off-site backup.

    1. Re:Yes, thieves do by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      What surprised me (and the homeowners participating in the show) was that the thief would take seemingly worthless stuff from the bedrooms and children's rooms. Toys, stuffed animals, photographs in nice frames, even items of clothing. Thieves will often take things that they think are nice for themselves, their wife or kids, and cheap USB sticks or drives are very much in that category.

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  22. Re:tags: it's not a backup by zahl2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I read it elsewhere: it was armed robbery, and it sounds like they took the originals too.

  23. One should have at least THREE copies of data by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One should always have at least the bare minimum of three copies of their data whenever possible with at least one of the copies *always* located off-site ...

    1. The HD in the computer

    2. Backup device #1 that's intended for the next backup stored locally or off-site

    3. Backup device #2 that's intended for the backup *after the next one* stored off-site

    If one only has two copies, which is common, the problem is if the backup fails for whatever reason, then one can suddenly end up with messed up data on their HD *and* on the backup device too ... in essance leaving *no* valid backup at all.

    The key to avoiding that problem is doing backups in rotation where at least one copy (ideally even more than one) is always off-site during the actual backup operation ... this shuld be obvious to folks in IT ... yet often this basic precaution is neglected, especially by laypeople, due to ignorance, economy, laziness, etc.

    Ron

  24. IT is cool in Hollywood by robbiedo · · Score: 1

    All over Hollywood, all the players are now rapidly adding IT guru to their Rolodex. IT geeks will be hotter than personal trainers, personal chefs, and handbag doggies.Backing up and securing your data will be the next trendy thing. Gucci diamond encrusted USB keychain drives will become the newest fashion statement.

  25. Thanks for the handy mnemonic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That list again in full:

    Backup all your data

    Backup frequently

    Take some backups off-site

    Keep some old backups

    Test your backups

    Secure your backups

    Perform integrity checking

    Otherwise known as the easy-to-remember "BBTKTSP" list...

    1. Re:Thanks for the handy mnemonic... by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. Better might be :

      backup All your data ; backup Frequently ; take some backups Off-site ; Keep some old backups ; Test your backups ; Secure your backups ; perform Integrity checking

      I'm struggling to make AFOKTSI memorable. A-fockt-si? Sounds east-European for something I'd rather not hear more about.

      HAND. HIBT?

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  26. So he got busted? by The+Amazing+Fish+Boy · · Score: 3, Funny

    In Holland there was a nice program where people could get their house robbed by a formerly professional thief (convicted, sentenced, done his time).

    Not very professional.
    1. Re:So he got busted? by Ed+Random · · Score: 1

      Not very professional. You're working under the false assumption that professional == "good at their job" ;-)
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    2. Re:So he got busted? by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 2, Funny

      I work in IT. I know some IT professionals who I'd like to see convicted too.

  27. nothing funny about it by CranberryKing · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't believe this was tagged with haha. Why is it funny when non-techsavvy people lose all their valuable data? It's not funny. It's terrible. As techies, we should be educating & empowering people, not isolating them.

    1. Re:nothing funny about it by Plutonite · · Score: 1

      Well, it's pretty stupid to have 15 years of memories on a single medium of storage (or "thing" since we're being nice to non-techies). Don't put your whole life on a "thing". Things break, and get orange juice spilled over them, and stolen by mafia like the ones you make movies about. EVERYBODY knows that. I have many non-geek friends who have 2 or 3 copies of their photos..etc because they know the world of IT is pretty much in it's infancy, so a world-renown director should really know enough about life not to put so much in one place. I do feel sorry for his loss, but he should probably cheer up because I've already found it here I think:

      www.thepiratebay.org

    2. Re:nothing funny about it by Big+Nothing · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. Sure, he's got tons of money and should be able to buy a really great backup solution for his stuff, but non-techies don't think about these things. So is Coppola losing his personal data funny? No. It's a personal tragedy for him. He's lost the only irreplaceable thing he had. That's not funny, that's sad for him. No matter how much money the guy has, these things cannot be bought for money. In this case he's just like any regular Joe Schmoe who got ripped off.

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    3. Re:nothing funny about it by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      Well, it's pretty stupid to have 15 years of memories on a single medium of storage (or "thing" since we're being nice to non-techies). Don't put your whole life on a "thing". Things break, and get orange juice spilled over them, and stolen by mafia like the ones you make movies about. EVERYBODY knows that. Crap. And here I've been backing all my memories to my brain. Now you're telling me I have to stop drinking orange juice through my nose?!?
    4. Re:nothing funny about it by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Well, it's pretty stupid to have 15 years of memories on a single medium of storage (or "thing" since we're being nice to non-techies). Don't put your whole life on a "thing". Things break, and get orange juice spilled over them, and stolen by mafia like the ones you make movies about. EVERYBODY knows that. I have many non-geek friends who have 2 or 3 copies of their photos..etc because they know the world of IT is pretty much in it's infancy, so a world-renown director should really know enough about life not to put so much in one place.

      RTFS. He didn't put it on a single thing. He had backups. The problem appears to be having backups at the same location, and not having offsite backups.

    5. Re:nothing funny about it by bazorg · · Score: 1

      yeah, we'll get to that as soon as we're done making fun of the poor sod.

    6. Re:nothing funny about it by DannyO152 · · Score: 1

      I don't know about how tech-savvy he is at home, but Coppola was one of the first film directors/producers/studio heads to advocate and use digital editing and cgi. Arguably, it may have been too early. He applied his digital theories to the film "One from the Heart" which was a real box office dud and it essentially cost him the American Zoetrope studio. He may have been attracted to the nascent digital technologies because they seemed to offer the ability to put off choices until editing and assembling, which dovetailed with his mid-70s creative process, i.e., writing the film as it was being shot. (This is what Eleanor Coppola said was taking place on Godfather II and Apocalypse Now in her published diary for the AN shoot.) I think Hollywood now believes that while digital filming allows for some post-principal photography blocking changes, cgi really requires, because of costs and time to produce, a fairly tight adherence to storyboards when practical and digital elements are together.

    7. Re:nothing funny about it by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      I can't believe this was tagged with haha. Why is it funny when non-techsavvy people lose all their valuable data? It's not funny. It's terrible. As techies, we should be educating & empowering people, not isolating them. Don't worry, karma is a nasty bitch. And what will make it really juicy is that those guys really do know better, they were just too lazy to follow their own advice.

      My sister got bitten by the crash bug. She's working on a story and her laptop takes a shit right at the end of a chapter she's writing. Her backup policy is two keychains plus an external HDD, saves to the hard drive while writing, backs up everything to external media at the end of each chapter. I have to say, that should have been sufficient. Guess she needs to start mid-chapter backups.
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    8. Re:nothing funny about it by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      You should be backing up your memories to shiny rainbow-colored videotape.

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  28. He then received a package... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...which was a transistor wrapped up in a newspaper, along with a note that said, "Maxtor sleeps with the fishes".

  29. There is not a good backup solution by LS · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When losing the sole copy of data, everyone always laughs and says you should have backed up. People, shut up please. That is a fair criticism to an IT or development professional, but not to an average computer user. While average users do know that data loss can occur and will often backup important files to a CD or DVD, there is no standard and easy way for users to backup ALL their important data, do it at regular intervals, test it, an distribute it geographically. Much of this process must be automated. Also, either the quality of media needs to go up, or specifically designed backup-grade hard drives and media need to be developed and released, because the current crop of equipment is pretty unreliable.

    Are people expected to keep a second car around if their main one fails? Are people expected to perform regular scheduled maintenance on their cars themselves? No, because it is too complex and troublesome for the average users.

