"A good admin who is a pro will work hard to secure his servers and patch and look after them - a bad admin is a bad admin regardless of the OS"
I dont agree with that. If the underlying OS is a secure, good OS, then your assertion holds valid. However, if you're using an unsecure OS, say Winnt 4SP6, then it doesn't matter how competant the admin is. He's limited to how good he is by the OS itself.
Superb admin + superb OS = Superb integration/setup ok admin + superb OS = ok integration/setup bad admin + superb OS = Honeypot without "the stuff that catches you" (bad)
Superb admin + craptacular OS = Meciocre integration/setup .....
Seems like every time a good idea is made, there's 20 others later willing to pump money into that left-over market. For a while, it was bad sitcoms. Then came the Jerry Springer trash. Now, it's reality TV. Seems this trend is happening in the game world with MMORPG's. After the first few, who cares?
Since Square focused on the "idiot" player, the games are boring. Still,I get chucles from the tombstone in FF1:
Here lies Erdrick
Hint: Erdrick was the descendant from Dragon Quest.
I never said it was credible. What I'm amazed at is that MS hasn't taken it away from him/her. If I was MS, I'd take that domain and put a blank html doc in its place.
No one really gives a fuck about a new distro, the fact is that slashdot editors are payed to hype new linux stuff that no one other than a bunch of nerds would care about, while selectively ignoring other things which might be of similar or greater interest (or reliablity/security) ( - like BSD for example).
But I thought (sob!)BSD was DEAD!!!(sob!!)
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"Who is michael and why are all his posts judged frontpage worthy and mine not so? Is this some sort of joke?"
-1:Troll
Hmm, wonder who modded him down.. Michael:-) Still, who wouldnt know you're a editor?
I knew some slashbot would make a rather inane comment on a non-issue. That's what the main project engineer was asked. See, we still dont know if faster-than-light does reverse-dilate time. It's still a theory till we prove it, and all we need is 1 out-of-bound number to throw it out.
I'm still considering very fast traveling of the light. If there was an impediment between the 1 meter, I'd consider teleportation.
There's a relativly (pun intended) interesting experiment on NEC Institute's web page. It proves that light can go faster than C. Here for NEC Faster than C webpage
It seems that this beam of light traveled about 3C. However, there's conjecture that it traveled slower, but time dilation made it seem 3C. That's unprovable at the time though.
"But it certainly makes the roads safer. A bit of a tangent, but everyone SHOULD understand how to use a computer, and have a fairly basic understanding of how it works."
I very much agree with what the original thread maker and you say, however how do you plan for this to get done?
I do have an idea how that is possible, but it will take a bit of time. Simply, make a required 1 year computer classes in High School. Have them truly be college graduates (in computers/electronics). On the first day, have every part of the computer lying on a table. Dont even have any data on the hard drive. Then class by class, teach what each part is and show how they go together. Once the whole computer is assembled, start it up. When it doesn't go into "a program" explain why that is. Show them how to install Windows AND Linux. Why both? Going over only 1 is being ignorant, and if you're a teacher, you're responsible that your pupils shouldn't be ignorant.
The final project would'nt be a paper or whatnot. It's simply: make a fully functioning computer that can do X on the network. The X has to be something simple, like watching a movie (on the network somewhere) or playing network games. It's just a 1 year class. If the school wanted to, they could either allow you to bring in your own hardware, or charge a hardware fee (then the comp's yours).
The problem with that is having half-baked teachers. Everyone know the famous slogan "If you cant do, you teach." And my opinion, I dont want MCSE's only teaching, since many of them (the ones that I know), hate linux since it's NOT microsoft. Variety's good.
"am I responsible? If I am... I am sure hell going to compile my executable statically linking every single shared library... (eek. on the code size)"
That's why Commercial Linux programs are soo big. They have to include every library for them not to have "error in loading library". It's big, but it works.
Perhaps on some programs, having static libs ARE a good idea.
Personally, I like the idea of micro-payments. However, the system needs to be set up with this to begin with. I suggest using Xanadu as the server type.
In that idea, content creators set a price on a works. It may be free or for cost. All media would be streamable (meaning you can pull 3 seconds out of a movie or mp3 or whatever) and the cost would be porportional to overall works cost.
Whenever you download a "cost" media, you're charged. The key in this system is if you're a content creator, you can charge. The idea is that freeloaders pay and the contributors dont. You can always opt to be free. Still, no matter what, I want access to my bill at that exact second. Perferrably, I'd have an applet in my taskbar updating costs per minute.
In a case sceneario, picture DMOZ, a big internet search archive done by people. They could survive if they charged.2 cent per search, but you got.1 cent back by doing grunt work over their links. If all you do is search, you pay. I'd accept a fair system like that.
