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Biggest Identity Thief Ever Gets Put Away

Anonymous Brave Guy writes "Apparently computer helpdesk employee Philip Cummings had more than just a day job: he's just gone down for 14 years in the biggest identity theft case ever. Lots of fascinating nuggets of information in that story: apparently fake ID goes for as little as $60, and the total stolen over just a couple of years was somewhere in the $50m-100m range."

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  1. Just write it off I guess by Lindsay+Lohan · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Philip Cummings, 35... a computer helpdesk employee...
    Losses have been estimated to be between $50m (£38m) and $100m (£76m).
    Cummings, who is still free on bail, must report to prison on 9 March. He is also due to pay compensation to be agreed at a later date.
    Something tells me the 30,000 people he scammed aren't going to see a dime. Since Phil is not allowed to compensate with stolen funds, and he is unlikely to be returning to his lucrative helpdesk job anytime soon, I doubt he'll be able to fork over even $1 per victim.
    1. Re:Just write it off I guess by m3j00 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Something tells me the 30,000 people he scammed aren't going to see a dime. Since Phil is not allowed to compensate with stolen funds, and he is unlikely to be returning to his lucrative helpdesk job anytime soon, I doubt he'll be able to fork over even $1 per victim.

      The actual "victim" in these cases is almost always the creditor, not the person whose identity was stolen. It costs the person a bunch of time and energy to correct the problems, but the stolen money comes from the creditors, and they have a budget for fraud.

    2. Re:Just write it off I guess by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny

      But how much are all of his body parts worth at auction? Kidneys, corneas, heart, etc. Seems fair to me. Sadly still not enough I am sure.

    3. Re:Just write it off I guess by Steve+Embalmer · · Score: 0

      The actual "victim" in these cases is almost always the creditor

      OK... but isn't GP still making a valid point re: his ability to repay the stolen money?

    4. Re:Just write it off I guess by fiftyLou · · Score: 1, Insightful


      Sure write it off. Or go after Teledata Communications the guy's employer. They should have some liability in this. 30,000 people makes for one powerful class action.

    5. Re:Just write it off I guess by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      As this is a criminal case, the Feds may be able to recover whatever they can of the stolen funds and return it to the victims. That's assuming, of course, that they can find it.

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    6. Re:Just write it off I guess by nonicenamesleft · · Score: 2, Insightful
      But how much are all of his body parts worth at auction? Kidneys, corneas, heart, etc. Seems fair to me. Sadly still not enough I am sure.

      Writing this and being modded insightful +3...and they call the moslems barbaric.

    7. Re:Just write it off I guess by Ayaress · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is a valid point, but the people themselves will get their money back (possibly less some fees depending on their bank). I'll use the example of my parents.

      A few years back, my mom lost her credit card, and the wrong person found it. They rang it up to the limit buying all sorts of stuff. They bought a couch, a few DVD's, paid their bills, and even set their car loan to automatically bill the card. My mom rarely uses it for anything, so the sudden spending spree must have set off alarm bells, and they called her within a couple days, even before she'd realized she lost it.

      It took my parents almost three months to get the mess all settled. The guy who found the credit card was on the verge of bankruptcy. It went to court, and his creditors testified that he was days away from getting his car reposessed, and that the couch he bought was probably to replace a living room set that he'd bought on credit and then failed to pay for.

      There was no way he could afford to pay back what he'd stolen, but my parents got all their money back (Even the $50 limit they had to pay initially) through the credit card company, who have systems in place to protect themselves against things like this.

    8. Re:Just write it off I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compensation may mean restitution in which case it would be equal to returning your stolen money.

    9. Re:Just write it off I guess by ePhil_One · · Score: 1
      There was no way he could afford to pay back what he'd stolen, but my parents got all their money back (Even the $50 limit they had to pay initially) through the credit card company, who have systems in place to protect themselves against things like this.

      Umm, sorta...

      The anti-fraud halted the theft after three days, in that time he bought a lot stuff (>$1000). Since they have identified the charges as fraud, they'll not pay the charges, meaning the stores that sold the DVD's get shafted for the payments. They might get their merchandise back, but it will be open, used, worth a fraction of it value. Fortunately, in this case most went to bills that weren't going to get paid anyway...

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    10. Re:Just write it off I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you see, they waste the body parts. That's the difference.

    11. Re:Just write it off I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He can turn tricks in the prison shower and repay his debt in cigarettes. :)

    12. Re:Just write it off I guess by glitch23 · · Score: 0, Interesting

      I got ripped off on Ebay many years ago (when other auction sites were still around, and I don't think there are any others nowadays) and I filed a complaint with the Post Office. After about a year or 2 the Attorney General of Idaho (the thief was from there) eventually contacted me and said the guy had been caught after other people had filed complaints. He was convicted and sent to jail. I was ripped off $750 or so and got back about $30 of that recently (about 5 months ago) because the guy is working while in jail and is paying people back as he makes money. I believe the priority of who gets money back first is being based on who got ripped off the most. I don't know where in that list I fall. I have a feeling it might be a while before I see the other $700+ he owes me because it took 5 years to see the first $30.

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    13. Re:Just write it off I guess by mindstrm · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yup, and that's how it is supposed to work. The onus is on the merchant to ensure that the person using the credit card is, in fat, authorized to use it.

      The credit card is a token, a symbol to show that a given issuer is extending you credit, and will pay the merchant on demand. It is not the credit itself.

      Far too many merchants do not check signatures and/or ask for identification.. and that's fine, because it's their gamble, not mine.

      You can generally contest any payment made on your credit card, and the merchant will have to demonstrate that you authorized the transaction, or he's out of luck. Barring a signature, or stuff shipped to your address, or perhaps video evidence, there isn't much they can do.

    14. Re:Just write it off I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      moslems? wtf are moslems. Jesus, man! Muslims!!

    15. Re:Just write it off I guess by sjames · · Score: 1

      It took my parents almost three months to get the mess all settled.

      Now imagine that instead, of a simple credit card theft, the guy had opened half a dozen NEW credit cards in her name. Ultimatly, she wouldn't have to pay those bills, but your parents would have easily put in a man year of work without compensation just to get it fixed. That'd be worth about $20,000 at $10/hour.

    16. Re:Just write it off I guess by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      I've noticed the checkout people checking the signature a lot more lately. I've also noticed that scrawling "Check Signature" across the front of the card in indelible ink tends to actually make them check the signature, too.

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    17. Re:Just write it off I guess by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      I had a friend who used to throw away the credit cards if the person checking the signature did anything suspicious. Like dropping the card on the floor or staring at it in an unusual manner. Paranoid or not, this person went through a new card every other month and never had a single problem.

    18. Re:Just write it off I guess by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      Good idea I suppose.

      My philosophy has always been this: The law, and the contract with the issuer, are there to protect ME from fraud, that's why I use it. If having a credit card was such a risk, I wouldn't use it.

      Inconveniencing yourslef to protect the issuer is silly; that's what we are already paying them for (with information and fees)

    19. Re:Just write it off I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternate spelling. Since moslems/muslims come from countries that don't use the latin alphabet, the transliteration is fairly arbitrary.

    20. Re:Just write it off I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Paranoid or not, this person went through a new card every other month and never had a single problem.

      ...until he goes to apply for a car loan or a mortgage, and gets denied credit because he's had too many credit cards for a short amount of time.

    21. Re:Just write it off I guess by PopCulture · · Score: 1

      can't really build up a good credit history with that kind of paranoia... historical length of credit lines is a huge determining factor in your credit score!

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    22. Re:Just write it off I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, as to the "person whose identity was stolen," their time and hassle has NO value whatsoever.

    23. Re:Just write it off I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      request new card same account

    24. Re:Just write it off I guess by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      Once working in a small bookstore I had this happen sort of. The store didn't have a dedicated line for the credit card machine (cheapasness on the proprietor's part) and the line hooked into the machine was busy, so I had to switch it out with the front phone line for a minute so it could go through. The lady who i wa waiting on went into a paranoid fit, but I managed to convince her that all i was doing was switching cables, not stealing her children or anythihng

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    25. Re:Just write it off I guess by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I think GP meant the friend replaced the card itself, rather than closing the account and opening a new one elsewhere.

      Still, reporting cards lost/stolen does ding your credit score, I think.

    26. Re:Just write it off I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound cynical, but this has been the system in most of mainland Europe for years, and it works wonderfully.

    27. Re:Just write it off I guess by korbin_dallas · · Score: 1

      Nope, I have actual proof that that is NOT how it works. If the companies ripped off DID have to pay, you'd see legislation with real teeth to scare these SOBs off or put them in jail quickly.

      My proof is Sprint, who once we found out someone had an account under our name, all they did was try to get us to tranfer the account to our REAL snail mail address, so WE could pay it.

      Fortunately we just turned around, called them back as the imposter (ourselves) and cancelled the account first!

      Oh, and all those FREE credit reports you're supposed to get if you suspect fraud...NOPE, not free.

      Too many people making money off this chain for anyone to get punished. And it just got worse with this automatic check clearing thing.

      JoeR

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    28. Re:Just write it off I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to have personal knowledge of this.

    29. Re:Just write it off I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I have a feeling it might be a while before I see the other $700+ he owes me because it took 5 years to see the first $30."

      The guy didn't have any assets to sell to pay you back?

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    30. Re:Just write it off I guess by gcatullus · · Score: 1

      Video evidence is NOT enough to prove a transaction. We have had people dispute transactions that they made at our gasoline dispensers through the pay at the pump. Visa/Mastercard have ALWAYS denied us the credit. It is their policy - at least as they tell us - to deny any transaction to the merchant unless the merchant has a valid signature from the customer. If more people knew this, I am sure that there would be far more credit card fraud. Anything that you haven't signed with your "normal" signature you really don't have to pay for.

    31. Re:Just write it off I guess by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      That's interesting, and I suppose it makes sense.

      If you have video evidence, you can take it up with the customer in court, visa need not be involved.

      I'm sure the whole thing is in the merchant agreement.

    32. Re:Just write it off I guess by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      Sounds sensible. However. THis defeats one of the main services you are paying for.

      One of the main benefits there is risk mitigation. I use a credit card because it protects me, not because it's a risk.

      The media makes such a stink about credit card numbers stolen on the internets, and I agree, it's sure inconvenient... a personal niusance for anyone affected, but rather than complain about internet thieves, what we SHOULD be complaining about is a) lack of authentication by merchants and b) poor handling of claims by the issuer (VISA)

      You should be able to use your visa confident that if someone else gets it, it's not your problem.

      If everyone treated it that way, it wouldn't be such an issue.

      How Visa & The merchant want to verify that I have authorized a transaction is up to them. I will not pay for something I didn't authorize, plain and simple.

      I realize many people, unfortunately, live deep in a big debt hole, and live off their credit cards, and any interruption to that is catastrophic and costs them a lot of auxilliary money in late fees, etc. Solution: Stop living at the limit of your credit.

    33. Re:Just write it off I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The actual "victim" in these cases is almost always the creditor, not the person whose identity was stolen. It costs the person a bunch of time and energy to correct the problems, but the stolen money comes from the creditors, and they have a budget for fraud.

      You have never had your identity stolen have you? They can drain your bank account etc. and if it's a checking card, you are screwed.

      Not to mention lost opportunity due to the fact you aren't the slightest bit credit worthy until your stuff is straightened out.

      I was pretty victimized, lost a bid on a house, couldn't get a job (yes your credit is a determining factor in the financial industry, bad credit is as bad as a criminal record), lost my car etc. while unemployed. If I had to put a dollar value on the lost opportunity alone, it would be over 100k. I have made one late payment in my entire life, and my credit was wrecked over a 2 year period.

      While you cannot put a price tag on it, it's incalculable, the damage is very real to the "victim", as you put it. I am just a regular guy, not a corporation.

    34. Re:Just write it off I guess by glitch23 · · Score: 0

      I don't know about the assets he had. I wasn't notified of any of that as far as I can remember. For all i know/remmeber, he had assets that were already sold to others who got ripped off more and I'm left to wait for him to work for the rest.

      I didn't say killing people in the name of God is okay. God doesn't have humans kill people for him because he already says murder is a sin so he would contradict himself if he told us to kill someone. We have plenty excuses we makeup ourselves as to why we want to kill someone (mostly for convenience). No where in the Holy Bible does it state that it is okay to kill someone(there is a commandment specifically against it) so I hope you aren't including that book in your grouping of "religious texts". Those who say God told them to kill someone are wrong.

