A patent grants a monopoly on an invention for about 19 years. Steve Jobs not only stole other people's ideas; he applied for and got patents on some of them. And worse, he was using those patents not just as a defense; he wanted to destroy alternate models of computing.
In the computing world, the WALLED GARDEN, or JAIL approach followed by Apple is a minority. Or atleast it is, in the desktop space. Apple's phenomenal success in the tablet and phone space is admirable, but very BAD for the rest of the ecosystem.
According to the 'expert' referenced, Apple still has thousands of patents in these areas of computing; and the loss of 1 or 2 patents will not make any impact overall. So I hope more of these stupid patents get tossed out, and open computing platforms thrive in all form factors, including mobile and touch devices.
As a (up till now) satisfied owner of Apple products,
Some people prefer to live in (well furnished) jails and prisons like you; where food is served for free. Fine. But there are thousands of times more people who wish to use low cost, high value, 'open' platforms to do their work. Granting a patent on trivial things and Apple refusing to license such patents to others will only bring untold misery to the entire IT ecosystem.
all I can say is: Good.
Wrong. Bad. Apple was an innovative company when they were not so cash-strapped. Now they have billions in cash, and worse, Steve Jobs personally felt that merely having enormous piles of cash was not sufficient; he wanted to 'destroy' Android as a matter of principle. He was willing to go thermonuclear in his so called agenda. With such an attitude of a sociopath; he was least bothered about the collateral damage a thermonuclear battle would inflict on others, and his own company as well.
With such a narrow-minded jerk armed with piles of money, it maybe Good, for YOU ; but for non-Apple users, who are a much bigger majority, it is very very bad.
Also, a complete rejection of all claims of a given patent is potentially more devastating than one affecting only some claims.
All of 20 claims mentioned in the patent and issued by the USTPO have been rejected. Does this not prove that the issuing office has no right to exist in the first place? Millions have been lost litigating this absurdity. - Apple would lose two iconic patents, but it would still have thousands of other patents, including hundreds of multitouch patents.
More evidence that the patent office should suffer the 'thermonuclear' treatment that Steve Jobs spoke about. The two so called iconic patents have been completely rubbished; but hundreds more yet to come. So this Florian scourge is not just happy that millions have already been sunk to the lawyers and courts with 2 patents; he is sitting smug in his seat dreaming about how hundreds more such patents will keep him and so called 'patent-experts' like him, employed for life.
Why those assholes take years to determine 'full' invalidity is beyond me.
Also, this patent show up Steve Jobs for the sociopath asshole that he was. Patenting a 'complete solution' is okay; patenting a small process or a way of operating a device is a fundamentally flawed approach to granting patents in the first place.
Meanwhile, millions have been lost fighting this useless patent, and HTC were idiots to settle, etc etc
the vast majority of Android users are people buying it because the phones are cheap.
You mean low cost, not cheap. Android phones can do everything an iPhone or Windows Phone does, at a lower cost. So it is not cheap, it is a more valuable option for the customer. And the reason for that is because the underlying platform is more 'open' and less tightly controlled by a bunch of perverted sadists and corporate trolls.
True. I didn't want to embarrass myself, so posted Anonymously. But +4 Informative??!!! Looks like the MS shills can't even see such stupid attempts at humour. Clueless bunch of idiots!
However, during the jury selection the judge asked Hogan whether he was involved in any litigation, he answered correctly that he was involved in some litigation a few years ago, and the judge then forgot to ask him if he was involved in any other litigation.
Please do not spout such bullshit. The judge asked everyone if they were EVER involved in any prior litigation. Hogan half-assedly replied that he was involved in 1 litigation; but conveniently and untruthfully left out the Seagate litigation. He claimed in an interview that he did not mention the Seagate litigation because it was more than 10 years past; and that the judge specified a 10-year past limit.
Of course, Hogan was lying through his teeth, and deserves to get booted out; and pay for the cost of the retrial.
He did disclose the fact he was a patent owner. I don't believe Samsung is claiming he didn't.
Samsung is not claiming he didn't disclose his patent. They are claiming he was pro-patent in a crooked sort of way, by his own admission.