And in the case of flat versus gradiated, I look at IP packets. We're now kicking off the heavy users on cable ISP's. Well, if they pay per packet outbound, wouldn't it make up for it? 5$ for physical line cost and X cost per 1 Kbyte output. If someone just 'surfs the web" they pay less than modem cost (because that's all they use). If someone 'leaches', they pay also (more for utilizing bandwidth). Still, I want to know how much my cost is (perferrably by applet)
How's that being a bastard? That's being an aware 'consumer' in a litigous socieity. It doesn't matter if one person consumes or a company consumes. However, EULA's can have really bad penalties on the company (MS using BSA police to bully through comps). You should already be sending licenses through the legal dept.
Course, that's a great foot-in-the-door for installations like debian or slackware. It's all open (bin and source). The only problem is the programming dept (if you have one). GPL'ed source is nasty in software-only corporations. I dont care what any other dick says, but no propeiritary software dept wants GPL infestation.
Please do not give this to Mr. Love. It's one thing to ask biting questions (what reporters usually do), but is totally out of line to insult them.
If the editors could, could you trim the second paragraph (secod sentance) out?
" Sorry to sound like a troll, but Caldera is not a linux company - stop trying to wave your banner under "unity" to forward your own agenda. "
Asking corporates questions like these just go to show how idiotic slashdotters are. You have to talk more like a journalist when you talk to these people (or if you're a worker for him, in marketesque).
I was thinking about this.... Exactly how powerful are these handhelds? I know it takes a buttload of CPU/RAM for the Wince. However, I was thinking of a design that would be fairly powerful (resource wise), and not be a battery soaker.
Why not use a 500 MHz equalavalent Crusoe processor with linux. I'm not advocating doing things with command-line either (it'll be accessable if needed). You'd be able to put a heavy size HD in this. For the video, mplayer. That might run a bit of problems with Microsoft (linux mplayer can play/convert asf and WMV). Slap on a ethernet and 1 usb and a video out (maybe a serial port).
I'd expect this to go for a lot, but it's a full comp that can do nearly everything.
We'll have a few large mega-corps do ISP jobs and backboning strcture. Well, eventaually be slapped down by a shitload of consumers, finding out they can't even have "servers". Lots of people run P2P, well that's half server/half client.
I see bandwidth being charged in the same wasy as electricity is today. However, in the 'packet' system, you pay only for packets sent out, not in (EG: the Snail Mail system). Since somebody's paying to send those packets to you, they're paying. That also eliminates hackable heuristics on wether packets are a flood/DDoS/whatever.
"If these "hackers" are anything like the Linux people I know, Norway is screwed. You know what I'm talking about, they do the following:"
a) Pretend Windows doesn't do certain things. ("You can run DNS with Windows?" "Do I need Trumpet Winsock with Windows XP?")
I'd look at mplayer. There's things you can do under that which MS WONT let you do under Windows (or atleast sue you into the ground). I regularly re-master WMV streams to mpg. There's no way you can do that under Windows (unless some crappy hax0r tool can...)
b) Downplay everything that sucks about Linux every chance you get. (TT fonts are "blurry", and "hurt my eyes" - I like my jagged fonts, I think linux fonts are fine!)
Nuh. Whenever I show friends Linux, I tell them good with bad. For some reason X fonts are shitty... We because it has beta TrueType cabibility and the standard fonts use something like 2/3 's the resolution of fonts in whindows.
c) Research every new Windows feature and figure out how *nix got it first. Then make it sound like the feature has been necessary for mission critical applications and servers, and that only recently has MS "figured it out". If a third party app accomplishes this in Windows, that doesn't count, even though your whole Linux distro is nothing more than a collection of third party apps to begin with.
Well for the longest time, *nix was the only way to go to have access to the hardware. Windows was nice that the ordinary user could use it. Linux/Unix WASNT made for the average user.
d) When Linux gets a new feature that Windows has had forever, downplay the feature. ("Yeah, TTF fonts, we got them now, if it'll shut you up, now that I have them, I don't see what the big deal is.")
And support still sucks. Even in KDE 3, transperancies were only added after people found out that WIn2k could. Pissed the KDE group off so they added that in to the 'make' list.
e) If anything in Linux doesn't have that feature, it is not important. ("Noone uses that junk in Office anyway")
Who doesnt hate clippy? Elsewise, Office is nice for template construction and integration between the subset office products. And that aside, why the hell does Office NEED to add 2 MB to the kernel code? I always watch my system (using a tripwire-like tool), and found that 'functionality'. What the hell is it?
f) You switched to Debian, but you still hate Red Hat because the copy Red Hat you tried 6 years ago sucked.
Red Hat was really cool before. 5.1 had an installation language choice 'Redneck'. "Y'all put yer shiny frisbee into yer cofffee cup holder. Now yall gonna do a thing to that drive. We's gonna floormat yer hard frisbee" Funny as hell:-)
g) Pray everytime you try a new USB device - ditto for adding new hardware AFTER you've installed linux. Chicken out and use the PS/2 adapter, blame the hardware manufacturer.
