How exactly does reneging on an agreement (regarding nuclear weapons no less) gain you credibility with North Korea for their nuclear weapon agreement?
Same with China, how do you gain credibility for negotiating agreements by acting like a lose cannon to whom agreements mean nothing and can be undone by the next twitter tweet.
So remind us again how the total for the whole world is 656,190 MW (342,362 China and India together) as per your table 3
But you have been telling everyone just China by itself was 750+ GW and sometimes 700 GW or 650 GW...
Analyses by Greenpeace (2016a) and Carbon Tracker(2016) have found the country’s existing coal plantsalready far exceed domestic power needs, with additional coal plants representing potentially billionsof dollars of wasted capital.
You stupid stupid man...
That's what people have been telling you all along !!
Those plants won't even be burning any coal !! If they do, they will be replacing older less efficient plants.
Chinese coal peaked in 2013 FFS.
Why do you think China is trying to get the locals to stop them? Why are they cancelling plants by the hundreds? China already knows this !
Did you really just figure it out?
First off, I'd like to thank Google for helping me find Windy's lies and put the pattern together.
Here is the most recent two times you claimed 700 with no mention of outside China. Only a couple of days ago. Just before I told you to pull your head out of your ass.
But your lies go back further... Here in April you mention
China's 700 new plants
In the same post you already highlighted
When China halted plans for more than 100 new coal-fired power plants this year
China is building out 700 GW of new coal plants, while the entire west has less than 700 GW
Still no evidence shown. (a pattern forming?)
Back in December...
You responded to being told that hundreds were already, and are being cancelled. And that person gave a link.
that was from may which is 7 months ago. Their are still over 700 plants being built as of Nov 2017 which is 1 month ago. And note that these are being BUILT, not just planned.
Now you don't even include planned, you specifically exclude them. Still no evidence from you.
IOW, it was only for part of the nation, not for all. There is a reason why China will build so many.
Over all, 1,600 coal plants are planned or under construction in 62 countries, according to Urgewald’s tally, which uses data from the Global Coal Plant Tracker portal. The new plants would expand the world’s coal-fired power capacity by 43 percent.
And this is JUST China's building of new plants, of which 4/5 of these will be in CHINA.
This must be your biggest lie of all.
You did provide a link this time...but it didn't support your lie. Maybe that's why you stopped providing them?
So we can see you have been lying about this for a long time...
As time goes on, your lies get a little bit closer to the truth every time people point them out.
Come on Windy, just admit the truth.
It's my daughters birthday soon and I really need that pony. :)
Actually we are still headed to the trough for the next 2.5k years. So the warming and trending up will arrive in about the 45 00's. Hmm maybe there are shorter term climate problems we should deal with first...
Nice twist Windy. But the dates I was talking about were your posting dates...
You posted your lies of 700 at least twice in this very thread before being called out on it. And only after did you try to pretend you said outside China all along (another lie).
Go back and look, I'll wait.
Even your twist move is still a lie !!
Your data is October 2017. Mine was Jan 2018 from the site your site used for their data.
https://endcoal.org/tracker/
Also just to show how even more wrong you numbers are, 180 of those plants are either announced or pre-permit.
Announced: Proposed plants that have been described in corporate or government plans but have not yet taken concrete steps such as applying for permits or acquiring land.
Pre-permit development: Plants that are seeking environmental approvals and pursuing other developmental steps such as securing land and water rights.
So 180 of those plants aren't even approved, and you know from previous facts that China is making it much much harder to get approval...most (all?) of them won't be approved and you know it.
As always Windy is full of shit.
PS: Still waiting for you to show any actual lie I said anywhere in any thread...
Because only deniers are desperately looking for any excuse to continue being deniers.
Scientists love extra data to put into their models so they can be more accurate in the future. But they don't feel the need to make shit up like deniers do.
But scientists now have to waste extra time explaining to deniers like yourself, it wastes their time for doing actual science, they don't like that.
Therefore deniers like it more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
It's not always as easy as the central government would like, to force all the far flung cities to do their bidding. They were quite slow in shutting down coal and reducing spending as Beijing commanded.
I guess we will have to wait a few thousand years for the affects to be measurable enough and then we can find out.
At the height of the cycle, more rain falls in the tropics, allowing lakes there to fill up. This compares to the other end of the cycle, when seasonal rains in the tropics "are less and lakes have much less of a tendency to become as full," Kent said.
The results showed that the 405,000-year cycle is the most regular astronomical pattern linked to the Earth's annual turn around the sun, he said.
