look at the nigerian 409 scams. Its a matter of time. It may be a US issue now, but what about next year? You are NOT thinking long term.
The drug kingpin analogy may not have been as good as possible... but it is NOT fatally flawed. If you invest $10 on a CD with 10,000,000 email addresses with a rate of return of.01% on a $50 profit, and spend $100 on a server and an internet connection, well, that is still a profit and you can throw thousands in prison and throw away the key but there will always be others looking to cash in and capitalise on th void left by the spammers carted off to prison.
Your insistance that this is a purely American issue that can be mitigated (long term) by the US legal system is truely and without a doubt an ignorant position to take. Again, convince me otherwise. You can reduce American spammers, but that does not end (or even reduce) the overall level of spam. Period.
so yeah, lets prosecute one person and punish them for the potential sins of 200 people. That's no better!
And really now, if you eliminate those 200 individuals completely overnight, whats to say that within x weeks/months/years the problem wouldn't be just as bad or worse? We are dealing with a GLOBAL issue, not something that can be completely legislated via the US courts.
(i.e. Take out one drug kingpin with a life sentence, look how many more are just waiting to take over...)
the barier to enry is so low, the profits so high, there will ALWAYS be people willing to risk what ever punishment is doled out. Especially in the developing world.
Going forward, even in the very near future its simply not a viable solution. Convince me otherwise.
Nope -- a single spammer does not have the ability to completely destroy e-mail as a usable medium of communication with their crime if not deterred. Period.
You are suggesting that one person bear the responsability and pay the price for the possible future actions of tens of thousands of others, which is a form of "justice" that is quite counter to American ideals and principles, in my opinion.
I see nothing wrong with assuming US residents know English, and letting them select otherwise later
its the banking institution's perogative... I'm assuming "they" were responsible for the way the ATM checks first for language preference. I'm also assuming that "they" have a better grasp of the needs and desires of their local and national client base than you or I;)
besides, assuming you can speak english is one thing; assuming you would be as comfortable performing basic financial transactions in it as your native language is quite another...
I couldn't diagram a sentnce if my life depended upon it. Having a large vocabulary (which I gather you obtained at an early age) is no replacement for an in depth understanding of the language itself.
Evolution can explain certain aspects of our Cosmos reasonably well, but has severe problems with others. The origin of information is one of them. This subject was not given much thought in Darwin's time, but with the advent of advanced information processing devices, much work has been and is still being done on information theory. One of the goals of information science is to come up with a self-programming computer, but sofar no one has even developed a workable theory how that might be accomplished without supplying the needed information externally first.
self-programming computers?!?!? Sorry lets stick on topic. We can in a labratory create organic compounds from the basic interstellar mess that exists everywhere. Do your own fucking research, there is no excuse for your ignorance. You don't believe in evolution? Well then prove it wrong or shut the fuck up you stupid fuck
sorry I wouldn't normally be so profane but the sheer volume of ignorant fucking people like you in the U.S. scares me, lets have stem cell research, lets have a womans right to choose, because the American Justice system should not be held hostage to every whim that your religious leader decides to have.
Ignorance has no place in my school district... creationism included.
then, out of simple curiosity, why do mechanical engineering profs re-release edition after edition of their textbooks every 2 years, even when the field of, say, "Structural Mechanics" has not really evolved enough at all (at the undergraduate level at least) to warrant any text changes?
And why do the homework section questions change ever so subtly between releases so that you cannot use a 2 year old book for the same course?
i call shenannigans. There IS profit in authoring textbooks. If the professors are not pocketing the profits, I think they may have signed an unsatisfactory contract with their publishers
Companies are not responsible for military type security.
Compainies are responsible for protecting the data they collect. If they can't properly protect it, then they shouldn't have it- period.
I don't want to have to pay an extra 10% for my car so Ford can pay network security people outrageous salaries to protect my costumer information.
Outrageous and completely uneducated assumption. A decently trained and competant IT staff may cost more, but that is simply a cost of doing business in todays world. The IT security overhead incurred by Ford ($170 Billion in revenues for FY 2004) is less than peanuts. Maybe it should be more, not less as you argue.
It is extortion by the computer security people.
maybe youd like to argue that crime is extortion by the police department? or fire extortion by the fire department? Or heart disease extortion by the heart surgions?
The people who go to "Happy Hour" in DC are generally NOT all (or even mostly) DC residents- they are the ones who commute in from good 'ole VA and MD, and go out for a few drinks after work before heading home.