If you're patient, you probably get it to work. USB mp3 players are really easy to get working.
h) Blame X11 for every graphical performance measure in your subsystem, even though you have no idea what you're talking about. Complain that X needs to be scrapped for something like Berlin, even though you've never even been to the Berlin website. But everyone says X11 sucks, you just don't know why, but enough people say it on/. that you won't sound like a total idiot if you just toe the party line.
Used to suck... Now it actually has 3d and direct rendering support. The "X11 sux" argument is depreciated.
i) Doesn't matter if you install Gnome or KDE, your menu's are going to have 42 text editors, but not one decent word processor.
Yep, unless you delete all but your favorite.
j) Find a reason to hate GCC 2.96 even though you've never compiled anything in your life.
Well, even the SGI website says not to use it. Said that Red Had in 6.1 put a bad compiler (devel). That's a good enough reason to not touch it.
k) Doesn't matter if you install Gnome or KDE, because you're going to like Evolution, Konqueror, Kate, GVIM, Gnapster, and Koffice. you're going to like Gnome's applets, but the KDE panel. KDE let's you put a seperate background in each virtual desktop, but Gnome lets you mouse from desktop to desktop. Mozilla looks out of place in both. The one or two motif apps you use make you want to punch your monitor. You decide it's impossible to go with a 100% desktop either way or the other, so you say fuck it and just install them both and run twice the libraries that you need to. Now nothing is consistent, your themes don't match, and now you've got twice as much bloat in your system. When some asks you what you run, you say "GNOME, KDE sucks!" or "KDE, GNOME sucks!" even though you know damn well you don't care.
Like it matters anyway. Linux's worst problem is this lib mess. Your desktop is only scratching the surface.
l) You're too lazy to learn a new window manager, but when another *nix guy asks what you use, you say "FWVM, with nothing but xterms, that's all X is good for."
You're too old. However, if that would've said Windowmaker, it would have held true right now.
m) If it doesn't run well on your Pentium II 350, it's slow and bloated.
The only few things that shouldnt run well on a lower MHz chip is vid apps and idiot screen-crap like seti. Fuck seti. Vid apps rule (DVD rips with a few commands.).
n) Ten years from now, if it doesn't run well on your Pentium II 350, it's slow and bloated.
o) Blame Red Hat for attempting to destroy/take over the linux community, all the while searching for that SuSE.iso that doesn't exist.
p) You hate Microsoft because Windows cost $200 and Office costs $400, and it's too expensive to be affordable and how you're poor blah blah, but you're too cheap to send $10 to debian.org/Mandrake Club.
Fuck that argument. Most linux users WAREZ windows, or get school rebates. The rebates are 5$ a cd. How do I know? I got them.
q) When you compare features between Windows and Linux, you compare Windows 95's features to the latest CVS builds of GNOME/KDE.
Some features in KDE/Gnome are great, while many are embarassing. Linux is a work in progress.
r) Make fun of DLL Hell in windows, even though you know damn well you --force your RPMs all the time.
Have to. Shoddy developers dont include correct dependancies. Then again, SO Hell is just as bad.
s) Your first answer to a new user in #linux is "recompile your kernel", even though all he needs to do is double-click the little icon his distro gave him. When someone else points that out, complain that real men edit/etc by hand. When newbie leaves, continue to wonder why Linux on the desktop is taking so long.
Computer IRC chat rooms suck. Most people in there are kiddiez trying to gain 'l33tn3ss' points. That includes treating you lik e-shit. Anyways, I was thinking about a root-only tool that would be able to modify all the config files GUI-fracially. Make it simple. While all the other "real men" are wasting tiome reediting config files by hand, I'll be playing games.
t) You wait for someone to ask how to install something so you can say "apt-get install foo", just so you can start on your 25 minute tirade on why his distribution sucks compared to Debian.
Yep, that's the standard on Slashdot. Look in my previous posts for the "Gentoo sucks" article I wrote. I got flamed to hell over saying how bad it was for modem users and why couldn't they offer up cd-images. The linux goons started to attack me saying how simple it is bla bla. They didnt even grasp the simple concept "I dont have enough bandwidth".
u) You believe recompiling everything from source will give you a substantial performance benefit, even though you probably just recompiled that app with the default flags, but you didn't know any better. If it doesn't compile, see GCC2.96 comment above.
Binaries is the first I go at. Still some yokel is using weird-ass libs that I dont have (and isnt stated). I end up downloading the source and having to wait 10 minutes to download. Then 10 more minutes for compile-time. --==snooze==--
v) When above user posts problems with GCC2.96, link to http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html [bero.org] and flame user for trying to compile "shitty code", even though a week ago, you were doing the same exact thing.
I'd rather teach about stupid mistakes instead of flaming.
w) You've been saying that Mozilla has been your only browser since M18, though you know that it took until.9.x for you to REALLY use it. You preach that Galeon is the best browser, even though it only loads.5 seconds faster than regular Mozilla.