    I've reviewed several backup applications and services, and none of them would pass the "mom" easy of use test. I believe there is a potential market for a robust comprehensive backup system...

    LS

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    1. Re:There is not a good backup solution by ditoa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the user knows how to check their email then they should be able to master an application such as Mozy from http://mozy.com/. If they still can't get their head around such a simple app as Mozy they should do like they do with their car maintenance and out source it to a local IT company/person.

    2. Re:There is not a good backup solution by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      there is no standard and easy way for users to backup ALL their important data

      TFA says Coppolla lost a "backup device" (portable hard disk?) as well as all his PCs. So he did probably have an automated backup, but failed to make the relatively (compared to setting up his backup, which he had already done) trivial final step of making a copy of that (in whatever medium) and getting it offsite.

    3. Re:There is not a good backup solution by kklein · · Score: 1

      SyncBack for Windows, ChronoSync for Mac!

      Got my mom using the former. You can automate it. It goes to a NAS in a storage room in another part of the house.

      I'm not too concerned about thieves where they live, though.

      Here at home, it gives me pause. Keeping all my personal data on a drive at the office, however, really doesn't sound prudent to me...

    4. Re:There is not a good backup solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mozy is potentially what you're looking for. Once you tell it what to backup it stays in the background and monitors the filesystem automatically, requiring no effort on the user's part. A free account gives you 2GB of storage.

    5. Re:There is not a good backup solution by Secrity · · Score: 1

      I find it funny. The only reason it wouldn't have been his own fault would be if he had hired somebody to make sure that his important data was properly backed up and archived.

      The guy obviously knew that his data was important to him and likely to be of monetary value, he also has the financial means to get competent IT assistance in setting up a backup strategy.

      There is also the PHYSICAL security aspect -- which was obviously inadequate.

    6. Re:There is not a good backup solution by pacman+on+prozac · · Score: 1

      What are the options for home users to backup tens or hundreds of gigs of data offsite?

      The only reasonably priced one I can see is buying two external hard disks, keep one offsite and fetch it home each time you make a backup.

    7. Re:There is not a good backup solution by crt · · Score: 1
      It's true that setting up backup is too complex for most "moms" - even if the software is easy to use, most don't know what they need to even back up. However, that's where "sons" (or other computer-savvy folks) come in - you know they'll call you when they lose the data. Why not spend 15 minutes setting them up with backup beforehand.
      With easy and cheap options like Mozy or Jungle Disk you can set it up and they don't need to think about it again.

      ..and besides that, how many tech savvy folks, who probably have even more valuable info on their machines, don't bother with offsite backup?

    8. Re:There is not a good backup solution by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1

      What are the options for home users to backup tens or hundreds of gigs of data offsite? The only reasonably priced one I can see is buying two external hard disks, keep one offsite and fetch it home each time you make a backup.
      Maybe you shouldn't be backing up hundreds of gigs of data. The most important thing to back up is stuff you created (photos, essays, programs, whatever). Sure, losing your movie collection sucks but you can download^Wrip^Wbuy it again. Otherwise, use two external hard drives like you said.
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    9. Re:There is not a good backup solution by Eevee · · Score: 1

      This isn't somebody's mom backing up her personal pictures of her cat. This is an experienced CEO-level executive with what is essentially a major company asset (film script) that's been lost due to his failure to perform the due diligence his position requires.

      Are people expected to keep a second car around if their main one fails?

      Bad analogy, as there are many alternative solutions (having a second car, ride from neighbor, taxi, public transportation, rental car, or even going out and buying a new car) that can all function with no previous connection, as it were, to the original car and all of which can be selected after the problem has arisen. Now, if we were talking about a race team, they will have backup cars going into the qualifications. They will have a full selection of replacement parts for during the race. That racing team knows that it is their responsibility to be prepared.

    10. Re:There is not a good backup solution by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      I think its also important to remember to transition data to new mediums if they're backup worthy. For example, when CDs began to replace floppies, I backed up much of my work. But I forgot about a few floppies and a few years later had trouble reading the data. I still have paper copies but its still a heck of a lot of work to recover from since OCR can't pick up all the text - yes, I kept paper copies.

      I also think its important to let others know not to use cheap or no-name brand CDs for backups. Gold layer CDs from Kodak and company are probably the best for archival. But many people buy the $0.02/ per disc CDs or DVDs and backup all their family photos and stuff on it. And its also important to make several backups at the slowest burn speeds. Most of us reading here probably know this, but we should remind others.

      I hardly think this is a funny post. My Coppola probably like others has photos of relatives, children, etc in digital format which are irreplaceable.

    11. Re:There is not a good backup solution by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      Portable hard disk, or tape. What "home user" generates 100s of GB of data? If it's commercial media, you can always buy/torrent a replacement, so it's not irreplaceable like personal photos and video.

    12. Re:There is not a good backup solution by Duwke · · Score: 1

      crashplan. Google it. My very non-techie father even gets it.

    13. Re:There is not a good backup solution by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Are people expected to keep a second car around if their main one fails?"

      This is common in the US. Three vehicles for a two-driver family is affordable and reasonable.

      "Are people expected to perform regular scheduled maintenance on their cars themselves? No, because it is too complex and troublesome for the average users."

      They are _expected_ to bring it in for someone else to perform it. Skip changing the timing belt on some "interference" engines and when it snaps you destroy the top end.

      In other news, people who refuse to learn useful stuff sometimes suffer for it.

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    14. Re:There is not a good backup solution by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Dude, he lost company assets worth thousands, possibly millions, of dollars. (What are movie budgets up to now? Hundreds of millions?) This isn't a "home user," by any stretch of the imagination.

    15. Re:There is not a good backup solution by RudeIota · · Score: 1

      Are people expected to keep a second car around if their main one fails? Are people expected to perform regular scheduled maintenance on their cars themselves? No, because it is too complex and troublesome for the average users.
      This post was so clear, simple to understand and very easy to agree with... He used a car analogy! +mod points, please!
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    16. Re:There is not a good backup solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When losing the sole copy of data, everyone always laughs and says you should have backed up. People, shut up please. That is a fair criticism to an IT or development professional, but not to an average computer user.

      Ignorance of the facts of backup is not an excuse. If you're going to have digital information and rely on it, then it is your responsibility to learn the rules and accept the consequences for failure to do so. If people don't take the time to learn what might happen to their data, they should at least have the dignity not to whine about it when they lose it all.

      Are people expected to keep a second car around if their main one fails? Are people expected to perform regular scheduled maintenance on their cars themselves? No, because it is too complex and troublesome for the average users.

      I hear this line a lot. "Did you expect me to buy a WHOLE SECOND DRIVE to backup my data?" The answer is no. I didn't expect you to do anything. But then, I don't give a rat's ass about your data, either, so what I expect you to do is entirely beside the point. If YOU care about your data, then YOU owe it to YOURSELF to keep it backed up.

    17. Re:There is not a good backup solution by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      >What "home user" generates 100s of GB of data?

      Photographers and musicians do this easily.

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  30. I guess it's 'Apocalypse Now' by deniable · · Score: 1

    He'll receive an offer from The Godfather he can't refuse.

    In reality I expect some moron who doesn't know jack will end up selling it to get high.

  31. Family photos aren't valuable to a thief... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    I don't think theft prevention is the issue for 99.99% of the population.

    I think it's more about losing a lifetime of your email/photos/writings/etc., none of which has any value to a thief who's just looking for something to hock.

    PS: What difference does renting/not make to my suggestion of hiding a network disk somewhere inaccessible and accessing via the mains wiring?

