Why do you persist with the lies Windy? This isn't the first time you have been shown facts and evidence
Despite continued reductions of coal use in buildings and industry, the growth in the power sector pushed up coal demand in China by 0.3%, after three years of declining demand. Despite this rebound, coal use in China remains below its 2013 peak.
Dropping from extremely high levels down to just very high levels isn't anything to be proud of. You are still way way higher than the average with a long long way to go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
That does nothing of the sort Windy. You aren't even remotely credible. Care to site a single source that says poor people produce more CO2 than Rich. Or even the same amount?
Because there are plenty that show I'm right. It's just common sense really.
More money more consumption.
How about a carbon tax then? Surely that will help those remaining countries who aren't already transitioning away from coal. Assuming there are still any holdouts left.
The 'real problem' is that as people get richer, they start to consume and pollute more like rich people do. We can't have those other people polluting as much as we do in the West. We need a way to keep the poor people poor so that they don't waste carbon like the rich people are allowed to do./sarcasm
Of course you have a choice, you could stop using 8 times as much electricity as a Chinese household, (13 times as much as an Indian household.) If you really cared about the environment, for you it would be a simple choice.
You claim to get way more than half from the sun, so you could cut yours in half, you still get to use more electricity than 4 Chinese households (or 6 Indian households) and be CO2 free. But no,you choose not too because you are better than those Chinese and Indians and you feel entitled to use much more electricity than they do.
In 2018, however, carbon dioxide emissions from transportation, power plants, homes and businesses should climb about 2.2 percent, the U.S. Energy Information Administration said. That increase would be due to forecasts for a colder winter, higher economic growth and rising gas prices, the EIA said.
Your CO2 is going up already without the extra billion people !
Wake the fuck up !!
LOL you are a complete fucking moron if you think america with an extra billion people would still use less CO2 than China does. It's not even credible to claim you would be in the same ballpark as China.
The per capita takes total co2 and then divides it by the number of ppl. It , and idiots like you, do not care WHERE the CO2 comes from
I do care, because most of it comes from America ! It's entitled assholes such as yourself who don't care, and think it's OK to be massively polluting because they are getting a tiny bit cleaner and you only want to focus on other peoples increases.
Go ahead calculate the total CO2 for the world and then allocate it per capita to every person. I can tell you right now it will be Americans crying the most when they realise how far they have to cut, and how much of their lifestyle would have to change to get under budget.
That's just a straight up lies WindBourne and you know it.
More and more strawmen from you as well. Who said China isn't a major polluter? It's just that the US is far far worse for such a small country. Especially one that is rich enough to do more.
You keep going on and on about how America is clean, but it's one of the highest and transport is getting worse, and has for at least the last 5 years. Your oil use is increasing and you gas use is increasing but you pretend both of those don't pollute. You pretend they are clean when you could just use renewables instead but don't Basically you are about as full of shit as it's possible to be.
Who already has the most AE by far? More than the next 4 countries combined?
You think American infrastructure would survive if we added an extra billion people? You would be out there shovelling coal just as fast as you could to keep the lights on.
Americans are some of the most power hungry people in existence. Cut your extravagant usage back to reasonable levels and you could close all your coal plants!
Wow people don't eat coal. Is that the first thing you said that is true? But still nonsense. When did any one claim people eat coal?
Just more Windy bullshit.
You didn't answer his question. Why is the very high and stable better? At least try to play the ball a little bit and not the man.
Simple question, is the stable and high levels or rich countries OK or not? Bonus points, try to justify your answer.
You are still just making shit up. Where did I ever mention coal was cleaner than natural gas? I said Chinese coal was cleaner than old Chinese coal and cleaner and more efficient than US coal.
Take your meds or something, you are clearly delusional. When I have time later I'll show you where you are wrong if you are too shy to show it yourself.
Try and be a little consistent. Now you are telling us 5% is nothing to worry about, but in another post you claimed targeting heavy trucks would save the world, yet they were only 7%.
Is seven percent really that much bigger?
You can't have it both ways. Either high per capita is bad for the environment or it isn't. If it's OK for America to be so polluting, then it's OK for others to be similar. If it's not OK, and Americas very high levels are a problem, then fix your problem.
Crying like a baby because other countries are becoming just like you and you don't like it, just makes you look like entitled. Take some responsibility for your own worse problems before blaming others.
You were complaining that they weren't perfect, they are still closer to perfect than people. (In the situations they are being used in) They aren't ready yet to take over.
Just like you don't pull the cord on your parachute until you hit the ground. Falling doesn't hurt much and is quite self sustaining with all that gravity. When it does become a problem some one else will solve it for you, it's the intelligent way.
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Despite continued reductions of coal use in buildings and industry, the growth in the power sector pushed up coal demand in China by 0.3%, after three years of declining demand. Despite this rebound, coal use in China remains below its 2013 peak.
Dropping from extremely high levels down to just very high levels isn't anything to be proud of. You are still way way higher than the average with a long long way to go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
That does nothing of the sort Windy. You aren't even remotely credible. Care to site a single source that says poor people produce more CO2 than Rich. Or even the same amount?