Mozilla is good enough for me. I dont use IE much, well not on slashdot. Thank the troll-diots for the crap-floods.
x) You hated Macintosh your entire life until you saw the bash console on a Mac at CompUSA. You feel kindred with MacOSX fans, but hate Apple because they won't let you rip off their user interface.
No, apple is cool cause they filched FreeBSD code. It's now "part of the gang". My opinion: if they want to charge 100$ for a floppy frive, they can rot in hell.
"Its seems you people have gotten so used to having stuff handed to you that you forgot the one important rule in business: YOU HAVE TO MAKE MONEY TO STAY IN BUSINESS."
What about all the GNU software on their linux distro? That ISN'T a business: It's free work done by volunteers. Also, it seems that distro's done by the actual users , like Slackware, Debian, Pentagram Linux (whatever the one is you 'summon' packages (cool, but hate the download)), are of much better quality than business linux packages. Anyways, the last time I tried swapping kernels on RH (6.1), I ended up with kernel panic (and yes, I did it right).
"The whole free software, give it away, download it for free strategy is a bad system to base a business off of."
Cause it WASN'T started at businesses. It was started as a volunteers donating to their cause (whatever it may be). Enough different causes created what Linux (the whole conglomerate OS) is today.
"Even RedHat is having a miserable time making money (let me rephrase: staying profitable) off of a free operating system."
They've managed to do it so far. They are a service company than an OS one. "You tell us what you want and we'll design it for this price. MS can do at 2x the hardware and 10x the price. Who do you want?"
"Here is one thing: they are providing the source for free... Jesus christ, what more do you want?"
I want many things, but that's not applicable in this conversation.
"A suse rep. to come to your door and install it for you????"
If I pay the 24/7/365 Linux Engineer costs, you damn right he'd better come.
"Someone is bound to compile it and distribute binary copies to everyone. Just relax, stop complaining, and someone please inform me, with your infinite wisdom, why UL is destined to fail? I just don't see it."
Nobody's (body as in person) going to buy this software. Corporates are. Money from corporatiosn is NO different than money from indivudials.
---"Hi guys. I have sleeping, Rip Van Winkle-ike, and have recently awoken from my slumbers."---
Umm... good morning:-)
---"Truth to tell I last used Netscape 3 or was it 4. Then I turned to the evil empire and used MS IE. Recently I decided to go back and see what Netscape had been up to. Of course since then Netscape got taken over and Mozilla got to be separate from Netscape and all that stuff which we know."---
Netscape 3 was great. I ended up hacking all the nasty code outta of it and making my own modules using resource hackers and assembler. 4 was starting to be big browersaurii.
---"I ran Netscape 6.2 and also Mozilla. Boy oh boy. They are bloated and slow. Now how did a group of really very clever people come up with this? Four men and a dog (woof! - well ok, a lot more than four but you get my gist) in Norway have come up with a browser in Opera than beats the daylights out of Mozilla and/or Netscape."---
Opera's fast, Ill give you that. But it messes up on some standard webpages. It just either crashes or mis-renders. NutScrape 5 or 6 whatever just plain sucks. Bloat for nothing. Mozilla isn't as bad, but it chews up CPU like candy.I have a 333 p2. When I load up Moz, it takes minutes to load up. That aint right.
---"So how is it that all these clever people with brains the size of a minor planet screw up?"---
If you want to screw up something, put it in committee.
---"I recall the leaked MS documents. ISTR they were called the October papers or something like that where Bill gates and his cohorts saw the open source communal development projects as a serious threat. Sleep well Bill. You have no need to worry. And yet this saddens me so. I am no definitely apologist for Bill Gates and I would love MS to have a bit of serious competition but Netscape/Mozilla isn't going to worry them much."---
True, IE seems faster and Moz slower, but dont forget that IE is your desktop in Windows. In the newer NT os'es, they seperated memory so that an IE crash doesnt take down your desktop. Add that consideration to that Mozilla will be able to run on nearly every playform. MS has put IE to HP(s)UX and Solaris, but wont with Linux (duh!).
---"Like my subject says, this is not a troll but I would like to try and understand why things turned out as they did. There has got to be an explanation. Back in 1994 or thereabouts I was so pleased with Netscape 0.98 and Mosaic but it all seems to have turned sour since then.:-( "---
It doesnt seem like a troll, just thought out complaints with Moz. There's a simple explanation: Look at US lawsuit against MS. It's based on that when MS gave away Netscape, the destroyed the company (no more development)
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"A good admin who is a pro will work hard to secure his servers and patch and look after them - a bad admin is a bad admin regardless of the OS"
I dont agree with that. If the underlying OS is a secure, good OS, then your assertion holds valid. However, if you're using an unsecure OS, say Winnt 4SP6, then it doesn't matter how competant the admin is. He's limited to how good he is by the OS itself.