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    1. Re:Family photos aren't valuable to a thief... by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      Sorry. I meant to say, "Unless you're happen to be renting the place." Your idea isn't feasible for renters. I can easily clone my drive over now and then to a spare hard drive, and put that hard drive in another location, or another city. However, I want something to secure my computer tower so no one can steal it and access my data. It isn't so much the data not being replaced, but preventing people from getting ahold of my data. It is a privacy invasion sort of thing.

    2. Re:Family photos aren't valuable to a thief... by Cheesey · · Score: 1

      You should use full disk encryption, so that a thief can only steal the physical drive, not the data. These days, it is relatively easy to do using (for example) loop-aes on Linux, or perhaps whatever is built in to Windows. The speed penalty shouldn't be noticeable as the CPU core is much faster than the hard disk.

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    3. Re:Family photos aren't valuable to a thief... by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      I think it might be better to locking down the tower to the desk using PC cable locks.

      I don't know if I'd trust encryption on a Windows machine.

  32. Store OUTSIDE the same location. by antdude · · Score: 1

    Don't store it in the same home/building/area. What if a disaster strike like a fire? Take the backup somewhere else far away. Internet would be good if you can secure the datas. A bank, that you visit, should be safe too.

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  33. use a memory stick by belmolis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Memory sticks have gotten to be large enough that I can keep a backup of my most important and changeable data in my pocket. They aren't large enough for audio and image files, but they hold a fantastic amount of compressed text. Burglars won't get it because it isn't at home, and it isn't very likely to be damaged in a natural disaster either.

    1. Re:use a memory stick by Lennie · · Score: 1

      People do get caught in natural disasters.

      You could too.

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    2. Re:use a memory stick by belmolis · · Score: 1

      Yes, people do get caught in natural disasters, but the odds are way lower than of having your house or office damaged. No backup solution is perfect. Even if you copy your data to someplace on the other side of the planet, if a good-sized asteriod hits the earth or the sun goes nova, you're screwed.

    3. Re:use a memory stick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and it isn't very likely to be damaged in a natural disaster either. Or, to put it another way: if it is damaged in a natural disaster, you're going to have more important things to worry about than the integrity of your data.
  34. Cheap webhosting account = 1TB of remote backup by shawnmchorse · · Score: 1

    The last time I checked Dreamhost's prices, it was $20/month for 1 TB of disk space. At this point, I believe you are primarily limited by the upload speed of your Internet connection as far as how much data you're able to actually backup off-site to your webhosting account. I left an external USB hard drive (with my backups) at work over the weekend, uploading to the webhosting account. Cheap and easy backup solution.

    1. Re:Cheap webhosting account = 1TB of remote backup by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      The problem with web hosting for backups is two-fold. First is you are trusting your web host with your data - are they going to look after it, protect the files you don't want private, etc. Who is to say that they won't suddenly remove .htaccess support (for example) and all of your private data that was once protected by a mere password is now available to all who stumble along.

      Like most of us I keep a lot of things that I don't want to lose and a lot of things that I don't want to share; nothing really risque or illegal but I don't fancy sharing the family photos or anything along that line with the world.

      I keep an 80G usb hard disk in my laptop computer bag. I plug it in every few days and rsync a subset of important things to it. The plus is that it's "hot" so I can recover from stupid mistakes like deleting the wrong file. Its not ideal but it keeps my data with me at all times - I'm never more than a meter from my laptop bag.

      I don't generally like USB hard disks. Many have flaky chipsets in them and seem to crash if you copy too much data in one session to them, leaving you with a borked backup and possibly requring a reboot to get the USB stack back to operational.

      I'm currently looking at 40 or 80G tapes so I can back up all of my data rather than the subset I currently back up. The cost of tape drives is prohibitive though.

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    2. Re:Cheap webhosting account = 1TB of remote backup by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      you are primarily limited by the upload speed

      Coppolla is a movie producer; and he was in Argentina. Thus massive amounts of data, and probabz\ly an expensive and/or unreliable connection.

    3. Re:Cheap webhosting account = 1TB of remote backup by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1

      Go to a cybercafe -> fast and cheap

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    4. Re:Cheap webhosting account = 1TB of remote backup by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      Webhosts also have an awful tendency to delete anything that looks suspicious... ZIP, MP3, whatever... Gone. They're fine as an additional easy-to-access backup, but they are -not- reliable. I had all the ZIP files on my site disappear one time and I still have no idea why... They were zips of programs I had written and were linked to my site and clearly named. No warning, just gone one day. I uploaded them again and they haven't disappeared since.

      Also, most cheap webhosts will tell you that they are NOT responsible for backing up your data. If their hard drive fails, they'll put a new one in and you'll have to restore the site. Not really great for backups.

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    5. Re:Cheap webhosting account = 1TB of remote backup by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Go to a cybercafe -> fast and cheap

      And they'll let you plug in your hard drive and upload 100 GB of video for the price of a cup of coffee?

    6. Re:Cheap webhosting account = 1TB of remote backup by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1

      And they'll let you plug in your hard drive and upload 100 GB of video for the price of a cup of coffee?
      Sure. They'll charge you by the hour like they usually do.
      Do cybercafes in the US have some weird upload cap?
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  35. Then you suck at backing up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Off-site is an important part of any backup plan.

    Unless some fanatical group is hunting down your data backups, you should be able to lose a house (fire), lose a building (9/11), lose an entire city (Hurricane Katrina) and your data should be fine. There's practically no excuse for it in 2007, with storage as cheap as it is, and with that new-fangled Interweb technology everyone's talking about.

  36. What if a computer store loses your data? by netbuzz · · Score: 1

    This case changes the Coppola scenario somewhat in that instead of a thief the data is lost to a careless computer store employee who discards a customer's old drive instead of copying it to the PC the customer just bought. Customer had no backup. Debate at Network World has found little (although some) support/sympathy for the customer; most say it's his fault and absolve the store of responsibility. Harsh? http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/19742

    1. Re:What if a computer store loses your data? by Raideen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I used to do that kind of work for a living and I still do similar work on a higher level (moving data across servers, among other responsibilities). The usual case was that they'd bring in their old drive and I would give back the hard drive and tell them to hold on to it for backup. If they brought in their old computer and gave us authorization to trash the computer, I'd still give back the hard drive. If they didn't want it back, I'd put it in an anti-static bag, label it, and I'd hold on to it for at least a week after the customer picked up the drive.

      Giving the drive back put the responsibility back in to the customer's hands and holding on to the drive kept the customer from coming back screaming if the HD in his new computer happened to fail. Either solution made me look like a hero for planning ahead if the customer accidentally deleted something on the new computer. In all cases, it was just good customer service. Even if a customer handed me a hard drive and said, "I don't need anything on the drive, throw it out," I'd either tell him to do it himself (thus absolving myself of responsibility) or I would hold on to the drive for a while.

      No matter what the situation was that caused someone to throw out the hard drive before the data was transferred, it was the store's fault. They simply didn't do what they were asked to do. If they had transferred the data and something happened to the data on the new computer, then it would no longer be their fault, although it's still poor customer service.

  37. Re:tags: it's not a backup by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    . If you lose the backup, you have the original.

    TFA says "computers" were stolen, as well as the "backup device", unspecified.

  38. It's not a backup... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not a backup if it's the only copy of your data.

    The lesson is, make a backup!

  39. use a safe & lock by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Informative

    A safe would be a good investment, most are fire proof which is important too.

    For a USB back-up unit, get one with a K-slot on it and bolt it to your desk or wall. It will prevent theft in a robbery, a cable lock (the kind with the hoop that bonds permanently is the way to go, stronger than a K-slot). Using a lock on your home system is especially important if you use a laptop, all laptops have a K-slot.