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    35. Re:Just write it off I guess by PopCulture · · Score: 1

      yeah, that would make more better sence... thanks :)

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    36. Re:Just write it off I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Slashdot, of course he does.

  2. Sorry by savagedome · · Score: 3, Funny

    I absolutely did not see this Cumming.

    1. Re:Sorry by xami · · Score: 1

      wait I know.. Jenna Jameson, right?

    2. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

  3. That should be good by albn · · Score: 4, Informative

    People like this should be put away for a long time for ruining one's credit rating and making their lives a living hell. Restitution will be good too, but how much can you make in the can? not much.

    Good riddance.

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    1. Re:That should be good by Thunderstruck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I agree, having been a victim of identity theft (only once that I know of) Perhaps part of the problem is credit ratings themselves.

      There are other ways for a lender or landlord to learn whether a person is a risk. Most people have a reputation in their community that one need only ask to learn. Most credible people can provide credible references. The current addiction to putting everyone's number in a New Jersey database does more harm than good, especially when folks like Cummings come along.

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    2. Re:That should be good by nizo · · Score: 1
      People like this should be put away for a long time for ruining one's credit rating...

      I guess there are advantages to having a horrible credit rating after all!

    3. Re:That should be good by albn · · Score: 1

      Yes, my credit does suck, and cannot get any worse than it already is. The thing is, it might be a shocker for those who may have filed chapter 7 bankruptcy before the seven years are up and get a credit card bill for $20,000.

      I feel really bad for victims of identity theft, and these days of phishing, dumpster diving and the Internet for everyday users it is getting easier and easier to rip people off. It's sad and frustrating.

      I also have to agree the cost of unraveling the mess of trying to prove it was *not* you making all the purchases and it seems credit card companies are trying to make headway by asking if an old guy actually bought the monster truck (Citibank commercial), but then again, I can see people yelling for questioning what they buy and don't buy. I guess you cannot make everybody happy.

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    4. Re:That should be good by papadiablo · · Score: 1

      Perhaps part of the problem is credit ratings themselves.

      I agree with this but...

      There are other ways for a lender or landlord to learn whether a person is a risk. Most people have a reputation in their community that one need only ask to learn. Most credible people can provide credible references.

      There is no way companies are going to do this. It is more expensive than having the computer check not to mention what's to stop people from lying. I think the problem is that it is not easy to reverse one's credit rating after it has been ruined by an identity theif. If this were more easily done then the credit rating system wouldn't be such a problem. That is assuming the person has reasonable evidence that their identity has been stolen so people can't just request things be taken off their credit rating.

    5. Re:That should be good by loraksus · · Score: 1

      You know, that wouldn't be such an issue if the credit reporting bureaus weren't incompetent arrogant dipshits when it comes to dealing with things like this.
      Harsh? Maybe, but I don't think it is overly so.

      Have you ever wondered why there are dozens of credit bureaus (3 major ones, I know) and why folks who are thinking of giving you a loan will check the 3 major ones and maybe some of the minor ones?
      It's because the data that each one has is so highly suspect that it is essentially useless.

      Credit bureaus normally DO NOT share data with each other in what is apparantly a childish and futile attempt for each one to corner the market. Data like corrections (or mistakes) are not necessarily passed on and your "credit report" can (will?) vary from one to another. I'm not going to even go into the dispute "investigation" process or how folks with the same social security number have to deal with this again and again.

      In any other industry, this shit would not be allowed to go on, it is just that as someone who needs money, you're the bitch, plain and simple.

      Think about it for a second - FTC states that you have a 1 in 3 chance of having an significant error on your credit report. The error will affect your purchasing power and most likely (for some odd reason, credit reports tend to err in the negative) cost you hundreds, if not thousands of dollars in the long run (you'll also get fucked on car insurance rates now).
      . /spent over a year, a fucking goddamn year, dealing with these arrogant sonsafuckingbitches trying to get a bogus credit card account removed. The card was issued 8 years before I was born.
      . //no, not bitter, why do you ask?

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    6. Re:That should be good by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Sure, this guy deserves to be punished, as he will be. But a share of the blame belongs to the people at Ford Motor Credit and Teledata, whose sloppy security enabled this crime. Nothing's been about any penalties for them, and I'm guessing there won't be any.

    7. Re:That should be good by sjames · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'll bet that if the credit agencies were held legally responsable for the hearsay they recklessly spout about people they would do a much better job verifying the accuracy of their information. If you or I published a report based on hearsay that did significant damage to someone's reputation, we would end up in court. If we couldn't show darned good reasons why we believed the information we published, we would end up being ordered to pay restitution.

      Financial institutions aren't much better. Identity theft wouldn't be a problem if they would either stop issuing credit based on easily obtained 'proof' of identity without even a phone conversation (and apparently wondering why you want your bills sent to another state), or at least admit that they really don't have any idea who they sent a credit card to.

      Honestly, an adverse report from a credit card isn't all that credible these days. While it's unlikely that the report is malicious or fraudulant, it's really quite likely to be in error.

    8. Re:That should be good by koko775 · · Score: 1

      Hmm. No. While it should ruin their lives, taking them out of the picture for a really long time (insert standard rapist argument here), they shouldn't get put away for so long it destroys their lives. That would be the ultimate hypocrisy, IMO.

    9. Re:That should be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fucking bleeding heart pansy-assed liberal! Hell, I despise the rethuglicans as much as you do, but I sure as fuck won't shed any tears for this son of a bitch as he spends the next 14 years having his ass in the air and his head pushed to the pillow, ass pounding experience after another.

    10. Re:That should be good by daveo0331 · · Score: 1

      Most credible people can provide credible references.

      And most dishonest people can find someone they can pay $100 or so to be their "credible reference." In fact, if there were no credit bureaus, you could probably make a decent living selling your services as a "reference."

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    11. Re:That should be good by justins · · Score: 1
      Sure, this guy deserves to be punished, as he will be. But a share of the blame belongs to the people at Ford Motor Credit and Teledata, whose sloppy security enabled this crime. Nothing's been about any penalties for them, and I'm guessing there won't be any.

      You never know. If I were going to file a civil claim I'd wait until the criminal case was disposed. Just wait...
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    12. Re:That should be good by Draveed · · Score: 1
      Everytime a person applies for a credit card you want banks to send out someone to interview their friends and neighbors? That's so impractical.

      Besides, those references would be useless. They wouldn't be honest because what person is going to badmouth their friend to a bank? I have a friend who's bad with money. If a bank called me or visited me like with your idea, I certainly wouldn't tell them they shouldn't extend my friend a line of credit. Would you do that to one of your friends?

      People don't like credit ratings because they feel belittled by being reduced to a few numbers, but it's that simplicity that makes granting credit quick, efficient and fair. If credit-worthiness were based on references, you would then have to worry about bogus/lying references, it would slow down the process and you would have to some how deal with any biases from your own loan staff. What if the bank employs a racist? How are you sure their analysis of their interviews are fair and not biased from on their prejudice?

      Relying on a credit score solves these problems. The bank can always go back to a solid number for a reason instead of someone's gut feeling.

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    13. Re:That should be good by RM6f9 · · Score: 1

      Impersonal corporations held legally liable for their"mistakes"? Perhaps even better, civilly liable? Where do we sign the petition to get THIS enacted into law??

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    14. Re:That should be good by bl1st3r · · Score: 1

      I know I'm going to get hit hard for this, but it is my sincere belief that he did the right thing. Not morally, and he probably didn't do it with any sort of intention other than outright theft.

      But my big fear is that as we move towards a more moneyless society, things like Credit Rating quickly become more important than any other factor. I personally hate the concept of Credit and love to see it take a hit.

      How about doing things the old fashioned way, like going ahead and paying for things with Money that you've earned? Seems insane?

      If there weren't so many goddamned Credit organizations, then identify theft wouldn't amount to shit. It would be a simple case of "LOOK AT ME, MY NAME IS NOW BRITNEY SPEARS! HEH HEH" and having absolutely no influence in her actual life. With a Credit system, they can royaly fuck people over.

      I may be paranoid, but it scares the crap out of me.

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    15. Re:That should be good by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Good point. Except that nowadays, paying a civil claim doesn't mean admitting you fucked up. It just means that it was cheaper to pay the claim than the lawyers.

    16. Re:That should be good by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      The card was issued 8 years before I was born.

      That's no excuse, take some responsibility for your actions! Is it our fault that you can't spend money responsibly? Jesus, some people's children...

      [/sarcasm]

    17. Re:That should be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something says he will be taking a lot in the can.... Oh, you said MAKE

    18. Re:That should be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People like this should be put away for a long time for ruining one's credit rating and making their lives a living hell.

      Oh cry me a fucking river, bitch. You're precious little credit rating was harmed! Boo hoo! Eat a bowl of dicks. You're talking about kidnapping a guy and making his life a REAL living hell for a "long time", all because of your fucking CREDIT RATING? Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. You're the fucking criminal here, bitch. Eat a heaping bowl of dicks.

    19. Re:That should be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a bank called me or visited me like with your idea, I certainly wouldn't tell them they shouldn't extend my friend a line of credit.

      I have a friend that owes me a large sum of money. It is not an "official loan", registerd with a county clerk or anything like that. If he was able to get a loan from a bank based on refrences I would give him a glowing one in an instant - it would probably be the only way I will ever see my money again. As it stands, his credit rating is preventing him from getting a loan and bluntly he is a very high credit risk.

      For the most part I think the credit rating system works, there are cases out there where it failed sure. Mostly though it keeps costs down and contributes to the competition in the credit market providing most of us with decent loan costs.

      Posted as a coward to protect my friend who is an avid /.er.

      BTW - that cliche about not loaning friends and family money is true...

    20. Re:That should be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wouldn't you stop being a "credible reference" at that point?

  4. Curious... by MarkRose · · Score: 5, Funny

    What I want to know is, when they caught the guy, did they have a positive ID?

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    1. Re:Curious... by Infinityis · · Score: 1

      Why sure, they had thousands of positive IDs...they just weren't his.

  5. I wonder.... by JediTux · · Score: 1

    How much would my 'secret' identity go for?

    1. Re:I wonder.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you put old 'HomoFudge' up on Ebay and find out?

  6. Why? by grahamsz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why does a help desk operator have access to my credit report?

    Surely you can design a system where very few humans ever have contact with all of a persons information.

    I've dealt with on UK bank where when you wanted to perform certain transactions using telephone banking you were passed to a second tier operator and instructed not to give them your name.

    Presumably the system was set up such that no one person had enough confidential information on a single customer.

    The US really needs far stricter controls on SSNs - it's insane how often i need my ssn for day to day transactions.

    1. Re:Why? by DoctorMO · · Score: 3, Informative

      The UK has Data Protection laws now which mean that if employees have access to personal information they have to have a damn good reason, and if they don't the company is liable.

    2. Re:Why? by bersl2 · · Score: 1

      The Social Security number is being used for things it was not intended to be used for.

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The US really needs far stricter controls on SSNs - it's insane how often i need my ssn for day to day transactions.
      Don't be an idiot. The SSN is one of your (many) legal names, just specially-assigned so that it is unique. What we need is a law that says "use a public name or number as a security authenticator, and you get to fully compensate everyone for all losses that result". I think if you get hit by identity "theft", you should be able to hand it to a lawyer and not think about it at all, and the lawyer gets to bill the creditor the actual costs. That would force financiers to, you know, actually find out who they're handing big wads of money to before they actually hand it out.

      I also want world peace.

    4. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      SSN's aren't unique, they get reused

    5. Re:Why? by me+at+werk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Social Security numbers were originally just a Tax ID, people wouldn't get them until age 16 or so (this was changed, according to wikipedia, in the 1980s when SSN's were required to list "dependants). It's sad, it was (as i'm told, I did not experience this) stated that it would "never be used as a national id" or something to that effect, and it has.

      At least it's not to the same extent (i think) that it is in the UK. But that's not to say it won't be.

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    6. Re:Why? by Skater · · Score: 1

      What sort of day-to-day transaction do you need your SSN for? I can't remember the last time I had to put SSN down on any form... Possibly my tax forms last January, but that's the point of the SSN.