Superb admin + superb OS = Superb integration/setup
ok admin + superb OS = ok integration/setup
bad admin + superb OS = Honeypot without "the stuff that catches you" (bad)
Superb admin + craptacular OS = Meciocre integration/setup
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the cray website is www.cray.com , not ww.cray.com
Seems like every time a good idea is made, there's 20 others later willing to pump money into that left-over market. For a while, it was bad sitcoms. Then came the Jerry Springer trash. Now, it's reality TV. Seems this trend is happening in the game world with MMORPG's. After the first few, who cares?
,I get chucles from the tombstone in FF1:
Since Square focused on the "idiot" player, the games are boring. Still
Here lies Erdrick
Hint: Erdrick was the descendant from Dragon Quest.
I never said it was credible. What I'm amazed at is that MS hasn't taken it away from him/her. If I was MS, I'd take that domain and put a blank html doc in its place.
And I do think it's rhetorically funny.
by TrollBurger
No one really gives a fuck about a new distro, the fact is that slashdot editors are payed to hype new linux stuff that no one other than a bunch of nerds would care about, while selectively ignoring other things which might be of similar or greater interest (or reliablity/security) ( - like BSD for example).
But I thought (sob!)BSD was DEAD!!!(sob!!)
"Who is michael and why are all his posts judged frontpage worthy and mine not so?
:-) Still, who wouldnt know you're a editor?
Is this some sort of joke?"
-1:Troll
Hmm, wonder who modded him down.. Michael
Wonder if they'll support the possible new kernel modules when they come out?
Side note: Like this isn't a direct note to BillG.
I knew some slashbot would make a rather inane comment on a non-issue. That's what the main project engineer was asked. See, we still dont know if faster-than-light does reverse-dilate time. It's still a theory till we prove it, and all we need is 1 out-of-bound number to throw it out.
So yes, it is a valid question.
I'm still considering very fast traveling of the light. If there was an impediment between the 1 meter, I'd consider teleportation.
There's a relativly (pun intended) interesting experiment on NEC Institute's web page. It proves that light can go faster than C. Here for NEC Faster than C webpage
It seems that this beam of light traveled about 3C. However, there's conjecture that it traveled slower, but time dilation made it seem 3C. That's unprovable at the time though.
"But it certainly makes the roads safer. A bit of a tangent, but everyone SHOULD understand how to use a computer, and have a fairly basic understanding of how it works."
I very much agree with what the original thread maker and you say, however how do you plan for this to get done?
I do have an idea how that is possible, but it will take a bit of time. Simply, make a required 1 year computer classes in High School. Have them truly be college graduates (in computers/electronics). On the first day, have every part of the computer lying on a table. Dont even have any data on the hard drive. Then class by class, teach what each part is and show how they go together. Once the whole computer is assembled, start it up. When it doesn't go into "a program" explain why that is. Show them how to install Windows AND Linux. Why both? Going over only 1 is being ignorant, and if you're a teacher, you're responsible that your pupils shouldn't be ignorant.
The final project would'nt be a paper or whatnot. It's simply: make a fully functioning computer that can do X on the network. The X has to be something simple, like watching a movie (on the network somewhere) or playing network games. It's just a 1 year class. If the school wanted to, they could either allow you to bring in your own hardware, or charge a hardware fee (then the comp's yours).
The problem with that is having half-baked teachers. Everyone know the famous slogan "If you cant do, you teach." And my opinion, I dont want MCSE's only teaching, since many of them (the ones that I know), hate linux since it's NOT microsoft. Variety's good.
"am I responsible? If I am... I am sure hell going to compile my executable statically linking every single shared library... (eek. on the code size)"
That's why Commercial Linux programs are soo big. They have to include every library for them not to have "error in loading library". It's big, but it works.
Perhaps on some programs, having static libs ARE a good idea.
...But Information wants to be FREE!! Ohh, wrong argument.
Do you want mint condition cowshit or do you have mint condition CD's ?
Can I ride on the slippery slope after you're done with it?
Personally, I like the idea of micro-payments. However, the system needs to be set up with this to begin with. I suggest using Xanadu as the server type.
.2 cent per search, but you got .1 cent back by doing grunt work over their links. If all you do is search, you pay. I'd accept a fair system like that.
In that idea, content creators set a price on a works. It may be free or for cost. All media would be streamable (meaning you can pull 3 seconds out of a movie or mp3 or whatever) and the cost would be porportional to overall works cost.
Whenever you download a "cost" media, you're charged. The key in this system is if you're a content creator, you can charge. The idea is that freeloaders pay and the contributors dont. You can always opt to be free. Still, no matter what, I want access to my bill at that exact second. Perferrably, I'd have an applet in my taskbar updating costs per minute.
