I actually read TFA, and it states, as the summary quotes, "Apparently, the student violated school policies", but the article doesn't state the policy in question. It is hard to know if this is a case of stupid overreaction or a real violation of the rules. Does anyone know the exact wording of this "policy"?
I agree. But having done some volunteer work inside prisons a few times, and having spent a significant amount of time conversing with pedophillic sex offenders, I can tell you one thing: unlike 'regular' porn, child porn plays to an entirely different audience. People who desire it see any child nudity as erotic.
Yes, but the converse isn't true. Viewing child nudity doesn't turn a non-pedophile into a pedophile, and that's the point relevant to the present debate.
If the USA did this, it could remove itself from the lawsuit claiming "Sovereign Immunity" and it's game over. Are you telling us that China doesn't have this out clause?
Actually, sovereign immunity means you can't sue the government if they pass a law that affects you in a negative way. It doesn't give the government free reign to ignore existing laws. The government has to pay license fees for copyrighted material just like everyone else. Do you think the U.S. government didn't pay for all the copies of Microsoft Office it uses. (Granted they probably get a great deal on some sort of bulk licensing agreement, but still, I'm sure Microsoft gets paid.)
There was an article that mentioned that use of these scanners violated GB laws on child porn.
The U.K. must have some very weird laws on pornography then. In most civilized countries, including the U.S., nudity!=pornography. Do people in the U.K. get arrested for taking family photos at nude beaches?
My first reaction is WTH, but on the other hand don't embassy staffers have pretty much the same deal?
Yes, but embassy staffers aren't law enforcement agents. They don't have the job mandate or inclination to go around arresting people and removing them to foreign jurisdictions. With diplomatic immunity what's to stop Interpol agents from arresting U.S. citizens on U.S. soil and taking them off to the Hague to stand trial?
Endure non-life-threatening illnesses without drugs, it helps you build an immune system. Taking drugs means your body never learns to fend for itself, like a spoiled brat.
Yeah. That's why everybody had a life expectancy > 100 years before antibiotics were discovered.
There's a difference between teaching that God created everything in 4000 BC (or thereabouts) and including the historical aspect of religion and how it affected Europe.
[John]
Rather hard to teach the latter without the former. How can you teach how something affected Europe without teaching the something?
Don't forget DEC also had one of the first 64 bit CPUs to be widely used. And their filesystem AdvFS did just about everything ZFS does approximately 12 years earlier!
And the first time I ever used a computer as a kid was playing Dungeon on a VAX. I was using a DECWriter hardcopy terminal and I kept the printouts for a very long time. Looked for them recently when cleaning the house, but alas, they seem to be gone.
I couldn't believe it when they were bought out by Compaq. I just couldn't believe it.
What neither writer makes clear is why isoHunt and Fung, both Canadian, are participating in a lawsuit in California.
Much of the material indexed in IsoHunt is copyrighted by U.S. companies, and many of the users of IsoHunt are based in the U.S. That's more than enough to give them a nexus.
I don't understand why the FTC even has jurisdiction here. Remember folks, Facebook is FREE. That's right. You don't pay to sign up. True, they make money from advertising, but that doesn't constitute any kind of contractual relationship between Facebook and its users, implied or otherwise. (This is quite distinct from sale of a product or service, in which case the acceptance of money carries all sorts of implied warranties.) If you don't like their privacy policies, then don't use Facebook!
And that's all thats required to know they were in the wrong. If they were going to change their mind, they need to inform their employees that the change is occuring, and that his privacy will then be at stake. They should only be able to check pager transcriptions after that day.
True, but only if said lieutenant had the authority to override department policy on the matter in the first place.
Under an informal policy adopted by a police lieutenant, those who paid the excess charges themselves would not have their messages inspected.
And was it the police lieutenant who read the messages or someone higher up? If department policy says that messages can be read, I don't think a sole lieutenant has the authority to change that policy, and he certainly can't speak for his bosses.
