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Windows Phone 8 Users Hit Some Snags
symbolset writes "As reported on The Verge, many people are experiencing freezing, rebooting and battery problems on their new Windows Phone 8 devices. This WP8Central thread shows many of the issues. Affected devices include Lumia 920 and HTC 8X." Every phone and every OS has its problems, and happy users probably aren't as vocal; it would be good to know how Windows Phone users who are also iOS and Android users compare them for reliability.
So no vocal complaints from me. Love the phone, wish the app ecosystem were a bit better, especially having been on iOS for many years. I suppose I still have my iPad 3 for that!
I have not faced a single, tiny issue with Windows Phone 8. I have not used it for the past 1 month. Actually I have not used it for the past 1 year or even more.
Possibly they will get better quick, I seem to remember my first aneroid device had some pretty odd behavior as well.....
...on Windows. Isn't that normal?
Why are people complaining?
They told them they where going to give them windows on a phone. They bought windows on a phone. Random reboots, completely unstable, uses up all resources including battery, the only solution is to wipe it out and start over, and even then you end up with a broken device. Sounds like they managed to port the whole windows experience, I don't get the complains. Maybe it's the lack of a blue screen of dead that's bothering them?
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
My Samsung Character R640 running Symbian is working absolutely flawlessly and is getting battery life of approx 2 weeks. Thanks for asking about Symbian in that summary.
Had it for a bit under a week, so far no glitches and I'm really loving it!
They're getting all the Microsoft shills to post in defense of this knowing they're the only ones that would claim to own a Windows 8 phone.
All you needed was this keyboard
hilarious
Oooh this is turning into one of those delightful anecdotal evidence threads! My Android phone is usually quite stable. Every so often "contacts" crashes, bringing down the ability to dial numbers. Basically my phone forgets its a phone, but remembers to be a portable computer. When I had an iphone for work, it was rock solid stable.
I wonder how stable the various phones are on the whole? A proper study would be fascinating.
It's that metrosexual interface going down on itself all the time!
Gee, I've had two friends in the last week also report their iphone 5s locking up and freezing. Guess this is âoenewsâ as well. And oh, here's an Apple forum with ooo a whole 25 replies on it about the iphone 5 freezing.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4396519?start=0&tstart=0
So how bout some real comparisons here instead of cherrypicking? How bout a satisfaction survey of 920 owners? Maybe some real journalistic work perhaps? How bout numerically compare the satisfaction of 920 owners to the rest of the field? Too defensible? Too much work?
http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Lumia-920-Windows-Phone/product-reviews/B00A2V7FCS/ref=sr_1_2_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
Btw, one SKU of the Lumia is currently #3 across all carriers on Amazon and moving up every day despite limited production. Whereâ(TM)s the story on that?
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Cell-Phones-Accessories-Service-Plans/zgbs/wireless/2407747011/ref=zg_bs_nav_cps_1_cps
..and it lasts longer on a charge than my Galaxy Nexus ever did. I've had one reboot. I used to get freezes and reboots on occasion with the Gnex too. Overall it's been fine. More responsive and reliable than the last 2 Androids I've had.
You aren't hearing from any, BECAUSE there are none
I had a Motorola Milestone (international version of the original Droid) for a while, now running a Lumia 800. The Milestone would die at least once a day, and the battery would last maybe 10 hours if I left it completely alone. Even though the Milestone was a flagship Android phone at one point, I could write a giant TL;DR post about the problems I had with that phone.
My Lumia gets over 30 hours of battery on a single charge and has yet to crash or even do anything unexpected in the 6 months I've owned it. The difference in the quality of the phones is so night and day I can't imagine that a WP8 phone would be any worse than an Android.
-1 overrated isn't the same thing as "I disagree".
Why is this news? Was this not expected?
Oh wait .. I missed "some" ..
Good job guys!
--whacky
And a USB-to-serial adaptor.
does that count?
as much as you are an AC and we hardly trust you. I owned several iPhone (now i5) and never experienced a crash - not even once.
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
Isn't that a list of top built-in features of the Android OS?
You should install DragonVale on it and see how often it doesn't, err, crash.
Hello,
It would be interesting to know the scope of the problem(s), and how to exercise the(se) bug(s).