In a case sceneario, picture DMOZ, a big internet search archive done by people. They could survive if they charged
And in the case of flat versus gradiated, I look at IP packets. We're now kicking off the heavy users on cable ISP's. Well, if they pay per packet outbound, wouldn't it make up for it? 5$ for physical line cost and X cost per 1 Kbyte output. If someone just 'surfs the web" they pay less than modem cost (because that's all they use). If someone 'leaches', they pay also (more for utilizing bandwidth). Still, I want to know how much my cost is (perferrably by applet)
How's that being a bastard? That's being an aware 'consumer' in a litigous socieity. It doesn't matter if one person consumes or a company consumes. However, EULA's can have really bad penalties on the company (MS using BSA police to bully through comps). You should already be sending licenses through the legal dept.
Course, that's a great foot-in-the-door for installations like debian or slackware. It's all open (bin and source). The only problem is the programming dept (if you have one). GPL'ed source is nasty in software-only corporations. I dont care what any other dick says, but no propeiritary software dept wants GPL infestation.
Please do not give this to Mr. Love. It's one thing to ask biting questions (what reporters usually do), but is totally out of line to insult them.
If the editors could, could you trim the second paragraph (secod sentance) out?
" Sorry to sound like a troll, but Caldera is not a linux company - stop trying to wave your banner under "unity" to forward your own agenda. "
Asking corporates questions like these just go to show how idiotic slashdotters are. You have to talk more like a journalist when you talk to these people (or if you're a worker for him, in marketesque).
---"Then of course there is the obligatory "imagine a beowolf cluster of [Cyc's]" comment..."---
It already exists. Go to your local McDonalds.
I was thinking about this.... Exactly how powerful are these handhelds? I know it takes a buttload of CPU/RAM for the Wince. However, I was thinking of a design that would be fairly powerful (resource wise), and not be a battery soaker.
Why not use a 500 MHz equalavalent Crusoe processor with linux. I'm not advocating doing things with command-line either (it'll be accessable if needed). You'd be able to put a heavy size HD in this. For the video, mplayer. That might run a bit of problems with Microsoft (linux mplayer can play/convert asf and WMV). Slap on a ethernet and 1 usb and a video out (maybe a serial port).
I'd expect this to go for a lot, but it's a full comp that can do nearly everything.
Well, I know what it'll eventally happen.
We'll have a few large mega-corps do ISP jobs and backboning strcture. Well, eventaually be slapped down by a shitload of consumers, finding out they can't even have "servers". Lots of people run P2P, well that's half server/half client.
I see bandwidth being charged in the same wasy as electricity is today. However, in the 'packet' system, you pay only for packets sent out, not in (EG: the Snail Mail system). Since somebody's paying to send those packets to you, they're paying. That also eliminates hackable heuristics on wether packets are a flood/DDoS/whatever.
"If these "hackers" are anything like the Linux people I know, Norway is screwed. You know what I'm talking about, they do the following:"
:-)
/. that you won't sound like a total idiot if you just toe the party line.
.iso that doesn't exist.
/etc by hand. When newbie leaves, continue to wonder why Linux on the desktop is taking so long.
.9.x for you to REALLY use it. You preach that Galeon is the best browser, even though it only loads .5 seconds faster than regular Mozilla.
a) Pretend Windows doesn't do certain things. ("You can run DNS with Windows?" "Do I need Trumpet Winsock with Windows XP?")
I'd look at mplayer. There's things you can do under that which MS WONT let you do under Windows (or atleast sue you into the ground). I regularly re-master WMV streams to mpg. There's no way you can do that under Windows (unless some crappy hax0r tool can...)
b) Downplay everything that sucks about Linux every chance you get. (TT fonts are "blurry", and "hurt my eyes" - I like my jagged fonts, I think linux fonts are fine!)
Nuh. Whenever I show friends Linux, I tell them good with bad. For some reason X fonts are shitty... We because it has beta TrueType cabibility and the standard fonts use something like 2/3 's the resolution of fonts in whindows.
c) Research every new Windows feature and figure out how *nix got it first. Then make it sound like the feature has been necessary for mission critical applications and servers, and that only recently has MS "figured it out". If a third party app accomplishes this in Windows, that doesn't count, even though your whole Linux distro is nothing more than a collection of third party apps to begin with.
Well for the longest time, *nix was the only way to go to have access to the hardware. Windows was nice that the ordinary user could use it. Linux/Unix WASNT made for the average user.
d) When Linux gets a new feature that Windows has had forever, downplay the feature. ("Yeah, TTF fonts, we got them now, if it'll shut you up, now that I have them, I don't see what the big deal is.")
And support still sucks. Even in KDE 3, transperancies were only added after people found out that WIn2k could. Pissed the KDE group off so they added that in to the 'make' list.
e) If anything in Linux doesn't have that feature, it is not important. ("Noone uses that junk in Office anyway")
Who doesnt hate clippy? Elsewise, Office is nice for template construction and integration between the subset office products. And that aside, why the hell does Office NEED to add 2 MB to the kernel code? I always watch my system (using a tripwire-like tool), and found that 'functionality'. What the hell is it?
f) You switched to Debian, but you still hate Red Hat because the copy Red Hat you tried 6 years ago sucked.