Because there are plenty that show I'm right. It's just common sense really.
More money more consumption.
How about a carbon tax then? Surely that will help those remaining countries who aren't already transitioning away from coal. Assuming there are still any holdouts left.
The 'real problem' is that as people get richer, they start to consume and pollute more like rich people do. We can't have those other people polluting as much as we do in the West. We need a way to keep the poor people poor so that they don't waste carbon like the rich people are allowed to do. /sarcasm
A carbon tax on electricity is just about the best way known to push business and consumers to transition over to cleaner energy. Far from worthless.
Is that the same China that reached peak coal back in 2013? That China? Or the one in your imagination that you keep talking about?
Of course you have a choice, you could stop using 8 times as much electricity as a Chinese household, (13 times as much as an Indian household.) If you really cared about the environment, for you it would be a simple choice.
You claim to get way more than half from the sun, so you could cut yours in half, you still get to use more electricity than 4 Chinese households (or 6 Indian households) and be CO2 free. But no,you choose not too because you are better than those Chinese and Indians and you feel entitled to use much more electricity than they do.
In 2018, however, carbon dioxide emissions from transportation, power plants, homes and businesses should climb about 2.2 percent, the U.S. Energy Information Administration said. That increase would be due to forecasts for a colder winter, higher economic growth and rising gas prices, the EIA said.
Your CO2 is going up already without the extra billion people !
Wake the fuck up !!
The average American uses far more CO2 than the average Chinese person. To claim otherwise is just WindBourne level retarded.
LOL you are a complete fucking moron if you think america with an extra billion people would still use less CO2 than China does. It's not even credible to claim you would be in the same ballpark as China.
Wake the fuck up Windy
It's rich not poor people causing all the problems.
The per capita takes total co2 and then divides it by the number of ppl. It , and idiots like you, do not care WHERE the CO2 comes from
I do care, because most of it comes from America ! It's entitled assholes such as yourself who don't care, and think it's OK to be massively polluting because they are getting a tiny bit cleaner and you only want to focus on other peoples increases.
Go ahead calculate the total CO2 for the world and then allocate it per capita to every person. I can tell you right now it will be Americans crying the most when they realise how far they have to cut, and how much of their lifestyle would have to change to get under budget.
That's just a straight up lies WindBourne and you know it.
More and more strawmen from you as well. Who said China isn't a major polluter? It's just that the US is far far worse for such a small country. Especially one that is rich enough to do more.
You keep going on and on about how America is clean, but it's one of the highest and transport is getting worse, and has for at least the last 5 years. Your oil use is increasing and you gas use is increasing but you pretend both of those don't pollute. You pretend they are clean when you could just use renewables instead but don't Basically you are about as full of shit as it's possible to be.
Who already has the most AE by far? More than the next 4 countries combined?
You think American infrastructure would survive if we added an extra billion people? You would be out there shovelling coal just as fast as you could to keep the lights on.
Americans are some of the most power hungry people in existence. Cut your extravagant usage back to reasonable levels and you could close all your coal plants!
Wow people don't eat coal. Is that the first thing you said that is true? But still nonsense. When did any one claim people eat coal?
Just more Windy bullshit.
Yes, so they are better, tell fluffy nuts.
And since when is 50% more of anything barely, in all caps even...
You didn't answer his question. Why is the very high and stable better? At least try to play the ball a little bit and not the man.
Simple question, is the stable and high levels or rich countries OK or not? Bonus points, try to justify your answer.
You are still just making shit up. Where did I ever mention coal was cleaner than natural gas? I said Chinese coal was cleaner than old Chinese coal and cleaner and more efficient than US coal.
Take your meds or something, you are clearly delusional. When I have time later I'll show you where you are wrong if you are too shy to show it yourself.
Just more pointless lies from you. Why do you bother?
You still didn't show where I was wrong...
Try and be a little consistent. Now you are telling us 5% is nothing to worry about, but in another post you claimed targeting heavy trucks would save the world, yet they were only 7%.
Is seven percent really that much bigger?
Here is a simple quick question for you. Which is worse for the environment.
A) Every one in America pollutes like an Indian.
B) Everyone in India pollutes like an American.
Now you should realise where the real problem is.
You can't have it both ways. Either high per capita is bad for the environment or it isn't. If it's OK for America to be so polluting, then it's OK for others to be similar. If it's not OK, and Americas very high levels are a problem, then fix your problem.
Crying like a baby because other countries are becoming just like you and you don't like it, just makes you look like entitled. Take some responsibility for your own worse problems before blaming others.
Fuck off again WindBourne. What makes you think that was me? Again I'm not the only person who thinks you're full of shit, I'm sure it's quite common.
Show me even 1 thing I ever said to you that was wrong...
You were complaining that they weren't perfect, they are still closer to perfect than people. (In the situations they are being used in) They aren't ready yet to take over.
And how many of those crashes would be avoided if the car also had better sensors or simply more competent drivers?
Just like you don't pull the cord on your parachute until you hit the ground. Falling doesn't hurt much and is quite self sustaining with all that gravity. When it does become a problem some one else will solve it for you, it's the intelligent way.