      --RJ

    7. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Because they can look up your account info, which contains billing address and phone number and your social security number. Just because you're asked for the last 4 digits doesn't mean the rep can't see the whole thing (I did helpdesk stuff for about a year a while back). Heck, the system where I used to work was such that you could basically browse all customers -- closed account or open -- and look at the data whenever you wanted. I moved from helpdesk to actual network grunt stuff within that same company and knew the guys that ran the AS-400s pretty well. There might have been logs for actual account modifications, but for viewing stuff and the actions of everyone logged in? Not a chance it was tracked anywhere.

    8. Re:Why? by Tarous+Zars · · Score: 1

      At the College I go to my SSN is my Student ID. It is even used to check a tshirt out in the PE department.

    9. Re:Why? by insert+3+letters · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're worried about a help desk worker? That grumpy guy behind the counter at the video store (going off of Hollywood video) has your address, phone, birthdate, names of family members (and b-dates), and SSN (and a simple print screen will print all that data off). This is at the lowest level. Higher up, you get credit card numbers cause we store those. Oh and you *can't* really delete an account, when we "delete" an account, we simply set it to do not rent to. All the data's there. And I'm not quite sure about this, but I think all the customer data for a store (many tens of thousands?) is kept on a local server, probably with minimal ecyption (judging by the age of the system and a couple other factors). Not to mention that that vindictive sales man could just check out a movie on your account and lose it. I'm so glad I quit that job and am getting a "real" job. I think I'll stick with cash for movie transactions though.

    10. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The US really needs far stricter controls on SSNs

      The US really does not WANT european like privacy laws as its 'for the money, by the money' ... and privacy laws just impede what money can do.

      Europe on the other hand has 'citizens' living there instead of 'consumers' and those citizens, well, they like to think they are more important than 'money'.

      Thus my friend.. the US needs citizens that are citizens and not consumers first. The citizens will take of those laws, but first you'll have to find them ;) .. uh, and educate.. and inform.

      Nah, perhaps after the mega flu. Till then, please do not think that the US wants protection for 'consumers'.

    11. Re:Why? by nolife · · Score: 1

      Who the hell would give BlockBuster their SSN? Do they require that?
      I suggest to leave that box blank. I do that ALL THE TIME and rarely will they ask again thinking I missed that block and if they do I reply with "you do not need my SSN for this". I don't think any business has taken it further then that. My credit union and when applying for a loan are different but anything other then my financial institutions do not get the number.

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    12. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely nothing prevents you from giving a random 9 digit number in place of your social security number. Except maybe the birthday paradox. But just try enough numbers and eventually you'll have a pool of identityless numbers to pass off as SSNs.

    13. Re:Why? by mibus · · Score: 1

      My understanding wasn't that SSNs get re-used, but that back in the day before computer DBs, it wasn't entirely uncommon for two identical SSNs to be given out on the same day, and only discovered later...

    14. Re:Why? by Papparazzi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >> "never be used as a national id" or something to that effect, and it has.
      It is now used as a drivers licence # in many states, if you don't specificly request that the Dept. of Revenue not use it. This means that evey time you buy a bottle of wine, or cash a check, the cashier can ask to see it, or else you don't get what you are buying.

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    15. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By law noone can ask your SSN except for social security and tax reasons (so, forms that get submitted to government agencies).

      If they ask your SSN when you send in a warranty card (for example) you are not required to give it.
      If they insist, you could take them to court over that as they're illegally asking for confidential information.
      This is true even in the US...

    16. Re:Why? by mpe · · Score: 1

      The Social Security number is being used for things it was not intended to be used for.

      Hardly unique here. Much the same problem applies to documents originally intended to demonstrate that the holder was competent to drive a motor vehicle on the public road.

    17. Re:Why? by Zerth · · Score: 1

      They usually ask for a driving license when you sign up and if you are in a state that lists your SSN on the license(or uses it as part of your license#) they'll copy it down anyway. Worked at one for a summer and people always left it blank, but then didn't think twice about handing over their license.

    18. Re:Why? by radish · · Score: 1

      The guy at my local Hollywood video has my name, address, and nothing else. No birthdates, no SSN.

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    19. Re:Why? by ssstraub · · Score: 1

      The college I went to (part of the University of Wisconsin) was sued about this. After that, everyone was given unique numbers that had nothing to do with their SSN.

      This happened during the time I was there.

  7. Where to go? by Efialtis · · Score: 1

    Hay, so I could use a second identity ;-} Where can I go and get one? For $60, it is a bargain! ;-}

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    1. Re:Where to go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey ;-} you're a fag ;-}

    2. Re:Where to go? by HermanAB · · Score: 1

      Here you go: http://www.anewidentity.com/

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    3. Re:Where to go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Get person A and person B to divulge their personal details by making them fill up a form to apply for a new identity.

      2. Sell identity of person A to person B.

      3. Sell identity of person B to person A.

      4. Profit!

    4. Re:Where to go? by Jozer99 · · Score: 1

      Why not go the Apple way? Get an iLife, with almost all the features of a regular identity, and a bargin at $99! It make be more expensive then a regular identity with less features, but it looks so much cooler!

  8. How... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you sure you've got the right guy?

  9. fake ids by frogger01 · · Score: 0
    apparently [a]fake ID goes for as little as $60

    funny, before i was legal age to drink, we just made our own for free. nothing like a good printer and a dark bar/drunk doorman.

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    1. Re:fake ids by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      We just did everything we could to try to grow convincing facial hair. I was lucky (or unlucky, depending on how you think of it), since that and premature grayness run in my family. I could pass for 18 easily when I was 15, and even when I was 14 I had a hard time convincing the theater that I was still young enough to get the under-18 discount. Only a few places carded me for liquor by the time was 17 since I'd developed some visible gray streaks in my hair. That was before my state passed tougher laws on that, though, I doubt I could get away with it now givin the same circumstances.

    2. Re:fake ids by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      I grew up in Hawaii, where the legal age was 18, and I think the unofficial policy at Korean liquor stores near me was that, if you were over 6 feet tall, you could buy booze.

      I also started getting gray at 19 years old, and now everyone assumes that I'm at least ten years older than I really am.

      When I went to university in the 80's, where the age was 21, I would just special order imports by the case, and pick them up when they arrived. They didn't even want to card me for those...

  10. Oh good call, your Honor. by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cummings, who is still free on bail, must report to prison on 9 March.

    It's not like the guy could change his identity or anything.

    1. Re:Oh good call, your Honor. by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I wonder how he came up with the money to make bail? Hmmm...

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    2. Re:Oh good call, your Honor. by G-funk · · Score: 1

      Hopefully he took out a loan in the name of the judge who decided he should be allowed out on the streets. Should educate the old feller.

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    3. Re:Oh good call, your Honor. by Infinityis · · Score: 1

      Hmm...desk job, able to change his identity...does that sound like someone we know?

      MR CUMMINGS IS MR INCREDIBLE!!!!

      You may now all return from the edge of your seats.

  11. It would be better for consumers if by museumpeace · · Score: 4, Interesting

    this s**tbag's employer, Teledata Communications, was heavily fined...they must have had hundreds of complaints over the course of the thievery and never turned enough scrutiny on their own orgnaization to see the problem until way too late. I will be looking at which credit card issuers, banks, etc use Teledata Communications services and seeing if I can avoid doing business there.

    but who says their competition is any safer?

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    1. Re:It would be better for consumers if by MLopat · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I totally agree. The employer should be somewhat accountable for the actions of their employee and the negligence on their part. Obviously the system was designed in an insecure manor if the help desk technician had access not only to the accounts, but to the codes as well. The company is the one that should be on trial here.

    2. Re:It would be better for consumers if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I will be looking at which credit card issuers, banks, etc use Teledata Communications services and seeing if I can avoid doing business there."

      Good luck finding that information out. You have access to internal company info that'll tell you who they use for contractors, etc?

    3. Re:It would be better for consumers if by loraksus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is shocking, simply shocking that someone who gets paid $10 an hour steals customer information if he has the chance because the company's security policies were virtually useless.

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    4. Re:It would be better for consumers if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree that it is the responsibility of the company to set appropriate safeguards in the workplace, I have trouble seeing how the security at the system designer's residence played a part in this identity infringement.

    5. Re:It would be better for consumers if by MLopat · · Score: 1
      I have trouble seeing how the security at the system designer's residence played a part in this identity infringement

      I don't follow you... could you elaborate on that...
    6. Re:It would be better for consumers if by museumpeace · · Score: 1

      yeah, vague fear molts into anger and then quickly in to vague threats...I doubt any parties to this, even the victims, are going to be advertising their part in it...but a bit of poking around on the net may help me burn off the anger and reduce the fear. And I really do feel that companies who have better records of preserving privacy and more robust business processes around data security/integrity should be rewarded with my business.

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    7. Re:It would be better for consumers if by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      you misspelled "manner" as "manor," changing the meaning of your sentence entirely. "In an insecure manor..." Whose? Bruce Wayne's?

    8. Re:It would be better for consumers if by MLopat · · Score: 1

      Ah you're right. My apologies. Now that I reread your comment, that's actually pretty witty.

    9. Re:It would be better for consumers if by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      I didn't make the original spelling correction, but, hey, I'll take the compliment, anyway. I don't get many...;)

    10. Re:It would be better for consumers if by hel+shwarts · · Score: 1

      "I will be looking at which credit card issuers, banks, etc use Teledata Communications services and seeing if I can avoid doing business there.
      but who says their competition is any safer?"

      Nope it's not any safer. Most of the companies who claimes that their database is encripted just bullshit. Some time ago my husband used to do programming jobs for .coms & told me that often when he completed his main database programming task , he would naturally start working on the encripting protocol but in most cases was told not to worry about it, even though their web site was clearly stating that the data was encripted & most secure ever. So I would say what causes cases like Cummimgs'to happen is the greed of the owners to actually spend another couple of thousands on the encription job, or other precautions. This tipe of companies is always in between you & some bigger institution & always pretends to be bigger then they are.

  12. It never ceases to amaze me... by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ...that these folks just don't learn. People who do this get caught because they keep going and going and going. Once you have a few million, you don't need to scam anyone any more! Just invest and retire! You will eventually mess up, and you WILL get caught!!

    Of course, this sort of idiotic greed is what got them to start doing these bad things in the first place. I can't imagine trying to steal identities no matter how much the profit, myself.

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    1. Re:It never ceases to amaze me... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 1

      Anyone greedy enough to do it would be greedy enough not to stop.

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    2. Re:It never ceases to amaze me... by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      i'm sure someone retired with that money.

      just not this little drone in the circles...

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    3. Re:It never ceases to amaze me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who do this get caught because they keep going and going and going. Once you have a few million, you don't need to scam anyone any more!

      "I've got enough money, I think I'll retire", says Cummings to the accomplices with the semi-automatics.

    4. Re:It never ceases to amaze me... by Steffan · · Score: 1

      Yes, but when is it 'enough'. Maybe he was going to quit at 5M, or 3M, or maybe only 100K. He'd never know at what point he was being too greedy. Arguably after the very first transaction he should have quit.

    5. Re:It never ceases to amaze me... by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 1

      The hallmark of antisocial personalities like Mr. Cummings is a lack of impulse control and a succeptiblity to boredom. Even if he had had the sense to "retire," he would have spent the proceeds on coke and hookers and would in short order be back to his old tricks.

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    6. Re:It never ceases to amaze me... by Da+Fokka · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You never hear of the ones that do learn and do stop in time.

    7. Re:It never ceases to amaze me... by stanleypane · · Score: 1

      The article says there was 50-100 million in losses. I highly doubt they made that much in profit at $60.00 a pop. Do the math. At just 50 million they would have had to sell over 830,000 stolen accounts/identities.

      I would think they totalled all of money lost between EVERYONE (probably hundreds or thousands) involved. I'm sure there were plenty of folks who bought the stolen account/identities and used them to help give way to that number.

      The guy probably wasn't making that much considering he was only selling them for $60.00.

    8. Re:It never ceases to amaze me... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Or sell one fake id 830,000 times...

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    9. Re:It never ceases to amaze me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even assuming that Cummings spent $600000 a year on his rent, bills, and food, does 20 lines of coke a day (at the price of $30 a line) and buys two $200 hookers each day, for fifty years, he would still have well over a million dollars left even if he only had $50 million to start with.