Red Hat was really cool before. 5.1 had an installation language choice 'Redneck'.
"Y'all put yer shiny frisbee into yer cofffee cup holder. Now yall gonna do a thing to that drive. We's gonna floormat yer hard frisbee"
Funny as hell
g) Pray everytime you try a new USB device - ditto for adding new hardware AFTER you've installed linux. Chicken out and use the PS/2 adapter, blame the hardware manufacturer.
If you're patient, you probably get it to work. USB mp3 players are really easy to get working.
h) Blame X11 for every graphical performance measure in your subsystem, even though you have no idea what you're talking about. Complain that X needs to be scrapped for something like Berlin, even though you've never even been to the Berlin website. But everyone says X11 sucks, you just don't know why, but enough people say it on
Used to suck... Now it actually has 3d and direct rendering support. The "X11 sux" argument is depreciated.
i) Doesn't matter if you install Gnome or KDE, your menu's are going to have 42 text editors, but not one decent word processor.
Yep, unless you delete all but your favorite.
j) Find a reason to hate GCC 2.96 even though you've never compiled anything in your life.
Well, even the SGI website says not to use it. Said that Red Had in 6.1 put a bad compiler (devel). That's a good enough reason to not touch it.
k) Doesn't matter if you install Gnome or KDE, because you're going to like Evolution, Konqueror, Kate, GVIM, Gnapster, and Koffice. you're going to like Gnome's applets, but the KDE panel. KDE let's you put a seperate background in each virtual desktop, but Gnome lets you mouse from desktop to desktop. Mozilla looks out of place in both. The one or two motif apps you use make you want to punch your monitor. You decide it's impossible to go with a 100% desktop either way or the other, so you say fuck it and just install them both and run twice the libraries that you need to. Now nothing is consistent, your themes don't match, and now you've got twice as much bloat in your system. When some asks you what you run, you say "GNOME, KDE sucks!" or "KDE, GNOME sucks!" even though you know damn well you don't care.
Like it matters anyway. Linux's worst problem is this lib mess. Your desktop is only scratching the surface.
l) You're too lazy to learn a new window manager, but when another *nix guy asks what you use, you say "FWVM, with nothing but xterms, that's all X is good for."
You're too old. However, if that would've said Windowmaker, it would have held true right now.
m) If it doesn't run well on your Pentium II 350, it's slow and bloated.
The only few things that shouldnt run well on a lower MHz chip is vid apps and idiot screen-crap like seti. Fuck seti. Vid apps rule (DVD rips with a few commands.).
n) Ten years from now, if it doesn't run well on your Pentium II 350, it's slow and bloated.
o) Blame Red Hat for attempting to destroy/take over the linux community, all the while searching for that SuSE
p) You hate Microsoft because Windows cost $200 and Office costs $400, and it's too expensive to be affordable and how you're poor blah blah, but you're too cheap to send $10 to debian.org/Mandrake Club.
Fuck that argument. Most linux users WAREZ windows, or get school rebates. The rebates are 5$ a cd. How do I know? I got them.
q) When you compare features between Windows and Linux, you compare Windows 95's features to the latest CVS builds of GNOME/KDE.
Some features in KDE/Gnome are great, while many are embarassing. Linux is a work in progress.
r) Make fun of DLL Hell in windows, even though you know damn well you --force your RPMs all the time.
Have to. Shoddy developers dont include correct dependancies. Then again, SO Hell is just as bad.
s) Your first answer to a new user in #linux is "recompile your kernel", even though all he needs to do is double-click the little icon his distro gave him. When someone else points that out, complain that real men edit
Computer IRC chat rooms suck. Most people in there are kiddiez trying to gain 'l33tn3ss' points. That includes treating you lik e-shit. Anyways, I was thinking about a root-only tool that would be able to modify all the config files GUI-fracially. Make it simple. While all the other "real men" are wasting tiome reediting config files by hand, I'll be playing games.
t) You wait for someone to ask how to install something so you can say "apt-get install foo", just so you can start on your 25 minute tirade on why his distribution sucks compared to Debian.
Yep, that's the standard on Slashdot. Look in my previous posts for the "Gentoo sucks" article I wrote. I got flamed to hell over saying how bad it was for modem users and why couldn't they offer up cd-images. The linux goons started to attack me saying how simple it is bla bla. They didnt even grasp the simple concept "I dont have enough bandwidth".
u) You believe recompiling everything from source will give you a substantial performance benefit, even though you probably just recompiled that app with the default flags, but you didn't know any better. If it doesn't compile, see GCC2.96 comment above.
Binaries is the first I go at. Still some yokel is using weird-ass libs that I dont have (and isnt stated). I end up downloading the source and having to wait 10 minutes to download. Then 10 more minutes for compile-time. --==snooze==--
v) When above user posts problems with GCC2.96, link to http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html [bero.org] and flame user for trying to compile "shitty code", even though a week ago, you were doing the same exact thing.