I am a DC resident, and make no mistake about it- the position of the vast majority of DC natives was consistant and most definately against the Iraq war.
To get a true taste of exactly how strongly opposed to the war most people were in DC, without the VA and MD commuters, you should have walked around the streets during the initial "March to War", or the Inauguration (when the tear gas permitted, of course).
There is no inconsistancy between DC's voting habits and the tragic war in Iraq, if that is what you were suggesting.
I agree, but I think the side that has the drones will not...
certainly, they will only be used to secure democracy, free enslaved peoples around the world, and protect against WMD's.
Really, I live in the US, I was out at happy hour at Mackies in DC when Bush made the announcement that we were going to invade Iraq.... everyone cheered. They bought rounds of shots for eachother. It was disgusting- you don't celebrate the start of a war, you celebrate it's end. We are already as sanitized to the violence, pain, and suffering of others. Just so long as it doesn't happin "on our soil".
Who mods this crap "Insightful"??? How about "Outright Lie" or "Woefully Misinformed"?
where did you get 80%?
Even the Bush whitehouse is downplaying the importance of the elections these days. Things really are "That Horrible", as you say:
The administration continues to say publicly that it expects a significant Sunni turnout, citing an International Republican Institute poll in early December showing 20 percent of Sunnis intend to vote and 35 percent intend "somewhat" to vote. But in light of the insurgents' growing attacks on election and government officials since that survey, U.S. officials fear last-minute attacks on polling stations, candidates and voters will produce a much smaller turnout among the minority group that once dominated Iraq. One unofficial estimate already predicts a vote as low as 10 percent in some areas.
Sunnis represent about 30% of the total population of Iraq, BTW.
I have it on good authority (after 6 years of undergraduate studies) that an excess of alcohol consumption alone leads to violence and violent behavior in certain people.
a combination of caffeinated mixers and alcohol is what it is... a tasty cockail.
can't really build up a good credit history with that kind of paranoia... historical length of credit lines is a huge determining factor in your credit score!
your parent might have been cracking a joke... but how true... I suppose when your millions of miles away on the martian surface, the old saying applies several orders of magnitude more:
As the global economy relies more and more on computers to conduct comerce, I for one am glad that computer crimes are being treated quite seriously.
Well, if only "people" decided to take network admin security anywhere near as seriously we'd be in good shape, no? Running a major e-commerce chain over unsecured wireless. wtf.
(By the way, there have been something like 4 cybersecurity czars over the past 5 years in the US... they keep stepping down 'cause no one takes them seriously.)
Just because it is a computer, and just because there was no physical harm to someone, doesn't mean that the crime is not a damaging crime. And with the concerns running about for identity theft, the sentence seems appropriate.
This guy got about (if not more than) the average rapist or murder gets. If you think the headache of taking your credit seriously, checking it for inconsistencies often (as you should be doing anyways, identity theft or not- mistakes are made)and dealing with rude phone calls from mistaken debt collectors is anywhere near as bad as losing your life or getting physically raped, then you need a SERIOUS reality check.
I mean jesus, look at the total and complete financial consequences of the Enron gang, Martha Stuart et all (including the lessening public trust of investing your money) and try to tell me this loser and his packet sniffing dumbass should be in a federal pm in the a prison for NINE YEARS.
The video (for me) was oddly enough an upside-down and backwards screencapture movie of his desktop. I couldn't tell the site URL- the resolution wasn't good enough- but I can tell you that there's b00bies in the popups in the movie, so don't go forwarding this link to your boss just yet;)
if app "A" that the company depends upon for their day to day operations and survival is supported by distribution "Y" and not "Z" then why would any sane individual waste their time (and, yes, company credibility.. because the CTO/CFO's time ain't cheap) trying to demo distribution "Z"????
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again. SHORT TERM SOLUTION.
.01% on a $50 profit, and spend $100 on a server and an internet connection, well, that is still a profit and you can throw thousands in prison and throw away the key but there will always be others looking to cash in and capitalise on th void left by the spammers carted off to prison.
look at the nigerian 409 scams. Its a matter of time. It may be a US issue now, but what about next year? You are NOT thinking long term.