    I love my old Powermac, it has a loop for a cable lock and when the loop is in use it prevents the case from being opened too. Some PC cases have that as well, rarely as fancy, but sufficient.

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    1. Re:use a safe & lock by (H)elix1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh man, that brings back a funny memory. I was working a customer where there were many consultants parked in a cube farm. An evening came, and most everyone left the laptops chained via a kensington lock rather than un-network and take them home. They came back to find all of the laptops still there - minus the battery, hdd, memory, dvd, and any other removable part - without being overly gentle on the deconstruction.

    2. Re:use a safe & lock by jimicus · · Score: 1
      A safe would be a good investment, most are fire proof which is important too.

      I've just been having this exact conversation with my boss. Between us, we came up with a few questions:
      • This fireproof safe. When the entire building (6 floors, it's on the second) collapses on it as it's weakened by the fire, is it proof against that? What if there's a rather larger safe on a floor directly above it that lands on top of the fireproof safe?
      • Will it survive a 3 storey drop if the floor collapses as a result of the fire? (Less of an issue for us as we're only on the second floor, but becomes a more valid question the higher you go.)
      • There's no way we'd be allowed anywhere near the building once the fire's been put out. Will the people responsible for the building send someone in on our behalf? Or will we have a fireproof safe full of important documents which we can't get at?
      • Let's say for the sake of argument that the safe is directly on a joist so doesn't fall even in the event of the fire being so fierce that the building is almost entirely incinerated. We'd then have a safe 40 feet up in the air on part of the steel frame which was formerly holding up the building, and the only way to get at it would be to erect scaffolding. How do we get around that problem?


      I think we eventually concluded that a fireproof safe doesn't really gain you much in the real world.
    3. Re:use a safe & lock by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 1

      I used to work as a tech in an art gallery and I've seen the video of someone stealing one of our laptops that was secured via K-slot. One sideways blow with a hammer and the plastic laptop case cracked enough to pull out the lock. I suspect the computer still worked just fine after, though it was a crappy Dell and wouldn't have been worth it to replace the cases for resale.

    4. Re:use a safe & lock by pherthyl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think we eventually concluded that a fireproof safe doesn't really gain you much in the real world.

      In the real world?? What, do you work in the twin towers? Fires in office buildings don't generally proceed far enough to make the whole building collapse. Passing on a safe just because there is some wildly unlikely sequence of events that would still destroy your documents isn't very logical.

    5. Re:use a safe & lock by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A safe would be a good investment, most are fire proof which is important too.

      Yes, but let's not forget that what we're dealing with here is a forced entry into a place where the robbers were waiving knives in the staff's faces. Nothing makes a knife waive faster than when it's accompanied by the phrase (how ever you say it in Spanish), "I know you know how to open this safe, so get to it..."

      If Coppola can't afford the bandwith to push to an off-site storage service, I don't know who can.

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    6. Re:use a safe & lock by ozbird · · Score: 4, Informative

      A safe would be a good investment, most are fire proof which is important too.

      A safe that is "fire proof" for paper (< 451 F) is not "fire proof" for your backups - you need a data/media safe, which are significantly more expensive.

    7. Re:use a safe & lock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fire proof safes are the easiest ones to crack. Safes that are actually hard to crack are mostly heat conductive and effectively bake everything inside.

    8. Re:use a safe & lock by fishbowl · · Score: 1


      >I think we eventually concluded that a fireproof safe doesn't really gain you much in the real world.

      It's not as if the safe is a net liability. Your extreme examples don't make the safe a poor investment, or, say, no better than a paper shoe box.
      Is that what you concluded? Don't buy a safe because a paper box would be better?

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    9. Re:use a safe & lock by Dephex+Twin · · Score: 1, Funny
      • What if you smartly purchase a safe for your important documents, only to discover too late that the casing is made of Ritz crackers?
      • Is there some sort of protection against backing up and safely storing data that is really lame and nobody gives a shit about?
      • Let's just say that our backup methodology is completely sound; what if it turns out that everything is merely being simulated inside the Matrix, and the evil machine overlords don't bother to back up our entire universe?
      • WHAT THEN????
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    10. Re:use a safe & lock by master0ne · · Score: 1

      in all of your examples you still have a pretty large chance that the data or documents within the safe are still intact and usable. Your only really left with the challenge of recovering the documents, which given time will sort itself out, as im sure between the police and building owners once the mess was cleaned up and sorted through, they would get you back your belongings (after of course crime lab etc decided it wasnt a key peice of evidence....) the only real issue is the time frame of getting it back. it could take weeks to months.... maybe even a year or two, if you also kept an off-site backup your buisness could be back up the very next day in some other office somewhere else running on your off-site backup you made the week before the fire, only having to recreate the data from the last week before the disaster.. which you would STILL have on file for legal records as soon as the safe was returned...

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    11. Re:use a safe & lock by couchslug · · Score: 1

      If protecting the data from physical theft is the concern, a hidden wireless NAS setup would be effective.

      Stuff it someplace out of the way, and when the desktop is carted off all the thieves get is the client.

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    12. Re:use a safe & lock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens when a 3 mile wide asteroid hits the office building? Bet you will feel stupid for buying a fireproof safe then.

    13. Re:use a safe & lock by Zerth · · Score: 1

      Any decent fire safe is also impact rated. The tape safe at my company is 2 hour, 10 meter rated. Which means that a bunch of DATs survived in readable condition inside of it after putting the safe in 2000F furnace for 30 minutes, dropping it 10 meters, and then sticking it back in the heat for another 45 minutes.

      Now, we keep our safe at ground level, but if it was in your last situation, we'd just knock it off the joist instead of setting up scaffolding.

      Still doesn't help much if your safe is buried under 10 feet of rubble, but that's why we also have weekly offsite backups and I take the previous night's dailies home.

    14. Re:use a safe & lock by cgreentx · · Score: 1

      More importantly, A fire safe is designed to protect paper... not media. A hard drive would have to be sent for data recovery in even a short fire inside of a standard fire safe. They are designed to keep paper below the flashpoint. Have you ever seen what paper looks like when it comes out of one?

    15. Re:use a safe & lock by Bluesman · · Score: 1

      Fires in office buildings don't generally proceed far enough to make the whole building collapse.

      Excuse me, but I did not receive my paycheck last week, and I told Mr. Lumburg that . . . OK, but that's the last straw.

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    16. Re:use a safe & lock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Safe will do no good... in case of fire, the data will be gone from the heat inside. Yeah, your papers won't burn, your backup tape won't physically melt... but the bits will be gone.

    17. Re:use a safe & lock by eat+here_get+gas · · Score: 1

      Sé que usted sabe abrir esta caja fuerte, así que consígale...

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    18. Re:use a safe & lock by AJWM · · Score: 1

      A safe would be a good investment, most are fire proof which is important too.

      Unless it's specifically designed as and designated a "media safe" (costs quite a bit more, too), it'll only keep papers and such safe from fire. Most fire proof safes are lined with a material that is both slightly insulating and has water locked up in the molecular structure (eg gypsum). Heat from a fire slowly drives out the water, which helps soak up some of the heat and replaces the air in the safe with hot water vapor (steam), which prevents the paper from burning.

      That steam will just melt most plastic media (or melt the case its in, which is just as bad). With hard drives, even if the temperature never reaches the Curie point, steam could be forced into the drive's vent hole and the condensation when it cools can't be good.

      A media safe is made with lots of insulation (think shuttle tiles, although I don't know if any use that specific material) and just keep the contents of the safe cool for as long as possible.