Samsung also suggests that Hogan didn't disclose how pro-patent he was when asked in court whether he had "strong feelings" about the US patent system.
it was Apple which probed Samsung's timing of their knowledge about Hogan's past.... a question which they themselves failed to answer when Samsung's lawyers filed a rebuttal. Very strange... looks like Apple could get hoisted by their own petard... and rightfully so!
If more than 44 different patent holders demand their 2.25 percent of a particular product, then what is left for the device's manufacturer?
Very good question. Considering that the average smartphone infringes about 20,000 patents, very likely to happen as well.
At long last, the idiotic patent system will get fixed.
In the medium term, the open source Android is largely superior compared to the proprietary shit doled out by Apple and Microsoft; hence it needs all the support and ammunition it can get.
Do you have a circular television or a triangular radio? What is so innovative about a rectangular shape that is slightly rounded at the edges? My Casio calculator 30 years ago had the same shape.
Why can't they leave MS alone or at least sue them themselves?
Actually, since Google have acquired Motorola Mobility fully; it is Google vs Microsoft.
MS is the one not leaving Android alone. They are threatening Android OEMs into patent licenses for their ridiculously stupid patent portfolio. Many top OEMs like HTC recently, Barnes and Noble etc. have succumbed and are paying more money to Microsoft than to Google for using Android.
So Google decided to acquire Motorola Mobility and take Microsoft head-on to prevent further damage to the Android ecosystem.
how is some essential shit like wifi so burdened with patents?
Worse shit like rounded rectangles, and locations and shapes of icons have been awarded patents. Besides, Motorola did not sue first; they are merely defending the unfair pitched battle against Android.
Not true. Microsoft sued Motorola Mobility (well known patent troll) because of FRAND patents.
You are the one making untrue statements. Motorola Mobility has competing products in the market, hence it is not a troll by any stretch. They are offering their WiFi patents in a FRAND compliant manner at 2.25% to ALL licensees.
It sounds like Motorola has patented using Wi-Fi on tablets.
Are we really handing patents out for this?
Yes, indeed. Motorola has got patents on WiFi technology on pretty much any device. But consider: Apple has patents on the external shape and icons of the iPad. That is infinitely much worse; and even worse is that Apple feels that 'innovation' is worth $20 per device copying the rounded rectangular shape.
Before you get your panties in a twist; consider this: Apple and Microsoft are extorting about $20 to $30 for rounded corners and filename conventions.
But both companies have the same intention: To crush Android; because it is FOSS and neither can compete fairly with FOSS.
Motorola brings much more valuable technology to the table, and common sense would indicate it is more valuable than rounded corners.
In this specific case, I feel the ends justify the means.
I think the judge has not yet said the final word. This sanction is only for the delayed newspaper ads and the non-compliant website ad. When they find the message in the UK homepage is specially designed to make the message invisible except after scrolling; the judge might impose more sanctions and maybe even fines. The subsequent javascript edit does not hide the fact that the UK page is differently designed compared to other pages.Apple's mischief has not stopped, yet...
apple doesn't have much FRAND patents but they have a lot of non-FRAND patents that others want.
What? You mean those stupid patents on rounded corners and arranging icons in a row? Others may want such 'features' but they ought not have been allowed to be patented in the first place.
Apple didn't make "rounded corners" part of a standard
Apple didn't make rounded corners - period; many others did that way before them. The stupid patent office shouldn't have issued patents on such silly things to Apple. And Apple should've been decent enough not to sue others over such trivial pathetic matters.
I do not understand why the same company which sued others over some lousy rounded corners refuses to pay royalties over others' patents?
Why is this hard to understand? Apple is an American company, and that makes it the best in the World, without any question. Like all Americans and American companies, it needs to be protected from the jihadists............. er competition; else there will be thermo-nuclear warfare and the infidels must be destroyed. Every patriotic judge has a duty to protect Apple, the great American company.
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All I can say is: GREAT! Lets have more of this.
A patent grants a monopoly on an invention for about 19 years. Steve Jobs not only stole other people's ideas; he applied for and got patents on some of them. And worse, he was using those patents not just as a defense; he wanted to destroy alternate models of computing.