1. Become influential or join together with a group of influential friends.
2. Buy things very cheap.
3. Sell them at a higher price.
4. Profit
In fact, you could set up a brokerage business where you find people that have cheapest access to things, offer to buy from them at a slightly higher price than they pay, and sell at a higher price to groups that would have to pay even more. Lots of profit opportunities here.
In my country buying of stolen goods or information is a criminal offence, at least the members of press that got information in their hands have to prove they did not know that the info or goods were stolen.
Well, then, I'm glad I don't live in your country.
The comparisons you are making have nothing to do with the above either, in all of those cases the individual/company has purchased a product and is not providing a continuing service. You can buy a car and then never talk to the manufacturer/dealer of the car again, including if it needs repairs. An Internet connection is a continuing service relationship. You pay a company monthly (in most cases) for a connection. When it goes out, you contact your provider, and don't talk to a 3rd party shop, etc. Apples to oranges.
Ok. Many (in fact, most) manufacturers of photocopiers sell service contracts with their machines and therefore have an ongoing relationship with their customers. Should Xerox have to deal with a flood of infringement notices when their machines are used to copy sheet music?
Businesses such as ISPs want to enjoy the benefit of being able to make money out of the provision of Internet service facilities and they enjoy that benefit. But it carries with it a responsibility.
Actually, all business want to enjoy the benefit of being able to make money by providing a product or service to customers, including the movie industry. But since when is it the responsibility of one business to protect the business interests of another business? Cars can be used to facilitate bank robberies, matches can be used to facilitate arson, photocopiers can be used to facilitate copyright infringement. Should car manufacturers and match manufacturers get out of their respective businesses if they aren't willing to help?
Ok. They're monitoring their customers for illegal file sharing, even going so far as to identify whether or not the copied material has been licensed by the copyright holders. Does this not make them guilty of contributory infringement? They are providing the networks which allow users to infringe copyright. They know that infringement is taking place via their deep packets inspection, down to the level of individual acts of infringement. Then they are destroying data which can identify infringers, but they continue to provide them with networks service. How is this legal?
I have not read much on this case, from skimming his wikipedia page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon...it seems he is a UK citizen, right? Why would the UK extradite a citizen to the US? If it were the other way around I think an extradition would be very unlikely.
I honestly don't understand why so many people think he shouldn't be extradited. The way most extradition treaties work is if you commit a crime in or against a country with which you have an extradition treaty, and if that crime is also a crime in your home country, then you are extradited. I think Britain has hacking laws, so this seems fairly clear cut. Why do so many people have a problem with extraditing him? Is it because you think hacking shouldn't be a crime, or what?
No devices where failure to perform according to specs and fail gracefully will land you in prison for between 2 and 15 years.
Can you give an example of this, please? I even remember a medical device failing a few years back and giving people lethal doses of radiation due to a software bug. I don't remember anyone going to jail.
I'm honestly having trouble coming up with an example of how, say, some item in a math curriculum is "right" for one district and not another.
You can't cover all that is known about mathematics in K-12, so some material must be taught and some omitted. If every district in the country used the exact same curriculum, then every person in the country would learn and NOT learn the exact same things. Is it better to have a workforce in which every person has the same knowledge and gaps, or is it better to have a diversity in the workforce? I believe the latter is more valuable. That way, you're more likely to have someone who knows some required knowledge to solve some problem, and you'll have many who can provide fresh ideas and perspectives in solving old problems. That's why I think centralized planning and nationwide standardized tests can be extremely dangerous.
I might be on your side if there were actual experts in the fields making decisions on school boards instead of, for example, policemen and dentists deciding what a biology curriculum should include. Substituting experts making decisions on a national scale is a pretty good idea.
The problem is the so-called "experts" are often people with education degrees, rather than subject degrees. And what's wrong with policemen and dentists having a say in the curriculum? They are people working in real jobs who know what kind of knowledge is needed in diverse parts of the workforce.