The drug kingpin analogy may not have been as good as possible... but it is NOT fatally flawed. If you invest $10 on a CD with 10,000,000 email addresses with a rate of return of
Your insistance that this is a purely American issue that can be mitigated (long term) by the US legal system is truely and without a doubt an ignorant position to take. Again, convince me otherwise. You can reduce American spammers, but that does not end (or even reduce) the overall level of spam. Period.
so yeah, lets prosecute one person and punish them for the potential sins of 200 people. That's no better!
And really now, if you eliminate those 200 individuals completely overnight, whats to say that within x weeks/months/years the problem wouldn't be just as bad or worse? We are dealing with a GLOBAL issue, not something that can be completely legislated via the US courts.
(i.e. Take out one drug kingpin with a life sentence, look how many more are just waiting to take over...)
the barier to enry is so low, the profits so high, there will ALWAYS be people willing to risk what ever punishment is doled out. Especially in the developing world.
Going forward, even in the very near future its simply not a viable solution. Convince me otherwise.
Nope -- a single spammer does not have the ability to completely destroy e-mail as a usable medium of communication with their crime if not deterred. Period.
You are suggesting that one person bear the responsability and pay the price for the possible future actions of tens of thousands of others, which is a form of "justice" that is quite counter to American ideals and principles, in my opinion.
I see nothing wrong with assuming US residents know English, and letting them select otherwise later
;)
its the banking institution's perogative... I'm assuming "they" were responsible for the way the ATM checks first for language preference. I'm also assuming that "they" have a better grasp of the needs and desires of their local and national client base than you or I
besides, assuming you can speak english is one thing; assuming you would be as comfortable performing basic financial transactions in it as your native language is quite another...
ad hominem - i do not think this word means what you think it means...
if you asked me to diagram a sentence, I'd choke
I couldn't diagram a sentnce if my life depended upon it. Having a large vocabulary (which I gather you obtained at an early age) is no replacement for an in depth understanding of the language itself.
Evolution can explain certain aspects of our Cosmos reasonably well, but has severe problems with others. The origin of information is one of them. This subject was not given much thought in Darwin's time, but with the advent of advanced information processing devices, much work has been and is still being done on information theory. One of the goals of information science is to come up with a self-programming computer, but sofar no one has even developed a workable theory how that might be accomplished without supplying the needed information externally first.
self-programming computers?!?!? Sorry lets stick on topic. We can in a labratory create organic compounds from the basic interstellar mess that exists everywhere. Do your own fucking research, there is no excuse for your ignorance. You don't believe in evolution? Well then prove it wrong or shut the fuck up you stupid fuck
sorry I wouldn't normally be so profane but the sheer volume of ignorant fucking people like you in the U.S. scares me, lets have stem cell research, lets have a womans right to choose, because the American Justice system should not be held hostage to every whim that your religious leader decides to have.
Ignorance has no place in my school district... creationism included.
then, out of simple curiosity, why do mechanical engineering profs re-release edition after edition of their textbooks every 2 years, even when the field of, say, "Structural Mechanics" has not really evolved enough at all (at the undergraduate level at least) to warrant any text changes?
And why do the homework section questions change ever so subtly between releases so that you cannot use a 2 year old book for the same course?
i call shenannigans. There IS profit in authoring textbooks. If the professors are not pocketing the profits, I think they may have signed an unsatisfactory contract with their publishers
Companies are not responsible for military type security.
Compainies are responsible for protecting the data they collect. If they can't properly protect it, then they shouldn't have it- period.
I don't want to have to pay an extra 10% for my car so Ford can pay network security people outrageous salaries to protect my costumer information.
Outrageous and completely uneducated assumption. A decently trained and competant IT staff may cost more, but that is simply a cost of doing business in todays world. The IT security overhead incurred by Ford ($170 Billion in revenues for FY 2004) is less than peanuts. Maybe it should be more, not less as you argue.
It is extortion by the computer security people.
maybe youd like to argue that crime is extortion by the police department? or fire extortion by the fire department? Or heart disease extortion by the heart surgions?
The people who go to "Happy Hour" in DC are generally NOT all (or even mostly) DC residents- they are the ones who commute in from good 'ole VA and MD, and go out for a few drinks after work before heading home.
I am a DC resident, and make no mistake about it- the position of the vast majority of DC natives was consistant and most definately against the Iraq war.
To get a true taste of exactly how strongly opposed to the war most people were in DC, without the VA and MD commuters, you should have walked around the streets during the initial "March to War", or the Inauguration (when the tear gas permitted, of course).