In the computing world, the WALLED GARDEN, or JAIL approach followed by Apple is a minority. Or atleast it is, in the desktop space. Apple's phenomenal success in the tablet and phone space is admirable, but very BAD for the rest of the ecosystem.
According to the 'expert' referenced, Apple still has thousands of patents in these areas of computing; and the loss of 1 or 2 patents will not make any impact overall. So I hope more of these stupid patents get tossed out, and open computing platforms thrive in all form factors, including mobile and touch devices.
As a (up till now) satisfied owner of Apple products,
Some people prefer to live in (well furnished) jails and prisons like you; where food is served for free. Fine. But there are thousands of times more people who wish to use low cost, high value, 'open' platforms to do their work. Granting a patent on trivial things and Apple refusing to license such patents to others will only bring untold misery to the entire IT ecosystem.
all I can say is: Good.
Wrong. Bad. Apple was an innovative company when they were not so cash-strapped. Now they have billions in cash, and worse, Steve Jobs personally felt that merely having enormous piles of cash was not sufficient; he wanted to 'destroy' Android as a matter of principle. He was willing to go thermonuclear in his so called agenda. With such an attitude of a sociopath; he was least bothered about the collateral damage a thermonuclear battle would inflict on others, and his own company as well.
With such a narrow-minded jerk armed with piles of money, it maybe Good, for YOU ; but for non-Apple users, who are a much bigger majority, it is very very bad.
Also, the patent office needs to be shut down.
Also, a complete rejection of all claims of a given patent is potentially more devastating than one affecting only some claims.
All of 20 claims mentioned in the patent and issued by the USTPO have been rejected. Does this not prove that the issuing office has no right to exist in the first place? Millions have been lost litigating this absurdity. .
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Apple would lose two iconic patents, but it would still have thousands of other patents, including hundreds of multitouch patents
More evidence that the patent office should suffer the 'thermonuclear' treatment that Steve Jobs spoke about. The two so called iconic patents have been completely rubbished; but hundreds more yet to come. So this Florian scourge is not just happy that millions have already been sunk to the lawyers and courts with 2 patents; he is sitting smug in his seat dreaming about how hundreds more such patents will keep him and so called 'patent-experts' like him, employed for life.
Why those assholes take years to determine 'full' invalidity is beyond me.
Also, this patent show up Steve Jobs for the sociopath asshole that he was. Patenting a 'complete solution' is okay; patenting a small process or a way of operating a device is a fundamentally flawed approach to granting patents in the first place.
Meanwhile, millions have been lost fighting this useless patent, and HTC were idiots to settle, etc etc
Dog Crap can be composted to yield useful manure. A Windows8 DVD, on the other hand....
the vast majority of Android users are people buying it because the phones are cheap. You mean low cost, not cheap. Android phones can do everything an iPhone or Windows Phone does, at a lower cost. So it is not cheap, it is a more valuable option for the customer. And the reason for that is because the underlying platform is more 'open' and less tightly controlled by a bunch of perverted sadists and corporate trolls.
True. I didn't want to embarrass myself, so posted Anonymously. But +4 Informative??!!! Looks like the MS shills can't even see such stupid attempts at humour. Clueless bunch of idiots!
However, during the jury selection the judge asked Hogan whether he was involved in any litigation, he answered correctly that he was involved in some litigation a few years ago, and the judge then forgot to ask him if he was involved in any other litigation.
Please do not spout such bullshit. The judge asked everyone if they were EVER involved in any prior litigation. Hogan half-assedly replied that he was involved in 1 litigation; but conveniently and untruthfully left out the Seagate litigation. He claimed in an interview that he did not mention the Seagate litigation because it was more than 10 years past; and that the judge specified a 10-year past limit.
Of course, Hogan was lying through his teeth, and deserves to get booted out; and pay for the cost of the retrial.
He did disclose the fact he was a patent owner. I don't believe Samsung is claiming he didn't.
Samsung is not claiming he didn't disclose his patent. They are claiming he was pro-patent in a crooked sort of way, by his own admission.
Samsung also suggests that Hogan didn't disclose how pro-patent he was when asked in court whether he had "strong feelings" about the US patent system.
it was Apple which probed Samsung's timing of their knowledge about Hogan's past.... a question which they themselves failed to answer when Samsung's lawyers filed a rebuttal. Very strange... looks like Apple could get hoisted by their own petard... and rightfully so!