I have had a Nokia Lumia 920 for just under a week now (replacing my year old Nokia Lumia 900) and have not noted any performance or battery-life related issues with it. Admittedly, I have not done that much with it yet, as I am still reloading applications onto it (an area which is keen for improvement), but I have to say it has worked consistently without problem.
I wonder if the problems are due to a specific application or manufacturer-applied configuration.
Regards,
Aryeh Goretsky
Dexter is a good dog.
I stopped worrying about battery life when I finally made the mental leap from "it's a phone with lots of features" to "it's cool little computer that also makes phone calls."
Considering all that I use it for, sixteen to twenty hours on a charge is pretty damned good for a computer that fits in my pocket.
FWIW - Nexus S Android GB, ICS, JB: No really crashes or serious problems. CM9 on the same phone - lots of wierdness.
Three Squirrels
I have an Omnia i910 on the Bell network here in Canada..It has all the problems mentioned in this article. I have to reboot it all the time, it changes its battery usage and after reloading the os to original settings it will start to use the battery correctly again. Bluetooth causes it to crash if a call is dropped, all sorts of stupid software problems.
WTF are the coders in Redmond doing, sounds like they just recycle shit code and then patch it for the new releases. The second release of Win mobile to >6.1 fixed these problems...but Bell does not offer the patched OS! The assholes (%#*&%
I am almost willing to bet the same shit will happen with the first releases of Win Phone8 ...Bell and others will just sit there on their collective asses and wait for the contract to expire and then offer to recycle your old Nokia or HTC windows 8 piece of shit phone ..which is what they are doing with all their contract phones that they do not push software updates for!
Perhaps software glitches on Smart Phones are seen as little more than an opportunity to screw over customers buy making sure that they want to get rid of them at end of contract.
My prediction is that cell phones which are now 500 dollars plus will essentially be worthless like a 2 year old Windows laptop and that this bullshit is intentional collusion to obsolete devices by the manufactures with the acquiescence of the providers and software companies.
We live in a throw away society but this is starting to be ridiculous and will eventually bight us all in the ass because of our greed and stupidity!
Fuck that! Take your beatings like iPhone and Android. Jeezo, Microsoft (and your shills) you're a frick'n baby.
The real Sig captains the Northwestern. This one captains
try an iphone... you will feel better about your ice cream sandwich :)
typo: "above" should be "themselves"
can't use ice-cream sandwich, it makes my teeth hurt.
There was an unknown error in the submission.
they left us with a December.
It sounds as if you can't expect much robustness from smartphones these days, can you?
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
Thanks to the joy of distance selling regulations, my wife has had her Lumia 920 returned. It, after a day, decided to freeze approximately 30 minutes after every power cycle. Not only that, the wireless charging doesn't work properly and the operating system is slightly clunky in places (moreso than windows phone 7.5 which tbh wasn't all that bad). It would be a good device if it wasn't for these issues. Oh and the music app is basically a large advertising platform. I've just dumped my Lumia 710 for a Nexus 4, which so far seems reasonable but not anything overly special. She has gone back to her Galaxy ace.
Glad I didn'tget sucked into buying the hTC 8X as I ws thinking of - great device - crap OS no doubt..
"As reported on The Verge, many people are experiencing freezing, rebooting and battery problems on their new Windows Phone 8 devices. This WP8Central thread shows many of the issues. Affected devices include Lumia 920 and HTC 8X."
Windows rebooting to avoid pink screen of death or whatever crappy screen they have now. I feel most sorry for Nokia Lumia 920 users - they're not the smartest for buying a 185gram tank of a phone, >10 mm thick, with jagged edges, and now a crap OS - not too smart, uncomfortable, and inconvenienced - a horrid combination
Everything since is bug fixes that ought to be free, and moving the buttons to get you to buy it again.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
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Try rebooting to see if you get your keyboard back. Then tell us which smartphone you're using.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
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The only time I have had "issues" with my android devices is when I had the Amazon App store loaded on my phone(s). I am pretty selective about the software I install on my phones/tablets as I know what role apps can play in the stability of the environment. All was great at the beginning but a few updates down the road and the next thing I knew problems were happening. Apps force-closing and reboots. I went about removing different things then putting them back when no difference occurred. Finally, I got to the innocent Amazon App store and things got notably better... and worse.