      Coke and hookers alone aren't going to cut down that kind of money.

    10. Re:It never ceases to amaze me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. He sold the ID's for $60. The people he sold them to caused the 50-100 million in losses.

  13. from the no-that-would-be-the-government dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck you and your assface editorials.

    1. Re:from the no-that-would-be-the-government dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      keep raging for the machine man

  14. NOT the biggest ID thief ever... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... but the biggest ID theif ever caught.

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    1. Re:NOT the biggest ID thief ever... by tmika · · Score: 1

      NOT the biggest ID thief ever... but the biggest ID theif ever caught.

      Good point, and more than that, I think he's the biggest by the number of identities stolen or the total cost to the creditors, but he may not have personally made the most money from identity theft.

      60$ plus anything extra his friends choose to kick back to him isn't exactly a big profit per identity. Actually its really little when you consider how much damage he must have done to people's lives. But I guess with 10's of thousands of identities to sell, it didn't mattet to him.

    2. Re:NOT the biggest ID thief ever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly that! i was thinking...

      The biggest ID thief ever should be the 58 million of mexican voters database that ChoicePoint sold to the FBI, CIA and DHS for their "Enhanced Promis" software (bought to "Bases de Datos Especializadas " of Jorge López García whom get it from the thief Juan López Bedolla)

  15. Let The Company Know They Suck by blackage · · Score: 1

    Sales Support
    Tel: (800) 824-9069 option 2
    e-mail: sales@tcicredit.com
    Technical Support
    Tel: (800) 492-2001, option 1
    e-mail: support@tcicredit.com

    Corporate Offices
    Tel: (631) 231-6700
    e-mail: kpalmer@tcicredit.com

    1. Re:Let The Company Know They Suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD PARENT DOWN! KARMA Wh0R3!

    2. Re:Let The Company Know They Suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a look at their page on security:

      http://www.tcicredit.com/security.html/

    3. Re:Let The Company Know They Suck by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1

      Be sure to have your credit card and SSN handy so they can verify your complaint.

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  16. Cummings, who is still free on bail, must report.. by the-build-chicken · · Score: 1

    ...to prison on 9 March.

    Are you kidding me? 14 years in Jail or move to Ecuador, hmmmmm?

  17. Why is it? by modemboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seems like all the huge criminal acts these days are inside jobs. Companies from grocery stores to office buildings are spying on their employees for this exact reason.

  18. free on bail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Cummings, who is still free on bail, must report to prison on 9 March.

    Uh-oh, and he sounds like a flight risk... Won't be seeing him again.

  19. Fake ID by MrRuslan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here in NYC anyone can obtain a fake ID for under $50 bucks and it looks legit enogh to pass...And it's legal too because it has a disclamer in he back. I used to use one to get into clubs but i also used it (with my real info on it) to goto the bank because i always loose my wallet and i just get one for $30 bucks and i never had a problem with it...People who deal with money should be educated on whats real and whats not.

    1. Re:Fake ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Legal? Yeah right.

    2. Re:Fake ID by MrRuslan · · Score: 1

      its ligal to make as long as there is a diclaimer in the back...not legal to abuse!

    3. Re:Fake ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "because i always loose [sic] my wallet"

      I would think you'd keep a tighter grip on something as important as a wallet. Instead of wasting money on fake IDs get yourself a wallet chain.

    4. Re:Fake ID by plasticsquirrel · · Score: 1

      fake ID's can be low or high cost, depending usually on how good they are. ID's that require holograms, for example, can easily cost $80.

      Usually, though, a more professional fake ID is a waste of money. A piece of paper printed off from an inkjet printer and stuck in front of a real ID is fine for almost anything, as long as you aren't required to pull out the ID from your wallet.

      If you don't believe me about the printed piece of paper, try using a scanner, editing some of the information in Photoshop or the Gimp. Print it out and put it in front of your usual ID in your wallet. Now try buying beer, getting into bars, etc.

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    5. Re:Fake ID by coyote-san · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I doubt a disclaimer on the back would get you off the hook if the front "looked legit enough to pass." If you used it as a fake id, it's a fake id and you could find yourself in a shitload of trouble.

      Consider four data points. First, would it be legal if you deposited a check with some nice hefty figure on the front, but a "not a valid check do not accept" notice on the back? Or do you think you'll get a hefty fine from your bank (at best)? People have tried this, it's not a theoretical question.

      Second, remember the story a while back about somebody passing an obviously fake $200 bill? It didn't matter that the bill had a picture of Daffy Duck (or whatever), they passed it as US currency and the feds hit them with federal counterfeiting charges.

      Third, every so often some teens get the bright idea of driving around and shooting people with bb or paint guns. Just a joke, right? Nope - they find themselves facing felony "assault with a deadly weapon" charges because their victims thought they were being shot by a real gun.

      The extreme form of this are idiots who do holdups with fake guns. Ha ha ha - they still get a mandatory 5 or 10 year extension for possessing a firearm during the commission of a felony. I've even heard of a case where somebody got that extension for the "finger in your coat pocket" trick.

      Finally there's the guys who sell flour to undercover narcs. It's legal to sell flour, right? Wrong - if they claim they're selling you cocaine then it's attempt to distribute. The fact that they knew it was flour is legally irrelevant.

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    6. Re:Fake ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm so glad the government finds it necessary to plant undercover agents to protect me from the horrors of the undercover flour distribution network.

      ps. flour doesn't look like cocaine at all

    7. Re:Fake ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... what you are saying is that you can be convicted and punished for using obviously fake monopoly money, extending a finger inside your coat pocket, or selling flour? Nice to know.

    8. Re:Fake ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The interference holograms on a CA or TX ID cost about $2 in materials to make. Bump it to $5 for labor costs. Someone's making $75 in profit on those "$80 holograms".

    9. Re:Fake ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My friend is a bouncer at a club. It's shits easy to spot fake ID's and this is *EXACTLY* why most good bouncers will make you take your ID out of whatever you have it in. Simply bending the ID will reveal most of the fake ID's and common sense will reveal the others (e.g. piss poor edges and whatnot).

    10. Re:Fake ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Second, remember the story a while back about somebody passing an obviously fake $200 bill? It didn't matter that the bill had a picture of Daffy Duck (or whatever), they passed it as US currency and the feds hit them with federal counterfeiting charges."

      That's retarded; it's perfectly legal to print your own currency. If someone is stupid enough to accept a $200 bill, they deserve what they get.

    11. Re:Fake ID by coyote-san · · Score: 1

      The government doesn't give a rat's ass about anyone distributing bricks of flour. But somebody distributing bricks of heroin (or cocaine or whatever)... that's another matter. The fact that they attempted to rip off the agents by delivering flour instead of the drugs is irrelevant.

      As for whether or not flour looks like cocaine, we're talking about bricks wrapped in plastic and/or foil, not dime bags on the street corner.

      (P.S., I meant "intent to distribute" not "attempt to distribute" in the GP)

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    12. Re:Fake ID by coyote-san · · Score: 1

      I've been debating how to reply since your position seems reasonable until you look at actual cases....

      I live in a college town and every few years some genius takes four $10 bills and one $1 bill. He cuts one corner from each $10 bill and glues it to a corner of the $1. He then spends the "$10" bill in a busy, dark bar.

      If you look at it in the light, the bill is obviously bogus. The corners don't match, the president is wrong, the back is entirely wrong.

      But in a dark bar it's almost always accepted as a $10 by a busy bartender.

      You might think the bartender deserves it, but the local DA disagrees. I think the feds also get involved even though the guy only "repurposed" real currency.

      The same DA filed ADW charges against teens firing pellet guns from a car and worked with the police and bars to detain anyone providing a fake ID. You might think he's being unreasonable, but you would still be spending thousands of dollars to defend yourself, to say nothing of facing the possibility of serving real time.

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  20. As a victim of identity theft.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I'd like to see the sentence doubled, if not tripled.

    For those of you that haven't experience it, you have no idea what a living hell identity theft can make your life.

    Come to think of it....maybe a public execution would be in order.

    1. Re:As a victim of identity theft.... by MLopat · · Score: 0

      A 14 year sentence is pretty substantial. Its important to tamper justice with mercy. I'm empathetic to anyone that has been a victim of this kind of crime. I can only imagine the kind of personal violation you must feel. However, take comfort in knowing bubba is going to have a new little bitch on C-block :)

    2. Re:As a victim of identity theft.... by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 2, Funny
      Come to think of it....maybe a public execution would be in order.

      We could get one of those dudes from Saudi Arabia, you know, the guys with the big scimitars who lop off the heads of criminals. Then we put up billboards of this glowering headsman everywhere with the message, "If you commit identity theft, I will cut your fucking head off."

      Might make a dent at least.

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  21. What!?!?!? by mr_resident · · Score: 5, Funny

    HE's not Philip Cummings!

    I AM!!!

    1. Re:What!?!?!? by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      Funny, yes, but an underrated or two would be good, too. Parent was at 0 when I saw the post.

    2. Re:What!?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CC company says you're Sparticus.

    3. Re:What!?!?!? by shannara256 · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, you're under arrest.

  22. wow.. by theshan · · Score: 1

    there's also a "see aslo" link on the side of that story that's talking about the same thing...the real kicker is the quote right from the article.. If convicted, he faces up to 30 years in prison for fraud, and millions of dollars in fines. '$30 a time' nice..only gonna take a couple years to get that one paid off.

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  23. Re:Cummings, who is still free on bail, must repor by RockClimb · · Score: 1

    I agree. When I read the story, my first thought was.... "I'll bet this guy skips the country." After all, they're giving him 2 months to plan where to go. Bye bye Phillip! or given the fact he helped steal millions should that be Buy Buy Phillip?

  24. Re:Cummings, who is still free on bail, must repor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Oh, but this is white collar crime!

    It's not like he's part of the stupid and dangerous prole that go around committing physical violence!!!! Dear Lord, those savages must be put away as soon as possible - no bail for them! After all, they might beat one more person up before going to jail.

    On the other hand, this fine member of the white collar establishment only destroyed the lives and credits of thousands of people - of course he should be allowed to be free until incarceration!

  25. Depends on the industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I worked for a broker, I had access to client SSNs, clearing house info for EFT, the whole nine yards. We were monitored, but that only went so far. Our tech support guys had all the same info.

    Oh, we passed all the industry regulation background searches, etc. In fact, I saw a number of people kicked out of my training class when the searches uncovered bounced checks, forgeries, and other financial crimes. But that's the thing - many people who do that stuff do keep trying to get jobs in the industry. Which makes me think there's a high likelihood that people prone to doing that in general try to take those jobs. I know it's a bit presumptuous, like assuming all pedophiles without records will try to get jobs with kids simply in order to molest them - I'm sure less than 100% of them molest, but as an aggregate group they're unsafe - and it scares me to know how open this access is, especially when I know what they get paid and the educational requirements involved for the job.

  26. 14 years in Jail or move to Ecuador and by way2trivial · · Score: 1
    mom loses her house.

    bail coulda been secured by someone's residence...

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    1. Re:14 years in Jail or move to Ecuador and by CarlDenny · · Score: 1

      Or possibly some of the ENORMOUS PILE OF MONEY HE STOLE.

      (Yes, he just resold them, but $60*30,000 = $1.8 Million at least in his pocket.)

  27. Indeed. Send the jerk to prison...make an example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a victim of identity theft, I can sympathise with his victims. It took an anormous amount of time over the course of 4-5 months to clean up the mess. It completely interfered with my ability to get a home loan until things were fixed and I still get bogus inquiries about it years later. Now multiply that headach times thousands of victims. I hope he's spending the next 14 years face down with a playboy pasted onto his back....prison is too good for people like that.

  28. Re:Cummings, who is still free on bail, must repor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are stupid enough to rob a mini-mart for $39.04 and a pack of cigaretts, you deserve jail. Everyone knows to commit white coller crime so you only get a slap on the wrist.

  29. he will be fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He will do his time and sell his story, make a movie, and make 100m legit.

    1. Re:he will be fine by MLopat · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'm not sure how the laws are down in US, but up here in Canada, the judge can rule that you are forbidden from profiting from your crime.