      Of course no safe will protect the contents forever, fireproof safes are usually rated in how many minutes (or rarely, hours) the protection will last in a "standard" fire (ie given external temperature).

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    19. Re:use a safe & lock by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I think we eventually concluded that a fireproof safe doesn't really gain you much in the real world.

      No, you're wrong. For the sake of argument let's just say you and your boss are idiots and move on.

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    20. Re:use a safe & lock by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Pawn shops will not buy laptops with a broken K-slot, because it's so obviously stolen. A K-slot is not meant to prevent your laptop from beings stolen, it is mean to destroy the laptop that resale is difficult. A good K-slot will be attached to the corner of the motherboard and trash it if you rip it out.

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    21. Re:use a safe & lock by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Robbers don't crack safes, sorry if real life isn't like the movies. These criminals has the same personalty type of those that try to steal ATMs with a pick up truck and a chain.

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    22. Re:use a safe & lock by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Too bad there isn't anything as cheap and effective as asbestos. I've used that stuff with molten iron and it was pretty amazing. A lot cheaper than the ceramic blankets they use in the steel industry now, and twice as effective. You used to be able to buy fire safes with multiple layers of alternating steel and asbestos. Also why are you using magnetic media in your fire safe, seems a lot easier to burn it onto optical media. Plus hard drives are a lot better at resisting heat damage than tape and floppy media, although anything over +190F is going to ruin it.

      Good info about the gypsum fire safes creating steam, thanks.

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    23. Re:use a safe & lock by lonecrow · · Score: 1

      If you purchase a safe for storing back up media, make sure its rated for it. Most fire safes are only rated to protect paper for x amount of time. Most computer storage media will melt much much sooner.

    24. Re:use a safe & lock by mlush · · Score: 1

      A safe would be a good investment, most are fire proof which is important too.

      A safe that is "fire proof" for paper (< 451 F) is not "fire proof" for your backups - you need a data/media safe, which are significantly more expensive. Fireproof safes do not stop the contents getting hot.... just stops them burning by keeping the air out. I head of a case where they found the fireproof safe and eagerly opened it while it was still hot... the moment the air got in the paper burst into flame.
    25. Re:use a safe & lock by GeckoX · · Score: 1

      Exactly, which is why they are NOT safe for digital media. These safes get plenty hot enough to damage most forms of digital media.

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    26. Re:use a safe & lock by redbaritone · · Score: 1
      A safe would be a good investment, most are fire proof which is important too.

      Yes, IFF the safe is super heavy (>300lbs), or is bolted to the floor. I made the mistake of thinking that thieves would not bother dragging my 120lb. safe out of my house. The truth is, once thieves find a safe, (and they know to look in your bedroom closets), they forget just about everything else. The thieves that took mine went to great effort to drag it off. By the way, thieves often work in groups, so don't assume it'll be just one thief that enters your house. They get in and out in just a few minutes, because they know how long it typically takes the police to get to the scene . So even with an alarm system, you're stuff is not necessarily secure.

      Anyway, if you have one of these "closet" safes, either bolt it to the floor, or get rid of it. Instead of keeping my important stuff "safe", it made them decidedly target-rich. With a fire station just down the street from me, I've decided my important docs are safer in a filing cabinet. A safe deposit box is beginning to look like it's worth the annual fee. I have DVD backups of my important data at work.

    27. Re:use a safe & lock by CommandNotFound · · Score: 1

      I purchased a Sentry safe a year or so ago for home use, and it had paperwork listing the conditions it is designed to withstand. I believe it can withstand 1700 degrees F for 2 hours, and the contents will stay within so many degrees (250?). The unit is rated to take a 30 ft drop onto rubble, then it is heat tested at 1200 degrees for a period of time (not 2 hrs, but 30 minutes, I believe). I may have the exact numbers wrong, but for a $350 safe, I was impressed, particularly for home use.

      For business use, you can probably get much better performance (for more money), and the vendor should have a listing of the tests they run (fire, collapse, water damage, etc).

    28. Re:use a safe & lock by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Oh, you can. A typical fireproof safe isn't actually much good for media - they're designed on the assumption you're keeping paper in there, which will survive a much higher ambient temperature. You can get proper data safes, though.

      Bottom line is, even with the best safe in the world there's things you can't account for. Whatever happens, in the event of fire there's no way you'll be allowed anywhere near the remains of the building for some time after the fire's gone out - which could be a bit of a problem if that's where your backup tapes are. So it's very dangerous to think "I've got everything important in a fireproof safe - I'm all right".

    29. Re:use a safe & lock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      awesome suggestion:

      1. buy 150lb safe, place in closet, put nothing in it.

      2. ?

      3. profit!

      The thieves will waste all their time, thinking, moving and talking about the safe. Overlooking cleverly hidden-in-plain-sight important items. Like a smallish bookshelf, with some non-descript books, that are actually a RAID6 array...

  40. The First Rule by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

    Back up or fuck up.

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  41. spend a Coppola $$$ on external drives.... by Qwrk · · Score: 1

    With all these film makers going digital it can't be too costly to invest in some external drives, no can it? There's 500gig drives to be had for a wee $100 so what's the caper here? Backup onto a smart little box, several times over, have some off site as well and the problem is solved. These are high tech industries so am I mistaken when I may expect a director of this stature to have some people in his inner circle taht'd be able to advise him on this?

    1. Re:spend a Coppola $$$ on external drives.... by Rockin'Robert · · Score: 0

      WOT? It was, more-than-likely,
      a pissed off or jealous insider
      wage-slave that stole it!
      The ransom note is expected shortly.
      RR

    2. Re:spend a Coppola $$$ on external drives.... by Naviztirf · · Score: 1

      Sometimes even those in the inner circle are not listened to.....

  42. I suspect that there is more to the story... by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Informative

    Slashdot story quality is often low; apparently Slasdot editors don't even Google the stories. This is the real story; it was an armed robbery: Coppola Says Robbery Cost Years of Data (AP). This poorly edited story has even more detail: Thieves Steal Francis Ford Coppola's Everything.

    I suspect that there is more to the story than we know. I suspect that he is more worried about release of information than loss of information. The AP article says he had a backup copy of a screenplay on which he is working.

    The moral of the story is: Have proprietary data? Use TrueCrypt. Supports Windows and Linux. As all encryption software must be, it is open source, very mature, and supports both Windows and Linux. Supports encrypted devices and encrypted folders, including hidden folders.

    To encrypt a file, use the free open source Gnu Privacy Guard.

    1. Re:I suspect that there is more to the story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but building truecrypt for linux is a pain in the ass. Kernel headers are not enough, you actually require a real source package, configured and built!!! Hello!? WTF?

    2. Re:I suspect that there is more to the story... by purduephotog · · Score: 1

      Actually, the moral of the story is to have a neighbor/friend somewhere else where you send them copies of your encrypted data. That way there's nothing that can go wrong.

      (I offsite a 500gb backup every month or so)

    3. Re:I suspect that there is more to the story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but building truecrypt for linux is a pain in the ass.
      Or:

      emerge truecrypt

      done.
    4. Re:I suspect that there is more to the story... by omnirealm · · Score: 1

      To have a filesystem transparently encrypt individual files for you on Linux, use eCryptfs. It's now part of every major distro.

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    5. Re:I suspect that there is more to the story... by AJWM · · Score: 1

      A safety deposit box at a bank works pretty well for this.

      If you're really worried, get safety deposit boxes at two different banks.