"You're a radical! How DARE you tear apart the DOE? Everything would go to hell if you did that! We live in a society and we must have government running that society. Duh." - pro-big-government citizen
Troll??? Obviously the moderators here don't understand irony.
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I actually read TFA, and it states, as the summary quotes, "Apparently, the student violated school policies", but the article doesn't state the policy in question. It is hard to know if this is a case of stupid overreaction or a real violation of the rules. Does anyone know the exact wording of this "policy"?
If you have a question for a lawyer and you can't afford one, stop what you're doing.
That has to be the saddest statement I've read in a long time.
Yes, but also one of the truest.
I agree. But having done some volunteer work inside prisons a few times, and having spent a significant amount of time conversing with pedophillic sex offenders, I can tell you one thing: unlike 'regular' porn, child porn plays to an entirely different audience. People who desire it see any child nudity as erotic.
Yes, but the converse isn't true. Viewing child nudity doesn't turn a non-pedophile into a pedophile, and that's the point relevant to the present debate.
If the USA did this, it could remove itself from the lawsuit claiming "Sovereign Immunity" and it's game over. Are you telling us that China doesn't have this out clause?
Actually, sovereign immunity means you can't sue the government if they pass a law that affects you in a negative way. It doesn't give the government free reign to ignore existing laws. The government has to pay license fees for copyrighted material just like everyone else. Do you think the U.S. government didn't pay for all the copies of Microsoft Office it uses. (Granted they probably get a great deal on some sort of bulk licensing agreement, but still, I'm sure Microsoft gets paid.)
There was an article that mentioned that use of these scanners violated GB laws on child porn.
The U.K. must have some very weird laws on pornography then. In most civilized countries, including the U.S., nudity!=pornography. Do people in the U.K. get arrested for taking family photos at nude beaches?
INTERPOL employees are not law enforcement agents, either.
Err, I think the "POL" in INTERPOL stands for police.
"...what's to stop Interpol agents from arresting U.S. citizens on U.S. soil and taking them off to the Hague to stand trial?"
could it be...US law?
Which INTERPOL is now immune to, thanks to President Obama.
My first reaction is WTH, but on the other hand don't embassy staffers have pretty much the same deal?
Yes, but embassy staffers aren't law enforcement agents. They don't have the job mandate or inclination to go around arresting people and removing them to foreign jurisdictions. With diplomatic immunity what's to stop Interpol agents from arresting U.S. citizens on U.S. soil and taking them off to the Hague to stand trial?
Endure non-life-threatening illnesses without drugs, it helps you build an immune system. Taking drugs means your body never learns to fend for itself, like a spoiled brat.
Yeah. That's why everybody had a life expectancy > 100 years before antibiotics were discovered.
There's a difference between teaching that God created everything in 4000 BC (or thereabouts) and including the historical aspect of religion and how it affected Europe.
[John]
Rather hard to teach the latter without the former. How can you teach how something affected Europe without teaching the something?
'No it's not! said Constable Visit. 'Atheism is a denial of a god.'
'Therefore It Is A Religious Position,'
Quite true, but religious position != religion.
Don't forget DEC also had one of the first 64 bit CPUs to be widely used. And their filesystem AdvFS did just about everything ZFS does approximately 12 years earlier!
And the first time I ever used a computer as a kid was playing Dungeon on a VAX. I was using a DECWriter hardcopy terminal and I kept the printouts for a very long time. Looked for them recently when cleaning the house, but alas, they seem to be gone.
I couldn't believe it when they were bought out by Compaq. I just couldn't believe it.
who actually uses this... it REQUIRES windows?
I know. I've been hoping for years they'll release a version for Linux, but they never do.
What neither writer makes clear is why isoHunt and Fung, both Canadian, are participating in a lawsuit in California.
Much of the material indexed in IsoHunt is copyrighted by U.S. companies, and many of the users of IsoHunt are based in the U.S. That's more than enough to give them a nexus.