      Specifically the law can provide that you are not permitted to sell publishing rights of any sort. Hopefully this will apply, and if not, it would be nice to see 30,000 people take up a class action law suit to recoup their losses after he makes his supposed $100M.

  30. Where are the rape arguments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't intended to be a troll, but I have to ask where are the "he'd spend less time in jail for rape" comments?

    It wasn't too terribly long ago that a story was posted about a guy who broke into either Lowe's/Home Depot/whatever to steal customer credit card numbers? The rape comments were all over the place in that story. Do you have any idea how much financial damage could be done to a persond with just their name and credit card number? So how is this new story any different from the older one? Is it because this guy was successful and the other one was caught before the information could be used? So we should offer lighter sentences to stupid/incompetent/unsuccessful criminals?

    Perhaps it's time the /. devotees re-examine their position on computer crime.

    1. Re:Where are the rape arguments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiot.

    2. Re:Where are the rape arguments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice. Avoid discussing the topic and throw an insult. You sir, are a bastion of intellect.

    3. Re:Where are the rape arguments? by binary+paladin · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's me.

    4. Re:Where are the rape arguments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But rape is fun!

  31. Re: Perhaps part of the problem is credit ratings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amen. My mother experiences about 10 attempts to steal her identity each month. She put a "lock" on her credit report (I don't know if she had to pay for it) and the attempts have failed so far. But all it takes is her name, SSN, and address for the thief to get a new account. The account is set up at her home address, but after it is set up it's easy for the thief to change the address to their PMB, crack house, etc. She got wise when she started getting unsolicited credit cards in the mail, and letters from XYZ store telling her she shouldn't apply for a XYZ store account when she already had one.

    Basically, I should be aboe to lock and unlock my credit for free, whenever I want. And I can't - but I can pay for the "privilege".

  32. that's not a lot of money by theNetImp · · Score: 1

    and the total stolen over just a couple of years was somewhere in the $50m-100m range."

    I don't see where $0.05 to $0.10 is a lot of money. (^_~)

  33. No way by siskbc · · Score: 2, Insightful
    There are other ways for a lender or landlord to learn whether a person is a risk. Most people have a reputation in their community that one need only ask to learn. Most credible people can provide credible references. The current addiction to putting everyone's number in a New Jersey database does more harm than good, especially when folks like Cummings come along.

    Like hell. First, that would be as useful as the references on a job application - no one pays attention to those, because if you can't get 3 friends to lie for you, you must be a real psychopath, let alone a credit risk. Second, those recommendations are only any good when considering the character of the referrees, so this quickly becomes a boundless recursive problem.

    Also, where are these little communities anymore where everyone knows each other? Do you live in Mayberry? I know like 5 people in my entire building.

    Overall, this process of trying to holistically determine credit worthiness without a centralized system would be slow as hell and obscenely expensive, if for no other reason than it would be so ineffective that banks would have to charge higher rates to account for their inability to determine credit worthiness. I don't like credit fraud either, but let's not toss the baby with the bathwater here.

    And if nothing else, what if you move? Do you just get charged the highest possible rate in your new town because the community doesn't know you?

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    1. Re:No way by Thunderstruck · · Score: 1

      I live in Dickinson, North Dakota. After 6 months I know quite a few people in this town. Some of them are related to law school classmates of mine. Some have done business with my former bank. Finding references that both sides can accept is not hard.

      Maybe instead of hiding in your house or apartment you got out and met your neighbors? Maybe if instead of moving to a whole new state every time someone offered you another perk you put down some roots and started contributing to your own home town, you wouldn't need to rely on an impersonal and easily spoofed credit reporting system.

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    2. Re:No way by lubricated · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > I live in Dickinson, North Dakota.

      population 16,000 in the middle of a state that's in the middle of nowhere.

      And thus you know everything there is to know about meeting people in New York City.

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    3. Re:No way by Thunderstruck · · Score: 1

      Haven't had a date in a while, eh Lubricated?

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    4. Re:No way by dirkdidit · · Score: 1

      I, too, am from North Dakota (Minot to be specific). The parent is right. You'd be surprised how effective getting out and meeting people can be when it comes to references. You'll build up a reputation for yourself in the town you live in (which, atleast around here, is invaluable for taking a loan out a local bank). A lot of banks in my hometown won't do business with you if you are new to the area. Having atleast some reputation in your community, even if its just in the neighborhood, can be invaluable.

      Granted, most of us North Dakotans are so gosh darn friendly and are willing to do anything to help each other out.

    5. Re:No way by dirkdidit · · Score: 4, Funny
      the middle of a state that's in the middle of nowhere

      Not to nitpick or anything, but Dickinson is slightly west and south of the middle of nowhere. The middle of nowhere is actually in Rugby, ND, which is the geographic center of North America.
    6. Re:No way by justins · · Score: 1
      Overall, this process of trying to holistically determine credit worthiness without a centralized system would be slow as hell and obscenely expensive, if for no other reason than it would be so ineffective that banks would have to charge higher rates to account for their inability to determine credit worthiness. I don't like credit fraud either, but let's not toss the baby with the bathwater here.

      But would you really be tossing the baby with the bathwater? Banking functioned very well for eons before centralized credit reporting.
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    7. Re:No way by JimBobJoe · · Score: 1

      Overall, this process of trying to holistically determine credit worthiness without a centralized system would be slow as hell and obscenely expensive

      I used to feel that this is the main defense for the centralized credit system, and now I've put it into the disadvantage pile.

      I certainly know that there are responsible individuals who profit from instant credit...however, the vast majority of americans have screwed the pooch raw...to the point that we have a *negative* savings rate.

      Though I can't be sure of this, I believe a lot of debt transactions would not occur if you had to wait a few days for that car loan or Abercrombie and Fitch card to be approved.

      Having said all that, it's hard for us to imagine not having the instant credit/centralized system. Keep in mind however, it's fairly new (early to mid 1970s is when it began.) Though I didn't live in New York City prior to then, I'm pretty sure they had systems and institutions in place to handle the credit approval needs of its citizens. Perhaps not as quickly as they do now, but my thesis is becoming that that is not necessarily a disadvantage.

    8. Re:No way by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 1
      Yes, it was incredibly inefficient relative today, and you had to be fairly wealthy to actually back. They expected you to show up with collateral, or know someone who had collateral. There's a reason that Columbus had to visit several monarchs before he could get funding to buy supplies to go on a little trip in 1492.

      Back in the day, banking was an "old boys club". That is to say, you had to know somebody somehow some way personally to do banking (or convince them you have some crazy idea that might work). Heck in the dark ages, I'm fairly sure they never loaned money to serfs, only to the lords and aristocrasty. Now, I never know the banker I'm dealing with. Heck I bought a home, and never met anyone associated with the people loaned me mony. Having people on staff to get to know everyone you want to loan money to is incredibly expensive. It's much cheaper to just have the computers generate a number for you.

      However, there is part of me that harkens back to that day and age. I really hate certain things banks do. In the US at least, they loan nearly anybody money, and then force everyone who pays, to cover the debts of the people who default (see PMI insurance when getting a mortgage for instance). In aggregate it's a good system, but I am fairly responsible with money and wish I could have gotten out of PMI sooner (in the end, I did, but it wasn't until I started investigating what could be done that I figured it out).

      Kirby

    9. Re:No way by lubricated · · Score: 1

      nope, I'm married.

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    10. Re:No way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm, I read they moved the middle of nowhere in 1971... Why could we not move it to Dickinson, North Dakota for the next 30 years?

    11. Re:No way by berck · · Score: 1

      Wow. I was in Dickinson, ND a few months ago. It didn't look like you guys had the internet, much less slashdot readers:)

      Spent the weekend and Buffalo Gap Ranch... Nice cheap lodging in the middle of nowhere with a bar. That's the way it should be.

    12. Re:No way by justins · · Score: 1
      In the US at least, they loan nearly anybody money, and then force everyone who pays, to cover the debts of the people who default

      See, that's the sort of thing that makes me think losing centralized credit reporting wouldn't hurt banking that bad. They already have so much bad policy anyway, in spite of strong data collection ability...
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    13. Re:No way by cylcyl · · Score: 1

      Yes, but he said the middle of "nowhere", not the US or North America. So, I side with him

    14. Re:No way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus you'll eventually end up talking to someone who turns out to have a personality disorder and starts showing up at your home or calling at inappropriate times, getting enraged over perceived slights, spreading ugly rumors, etc.

      It is better to be selective about who you talk to.

    15. Re:No way by fvbommel · · Score: 1

      I know like 5 people in my entire building.

      So do I. Of course, that would be my family, me being one of them. Oh, that and nobody else lives in our house.

    16. Re:No way by smyle · · Score: 1
      I live in Westmoreland KS, population 650.

      Literally one degree of separation from everyone in town.

      What's scarier? I could name a dozen towns smaller than mine without trying very hard.

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    17. Re:No way by piovere · · Score: 1

      I live in Mt Pleasant, SC. After 3 months I know only my roommates and some people with whom I work. And, 3 months from now I'll probably be moving again. Why? I'm in the Navy, and haven't got much choice in the matter.

      While getting to know one's community is generally a very rewarding thing, the "moving to a whole new town" isn't such a horrible thing--sometimes a job requires it, and sometimes people want to see what's out there--why should they have to wait 6 months to rent an apartment when they've done nothing wrong? It's not unreasonable for them to expect that their identities are safe.

  34. This isn't about fake id's by Phil+John · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it's about stealing people's identities (by obtaining as much information about them) and setting up loans etc. in their name. The criminals then don't repay, the loan company comes knocking on the victims door and they then have to spend time and money reinstating their good name and credit rating.

    Identity theifs really are the lowest of the low as far as "white collar" crime goes, I hope this guy rots in a stinking cell for as long as possible.

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  35. In Other News... by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 2, Funny

    To add insult to injury, Mr. Cummings has now learned that everything he has purchased with his stolen ID's has been confiscated, including his new robot... his new girl robot. Heh heh heh...

    1. Re:In Other News... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hehe. so much for the best prom ever...

    2. Re:In Other News... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not other news. It's still the same story.

  36. Id Theft by Antonymous+Flower · · Score: 1

    Those who do the most for the system should get the most out of the system. These 'ID theives' destroy the system and can possibly profit the most. Every time I give my personal information to some rude unknown face behind a desk I feel the paranoia take over. If he, she, or their shady friends in the back decide to use my information to destroy the quality of my identity it is definate that I will suffer. Yet it is not definate that they will be caught. We aren't reading the story of the guy who made X millions and willingly moved to unknown paradise. You'll never hear the story of the ultimate hack. The solutions of tiered systems, biometrics and others may bring profit to corporations but ultimately the information still exists and may still be abused. Debt has no meaning if it applies to anyone who can claim to be anyone. The "Information Age" is flawed indeed.

  37. Have you tried saying no? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Up here in Canada only goverment agencies, employers and banks are allowed to require SIN (equivilent to SSN). Anyone else you just tell them no you won't give them your SIN, and they have to provide whatever service or product anyways.

    1. Re:Have you tried saying no? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Up here in Canada only goverment agencies, employers and banks are allowed to require SIN

      Not all government agencies can require it, this page lists authorized uses. Note that banks (even for high-interest savings accounts), credit card issuers, and landlords can't require it - I've always left that field blank on their forms, and they've all provided service without questioning it.

    2. Re:Have you tried saying no? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, I was commenting to a friend just the other day: I'm born in Canada and I've had a SIN since university, but I've never memorized it: I use it so rarely. On the other hand, I worked in USA for three years, and I had to give out my SSN so often I still remember it (after being back three years).

  38. Philip CUMMINGs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His cellmates anyway.

  39. Meanwhile, at George Mason University.... by 44BSD · · Score: 2, Interesting

    32,000 staff and student ID records, including photographs and SSN's have been exposed to {h|cr}ackers, possibly for as long as two months. GMU is home to The Center for Secure Information Systems. In other news, the cobbler's children are going barefoot...

    1. Re:Meanwhile, at George Mason University.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not fair to try point any of the blame on the research departments of a University for a university's lack of administrative aptitude.

      Most universities from their own IT department from people on the job market, not from PhD scientists and professors at the University, so I don't really see why you're trying to connect this to innocent people.

      Would you blame your university's medical school if there was an outbreak of the common cold?