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    6. Re:I suspect that there is more to the story... by jj421 · · Score: 1

      (I offsite a 500gb backup every month or so) Unless you use Comcast or some other ISP with an upload limit.
    7. Re:I suspect that there is more to the story... by purduephotog · · Score: 1

      Errr, it's a 500gb HD. I don't stream important data like that over the net.

    8. Re:I suspect that there is more to the story... by Da3vid · · Score: 1

      I doubt he's as worried about an unfinished screenplay getting released than he is about having to re-write it. I actually met Francis several months back at a small screening of some of his behind the scenes reel from his past few movies. He was very interesting. But he's in the point of his career where he makes movies for him. He writes, finances, produces and directs. His movies have become very personal for him, and I suspect that is why he would want them back.

    9. Re:I suspect that there is more to the story... by Naviztirf · · Score: 1

      He's on a mac, which has encryption built into the OS. Alas, it has to be turned on first.

  43. off site by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    I see he learned a VALUABLE lesson in the art of backup. NEVER store your backup at the same location that your drive(s) are located, unless it is in a fire/bomb proof safe.

    1. Re:off site by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      unless it is in a fire/bomb proof safe.


      Such things can be pried open with a crowbar.
    2. Re:off site by The+Dobber · · Score: 3, Funny

      Didn't you watch that episode of MythBusters?

      Sure you can get it open, but you'll most likely toast the contents.

    3. Re:off site by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      I don't watch mythbusters-- no cable. However, I did find this video, which matches your description. Very amusing. I'm a big fan of heist movies such as Rififi

      I can't find it on youtube at the moment, but, I've seen video of "thieves" spying a formidable looking safe, rocking it on it's side, and then prying the door off with crowbars. An advertisement for a specialized safe dealer. Essentially, a media safe will keep your data safe from fire, but unless it has been designed to delay burglars, it's like painting a big sign:

      Hey Thieves, this is where I Keep my Lewt!

    4. Re:off site by somersault · · Score: 1

      Where can I get one of these flame throwing crowbars? Sweet! Half-Life 3, here we come!

      --
      which is totally what she said
  44. The universe tends toward maximum irony. by J.J. · · Score: 1

    The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. ...Do a backup onto [a third] drive...take that to your office and lock it in a desk. Every few months, bring it home, do a backup, and immediately take it away again. This is your "my house burned down" backup.

    - jwz on backups, 29 Sep 07.
    http://jwz.livejournal.com/801607.html

    I guess you could call that "my shit got stolen" backup, too. Maximum irony, indeed.

  45. Very sad all by houghi · · Score: 1

    but this is something that has happend and will happen. Fires have destroyed posessions for centuries. Sad, but he will survive. Let us be honest. They where personal and probably emotional items he lost. Boo-f-ing-hoo.

    This is not a loss for humanity. This is a personal loss. That's it.

    Yes, we all could do the backup-and-save-it-on-another-planet routine, but it just isn't worth the trouble in 99.99999% of the time. You win some, you loose some. Get over it and get on with your life.

    --
    Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  46. What he probably done... by Whiteox · · Score: 1

    What he probably done was to load up everything on a single drive and carry it around with him.
    That's stupid for so many reasons, but a lot of people do it.
    They set their removable drives with all their pics, video etc and carry it around with them, like a photo album, using it whenever and however they want.
    Odds on, although it's a 'backup device' it's more probably a way of moving his data from point A to point B rather than a true backup.
    But he's still an idiot. So is his daughter and son (who's so embarrassed that he changed his name... I'll give him that!)
    Imagine getting your HD and carrying it around with you. Geez! Don't drop it!!!
    That's just plain stupid. In fact I don't believe that he 'lost' all his stuff. There must be copies around the place, on other drives and stuff. He's just miffed that someone stole his drive and he'll have to load it all up again.
    Even for a non-tech, he deserves to go through this as he just wasn't thinking straight!
    Jerk.
    I know one guy who set his My Document folder to his removable drive. He carries that with him overseas etc etc. He's got no idea how dangerous that is and if he doesn't drop it, leave it, get it stolen or whatever, it'll crash anyway.
    Jerk.
    Mind you, I've warned him.

    --
    Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
    1. Re:What he probably done... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idiots are people like you, who write a complete novel of speculation in reply to an article they extremely obviously have not even considered reading.

    2. Re:What he probably done... by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Read it again. It was much as I described. It was his personal stuff that he lost, but I grant you that the article wasn't very clear.
      No need to call me an idiot though! That was not nice.....

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      Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
  47. Re:tags: it's not a backup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't RTFA... ... but decided to post some (not even logically self-consistent) nonsense anyway

    Buzzz, you lose! If you do it again within the next year, you ought to be taken out and shot early in the morning. Very early and very slowly.

    There ought to be a "-5 Author braindead" moderation level for posts like yours.

  48. If it was 15 years of movies, it's safe by bl8n8r · · Score: 1

    On the bright side, he should encourage the thieves to put everything up on bittorrent. At least he'll finally have redundant, off-site, storage.

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  49. Been there by kbahey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Several years ago, I had a break in. The computer was stolen.

    Luckily, I have been using a tape backup, and the robber did not take those. So, I was able to go back one month with everything intact.

    In those days, everything I had fit in the 2.5GB tape. I then bought a 10GB tape, and it lasted for a few years. Backups were simply a cron job and an email to tell me that the backup is done and to change the tape. I kept one tape offsite as a precaution.

    However, life changed. I got a digital camera and started taking a lot of pictures. Then I got another one with more megapixels and started taking more pictures which are larger in size. All of a sudden, tapes were not enough. The largest Travan tape is 20GB native capacity.

    Getting tapes for a home setup is a real chore, specially with the rate the capacity of hard disks is growing. Tapes cannot keep up, specially at price points that home users can afford for both drives and media. Finding the media can be a challenge, let alone finding them at reasonable prices.

    To this day, my page on Linux tape backup comes up first on Google, despite moving on from tapes.

    Because tapes are no longer enough for the size of data that I have, I now use external disk drives in USB enclosures, two of them to be sure, and a cron job to do daily incremental dumps, and weekly full dumps. See setting up a hard disk USB 2.0 enclosure for backup under Linux and Ubuntu Linux backup of a laptop using a USB enclosure and the dump utility (I use a similar approach for the server).

    Although drive enclosures can be theoretically kept offsite, they have to be unmounted, unplugged and are bulkier than tape. So it is inconvenient. Using 2.5" drives may make this more convenient, but their price vs. capacity still makes them more costly.

    What are others using for a home setup for tape and offsite backup? DLT? DAT? What?

    1. Re:Been there by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I now use external disk drives in USB enclosures, two of them to be sure, and a cron job to do daily incremental dumps, and weekly full dumps.

      Same here, I use linux RAID-1 to keep a mirror of a backup drive onsite and rsnapshot to handle the state information (check it out, better than incremental/fulls). I break the mirror, take it offsite, bring the old drive back, and sync it back into the mirror.

      --
      My God, it's Full of Source!
      OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
    2. Re:Been there by dcam · · Score: 1

      rsync. Hard drives are cheap, put cheap boxs onsite and offsite and run a cron job to rsync the data. Make sure you get emailed the results.

      --
      meh
  50. Online backups now n00b-proof and trustworthy by mbaciarello · · Score: 4, Informative

    I haven't seen any comments about online backup solutions.

    They're quite cheap (~ $50-$100 per year with unlimited storage) now and they make for the (almost) perfect off-site backup solution.

    I've tried Mozy.com and Amazon S3.