There is no inconsistancy between DC's voting habits and the tragic war in Iraq, if that is what you were suggesting.
oh, yeah. And machines can tell the difference between a suicide bomber and a legitimate voter.
No, it can't. And it won't be able to make the distinction when it matters. Not to be inflammitory, but are you an idiot?
I agree, but I think the side that has the drones will not...
certainly, they will only be used to secure democracy, free enslaved peoples around the world, and protect against WMD's.
Really, I live in the US, I was out at happy hour at Mackies in DC when Bush made the announcement that we were going to invade Iraq.... everyone cheered. They bought rounds of shots for eachother. It was disgusting- you don't celebrate the start of a war, you celebrate it's end. We are already as sanitized to the violence, pain, and suffering of others. Just so long as it doesn't happin "on our soil".
Who mods this crap "Insightful"??? How about "Outright Lie" or "Woefully Misinformed"?
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where did you get 80%?
Even the Bush whitehouse is downplaying the importance of the elections these days. Things really are "That Horrible", as you say:
The administration continues to say publicly that it expects a significant Sunni turnout, citing an International Republican Institute poll in early December showing 20 percent of Sunnis intend to vote and 35 percent intend "somewhat" to vote. But in light of the insurgents' growing attacks on election and government officials since that survey, U.S. officials fear last-minute attacks on polling stations, candidates and voters will produce a much smaller turnout among the minority group that once dominated Iraq. One unofficial estimate already predicts a vote as low as 10 percent in some areas.
Sunnis represent about 30% of the total population of Iraq, BTW.
source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50
I have it on good authority (after 6 years of undergraduate studies) that an excess of alcohol consumption alone leads to violence and violent behavior in certain people.
a combination of caffeinated mixers and alcohol is what it is... a tasty cockail.
cheers.
yeah, that would make more better sence... thanks :)
can't really build up a good credit history with that kind of paranoia... historical length of credit lines is a huge determining factor in your credit score!
those are "my" millions of miles (federally subsidised of course) so yeah, I will lay claim to the posessive. Deal with it, bitch :)
Aye,
your parent might have been cracking a joke... but how true... I suppose when your millions of miles away on the martian surface, the old saying applies several orders of magnitude more:
its the journey, not the desination...
As the global economy relies more and more on computers to conduct comerce, I for one am glad that computer crimes are being treated quite seriously.
Well, if only "people" decided to take network admin security anywhere near as seriously we'd be in good shape, no? Running a major e-commerce chain over unsecured wireless. wtf.
(By the way, there have been something like 4 cybersecurity czars over the past 5 years in the US... they keep stepping down 'cause no one takes them seriously.)
Just because it is a computer, and just because there was no physical harm to someone, doesn't mean that the crime is not a damaging crime. And with the concerns running about for identity theft, the sentence seems appropriate.
This guy got about (if not more than) the average rapist or murder gets. If you think the headache of taking your credit seriously, checking it for inconsistencies often (as you should be doing anyways, identity theft or not- mistakes are made)and dealing with rude phone calls from mistaken debt collectors is anywhere near as bad as losing your life or getting physically raped, then you need a SERIOUS reality check.
I mean jesus, look at the total and complete financial consequences of the Enron gang, Martha Stuart et all (including the lessening public trust of investing your money) and try to tell me this loser and his packet sniffing dumbass should be in a federal pm in the a prison for NINE YEARS.
The video (for me) was oddly enough an upside-down and backwards screencapture movie of his desktop. I couldn't tell the site URL- the resolution wasn't good enough- but I can tell you that there's b00bies in the popups in the movie, so don't go forwarding this link to your boss just yet ;)
yeah, I didn't want to argue to the rest of the world that windows really runs fine without a keyboard either. In most cases, I use term serv or ssh.
yeah pretty funny also:
;)
To count how many files under your home directory are named foo, you can do find ~ -type f -name "foo" | wc -l
which is obviously a lot more intuitive than opening up File Explorer and sorting by file name... isn't it
Now it makes you wonder why Google registered gbrowser.com?"
'cause of the I.P.O. ?
To be fair, Tom Watson was born in the 1870's :)
if app "A" that the company depends upon for their day to day operations and survival is supported by distribution "Y" and not "Z" then why would any sane individual waste their time (and, yes, company credibility.. because the CTO/CFO's time ain't cheap) trying to demo distribution "Z"????
Am I missing something? Really now. Really.