Right now, we are in the middle of the cycle, as the most recent peak was around 200,000 years ago.
I'd say they mean the peak is when it's the hottest hot, wettest wet. So now we are at the minimum? Coldest hot, driest wet. So things shoudl be getting hotter and wetter again. Climate deniers are going to love this.
Feel free to correct me, or wait a few thousand years and check to be sure.
AS IT GOT RICHER !!
As developing countries develop, they develop into rich countries. And the pollution goes up to rich country levels. It's not rocket science Windy.
EU-28 is was at 9 in 1990 and went down to 6.75 in 2016. EU-28 decreased ~ 25%.
America was ~20 in 1990, and went down to 15.5 in 2016. IOW, America decreased 25%.
You are right, the EU is much better than America.
Last year, CHina went up again, while EU stayed flat and America dropped.
And yet America is still twice China. They must have been quite bad if they have been decreasing for years, China has been increasing for years, yet they are still more than double China's level.
When you speak of rich nations, I think that you have to include not just AMerica, but EU-28, Canada, Austrlia, and to be fair, CHina. BUT, CHina continues to grow their co2 emissions and now exceeds EU's per capita. In the next 5 years, there is a great chance that AMerica and CHina will have about the same per capita, which is NOT a good thing. We will probably cross at around 12.
You must be just about the only person in the world who thinks Chinese are as rich as all those other countries you mention. Usually that means you are wrong...I thought you wanted common sense and facts?
China's CO2 increases have levelled off, it's very unlikely they will reach 12. Show some facts and common sense to suggest this will be the case.
Lets play along though, and assume they both reach 12. Why is it suddenly a problem for China to be identical to US levels? If it's good for the US to be at 12, why not China too? Oh I forgot, you are an entitled dirtbag. America is just assumed to be allowed to pollute so much more.
COmmon sense and these facts PROVE that CHina is on the WRONG COURSE. China is increasing CO2 in their own nation as well as others.
Of course they are. Malnourished people (developing countries) will eat more food (use more CO2) when they can afford it. Obese people (Americans, Australians, etc) and overweight (some EU countries) should be the last people to complain that some one else is eating too much food. Lose more weight fatty.
In addition, most of the west continues on the RIGHT course. America and most of the west has stopped building new coal plants. Germany, continues to stay with Asia and build out new ones, but will probably be forced to drop those.
So pick a level for CO2 you are happy for people to use. It's just about guaranteed that China will get there before America will.
Common sense and facts says STOP BUILDING NEW COAL PLANTS. In addition, it says to quit defending it.
It's a good thing China's coal use peaked in 2013 then isn't it.
Common sense would notice where the actual problem was, rich peoples lifestyles, instead of focusing on coal all the time.
Totally agree Australia and the US are far more polluting than EU countries of similar income, and should do much more. Developing countries are still smaller than all of them.
You really don't understand this at all. Electricity isn't the only use for coal. All the other uses were down.
China did not increase coal use by 5% in 2017. Stop with the lie.
Even though coal use for electricity was up(nowhere near 5%), it was up less than other things. And coal's percentage went down. China is getting cleaner. Nat gas for example was up over 10%
China’s National Statistics Bureau said in January that the country’s total energy consumption in 2017 was up around 2.9% compared to a year ago, but coal’s share in total energy mix was down by 1.7%.
You are taking electricity's fossil fuel increase of 5.2 total , pretending it's all coal. And ignoring all the other coal uses that have fallen.
Around 15% of the increase in China’s electricity demand was due to higher demand for cooling, driven by a particularly hot summer. (This topic will be the focus of a forthcoming IEA report on how the projected growth in air conditioning usage around the world will affect global electricity demand). Despite continued reductions of coal use in buildings and industry, the growth in the power sector pushed up coal demand in China by 0.3%, after three years of declining demand. Despite this rebound, coal use in China remains below its 2013 peak.
So it's not a 5% increase for coal, it's only 0.3%. Why do you continue to post your lies?
The report said that while China was outstripping every nation in sight, investment in renewable projects in the UK, Germany and the US tailed off.
The US saw renewable investment withdraw by 6 percent to $40.5 billion, and with the Trump administration adding a new solar panel tariff, jobs lost to the sector in 2018 will amount to 23,000.
On the flip side, China was responsible for 45 percent of the $279.8 billion spent on all renewables, and more than half of all new global solar capacity.
AN INCREDIBLE wave of solar energy peaking in China has helped to put renewable energy ahead of fossil fuels use for the first time.