    2. Re:Meanwhile, at George Mason University.... by electr01nik · · Score: 1
      No, but I would blame the medical school if there was an outbreak of a biological agent in their custody (example: for research, temporary or permanent storage, etc.) due to inappropiate measures in the storage or handling of said agent.

      While we don't know the specifics of how this information was obtained (the article stated that school officials were uncertain as to whether this was an 'inside' or 'outside' job), it's akin to a security flaw going unpatched because the sysadmins "hadn't gotten around to it."

      By no means is this any stretch of the imagination. Jan 3rd, when the 'break-in' was discovered puts it right in the middle of xmas break (barring any sort of academic 'mini-semester' [re: 1 course, 3 weeks, 3-4 days a week, 6-8 hours in the classroom and you walk away with an additional course unit, do this for four years and you have a semester's worth of credits), and while many college employees may be working during said break, often times vacations are scheduled for the holidays, which could leave the IT department short-staffed for a temporary period (possibly in the hands of mere PHBs or minimal student-run helpdesk support), but enough time methinks for a flaw to be discovered and exploited, which very well may be the case @ GMU.

    3. Re:Meanwhile, at George Mason University.... by 44BSD · · Score: 1

      Would I blame my University's medical school if their was an outbreak of the common cold? No.

      Would I say that it is ironic that the same institution which houses a recognized information security center of excellence suffers a rather un-common breach of information security which goes undetected for weeks? Yes.

      Would I say that reflexively blaming the IT staff is presumptuous, because for all we know at this point this was a failure of management, including but not limited to internal audit, to ensure that adequate controls for the detection of unauthorized disclosure were in place? Yes.

  40. Re:Cummings, who is still free on bail, must repor by pasde · · Score: 0



    Are you kidding me? 14 years in Jail or move to Ecuador, hmmmmm?

    And how would you get there? Hidden in the back of a car or in someone's luggage? You won't get through customs. Your passport is definitely revoked in such case.

  41. UK credit reports? by IO+ERROR · · Score: 1

    Does the UK still file credit reports by physical address? This bit quite a few people when they moved into an address, and the previous resident racked a bunch of bad debts. The new residents suddenly found they were being denied credit based on the history of the address.

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    1. Re:UK credit reports? by nzkbuk · · Score: 1

      yes it still works like that.
      The trick is to use the same credit places.

      When asked for credit they ask typically ask for 3-5 years of addresses.

  42. Re:Cummings, who is still free on bail, must repor by the-build-chicken · · Score: 1

    yacht?

  43. Why do you call this THEFT? by r6144 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I agree with many slashdotters that copyright infringement is different from theft, so why do you call this "theft"? After all, the victim did not lose his identity, and if you consider the money as stolen (which may be true, but it is still somewhat different IMHO), it isn't the identity that got stolen...

    I'm not condoning the behavior, I just don't like the wording.

    1. Re:Why do you call this THEFT? by servognome · · Score: 1

      A rose by any other name...
      Does it really matter if it's called identity theft, identity piracy, or illegal identity duplication? Would the penalty for such a crime be different?
      The term "identity theft" is used because it is something people can relate to. While not the true definition, theft is associated with taking something that doesn't belong to you (regardless of depriving the original owner). Legally the crime falls under Fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents and information. Which do you think a lay person would understand more?
      Do you go bashing people for referring to their desktop machine as a "computer" and not "personal computer" or "micro-computer"?

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    2. Re:Why do you call this THEFT? by Presence1 · · Score: 1

      Ok, maybe it should more properly be called "Identity Piracy", since it is more like 'piracy' of copyrighted materials. Someone makes, uses and benefits from an unauthorized copy, but the original owner is not deprived of the copy. "Identity Piracy" even has kind of a ring to it -- hmmm...

      So, what is the origin of "Piracy"? Seafaring gangs that boarded other ships and stole their treasure at gunpoint, right? So, pirates deprived the owners of their goods, which would mean that piracy is thievery, so where does that leave us?

      oh nevermind...

    3. Re:Why do you call this THEFT? by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, slashdot. Where you can argue the definition of the word "theft" for *hours*.

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    4. Re:Why do you call this THEFT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Identity fraud) and (theft). Two crimes. Can somebody make it unambiguous without the bracket?

    5. Re:Why do you call this THEFT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ahhh, slashdot. Where you can argue the definition of the word "theft" for *hours*.


      Well, we do have other amusements as well. I for one prefer to make snide comments about other commenters. It's popular and it's fun!

    6. Re:Why do you call this THEFT? by radishfarmer · · Score: 1

      One reason to resist the word theft when describing copyright violation is that copies do not degrade the original, while a physical theft deprives the owner of an object's use.

      In contrast, identity fraud does degrade the original identity. It causes real grief in lost time, lost money, lost jobs -- possibly even criminal charges.

      If I am unable to enjoy my "identity" through your use of it, theft seems an approriate word.

  44. Others countries dont have a credit report system by droopycom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    France for example....

    And their system is working fine.

    As long as you have a paycheck or a parent with a paycheck that can back you up you can usually rent an appartement.

    Also French people use credit a lot less tahn American, and I guess thats better for everybody.

  45. So $10/hr is the cut-off point for honesty? by VT_hawkeye · · Score: 1

    If you make $10/hr or less, you're allowed to rip people off at will? I've heard of relative moral codes before, but this takes the cake.

    1. Re:So $10/hr is the cut-off point for honesty? by RollingThunder · · Score: 1

      Not that you're allowed to, but that it's not surprising when it happens.

  46. What a moron by erroneus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know, I feel that crime is bad and all... I wouldn't risk my future on it -- I know first-hand how damaging a felony can ruin a person's life as I've seen it. It's frightening really. Losing all those rights... even the ones you think you don't need. That said, it tweaks me more to see how stupid the average criminal really is. Take this guy for example.

    Using information collected from your work place is a REALLY stupid thing to do. When masses of ID theft cases are compiled, it seems pretty obvious that these collections will have things in common such as places where the stolen information was used. It stands to reason that there would be one or two places where a collection will have information in common such as where they shopped. This fact brings the people responsible one big step closer to being caught. From there it's simply a matter of detective work to narrow the selection of people down to a few or even one.

    When a crime is repeated over and over and over again, it simply increases the likelihood of being caught. I read somewhere here on Slashdot a bit of criminal advice that just makes too much sense. If you are going to commit a crime, make sure it has two criteria met: (1) It's big enough that it is worth the risks involved and (2) that you never EVER do it again.

    Criminals get caught because they do it and keep doing it. They also don't seem to plan to get away with it. Stupid stupid stupid....

    1. Re:What a moron by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      What I've been told by more than one police officer goes something like:

      "If they'd only break one law at a time, our job would be a lot harder."

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  47. security... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's funny, most people's answer to protecting yourself from id theft is "don't your card over the internet, those hackers will get it!" I work at a hotel doing valet, and i can step behind the desk anytime i want and take a glimpse at any guests full personal information (including credit card). I was actually subjected to a background check, but it would seem to make sense to limit access to this info as much as possible. I don't think the customer would be too pleased about anyone other than the reservation agent looking at their info. anyways, my point being, in this day and age you don't know what's going on with your info. You might as well take comfort in knowing your bank will cover the fraud.

  48. Biggest Identity Thief Ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In fact, he took up two cells! He was BIG I tell you!

  49. Re: France by Will_Malverson · · Score: 1
    Other countries don't have a credit report system...France for example...[a]nd their system is working fine.


    I've heard this about France before, that they don't have a US-style credit report system; What are mortgage rates like there, compared to the US?
  50. Re:Just write it off I guess - a victimless crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you make it sound like it's a victimless crime. company's employee people that provide goods and/or services to other people. guess who "gets hurt".

  51. quid pro quo by lubricated · · Score: 2, Insightful

    no one said anyone is allowed to rip people off. Simply that if you pay your employees shit, you get shit employees. Like this guy.

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    1. Re:quid pro quo by RajivSLK · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if every company paid their employees at least $20/hour then all the "shit" employees will be making $20/hour. They'll still be shit. It's not a solution. You should be ranting against bad schools or poor parents or whatever is actually fucking these people up.

  52. of course the creditor... by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The actual "victim" in these cases is almost always the creditor

    Of course, the creditor makes up that money by charging everyone higher interest rates. Also, it IS possible for identity theft to lead to someone walking into a bank with your info, SSN, valid ID, et cetera and clear out your bank account. But most of the time it's the far easier credit card fraud.

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    1. Re:of course the creditor... by packeteer · · Score: 1

      Of course, the creditor makes up that money by charging everyone higher interest rates.

      Learn some basic economics man. The credit card companies charge as much as they can. They are out to intake the highest amount of money possible. The cost of producing an item or service such as credit cards has nothing to do with how much a company charges for its product.

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    2. Re:of course the creditor... by QMO · · Score: 1

      Basic Economics:

      The credit card companies charge as much as they can, and I chose the company that gives me the best rates. The companies that have more costs can't have lower interest rates and don't get my business.
      The credit card market is somewhat competitive.

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    3. Re:of course the creditor... by Thorwak · · Score: 1

      Learn some basic economics man. The credit card companies charge as much as they can.

      While this is true, competition affects how much a given company can charge if they want any business.

      Since all creditors (I guess) are vulnerable to this type of crime, all creditors have more expenses. This affects the minimum operating cost and effectively caps how low (on interests, fees etc) a given creditor can go (to get new customers etc).

      In the end this obviously affects the price the customer has to pay.

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  53. If my name was Cummings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be looking for a new identity too.

  54. How do other countries do this? by JRHelgeson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The USA uses the Social Security Number to apply for credit. How do citizens of other countries apply for credit? What unique identifying number do they use to identify themselves? Do they have companies similar to Experian, TransUnion or Equifax?

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    1. Re:How do other countries do this? by eikonos · · Score: 1

      Canada has Social Insurance Numbers, which are pretty much the same thing as SSNs. I don't know about Experian, but TransUnion and Equifax operate in Canada too.

    2. Re:How do other countries do this? by Joel+from+Sydney · · Score: 1

      Do they have companies similar to Experian, TransUnion or Equifax?

      I've never heard of those companies.

      Here in Australia, we generally use combinations of ID to prove who we are. If I was to apply for a credit card, I would need several different documents to prove who I was. I'd probably need my birth certificate (or a certified legitimate copy), my driver's license or passport, my Medicare (Government-run health care) card, and at least two things with my current address.

      Advantages and disadvantages I guess. There's no single point for failure (like a SSN), but it's a hassle keeping all your forms of ID up to date and secure.

    3. Re:How do other countries do this? by JRHelgeson · · Score: 1

      Is there a single repository for credit reporting data? Who keeps track of people with *good* credit or *bad* credit?

      Is Identity theft a uniquely American Problem?

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    4. Re:How do other countries do this? by Joel+from+Sydney · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not aware of a single repository for credit reporting data, though I don't work in the finance industry. I think our system works slightly differently in that we don't put as much emphasis on "credit". Most of our credit purchases are done via credit cards, which then makes it the financial institution's job to keep track of their own customers.

      I'd be extremely surprised if they didn't share good and bad risk type information amongst themselves though.

      As for the third question, identity theft seems as much of a problem here as it is in the US. Access to one source of compromised information generally reveals a multitude of data about a person. There's no reason that couldn't be used maliciously.

    5. Re:How do other countries do this? by DM9290 · · Score: 1

      In canada, while it is in fact common for companies to request Social Insurance Number (SIN) numbers for credit, you need not provide it. (most credit card applications go so far as to indicate it is optional).

      The only time you pretty much need to provide SIN is when you are dealing with someone who will need to issue you income tax forms because you are being paid an income by them. (this includes your employer and possibly your bank)

      You do not need a SIN to do a credit check (in Canada).

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    6. Re:How do other countries do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the Netherlands have a similar system, except here it's run by the government.
      There's an ID similar to the US SSN, and of course bank account information, passports, etc.).

      When you apply for any loan at all you are registered with the agency, any other lender can then check your status there.
      No companies who might make a quick buck before leaving the country by selling the information...

    7. Re:How do other countries do this? by Gwala · · Score: 1

      Pretty much.

      I read through all the paperwork when I applied for my credit card a while ago, the bank's/lenders reserve the right to give credit information to other financial institutions, so it looks like they just trade the info between themselves, but there isnt a central entity involved.