    While not technically a dedicated backup solution, Amazon is quite cost-effective for me and has amazing bandwidth -- I can upload or download through my 24/1.2 mbit connection at full speed 99% of the time. Yes, it's not very user-friendly at first, but after setting up JungleDisk (or your choice of WebDAV interface) and any backup application the first time, you just let the scheduler work its way through your data.

    Mozy is cheap at $60/year/computer with unlimited storage, but I get modest connection speeds to their servers. Yet, their Windows client is extremely simple to set up. The Mac client (still a beta) is also good, although not ready for "production" work, yet. Linux is a no-go, though.

    Of course it's always best to also keep a local device for quick backups/restores of large amounts of data, but the peace of mind and convenience afforded by online solutions... It's priceless to me...

  51. NOT HAHA. (tag w/ !haha please) by toby · · Score: 1

    Agree with parent. Not funny. Technical people have a responsibility to help prevent this, in a number of ways.

    Francis, this admirer sincerely hopes you get your data back.

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    you had me at #!
  52. The holy way of doing it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember, Jesus saves. But God does full off-site backups.

  53. Digital safe deposit box - offsite backup service by enselsharon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Although slightly more expensive (don't waste your time on the "free unlimited storage" media sites), a digital safe-deposit box in the form of an offsite backup service is a lot easier than driving to the bank.

    I have a cron job that fires off an rsync command every night - destination is my rsync.net offsite filesystem where I keep 7 days of snapshots of all of my data.

    Easy, cheap.

  54. Mistah Kurtz says: by Viceroy+Potatohead · · Score: 1
  55. bolt it to your desk or wall by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ya, that works great since we havent invented battery powered reciprocating saws yet. Makes mincemeat of cables and wall studs in seconds.

    Offsite storage is the only way to go. As you point out, even a simple fire would have wiped him out. With all the talk of 'movie vaults' in his industry you would think that off site storage would have at least crossed his mind once.

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    1. Re:bolt it to your desk or wall by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      People don't normally break into a house with an angle grinder, sorry if you live in an imaginary world where that is common place.

      For your average joe off site storage is somewhat impractical, which is why I recommend a fire safe. You can keep your family photos in it too. And they are available in a variety of sizes and strengths.

      If you have the option of offsite storage available to you, then by all means go with it. For commercial storage there are services that will drive up with a truck every week and pick up your multi-terabyte backups. Since it's hard to beat the bandwidth of a stationwagon full of tapes. :)

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    2. Re:bolt it to your desk or wall by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Professionals take their tools with them. High end jobs are done by professionals. A 'production executive' is liable to have been a professional job. Aside from that, often people have these same tools in their garage, and thieves do use what is available to them. ( i didnt say angle grinder, i said reciprocating saw. Thats also good for cutting off door knobs and locks and chains too so its a multipurpose tool )

      Back OT: Off-site storage of data is practical for EVERYONE. You can get this new fangled thing called a 'safety deposit box' for a few bucks a year at your local bank. Cant afford the few bucks for the deposit box? take it to a friends, or the offfice. Chances of both places buring down at the same exact moment is pretty remote. We are only talking a single external HD here, so its not going to require an entire climate controlled warehouse or something.

      There is really no excuse for having off-site data storage.

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      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    3. Re:bolt it to your desk or wall by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      high end jobs? please stop posting until you return to reality.

      having to drag your storage to the bank every week sounds pretty impractical to me. I'd rather do online back-ups.

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    4. Re:bolt it to your desk or wall by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Id prefer to drag them like most business in the world do ( thou, some do contract out the logistics i realize ) instead of trusting some on line backup farce.

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      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  56. This reminds me of BT's album/equipment theft by Dralithi · · Score: 0

    The DJ known as "BT" (Brian Transeau) went through a similar situation, although it was some unknown burglar as opposed to an armed robbery. He too, did not make a backup (stupid, stupid, stupid). Hello, you're a techno-geek, the first think you think of is "how do I back up my Peter Gabriel collaboration tracks". Duh! http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/bt/articles/story/5919472/bts_studio_robbed

  57. Backup Strategy by bogie · · Score: 1

    Easiest method I've come up with so far for the average user and it only cost $200. It is not the most reliable but it is apparently vastly superior to what 99% of users are doing which is nothing. Buy two usb hard drives like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822154150 . Keep one at a friends/neighbors house. Once a month on the same day you write your mortgage or rent check do the back immediately afterwards. Then drop the drive off at your friend's/neighbor's. Repeat forever. Honestly if you don't tie it to something important you just won't do it.

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    If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
  58. "As far as I know..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "I use encrypted RAR archives, their encryption is quite strong and uncracked as far as I know."

    The key phrase here is 'as far as I know' since RAR is closed source. If your primary concern is encryption, why not use 7z instead?

  59. Smile by shmlco · · Score: 1

    I have a friend who has one of those in a closet. Open the closet, however, and the first thing you see is the blinking WiFi webcam mounted on the wall above it. He even hung a little sign from it that says "Smile!"

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    Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
    1. Re:Smile by somersault · · Score: 1

      Is that meant to be some kind of metaphor?

      --
      which is totally what she said
  60. probably no way anybody will break the encryption by RudeIota · · Score: 1

    [quote]Use a strong passphrase, and there is probably no way anybody will break the encryption in your lifetime, or even the planet's lifetime.[/quote] 640k encryption ought to be enough for anybody

    --
    Fact: Everything I say is fiction.
  61. Duplicity, OpenVPN and a friend or family member by Huh? · · Score: 1
    I've been doing this for about a year, and it's working pretty well for my needs:


    I setup my parents windows PC with an OpenVPN connection to my house and an FTP server (only listening on the TAP interface). I use Duplicity to do an GPG encrypted incremental backup to the FTP server over the VPN.

    Duplicity uses encrypted TAR files for the backup, so your internal filenames...etc are never visible, which is an added benefit if you wanted to do this to a hosting provider..etc. Depending on the amount/size of your files, the first backup can be large. To get around that, I made the first backup to an external hard drive, and brought it with me on a visit (rinse and repeat a couple of times a year for good measure).

    I haven't tried to restore a single file over the network, but have tested a full restore (copying the files back to an external). That being the case, I'm not sure I'd recommend this solution for an quasi on-line backup system. However, it does work quite well for just getting your data off-site (securely and incrementally), and since my parents live about 60 miles away, I'm getting a bit of geographical diversity as well.

  62. Get a clue... by shmlco · · Score: 1

    And when there's a fire that burns for half-hour or so before being put out by the fire department, leaving everything a mess but pretty much the entire structure intact? (A much more likely scenario.) What then?

    Here's a clue. Contact your local fire department or fire marshall and ASK THEM YOUR QUESTIONS.

    Why not spend twenty minutes and get some real answers, instead of engaging in a useless mental masturbation session with your boss? Explain your circumstances and ask THEM if a fire safe is worthwhile, and then if so then ask for some recommendations.

    --
    Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
  63. Not Google! by Serhei · · Score: 1

    For a second I misread the title as "Google loses all his data" and nearly had a heart attack.

  64. Re:tags: it's not a backup by kaizokuace · · Score: 1

    Always there are two, a master and apprentice.

    --
    Balderdash!
  65. Not a problem. by Real1tyCzech · · Score: 1

    Once it hits the internet, he'll never have to worry about losing it again. His files will be forever stored in the cloud, easily accessible from anywhere in the world.

    What more could he ask for?? ;p

  66. Re:Too bad, douche bag! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget about Boxing Helena. What a shit hole movie that one was. OH, it's just a dream!

  67. Make your house less of a target. by shmlco · · Score: 1

    That's probably easier said than done. After all, a thief is going to be ransacking your house LOOKING for all of your little hidey-holes.