Turns out, that when I removed the Amazon App store, none of my apps would work! At least not the apps which I had acquired through them. Then I was like "ah ha!" Amazon was doing something not just to my phone, but also to the apps on my phone. Factory reset and reinstall of my apps (not through Amazon) and things were better after that. My wife's got that phone now. Stable as stable can be... also, it runs a Team Whiskey ROM on it. (Did I mention I don't like to run stock carrier ROMs? It's not like you can trust them.)
My current phone is better still but I'm waiting for the next round of Nexus 4 phones. Funny. So many people couldn't get their phone and at the same time, eBay is flooded with that phone priced around $600 or more. Oh how I'd love to visit those jerks. These are the same people go go around flipping houses. I recall in the early days of the housing bubble burst. I was in Texas where the housing economy was largely not affected and the news was starving for some local tragedy stories. They finally found one... this guy was almost in tears... he was a house flipper and could flip his houses and was stuck with them. Dumbass. I hope he burns in hell.
no freezes, no reboots, no lockups.
same with my vibrant running 2.3, when i updated it to 4.1 i had some issues but they were related to a badly baked rom, not the phone or OS. =)
all in all, no issues with any of my android devices that weren't bad rom related.
My Razr maxx regularly skips while playing music. I have to wait 20 seconds for the home screen to load after I quit an app. And last week, the phone locked up on the "incoming call" screen. I had to do a hard reboot.
What the hell did you expect buying a Motorola smartphone ?
some people arn't such a weak little girl that can't lift 185 grams, also lets see your phone do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDEahsoa_N4&noredirect=1 .
I've had nothing but good experiences with WP7.5 software, which leads me to believe that WP8 could be worth considering. That said, I'm waiting until/if RIM manages to get their BBX hardware out before using my next contract upgrade, as I'd strongly prefer a phone with a hardware QWERTY board. On two different WP devices (HTC Surround and Samsung Focus), the software performed faultlessly. That said, one of the primary concerns for many users (apps) is a non-starter for me, since the only apps I require are an RPN calculator and Facebook (a necessary evil). [All I really want is good call quality, decent battery life, email, calendaring, and a bit of light web browsing/photography). Frankly, WP7.5 was near, if not at the top of, my mobile OS experiences, which include: WebOS (Palm Pixi Plus, HP Veer), iOS (iPhone 4 and original), Android (1.x and 2.x on HTC Hero, Motorola i1, Samsung Captivate), Symbian S60 (Nokia E66, E90, 6650), Symbian UIQ (SE P800, M600i), Blackberry OS 6 (9800), WM 6.0 (iMate Ultimate 8150, Toshiba G910), etc., along with the WP7.5 devices. My other favorite was WebOS, but it was really too buggy. So...erm...I spend far too much time on phones. And Windows Phone is really pretty good (this coming from a former Apple evangelist (they lost me after Snow Leopard)/Linux user who tolerates, rather than enjoys Windows.
I have an iphone 4s and a lumia 920. I bet mosrt of the crashes and freezes are due to people using windows phone 7 apps on a windows phone 8 phone. MOST apps on the store are for the previous operating system. They make it difficult in the store to figure out if its native or not.
I have only had one lockup and that was because of a windows phone 7 app.
I've had a Windows Phone 7 phone, including the upgrade of the OS, it's required maybe that many restarts in the past 1.5 years - this is about the same over a given duration as my use of the iPhone4s while over seas, and as some of my friends with good Androids. A lot better than the two crap androids I've had.
Note: I'd actually recommend most people get a good Android phone over a Windows phone, but if you are going to criticize the phone, criticize it on it's flaws, it's got enough of them, don't try to invent shit.
You should mention *which* version of the phone you've had.
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
what did you expect?
lol using open source crap on a phone, u got what u deserved bro
I want to see it succeed. Why? Because it will help drive innovation for iOS and Android. Heck, I'm even pulling for Blackberry. From an end user standpoint, the more we have to choose from the better. So sure, WP8 might stumble a bit out of the gate but it will get better. Even WebOS with it's swipe-to-close-the-app feature had something to add...a feature that Android adopted.