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    8. Re:How do other countries do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Romania, a person can apply for credit in 3 ways:
      1) bank
      2) credit union
      3) commercial store

      The first 2 will give you cash in hand, but it's very hard to fake it since you always need a few people guaranteeing over your credit (if you fail to pay back, they are all responsible for the *entire* sum they guaranteed).
      The third way is you go to a supermarket, buy(get) a product and apply for credit. Most require only your ID Card and no advance payment. The credit is maximum 750euros (1000$) and you could probably sell the product for 3/4 of the price. The problem with this approach is that there are 2 types of ID Cards: an old type which expires soon and a new type (hard plastic covering a vacuum so that any puncture will render that useless) which I've never seen forged.

      Bottom line is it's not worth it, but on another side, banks are beggining to lessen their requirements and offer "current needs credits" to attract credit union customers.

      However if you go to the trouble of creating a firm for yourself (using fake id?), you can easily go to the bank and, with fake guarantees, obtain a credit and presto. Do this for small amounts ... under 10.000-20.000 euros depending on the bank. This is complicated because most banks will not give credit to firms unless they are older than 1 year and a system was develop so that if you cheat a bank, every bank can know about it.

    9. Re:How do other countries do this? by rylin · · Score: 1

      In .se, we apply with our PIN (Personal Identification Number). It's basically the year, month, day you were born, along with four digits that work out in which part of the country you were born, along with gender etc.

      This, along with name, address, phonenumber etc. gets passed on to "UC", a crediting-central.
      It's their job to see what my current income is, along with any debts I currently have.

      In other words, companies ask UC "Does this guy qualify for a debt of XXXXX kronor, payable at XXX kronor per month?

      None of the information regarding my salary or debts is passed on to the actual merchant.

    10. Re:How do other countries do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Germany we use ID-cards (which are quite hard to fake).

  55. Partially their fault by Prof.+Pi · · Score: 1

    If they had done a better job of checking the applicant's identity, maybe they wouldn't have the problem.

    It used to be, you had to show up in an office to get something as simple as phone service. But hey, that's too inconvenient for today. Gotta make things easy for the applicant, so they'll be more likely to do it.

    Making people show up would introduce an extra check into the process. At least the thieves would need to go through the trouble of making fake IDs.

  56. one can only hope.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that one of his victims will be in the same prison that he ends up in. Even at current exchange rates, £76m is alot of license plates.

  57. Re:Just write it off I guess - Yeah, and the rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry, but what's a day in a persons life worth these day's ?

    Some people's time may be worth absolutily nothing to their bosses (as long as it's not spend in the company's time), but is worth a lot more to whomever has to spend it (in their own time), trying to set things right (making damn sure that that money is not subtracted from their account).

    In short : rectifying such an abuse alone costs money, even if not (directly) subtracted from the account of the victim ...

  58. Small towns suck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not everybody wants to live in a hole in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of god-forsaken hicks.

    I grew up in a small town. I got the fuck out for a reason. Thanks, but no thanks, I'll stick to a centralized system.

    1. Re:Small towns suck. by dirkdidit · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey now, we're not all hicks up here. Yes, we have those people who part cars on blocks in front of their trailer, but so does every other state.

      We're rather intelligent, atleast when it comes to test scores. North Dakota has some of the highest educational test scores in the nation. We might live in a rural part of the country, but that doesn't mean we just live scattered out on the prairie, drinking beer and riding our tractors. Most people in North Dakota actually live in cities (well, what we call cities...population 10,000 or more) and have jobs in the service industry. Agriculture is a huge part of our state economy, however its really made up of a rather small group of people, and even the farmers usually aren't too hickish.

      Tourism is our second largest industry-sector, behind agriculture. You'd be surprised what North Dakota has to offer.

    2. Re:Small towns suck. by Zoshnell · · Score: 1

      You mean to say that Hollywood has lied to me about the drinking hooch and tractor riding??? Thats it, I'm moving to Alabama, where stereotypes are stereotypes!

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  59. Small town logic won't work everywhere... by Otto · · Score: 1

    Maybe if instead of moving to a whole new state every time someone offered you another perk you put down some roots and started contributing to your own home town

    Maybe instead of contributing to your home town you could grow up out of the 1920's and started contributing to society as a whole?

    Some of see the bigger picture here. Like contributing to society as a whole, or making the world better as a world instea do fjust making your little slice of it better. We tried the small town concept a hundred years ago. It doesn't work. It never worked. It's a fantasy. And today, small towns can only exist as leeches off the cities. Look at what happens to any little hick burg when the one or two major employers shut down and move away? Answer: the town dies. Why does it die? Because it only existed because of the infusion of money provided by those in the city buying the goods produced by that industry.

    And while it's nice and well and good to like where you live (and I love where I live), not everybody wants to live in some hole so small that you could know everybody else. Because that's essentially what you're saying here. Everybody knows everybody and so it's easy to judge a man's character or his honesty and thus gauge the risk involved. That's fine when everybody does indeed know everybody, but in a big city that's not only infeasible, but impossible.

    Seriously, if you like living in the sticks then that's fine. But applying your small town logic to bigger areas simply makes no sense. A credit reporting system is necessary. It may not be fair, and it may be badly made, but the correct solution is to fix the system, not to dump it.

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    1. Re:Small town logic won't work everywhere... by ObitMan · · Score: 1

      "Maybe instead of contributing to your home town you could grow up out of the 1920's and started contributing to society as a whole?"

      Dont forget that the majority of food this country consumes comes out of those little home towns and the communities that surround them.
      Thats a damn fine contribution to society as a whole I think.

      Who is leeching off of whom?

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    2. Re:Small town logic won't work everywhere... by QMO · · Score: 1

      Quote: "small towns can only exist as leeches off the cities"

      You'll perhaps notice that states/counties with large cities nearly always have much higher taxes than more rural states/counties. In other words, if I live in a small town that is not politically dependent on a big city, I pay less taxes.
      Who is leeching off whom?

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    3. Re:Small town logic won't work everywhere... by Otto · · Score: 1

      Of course rural areas pay less taxes. They're being supported/propped up by the taxes/money of those in the cities. This is fairly obvious.

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    4. Re:Small town logic won't work everywhere... by Otto · · Score: 1

      Dont forget that the majority of food this country consumes comes out of those little home towns and the communities that surround them.
      Thats a damn fine contribution to society as a whole I think.


      Ahh, the farmer notion. Except for the fact that you're completely wrong, you have a point.

      Nearly all the food in the country comes from the rural areas, true, but the amount of people these farming operations employ is nowhere near high enough to explain the population of these small towns. There's a lot of farmers out there, true, but there's a hell of a lot more people in these sorts of rural areas than you can easily explain by farming. Farming turned into big business long ago, and what you generally have is some company or corporation owning hundreds of thousands of acres and farming the whole thing. Thanks to automated machinery, this is a relatively low manpower operation. A few dozen people can farm several hundred thousands of acres.

      In fact, most of these towns are supported by one or sometimes two major industrial operations that tends to dominate the town. Usually some kind of low level manufacturing or raw materials type of concern. The auto industry accounts for a large amount of this sort of thing, actually. All those parts in the cars have to be made somewhere.

      But the fact of the matter is that the cash for these goods comes from the big cities, for the most part. It's a mutally beneficial relationship. The rural areas export goods and the cities export cash and, basically, civilization. Each to the other's benefit.

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    5. Re:Small town logic won't work everywhere... by QMO · · Score: 1

      Read it again.
      Rural areas that are NOT being "propped up" by big cities pay less taxes.

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    6. Re:Small town logic won't work everywhere... by Otto · · Score: 1

      Rural areas that are NOT being "propped up" by big cities pay less taxes.

      Do you not see the flaw in your own statement? A rural area paying less taxes is being propped up by a big city, by definition. The city pays more taxes which go to support the rural area.

      And in any case, there are no rural areas that are not being propped up by big cities.

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    7. Re:Small town logic won't work everywhere... by QMO · · Score: 1

      One more time, a little slower, just for you.

      Quote: "A rural area paying less taxes is being propped up by a big city, by definition."

      Being propped up would require them have an interchange of tax money.
      However, When the interchange of tax money is easier (the rural area is in the same county/state as the big city) the rural areas have HIGHER taxes.
      To re-explain: The rural areas that have more tax associations with big cities nearly always have more taxes than similar areas that have less less "propping up" from big cities.

      The rural areas that are NOT tied to metro areas (thus can't be "propped up") have LOWER taxes.

      For an example look at the communities in Essex County, NJ that are trying to create a new county that doesn't contain Newark, NJ. Those communities find that being "propped up" by the big city is too expensive.

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    8. Re:Small town logic won't work everywhere... by Thunderstruck · · Score: 1

      Nearly all the food in the country comes from the rural areas, true, but the amount of people these farming operations employ is nowhere near high enough to explain the population of these small towns.

      I'm beginning to suspect you've never been to one. Most of the in-town labor comes from value-added agriculture. Meat packing, baking products, dairy processing, shipping, elevators, ethanol and soy biodisel plants, oil rigs ... this is what employs people in small midwestern towns. Come to think of it, there isn't an automotive plant within 500 miles of me.

      Farming turned into big business long ago, and what you generally have is some company or corporation owning hundreds of thousands of acres and farming the whole thing.

      This is just plain false, and illegal in some states. Where are you getting this?

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  60. A couple of quarters? by yaff · · Score: 1

    ...and the total stolen over just a couple of years was somewhere in the $50m-100m range.

    He only stole somewhere between 50 cents and a dollar? Is it just the engineer in me or do other people hate the use of 'm' for "million" instead of 'M'? And yes, I use an ERP system at work that shows things in millidollars. Woo.

    Ahh, the freedom to waste karma on a point of order...

    1. Re:A couple of quarters? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      It's funny, when I submitted the story, I momentarily contemplated the same point. I decided that I'd stick to the accepted practice -- using "m" -- and trust that no-one would bother commenting...

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  61. Unfortunately, the people ARE the victims by Presence1 · · Score: 1

    In the case of Identity Theft, much more is likely to be taken than just running up bills on an unsecured cretid card, and even that is bad enough. Identity thieves have taken out loans, mortgages, and even given the stolen identity when arrested for crimes.

    For all of these, the victim must mount a REAL defence. This costs enormous amounts of time and money and a lot of aggravation.

    A huge part of the problem is that he banks and other institutions PRESUME that YOU are lying, and that you are responsible for the debts.

    I have friends who have had to deal with relatively light versions of account theft. It is an absurd and expensive distraction even when the bank acknowledges you are right. The banks can't get the mess cleaned up efficiently, and you must hound them for months.

    Try doing a few hundred hours of utterly unproductive work with people who are uncooperative at best and hostile at worst, to merely not pay debts that aren't yours and to recover good standing that was yours. Also spend some real money on documentation and lawyers.

    THEN tell me that it is only the companies that are victims.

    1. Re:Unfortunately, the people ARE the victims by American_Idiot · · Score: 1

      Very good point. My brother has been through Identity theft and only found out when he tried to get his "First Time Home Buyers" loan and they said "You have already used that for a house in Indiana" when he lives in California.
      WHAT THE HELL. This happened in 2001 and he is still feeling the ramifications of this.

    2. Re:Unfortunately, the people ARE the victims by KUHurdler · · Score: 1

      He should have found out where in indiana and then moved in. Then call the police when the "trespassers" arrive.

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  62. Re:Cummings, who is still free on bail, must repor by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

    And how would you get there? Hidden in the back of a car or in someone's luggage? You won't get through customs. Your passport is definitely revoked in such case.

    Yeah, if only he had some way of getting a new identity.

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  63. Human Copyright Infringement by HermanAB · · Score: 1

    There, feel better now?

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  64. It makes me sad by Jozer99 · · Score: 1

    It makes me sad that no one who's identity was stolen will ever see a dime. I am going to write angry E-Mails to the government with all of my identities.

  65. with somewhere in the $50m-100m range.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Are you kidding me? 14 years in Jail or move to Ecuador, hmmmmm?

    move to Ecuador with "somewhere in the $50m-100m range"

  66. Unique SSNs by KMSelf · · Score: 1
    SSN's aren't unique, they get reused

    Wrong. Not legally, at any rate.