    Basically, you need to follow the rules that make your house less of a target. Outdoor lighting, indoor lighting, maybe a radio on timers so it looks like someone is home. Get an alarm system and SERVICE, and post the signs. Perhaps even add some video cameras here and there.

    Make any thief think the house down the block is a better target. Failing that, use the alarm system and service so that the thieves know that there's a time limit and to ensure that they spend as little time as possible searching your house. And lock down your stuff (TVs, computers, etc.) so that it's harder to take, and more time consuming to do so. (Every locked door, cabinet, locked down device, safe, etc., takes time to deal with.) Heck, even using wire ties on your TV and stereo power cords will slow them down.

    And if you're REALLY paranoid, we can talk about fingerprint traps, decoys, and a few other things. Remember, most thieves are not the super-professionals you see on film.

    You may not be able to STOP them, but you can work to make things more difficult for them, and to reduce your losses.

    --
    Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
  68. Or encrypted hom directory on Mac by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Just throing out that the Mac has an alterantive as well - encrypted home directory, or even better encrypted disk images that you can mount and unmount quite easily.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  69. Isn't an encrypted file system a burden if... by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Isn't an encrypted file system a burden if you want to encrypt just one device?

  70. internet... the ultimate backup by purpleraison · · Score: 1

    My guess is that all of his information will be floating around the internet pretty soon, for the most part providing universal back-up :p



    However funny this may seem though, it really isn't. Prior to becoming 'computer savvy' I had a computer which I had been using as primary storage for documents and digital photographs. For some reason Windows crashed one day, and I couldn't fix it.



    After this incident, I learned that the need to use backup is mandatory and running a redundant backup routine is key. For instance, use a script to backup daily to an external hard drive, and weekly to an internal server for the household. This way, should the local backup get fried, one could grab the info from the server. If one wanted to do it properly, backing up to an external server routinely is more ideal -- but then upload speed can be prohibitive.



    Mr. Coppola should be commended for the use of backup since there are far too many people who don't know just how important it is. I feel for him, and hope he gets his backup returned.

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    I am open source, and Linux baby!
  71. Re:Too bad, douche bag! by garbletext · · Score: 1

    Boxing Helena was directed by another no-talent daughter, Jennifer Lynch. As far as wikipedia or Google know, the Coppolas had nothing to do with it. It was a godawful movie, though. How can any serious movie end on "just a dream?" Deus ex Machina was already old 2,000 years ago.

  72. Why Should I Have to Change My Oil? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Are people expected to perform regular scheduled maintenance on their cars themselves? No, because it is too complex and troublesome for the average users.

    Are we expected to have sympathy for those who never change their oil and have engine trouble?

    There's nothing complex about "don't put all your eggs into one basket".

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    My God, it's Full of Source!
    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  73. Ready to decrypt by Golden+Section · · Score: 1

    > The key phrase here is 'as far as I know'

    Ha, thanks!
    unrar e -p"as far as I know" secretarchive.rar
    Extracting from secretarchive.rar
    Extracting 15yearsofwork.iso OK
    All OK

    --
    Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
  74. Data Storage is too expensive by crf00 · · Score: 1
    Seriously data storage is getting more expensive now days. It's not the harddisks that are expensive, but the backup effort for this tremendous amount of data.

    Back to my old days where normal harddisk capacity was 5GB and CD was around, data backup was just burning 6~7 CD and it wasn't too hard.
    Then DVD came out and harddisk capacity had increased to 80GB. That was about 20 DVDs to perform a full backup, still not too bad.
    After that, P2P such as bittorrent started to rule and harddisk capacity grown to 320GB, but DVD still haven't evolved. The only solution for me was to buy another harddisk for backup.
    One year ago 500GB harddisk came down to an affordable price, I bought one and my storage is double again.

    After one year of waiting the price of 500GB harddisk still haven't drop much, and 1TB harddisk is still struggling to enter consumer market. There is no even sign of Blue-ray DVD in my country, not to say the burner. Even if Blue-ray came to an affordable price, 40GB is still too little and too slow to backup 1TB of data.

    On the other side, DVD has become so popular and flash drive capacity has grown beyond 2GB. In digital photography I just shoot in raw mode and in each event 2GB of photos are eating space of my harddisk insanely. The harddisk videocam has a capacity of 40GB and allow over 50 hours of video recording, but it will be a big pain on where to store the video clips if you fully use the videocam.

    The fact is that removable media has grown larger and larger but the harddisks cannot catch up fast enough to compensate their growth. Yes, price/GB has dropped much, but the total price is just growing too much. We need exponential growth in TB harddisks just as it were in GB harddisk.

    Currently I have 1.1TB of desktop harddisk, 500GB of full backup harddisk, 160GB of notebook harddisk, and 60GB of portable harddisk. Synchronizing between main storage and portable storage is a pain as I have to choose limited data carefully. Backup is a pain and takes way too long time. The most expensive hardware on my computer is harddisk which cost half of the total cost!

    So is there a cheap and easy way to backup 1TB of data other than using harddisk? No. Please, when will a 2TB harddisk come out and kickstart the exponential growth again?

  75. Sure there are, they just aren't free by Makoss · · Score: 1

    My company (http://www.zettabytestorage.com/) makes a managed NAS device which would have completely prevented their problems. Better still, our "Professional" line of products includes local disk encryption, meaning that the thieves get nothing but a fancy NAS device on which they need to reformat the drives before they can use it.

    There are a nearly innumerable number of other companies providing some sort of offsite backup at varying mixes of ease of use, capacity, and price. Some of them, like ours, are extremely easy to setup, and require no further active participation from the user. They pass the "mom" test, the "CPA who doesn't like computers" test, and almost certainly would also pass the "rich old man with 15 years worth of work who was able to setup an external USB drive" test.

    Our home lines starts at 30GB for $34/Month and our Professional at 140GB for $139/Month. It's not free, but it's a whole lot less expensive than losing 15 years worth of work. And includes geographically remote replication, hardware replacement in the event of loss or failure, all shipping charges, and any other applicable costs.

    Additionally, there are a huge number of DIY solutions out there for remote data backup. They are not as easy, but they are less expensive.

    If you put months or years of work into creating your data, but then don't either take the time to learn how to do it yourself, or pay the pittance required for a professional backup solution, you should probably spend some time thinking about your priorities.

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    Building a better backup.
    Zettabyte Storage
  76. so burn a pile of DVD backups by alizard · · Score: 1

    Easy to hide and/or snailmail in addition to a backup mirror.

    Downside: I'm up to 17 DVDs in a backup set... I wish the industry would settle on a single standard so we can get cheap high-density DVD burners and media.

    But even 17 DVDs is an easy to mail package and largely immune to any hazard other than non-delivery.

  77. Re:Too bad, douche bag! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude. The Godfather. Apocalypse Now.

    Give the guy a break for funding his kids crappy movie.

  78. Offsite by rsync by jarek · · Score: 1

    My own solution to this is to share my drive with a friend and he shares a part of his. The backup goes by rsync of selected directories. Sensitive data is automatically encrypted. Currently, we store 30GB for each other. He lives on the other side of town. I also do a system backup locally where I test upgrades and so on. If something fails, I just go back to the old system and let the rsync-based local take back things to normal. If the upgrade (or whatever) is to my liking. I switch to the new disk with grub and have the new system copy over to the old. This has saved my ass so many times.
    I have set up my mothers computer (windows 2000) to do a remote (rsync) backup to mine (which is Linux/Ubuntu). That will make her very happy one day.

  79. Well... by vegiVamp · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    probably wouldn't have happened if he was running Linux.

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    What a depressingly stupid machine.