A total 98 gigawatts of solar energy technology – with 53 gigawatts installed in China – outstripped combined coal, gas and nuclear energies.
China maintained its position as a wind energy powerhouse, installing 19.7 GW, while the European Union added 15.6 GW of capacity, its best ever year. The U.S. installed a little over 7 GW of capacity.
True, I didn't say it was fair. It's not, it's highly regressive. So places that implement one usually offset it with other payment/taxes to account for this.
Of course it will be passed on to consumers. That is the entire point! Consumers won't want to pay more than they have to and will switch to cleaner options, use less electricity, demand changes from businesses and governments.
Now polluting is free, so why not build the dirtiest coal plant you can. If consumers had to pay for that CO2, no one would want coal powered electricity, and businesses wouldn't build them any more, problem solved.
Of course it's not directly $1 equals x increase in CO2. There will be some variation based on what the people are willing to sacrifice. Don't get worked up between the difference between 60k 70k and 80k for already developed countries. Check the countries like China at 10k India at 2k, any other developing countries you want to choose.
Or are you really claiming Norway and Australia are developing countries?
It's not a secret every one already knows this.
It's the whole reason people are worried about poor countries developing and polluting like rich countries. If they didn't develop, there wouldn't be a problem. For rich countries anyway. But how to explain to the poor countries that they can't do exactly what you do? That is the problem.
Hey look, you're using outdated data from the same source I already mentioned...How can you claim that they are more knowledgeable when they are just using old data from the same site I showed you?
What's the bet you still stick to your lies though and claim 700?
What's the bet you refuse to understand replacing an old coal plant with a newer one is still better than just using the old one?
What's the bet you still claim China coal is on a runaway tear when everyone credible says it peaked in 2013?
Why don't you 'be a man' and admit Chinese coal isn't the runaway problem you claim, and that America is a far bigger polluter per person, and therefore much more responsible for the 'destruction of mankind'.
1. I don't have Chinese bosses. 2. If I did tell them that they would laugh at me, as Chinese bosses they would be smarter than you and know who the real polluters are. 3. Even if you were right (you're not), and I worked for them (I don't), It's fucking CHINA you idiot, they have an Emperor For Life, he wouldn't listen to me...
Let's check some more... https://knoema.com/atlas/China...
And as China got richer the CO2 goes up...
Notice also that America, richer and higher than Germany, which is higher and richer than China, also higher and richer than India.
It's like there is some obvious pattern that Windy just refuses to see. https://knoema.com/atlas/India...
India also goes up as it gets richer...still much lower though, because it's still much poorer
It's almost as if developing countries increase their CO2 levels up towards rich country levels, as their economies develop and the people become richer.
Can't have those poor people being like you though can we. It's bad for the environment.
Select region East asia
Select map China
Just look at Announced, pre-permit, permitted and construction.(even though a lot of them will be cancelled)
Notice that the total is way less than 700.(zoom all the way out to make it clearer)
Click on shelved, notice most of the map turned blue.
Click on retired, notice how there is a lot more green than red yellow as well.
Finally click on cancelled, and see how tiny the little red and yellow bits are that you keep getting your panties in a twist about.
No doubt whatsoever you will continue the lie that China is building 700 coal plants and not shutting down or replacing old ones.
Even less doubt you are too stupid to understand it's the amount of coal burned at the pants and not the total number of plants anyway that makes the CO2.
(If you want to, add in the brown and realise China has a fuck ton of coal plants, which is bad. But it's getting better. Like I already showed before coal peaked years ago in China)
The point is not to claim China is clean, it's not, but to show Windy is a lying sack of shit, and he knows he is.
Another of your favourite lies Windy, I'm not surprised. Heaps of those were cancelled, like you already know.
Chinses coal has been going down, (slowly) I just showed you facts to show a very slight increase, after 3 years of decreases, yet you lie and say it's at record highs and rising over 5%.
Slashdot Mirror
How exactly does reneging on an agreement (regarding nuclear weapons no less) gain you credibility with North Korea for their nuclear weapon agreement?
Same with China, how do you gain credibility for negotiating agreements by acting like a lose cannon to whom agreements mean nothing and can be undone by the next twitter tweet.
If you are referring to me Windy, I dislike coal. But I dislike entitled assholes more...
So remind us again how the total for the whole world is 656,190 MW (342,362 China and India together) as per your table 3
But you have been telling everyone just China by itself was 750+ GW and sometimes 700 GW or 650 GW...