If more than 44 different patent holders demand their 2.25 percent of a particular product, then what is left for the device's manufacturer?
Very good question. Considering that the average smartphone infringes about 20,000 patents, very likely to happen as well.
At long last, the idiotic patent system will get fixed.
In the medium term, the open source Android is largely superior compared to the proprietary shit doled out by Apple and Microsoft; hence it needs all the support and ammunition it can get.
There are many ways to create devices
Do you have a circular television or a triangular radio? What is so innovative about a rectangular shape that is slightly rounded at the edges? My Casio calculator 30 years ago had the same shape.
Why can't they leave MS alone or at least sue them themselves?
Actually, since Google have acquired Motorola Mobility fully; it is Google vs Microsoft.
MS is the one not leaving Android alone. They are threatening Android OEMs into patent licenses for their ridiculously stupid patent portfolio. Many top OEMs like HTC recently, Barnes and Noble etc. have succumbed and are paying more money to Microsoft than to Google for using Android.
So Google decided to acquire Motorola Mobility and take Microsoft head-on to prevent further damage to the Android ecosystem.
how is some essential shit like wifi so burdened with patents?
Worse shit like rounded rectangles, and locations and shapes of icons have been awarded patents. Besides, Motorola did not sue first; they are merely defending the unfair pitched battle against Android.
Not true. Microsoft sued Motorola Mobility (well known patent troll) because of FRAND patents.
You are the one making untrue statements. Motorola Mobility has competing products in the market, hence it is not a troll by any stretch. They are offering their WiFi patents in a FRAND compliant manner at 2.25% to ALL licensees.
It sounds like Motorola has patented using Wi-Fi on tablets.
Are we really handing patents out for this?
Yes, indeed. Motorola has got patents on WiFi technology on pretty much any device. But consider: Apple has patents on the external shape and icons of the iPad. That is infinitely much worse; and even worse is that Apple feels that 'innovation' is worth $20 per device copying the rounded rectangular shape.
Before you get your panties in a twist; consider this: Apple and Microsoft are extorting about $20 to $30 for rounded corners and filename conventions.
But both companies have the same intention: To crush Android; because it is FOSS and neither can compete fairly with FOSS.
Motorola brings much more valuable technology to the table, and common sense would indicate it is more valuable than rounded corners.
In this specific case, I feel the ends justify the means.
Actually, it appears the rats (Ballmer and co.) are holding on to the sinking ship and driving the cats away....the ship will sink faster that way.
If he hasn't got any bad things to say about Microsoft, why is this news?
Because Microsoft executives had bad things to say about his latest product engineering effort?
that the new interface in Windows 8 bombed at the box office....
the beginning of the end, indeed.
I think the judge has not yet said the final word. This sanction is only for the delayed newspaper ads and the non-compliant website ad. When they find the message in the UK homepage is specially designed to make the message invisible except after scrolling; the judge might impose more sanctions and maybe even fines. The subsequent javascript edit does not hide the fact that the UK page is differently designed compared to other pages.Apple's mischief has not stopped, yet...
apple doesn't have much FRAND patents but they have a lot of non-FRAND patents that others want.
What? You mean those stupid patents on rounded corners and arranging icons in a row? Others may want such 'features' but they ought not have been allowed to be patented in the first place.
Apple didn't make "rounded corners" part of a standard
Apple didn't make rounded corners - period; many others did that way before them. The stupid patent office shouldn't have issued patents on such silly things to Apple. And Apple should've been decent enough not to sue others over such trivial pathetic matters.
I do not understand why the same company which sued others over some lousy rounded corners refuses to pay royalties over others' patents?
Why is this hard to understand? Apple is an American company, and that makes it the best in the World, without any question. Like all Americans and American companies, it needs to be protected from the jihadists............. er competition; else there will be thermo-nuclear warfare and the infidels must be destroyed. Every patriotic judge has a duty to protect Apple, the great American company.
Apple also said it would ignore the court's order
Steve Jobs should've been alive.... and witnessed the humiliation his so-called thermonuclear war is bringing onto his beloved company.