    The keyspace is limited, however. Ideally, 1 billion distinct values. In practice, somewhat fewer. Groups 800-999 are not assigned, and Railroad Retirement Act numbers extend the range with "R##" "area" numbers.

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  67. FBI Press Release - Nigerian connection? by mabu · · Score: 1

    You notice that when the Americans cover the story, they conveniently leave out the names of the companies involved?

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    NO ORDINARY CASE OF IDENTITY THEFT
    The Largest in U.S. History

    10/18/04

    Uncovering Identity Theft graphicIt began with a crooked "insider" who had access to a nearly unending supply of personal consumer information.

    It ended up the largest case of identity theft ever investigated and prosecuted in the U.S.--with 30,000 victims across the U.S. and Canada and millions of dollars in losses.

    It's also a cautionary tale for you--the consumer.

    First, the crime. The "insider" was Philip Cummings, a help desk employee with a Long Island, NY, company that provided special software to its client companies--like banks and other financial institutions--allowing them to download consumer credit reports from the three major commercial credit reporting agencies.

    Cummings had access to his clients' codes and passwords, which meant he could download virtually all the consumer credit reports he wanted. And he did, after being approached by a ring of Nigerian nationals who offered to pay for copies. Even after leaving the company, Cummings continued using his inside knowledge to download and sell credit reports to this identity theft ring for another two years.

    The damage. Considerable. Thousands of personal savings accounts were looted. Fake charges were racked up on credit cards. Addresses on bank accounts were changed so that new credit, check, and ATM cards were mailed directly to the thieves.

    How the case was solved. Federal authorities--the FBI, with the assistance of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the Secret Service--were called in to investigate when a major credit company discovered that thousands of credit reports had been downloaded without permission. Soon other companies were reporting the same thing. A review of the victim companies' 1-800 phone records led investigators to the Long Island company that employed Philip Cummings...and ultimately, to Cummings himself and his partners in crime. Last month, Cummings pled guilty in the massive scheme. Trials for his co-defendants are upcoming.

    What you should know about identity theft. The FBI is committed to preventing it ... and investigating cases that do occur, in concert with our partners. And private sector companies--like the ones victimized in this case--are working to install better safeguards to protect consumer information.

  68. institutionalized conformity by SethJohnson · · Score: 1



    Having atleast some reputation in your community, even if its just in the neighborhood, can be invaluable.

    Great. I'm going to have to check my behavior for decades in order to get a home loan. Can't have a funny haircut. Can't put that John Kerry bumper sticker on my car. Can't rally for the reform of marijuana criminalization. It could jeopardize my credit rating, which is dependent on everyone in my conservative small town liking me. Heaven help me if I'm gay and/or black.

    I'm not saying all white people in small towns are racist or homophobic. I'm saying that this system you're advocating tends to favor the majority over the minority.

    1. Re:institutionalized conformity by dirkdidit · · Score: 1

      Yes, that sounds a lot like North Dakota, however, you failed to remember that North Dakota has no minority.

  69. Re:Cummings, who is still free on bail, must repor by Infinityis · · Score: 1

    From what I saw in a movie once, all he needs is a Bourne Identity, and he can get through any place he needs...embassies, customs, you name it.

  70. Mexico by alienmole · · Score: 1

    It's not particularly difficult to walk across the border into Mexico. After that, all you need is money. $30k or so will buy you citizenship in a few countries down south.

    Actually, if this guy really has access to a lot of ready cash, he could just buy or charter a nice boat in Florida, and pay the captain not to worry about his passport.

  71. How much? by totallygeek · · Score: 1

    Fifty to 100 million? Why the hell was he a help desk worker? Why wasn't he out blowing money on yachts and jets and basketball teams?

    1. Re:How much? by KUHurdler · · Score: 1

      Because it would be a sorry basketball team, with only one player.

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  72. That's very odd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Banks are required by law to report your income from interest. How can they do that without your SIN? And in fact, here's a contradictory document showing that banks can require your SIN:
    http://www.privcom.gc.ca/fs-fi/02_05_d_02_e. asp

  73. The state of the UK by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1
    At least it's not to the same extent (i think) that it is in the UK. But that's not to say it won't be.

    You're backwards, I'm afraid, at least for now. The ID card measures proposed by Blunkett, and now supported by Clarke (his successor as Home Secretary), are as yet only that: proposals. They'd love to drive them through, but there's enormous opposition even within the government, and given the current infighting among the majority party, it would be imprudent for them to attempt to force through measures to implement these things any time soon. They're only just now introducing the first bills into parliament to support these, and actually having them as compulsory things is around a decade away, assuming the government can even set up the system to run them effectively, which it probably can't.

    And FWIW, my National Insurance number (the closest UK equivalent of the SSN) has only ever been needed for financial and employment dealings, where it's directly relevant.

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    1. Re:The state of the UK by me+at+werk · · Score: 1

      Yes, I thought about how I worded it wrong after I posted it, but thought it best to just hope people didn't get uptight over the fact that currently, it's just proposals. The link I gave even showed that it was just a proposal, but as it was old news it could have been viewed as "it was the future back then".

      Sorry.

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  74. They're terrible :-( by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

    The UK credit reporting system is terrible. After surprisingly being completely denied credit, I asked the card company for the name of the credit reference agency they use (there are only three, and they are legally required to tell me which one(s) they use, if any). I got a copy of the report (which the agency is legally required to provide to me, for a nominal fee) and found numerous minor discrepancies. The best bit was when, having finally got through to one of their agents on the phone after something like half an hour in the queuing system, I was asked whether these blatant errors were really important "because it's 5:05 and I'm supposed to have finished my shift by now".

    It turned out that I'd been refused because the web page taking the application had one of these automatic address database things -- enter your postcode and the number of your house, and it looks up the rest of your address. This is becoming quite common, and is often a convenient time saver, but in this case it got mine wrong, and so obviously they couldn't find any credit record for me at all, so I got automatic refusal of credit.

    Ain't modern technology wonderful?

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  75. As a landlord... by lorcha · · Score: 1
    ...I can tell you that you couldn't be more wrong. Well, you could be, since I agree with you that the current system just invites identity theft, but the solution is not to scrap it.

    As a landlord, I want to know two things:

    1. Is this applicant likely to pay the rent on time
    2. Is this applicant likely to take good care of my property
    To answer #2, I do as you say. I call previous landlords, employers, references, etc. But to answer #1, I need to know from the gas company, the electric company, the credit card companies, etc., does this applicant pay his/her bills in full and on time? I know of no way to answer that other than to run credit, so credit I run.

    If you can suggest another way for me to ascertain my risk exposure without running credit, I'd be all ears. Running credit is not free, and I'd love to hear another way to find out payment history from all the applicant's past and present creditors.

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  76. My reason for maxing them out.... by Mostly+Monkey · · Score: 1

    That's my reason (er, excuse) for maxing all my cards out. Good luck buying anything on my mastercard. ;o)

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  77. RTFA by lorcha · · Score: 1

    He was not just any helpdesk operator. He was a helpdesk operator for "a New York-based software company which helps lenders access major credit databases". He had access to the company's client's passwords, so he just used them.

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  78. North Dakota vs Maine by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    You have cars on blocks in your yards? BAH! Try going to Maine where most rural homes (except for the trophy houses on the coast) not only have old cars rotting in the weeds but also have every water heater they have ever owned sitting in the front yard. If you are a woman over the age of 70 then you are required to maintain a huge collection of the tackiest yard ornaments known to man. Rotting wood shingles and missing roof shingles add that special touch of class!

    (In Maine's defense though the state is gorgeous, Baxter SP and Arcadia NP are amazing, and I always stop at Moody's Diner in Waldoboro for wild blueberry pie.)

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    It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
  79. Oh well by siskbc · · Score: 1
    I certainly know that there are responsible individuals who profit from instant credit...however, the vast majority of americans have screwed the pooch raw...to the point that we have a *negative* savings rate

    I am such a person. I would like to buy a house soon and not have unreasonable interest payments. Just because some other dipshit can't use credit resoponsibly doesn't mean I should be denied it.

    I've worked hard to keep a good credit rating, and I would like to be rewarded as such.

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    -Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat

    1. Re:Oh well by JimBobJoe · · Score: 1

      I don't need to tell you however that the more the dipshits mess it up, the more valuable your good credit rating becomes, the more likely it will be stolen.

      So essentially, the high fraud but fast credit system creates lots of fast credit, which gets ruined, creating a vacuum of credit (in an economic demand sense) that requires more fraud to cure, since the fraud is a lot easier to get than credit repair.

      In this framework, the current system is not viable, and you should be contented to have a few years of high interest rates followed by interest rate relief, in comparison to the bureaucratic (and under my hypothesis, inevitable) uglyness of stolen credit.

  80. Inmate with just a year left by antiaktiv · · Score: 1

    Maybe he can steal a fellow inmate's identity and get out a few years early...

  81. You are absolutely INCORRECT! by kpogoda · · Score: 1

    The credit card companies simply leave the financial responsibility on the vendor that charged the card. It is the vendor's responsibility to verify that the person charging on the card is them. Therefore the credit card companies don't pay a dime. Speak to any credit card company fraud department and you can verify this.

  82. Hang 'em high! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should take these ID theives and hang them high after a good session with a torturer. They have no idea what kind of hell they put their victums through. I think it is worse than torture. People loose houses, marriages are sometimes broken, cars reposessed, sometimes people are even put into jail over these ID problems. Happened to a classmate of mine. Fortunately for him in his case he is white and the thief is black and the officer remembered the guy (hit and run, the guy was painting the town red with his new ID). It was still a nightmare and he ended up in jail a grand total of 34 days before it was all over. The thief ended up in jail for 3 years. Big deal. Took longer than that to fix his credit reports and arrest records.

  83. Re:Others countries dont have a credit report syst by droopycom · · Score: 1

    Actually, I just bought a house in the US, and I got a pretty good rate. I asked some people how it was in France, and it seems to be about the same.

    Off course since there is no credit report system, the way it works is that you get a better rate if you have a good relationship with your bank. But guess what: even in the US, my bank is where I got the best rate, not with some random mortgage consultant or online lending company.

    The credit report system in the US has nothing to do with protecting you, the consummer, but everything to do with protecting the lender.

    But anyway its kind of pointless to compare rates when the banking systems are vastly different.
    For example there are no interest on checking account (by law) but almost anybody can open some saving account at about 3% (there are some restriction). All this will change eventually with the EU.

  84. The sad part by monkeyseemonkeydoo · · Score: 1

    The sad part is that people will spend thousands of dollars more and years and years of their life trying to fix this. It will never really go away. I see this everyday and it is sad.

  85. Re: France by El+Cabri · · Score: 1

    From a Frenchman living in the US, who just bought a house here after extensive research on alternatively buying an investment property/comeback place in his native country:

    Rates are actually a bit lower over there currently, about 4% for 20 years.

    Downpayments are about the same, that is, 20% is considered normal, but from that point the banks will do whatever it takes to sell a loan to a solvent candidate, and in practice there are ways to buy with 10% or less, or even with next to nothing except for the high closing costs and taxes which can represent between 5 and 10%

    However the loan durations are typically shorter. 10 to 20 years used to be standard, in the last few years it has been extended to 25 years, usually not more. 40 years or interest-only loans are unheard of. Like here there is a choice betwen fixed-rate and adjustable.

    The biggest difference is that pre-payment is usually heavily penalized, and that refinancing is rare.

    Life, disability and unemployment insurances are usually mandatory. The loan security system is complicated, and since setting up an individual mortgage is complicated and costly, most of people buy security from specialized loan insurance firms which mutualize risks. These firms will still sue you for your house if you default though.

  86. security, internet transactions and your waiter by runamok1 · · Score: 1

    I am totally with you on this. Every instance you use your card is a security risk. I've worked retail before and trust me that most are not subjected to a security check at all.

    I'm a web developer. I have always wondered if you conduct credit card transactions over http or send them over email rather than use https exactly how risky that is. My thoughts are that the packets can be intercepted from point a to point b. I.e. the client's computer to buymycrapfakewebsite.com.

    Most of these computers are major switches and such. If they are compromised we are ALL screwed!

    How does that compare to handing your CC to a waiter or waitress who makes minimum wage?

  87. Re: France by Will_Malverson · · Score: 1

    Without a credit report, how do they know whether or not a buyer is solvent?