Analyses by Greenpeace (2016a) and Carbon Tracker(2016) have found the country’s existing coal plantsalready far exceed domestic power needs, with additional coal plants representing potentially billionsof dollars of wasted capital.
You stupid stupid man...
That's what people have been telling you all along !!
Those plants won't even be burning any coal !! If they do, they will be replacing older less efficient plants.
Chinese coal peaked in 2013 FFS.
Why do you think China is trying to get the locals to stop them? Why are they cancelling plants by the hundreds? China already knows this !
Did you really just figure it out?
First off, I'd like to thank Google for helping me find Windy's lies and put the pattern together.
Here is the most recent two times you claimed 700 with no mention of outside China. Only a couple of days ago. Just before I told you to pull your head out of your ass.
But your lies go back further...
Here in April you mention
China's 700 new plants
In the same post you already highlighted
When China halted plans for more than 100 new coal-fired power plants this year
You already knew it was false.
But wait back in February...
You claimed this
China's adding 750+ GW of new coal plants over the next 11 years. And that is just CHINA.
With no evidence shown at all.
China is adding another 650 GW of just coal plants while shutting down a fraction of that
You did walk that claim back, a little further in the thread. Still with no evidence shown.
10 days before that...
You were at it again
China is building out 700 GW of new coal plants, while the entire west has less than 700 GW
Still no evidence shown. (a pattern forming?)
Back in December...
You responded to being told that hundreds were already, and are being cancelled. And that person gave a link.
that was from may which is 7 months ago. Their are still over 700 plants being built as of Nov 2017 which is 1 month ago. And note that these are being BUILT, not just planned.
Now you don't even include planned, you specifically exclude them. Still no evidence from you.
Before that in November...
You said
IOW, it was only for part of the nation, not for all. There is a reason why China will build so many. Over all, 1,600 coal plants are planned or under construction in 62 countries, according to Urgewald’s tally, which uses data from the Global Coal Plant Tracker portal. The new plants would expand the world’s coal-fired power capacity by 43 percent.
And this is JUST China's building of new plants, of which 4/5 of these will be in CHINA.
This must be your biggest lie of all.
You did provide a link this time...but it didn't support your lie. Maybe that's why you stopped providing them?
So we can see you have been lying about this for a long time...
As time goes on, your lies get a little bit closer to the truth every time people point them out.
Come on Windy, just admit the truth.
:)
It's my daughters birthday soon and I really need that pony.
You can't even keep your lies straight... Where did the other 50 go !!
Actually we are still headed to the trough for the next 2.5k years. So the warming and trending up will arrive in about the 45 00's. Hmm maybe there are shorter term climate problems we should deal with first...
Nice twist Windy. But the dates I was talking about were your posting dates...
You posted your lies of 700 at least twice in this very thread before being called out on it. And only after did you try to pretend you said outside China all along (another lie).
Go back and look, I'll wait.
Even your twist move is still a lie !!
Your data is October 2017. Mine was Jan 2018 from the site your site used for their data. https://endcoal.org/tracker/ Also just to show how even more wrong you numbers are, 180 of those plants are either announced or pre-permit.
Announced: Proposed plants that have been described in corporate or government plans but have not yet taken concrete steps such as applying for permits or acquiring land.
Pre-permit development: Plants that are seeking environmental approvals and pursuing other developmental steps such as securing land and water rights.
So 180 of those plants aren't even approved, and you know from previous facts that China is making it much much harder to get approval...most (all?) of them won't be approved and you know it.
As always Windy is full of shit.
PS: Still waiting for you to show any actual lie I said anywhere in any thread...
Because only deniers are desperately looking for any excuse to continue being deniers.
Scientists love extra data to put into their models so they can be more accurate in the future. But they don't feel the need to make shit up like deniers do.
But scientists now have to waste extra time explaining to deniers like yourself, it wastes their time for doing actual science, they don't like that.
Therefore deniers like it more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... It's not always as easy as the central government would like, to force all the far flung cities to do their bidding. They were quite slow in shutting down coal and reducing spending as Beijing commanded.
Well she did give you Trump...
At the height of the cycle, more rain falls in the tropics, allowing lakes there to fill up. This compares to the other end of the cycle, when seasonal rains in the tropics "are less and lakes have much less of a tendency to become as full," Kent said. The results showed that the 405,000-year cycle is the most regular astronomical pattern linked to the Earth's annual turn around the sun, he said. Right now, we are in the middle of the cycle, as the most recent peak was around 200,000 years ago.