I've seen the WP8 phones but not had a chance to use one yet. Honestly, it didn't seem half bad. The app ecosystem is going to lag for a bit but I think that most of the essential apps are already there. Should be interesting.
Do /.ers like ANYTHING other than Linux?
but if you are going to criticize X, criticize it on it's flaws, it's got enough of them, don't try to invent shit.
Yes, probably off-topic, but I've found myself saying exactly that in pretty much every conversation I've had regarding religion, politics, and economic policy for the last five years. It's sad to see it's now infected technology.
Windows Phone, 8 Users Hit Some Snags
Is staggering, on both sides of the fence. No wonder /.'s creators all split. Jesus.
Meego is coming back, no reasons to switch to iOS,wp8 or Android.
Android: Good, but the lack of updates is annoying except for Nexus devices
iOS: updated, stable, good looking, it only lacks of customization....
Windows Phone 8: Buggy, based on windows, IE, everything to hate it. But the metro interface is nice.
Tizen: Cool piece of software, lacks of hardware and software.
WebOS: Powerfull, now opensource and works on a good and cheap tablet, it have a good futur!
They are making their desktop OS more like a phone/tablet. And making their phone OS more like the desktop (cerca 1995, unfortunately).
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What're error traps in code for, crutchy?
Outside of the Samsungs, they've all been exceptionally stable
Not so sure about the transform, but about 6-8mo in my GS2 starting having major stability issues. I had originally assumed it was from an update a little earlier, but I noticed that it would start to bog down, then spontaneously reboot shortly after, with a noticeable drop in battery charge after the reboot. After I replaced the battery on the phone, the stability issues mostly went away, and it's been good to go since.
Phones aren't about technology anymore. It's about fashion nowadays.
Write boring code, not shiny code!
This new Win 8 phone is the most sophisticated machine Ive seen as for phones. Wonderful smoothness for the Nokis 920. No mess ups so far. Great customizing ability, all works etc. Just need to get new Zune or iTune type of media management and sync client. They are working on a "WinTUNE" type of iTune thingy.
Most of those haven't really caused me any serious issues with my normal use, but, with what I have had the patience to read on your rather exhaustive list, I also cannot find fault in it either.
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
There is an issue with syncing Google accounts WPCentral , which seems to be more an issue of Google changing their API rather than a bug as such with the phones.
From my own experience with an HTC 8X I had to reset the phone and reinstall apps (no biggy) I set Gmail to forward to Hotmail and copied over all the contacts and since then it has run flawlessly. Battery life with light use is up to three days
"Our opponent is an alien starship packed with atomic bombs," I said. "we have a protractor"
My HTC 8x is much more reliable than google nexus s android phone. No crashes or restarts since purchased...
You realize almost all of those apply to Android and iOS as well (naturally the ones that don't have interchangeable ones that do). Remove all the ones that don't apply to Android and iOS as well and you'll have a pretty non-existent list.
Wow that list is seriously outdated. The top 5 are just plain wrong or irrelevant. I didn't bother reading after that. Quit trolling.
YOUR "CODE" lacked error trapping here -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (if you call using prebuilt functions coding, that is - more like a kid using legos, lol!)...
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Additionally - Didn't YOU say THIS also in regards to coding:
"...cos we all try to write code that "looks cool" and you know, writing code that functions and easy to debug is all of secondary importance" - by crutchy (1949900) on Sunday November 18, @02:55AM (#42017605)
FROM -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42017605
"?"
QUESTION - Where's YOUR code that functions AND is easy to debug?
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It isn't - LMAO:
* You write code like a NOOB does, completely omitting error trapping... and the proof's right in that 1st link above!
APK
P.S.=> Lastly/Again - Funny my code ran 5x perfectly here too, eh?
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42014943
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016015
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42014957
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42014957
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42015649
(As well as 100's of times the past 1.5-2 yrs. now using it vs. trolls like yourself... perfect, every single time!)
* Care to EXPLAIN those PERFECT OUTPUTS, (lol) 'CruTcHy'?