I'd rather teach about stupid mistakes instead of flaming.
w) You've been saying that Mozilla has been your only browser since M18, though you know that it took until
Mozilla is good enough for me. I dont use IE much, well not on slashdot. Thank the troll-diots for the crap-floods.
x) You hated Macintosh your entire life until you saw the bash console on a Mac at CompUSA. You feel kindred with MacOSX fans, but hate Apple because they won't let you rip off their user interface.
No, apple is cool cause they filched FreeBSD code. It's now "part of the gang". My opinion: if they want to charge 100$ for a floppy frive, they can rot in hell.
Blipverts here we come!!
This looks fun. You look like the exact person you use as an example...
"Wah... they aren't providing free binaries, wah wah, boo hoo hoo."
See everybody.. He's crying already.
"Its seems you people have gotten so used to having stuff handed to you that you forgot the one important rule in business: YOU HAVE TO MAKE MONEY TO STAY IN BUSINESS."
What about all the GNU software on their linux distro? That ISN'T a business: It's free work done by volunteers. Also, it seems that distro's done by the actual users , like Slackware, Debian, Pentagram Linux (whatever the one is you 'summon' packages (cool, but hate the download)), are of much better quality than business linux packages. Anyways, the last time I tried swapping kernels on RH (6.1), I ended up with kernel panic (and yes, I did it right).
"The whole free software, give it away, download it for free strategy is a bad system to base a business off of."
Cause it WASN'T started at businesses. It was started as a volunteers donating to their cause (whatever it may be). Enough different causes created what Linux (the whole conglomerate OS) is today.
"Even RedHat is having a miserable time making money (let me rephrase: staying profitable) off of a free operating system."
They've managed to do it so far. They are a service company than an OS one. "You tell us what you want and we'll design it for this price. MS can do at 2x the hardware and 10x the price. Who do you want?"
"Here is one thing: they are providing the source for free... Jesus christ, what more do you want?"
I want many things, but that's not applicable in this conversation.
"A suse rep. to come to your door and install it for you????"
If I pay the 24/7/365 Linux Engineer costs, you damn right he'd better come.
"Someone is bound to compile it and distribute binary copies to everyone. Just relax, stop complaining, and someone please inform me, with your infinite wisdom, why UL is destined to fail? I just don't see it."
Nobody's (body as in person) going to buy this software. Corporates are. Money from corporatiosn is NO different than money from indivudials.
Umm, dont you mean "Crash here for sexy virgins!"
---"Hi guys. I have sleeping, Rip Van Winkle-ike, and have recently awoken from my slumbers."---
:-)
:-( "---
Umm... good morning
---"Truth to tell I last used Netscape 3 or was it 4. Then I turned to the evil empire and used MS IE. Recently I decided to go back and see what Netscape had been up to. Of course since then Netscape got taken over and Mozilla got to be separate from Netscape and all that stuff which we know."---
Netscape 3 was great. I ended up hacking all the nasty code outta of it and making my own modules using resource hackers and assembler. 4 was starting to be big browersaurii.
---"I ran Netscape 6.2 and also Mozilla. Boy oh boy. They are bloated and slow. Now how did a group of really very clever people come up with this? Four men and a dog (woof! - well ok, a lot more than four but you get my gist) in Norway have come up with a browser in Opera than beats the daylights out of Mozilla and/or Netscape."---
Opera's fast, Ill give you that. But it messes up on some standard webpages. It just either crashes or mis-renders. NutScrape 5 or 6 whatever just plain sucks. Bloat for nothing. Mozilla isn't as bad, but it chews up CPU like candy.I have a 333 p2. When I load up Moz, it takes minutes to load up. That aint right.
---"So how is it that all these clever people with brains the size of a minor planet screw up?"---
If you want to screw up something, put it in committee.
---"I recall the leaked MS documents. ISTR they were called the October papers or something like that where Bill gates and his cohorts saw the open source communal development projects as a serious threat. Sleep well Bill. You have no need to worry. And yet this saddens me so. I am no definitely apologist for Bill Gates and I would love MS to have a bit of serious competition but Netscape/Mozilla isn't going to worry them much."---
True, IE seems faster and Moz slower, but dont forget that IE is your desktop in Windows. In the newer NT os'es, they seperated memory so that an IE crash doesnt take down your desktop. Add that consideration to that Mozilla will be able to run on nearly every playform. MS has put IE to HP(s)UX and Solaris, but wont with Linux (duh!).
---"Like my subject says, this is not a troll but I would like to try and understand why things turned out as they did. There has got to be an explanation. Back in 1994 or thereabouts I was so pleased with Netscape 0.98 and Mosaic but it all seems to have turned sour since then.
It doesnt seem like a troll, just thought out complaints with Moz. There's a simple explanation: Look at US lawsuit against MS. It's based on that when MS gave away Netscape, the destroyed the company (no more development)