I'd say they mean the peak is when it's the hottest hot, wettest wet. So now we are at the minimum? Coldest hot, driest wet. So things shoudl be getting hotter and wetter again.
Climate deniers are going to love this.
Feel free to correct me, or wait a few thousand years and check to be sure.
Good. Lets go with common sense and facts.
Good, lets.
Here we see your favorite of emissions per capita Your nation jumps from 1.97 in 1990 to 7.45 in 2016. IOW, you increased 400%.
AS IT GOT RICHER !!
As developing countries develop, they develop into rich countries. And the pollution goes up to rich country levels. It's not rocket science Windy.
EU-28 is was at 9 in 1990 and went down to 6.75 in 2016. EU-28 decreased ~ 25%. America was ~20 in 1990, and went down to 15.5 in 2016. IOW, America decreased 25%.
You are right, the EU is much better than America.
Last year, CHina went up again, while EU stayed flat and America dropped.
And yet America is still twice China. They must have been quite bad if they have been decreasing for years, China has been increasing for years, yet they are still more than double China's level.
When you speak of rich nations, I think that you have to include not just AMerica, but EU-28, Canada, Austrlia, and to be fair, CHina. BUT, CHina continues to grow their co2 emissions and now exceeds EU's per capita. In the next 5 years, there is a great chance that AMerica and CHina will have about the same per capita, which is NOT a good thing. We will probably cross at around 12.
You must be just about the only person in the world who thinks Chinese are as rich as all those other countries you mention. Usually that means you are wrong...I thought you wanted common sense and facts?
China's CO2 increases have levelled off, it's very unlikely they will reach 12. Show some facts and common sense to suggest this will be the case.
Lets play along though, and assume they both reach 12. Why is it suddenly a problem for China to be identical to US levels? If it's good for the US to be at 12, why not China too? Oh I forgot, you are an entitled dirtbag. America is just assumed to be allowed to pollute so much more.
Snip all you bullshit lies already addressed elsewhere
COmmon sense and these facts PROVE that CHina is on the WRONG COURSE. China is increasing CO2 in their own nation as well as others.
Of course they are. Malnourished people (developing countries) will eat more food (use more CO2) when they can afford it. Obese people (Americans, Australians, etc) and overweight (some EU countries) should be the last people to complain that some one else is eating too much food. Lose more weight fatty.
In addition, most of the west continues on the RIGHT course. America and most of the west has stopped building new coal plants. Germany, continues to stay with Asia and build out new ones, but will probably be forced to drop those.
So pick a level for CO2 you are happy for people to use. It's just about guaranteed that China will get there before America will.
Common sense and facts says STOP BUILDING NEW COAL PLANTS. In addition, it says to quit defending it.
It's a good thing China's coal use peaked in 2013 then isn't it.
Common sense would notice where the actual problem was, rich peoples lifestyles, instead of focusing on coal all the time.
Totally agree Australia and the US are far more polluting than EU countries of similar income, and should do much more. Developing countries are still smaller than all of them.
China did not increase coal use by 5% in 2017. Stop with the lie.
Even though coal use for electricity was up(nowhere near 5%), it was up less than other things. And coal's percentage went down. China is getting cleaner. Nat gas for example was up over 10%
China’s National Statistics Bureau said in January that the country’s total energy consumption in 2017 was up around 2.9% compared to a year ago, but coal’s share in total energy mix was down by 1.7%.
You are taking electricity's fossil fuel increase of 5.2 total , pretending it's all coal. And ignoring all the other coal uses that have fallen.
Around 15% of the increase in China’s electricity demand was due to higher demand for cooling, driven by a particularly hot summer. (This topic will be the focus of a forthcoming IEA report on how the projected growth in air conditioning usage around the world will affect global electricity demand). Despite continued reductions of coal use in buildings and industry, the growth in the power sector pushed up coal demand in China by 0.3%, after three years of declining demand. Despite this rebound, coal use in China remains below its 2013 peak.
So it's not a 5% increase for coal, it's only 0.3%. Why do you continue to post your lies?
It's not all doom and gloom like you think.
https://greenerideal.com/news/...
The report said that while China was outstripping every nation in sight, investment in renewable projects in the UK, Germany and the US tailed off. The US saw renewable investment withdraw by 6 percent to $40.5 billion, and with the Trump administration adding a new solar panel tariff, jobs lost to the sector in 2018 will amount to 23,000. On the flip side, China was responsible for 45 percent of the $279.8 billion spent on all renewables, and more than half of all new global solar capacity.