So much for this "tidbit" from you, eh (lol) 'CruTcHy':
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"i have never been talking about the code that you actually run in your python interpreter" - by crutchy (1949900) on Sunday November 18, @04:02AM (#42017797)
Man - First of all - You can't even write ENGLISH properly - sentences begin with capital letters
Perhaps it's MY FAULT here, lol (not)... How on EARTH could I expect you to write maintainable code WITH error trapping?
Clue/New NEWS/NewsFlash: That's the code of MINE'S providing WHAT YOU NEED shown in the links above (& for others like you, as trolls, probably you posting again as ac)... lmao!
What's THAT kids? Oh, yes - that's right: You GUESSED IT - A dose of "ReVeRsE-PsyChoLoGy"... lmao!
... apk
YOUR "CODE" lacked error trapping here -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (if you call using prebuilt functions coding, that is - more like a kid using legos, lol!)...
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Additionally - Didn't YOU say THIS also, in regards to coding:
"...cos we all try to write code that "looks cool" and you know, writing code that functions and easy to debug is all of secondary importance" - by crutchy (1949900) on Sunday November 18, @02:55AM (#42017605)
FROM -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42017605
"?"
QUESTION - Where's YOUR code that functions AND is easy to debug?
---
It isn't - LMAO:
* You write code like a NOOB does, completely omitting error trapping... and the proof's right in that 1st link above!
APK
P.S.=> Lastly/Again - Funny my code ran 5x perfectly here too, eh?
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http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42014943
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016015
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42014957
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42014957
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42015649
---
(As well as 100's of times the past 1.5-2 yrs. now using it vs. trolls like yourself... perfect, every single time!)
* Care to EXPLAIN those PERFECT OUTPUTS, (lol) 'CruTcHy'?
So much for this "tidbit" from you, eh (lol) 'CruTcHy':
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"i have never been talking about the code that you actually run in your python interpreter" - by crutchy (1949900) on Sunday November 18, @04:02AM (#42017797)
Man - First of all - You can't even write ENGLISH properly - sentences begin with capital letters!
Perhaps it's MY FAULT here, lol (not)... How on EARTH could I expect you to write maintainable code WITH error trapping?
Clue/New NEWS/NewsFlash: That's the code of MINE'S providing WHAT YOU NEED shown in the links above (& for others like you, as trolls, probably you posting again as ac)... rotflmao!
What's THAT kids? Oh, yes - that's right: You GUESSED IT - A dose of "ReVeRsE-PsyChoLoGy"... lmao!
... apk
YOUR "CODE" lacked error trapping here -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (if you call using prebuilt functions coding, that is - more like a kid using legos, lol!)...
---
Additionally - Didn't YOU say THIS also, in regards to coding:
"...cos we all try to write code that "looks cool" and you know, writing code that functions and easy to debug is all of secondary importance" - by crutchy (1949900) on Sunday November 18, @02:55AM (#42017605)
FROM -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42017605
"?"
QUESTION - Where's YOUR code that functions AND is easy to debug?
---
It isn't - LMAO:
* You write code like a NOOB does, completely omitting error trapping... and the proof's right in that 1st link above!
APK
P.S.=> Lastly/Again - Funny my code ran 5x perfectly here too, eh?
---
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42014943
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016015
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42014957
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42014957
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42015649
---
(As well as 100's of times the past 1.5-2 yrs. now using it vs. trolls like yourself... perfect, every single time!)
* Care to EXPLAIN those PERFECT OUTPUTS, (lol) 'CruTcHy'?
So much for this "tidbit" from you, eh (lol) 'CruTcHy':
---
"i have never been talking about the code that you actually run in your python interpreter" - by crutchy (1949900) on Sunday November 18, @04:02AM (#42017797)
Man - First of all - You can't even write ENGLISH properly - sentences begin with capital letters!
Perhaps it's MY FAULT here, lol (not)... How on EARTH could I expect you to write maintainable code WITH error trapping?
Clue/New NEWS/Newsflash : That's the code of MINE'S providing WHAT YOU NEED shown in the links above (& for others like you, as trolls, probably you posting again as ac)... rotflmao!
What's THAT kids? Oh, yes - that's right: You GUESSED IT - A dose of "ReVeRsE-PsyChoLoGy"... lmao!
... apk