AN INCREDIBLE wave of solar energy peaking in China has helped to put renewable energy ahead of fossil fuels use for the first time. A total 98 gigawatts of solar energy technology – with 53 gigawatts installed in China – outstripped combined coal, gas and nuclear energies.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/2...
China maintained its position as a wind energy powerhouse, installing 19.7 GW, while the European Union added 15.6 GW of capacity, its best ever year. The U.S. installed a little over 7 GW of capacity.
True, I didn't say it was fair. It's not, it's highly regressive. So places that implement one usually offset it with other payment/taxes to account for this.
Of course it will be passed on to consumers. That is the entire point! Consumers won't want to pay more than they have to and will switch to cleaner options, use less electricity, demand changes from businesses and governments.
Now polluting is free, so why not build the dirtiest coal plant you can. If consumers had to pay for that CO2, no one would want coal powered electricity, and businesses wouldn't build them any more, problem solved.
Of course it's not directly $1 equals x increase in CO2. There will be some variation based on what the people are willing to sacrifice. Don't get worked up between the difference between 60k 70k and 80k for already developed countries. Check the countries like China at 10k India at 2k, any other developing countries you want to choose.
Or are you really claiming Norway and Australia are developing countries?
It's not a secret every one already knows this.
It's the whole reason people are worried about poor countries developing and polluting like rich countries. If they didn't develop, there wouldn't be a problem. For rich countries anyway. But how to explain to the poor countries that they can't do exactly what you do? That is the problem.
Check the dates Windy...
Just in this thread alone you mentioned it twice.
Only after I called out your lie did you change your tune to be closer to the truth, (still wrong).
Maybe my 'Chinese bosses' will give me an extra bowl of rice for forcing you closer to the truth.
If you actually admit the truth, I get a pony.
Hey look, you're using outdated data from the same source I already mentioned...How can you claim that they are more knowledgeable when they are just using old data from the same site I showed you?
What's the bet you still stick to your lies though and claim 700?
What's the bet you refuse to understand replacing an old coal plant with a newer one is still better than just using the old one?
What's the bet you still claim China coal is on a runaway tear when everyone credible says it peaked in 2013?
Why don't you 'be a man' and admit Chinese coal isn't the runaway problem you claim, and that America is a far bigger polluter per person, and therefore much more responsible for the 'destruction of mankind'.
1. I don't have Chinese bosses. 2. If I did tell them that they would laugh at me, as Chinese bosses they would be smarter than you and know who the real polluters are. 3. Even if you were right (you're not), and I worked for them (I don't), It's fucking CHINA you idiot, they have an Emperor For Life, he wouldn't listen to me...
Let's check some more...
https://knoema.com/atlas/China...
And as China got richer the CO2 goes up...
Notice also that America, richer and higher than Germany, which is higher and richer than China, also higher and richer than India.
It's like there is some obvious pattern that Windy just refuses to see.
https://knoema.com/atlas/India...
India also goes up as it gets richer...still much lower though, because it's still much poorer
It's almost as if developing countries increase their CO2 levels up towards rich country levels, as their economies develop and the people become richer.
Can't have those poor people being like you though can we. It's bad for the environment.
Forgive me if I go with common sense and facts backed up by evidence, rather than your gut feelings.
Let's just say you don't have the best track record...
Select region East asia
Select map China
Just look at Announced, pre-permit, permitted and construction.(even though a lot of them will be cancelled)
Notice that the total is way less than 700.(zoom all the way out to make it clearer)
Click on shelved, notice most of the map turned blue.
Click on retired, notice how there is a lot more green than red yellow as well.
Finally click on cancelled, and see how tiny the little red and yellow bits are that you keep getting your panties in a twist about.
No doubt whatsoever you will continue the lie that China is building 700 coal plants and not shutting down or replacing old ones.
Even less doubt you are too stupid to understand it's the amount of coal burned at the pants and not the total number of plants anyway that makes the CO2.
(If you want to, add in the brown and realise China has a fuck ton of coal plants, which is bad. But it's getting better. Like I already showed before coal peaked years ago in China) The point is not to claim China is clean, it's not, but to show Windy is a lying sack of shit, and he knows he is.
Another of your favourite lies Windy, I'm not surprised. Heaps of those were cancelled, like you already know.
Chinses coal has been going down, (slowly) I just showed you facts to show a very slight increase, after 3 years of decreases, yet you lie and say it's at record highs and rising over 5%.
Or all the bored hackers with the day off pretending to be from China.
This is in direct response to America trying to ban Chinese telecom companies from competing in the US.