I don't understand why the FTC even has jurisdiction here. Remember folks, Facebook is FREE. That's right. You don't pay to sign up. True, they make money from advertising, but that doesn't constitute any kind of contractual relationship between Facebook and its users, implied or otherwise. (This is quite distinct from sale of a product or service, in which case the acceptance of money carries all sorts of implied warranties.) If you don't like their privacy policies, then don't use Facebook!
The lieutenant eventually changed his mind
And that's all thats required to know they were in the wrong. If they were going to change their mind, they need to inform their employees that the change is occuring, and that his privacy will then be at stake. They should only be able to check pager transcriptions after that day.
True, but only if said lieutenant had the authority to override department policy on the matter in the first place.
Under an informal policy adopted by a police lieutenant, those who paid the excess charges themselves would not have their messages inspected.
And was it the police lieutenant who read the messages or someone higher up? If department policy says that messages can be read, I don't think a sole lieutenant has the authority to change that policy, and he certainly can't speak for his bosses.
1. Become influential or join together with a group of influential friends.
2. Buy things very cheap.
3. Sell them at a higher price.
4. Profit
In fact, you could set up a brokerage business where you find people that have cheapest access to things, offer to buy from them at a slightly higher price than they pay, and sell at a higher price to groups that would have to pay even more. Lots of profit opportunities here.
In my country buying of stolen goods or information is a criminal offence, at least the members of press that got information in their hands have to prove they did not know that the info or goods were stolen.
Well, then, I'm glad I don't live in your country.
The comparisons you are making have nothing to do with the above either, in all of those cases the individual/company has purchased a product and is not providing a continuing service. You can buy a car and then never talk to the manufacturer/dealer of the car again, including if it needs repairs. An Internet connection is a continuing service relationship. You pay a company monthly (in most cases) for a connection. When it goes out, you contact your provider, and don't talk to a 3rd party shop, etc. Apples to oranges.
Ok. Many (in fact, most) manufacturers of photocopiers sell service contracts with their machines and therefore have an ongoing relationship with their customers. Should Xerox have to deal with a flood of infringement notices when their machines are used to copy sheet music?
Businesses such as ISPs want to enjoy the benefit of being able to make money out of the provision of Internet service facilities and they enjoy that benefit. But it carries with it a responsibility.
Actually, all business want to enjoy the benefit of being able to make money by providing a product or service to customers, including the movie industry. But since when is it the responsibility of one business to protect the business interests of another business? Cars can be used to facilitate bank robberies, matches can be used to facilitate arson, photocopiers can be used to facilitate copyright infringement. Should car manufacturers and match manufacturers get out of their respective businesses if they aren't willing to help?
Ok. They're monitoring their customers for illegal file sharing, even going so far as to identify whether or not the copied material has been licensed by the copyright holders. Does this not make them guilty of contributory infringement? They are providing the networks which allow users to infringe copyright. They know that infringement is taking place via their deep packets inspection, down to the level of individual acts of infringement. Then they are destroying data which can identify infringers, but they continue to provide them with networks service. How is this legal?
I have not read much on this case, from skimming his wikipedia page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon ...it seems he is a UK citizen, right? Why would the UK extradite a citizen to the US? If it were the other way around I think an extradition would be very unlikely.
I honestly don't understand why so many people think he shouldn't be extradited. The way most extradition treaties work is if you commit a crime in or against a country with which you have an extradition treaty, and if that crime is also a crime in your home country, then you are extradited. I think Britain has hacking laws, so this seems fairly clear cut. Why do so many people have a problem with extraditing him? Is it because you think hacking shouldn't be a crime, or what?
No devices where failure to perform according to specs and fail gracefully will land you in prison for between 2 and 15 years.
Can you give an example of this, please? I even remember a medical device failing a few years back and giving people lethal doses of radiation due to a software bug. I don't remember anyone going to jail.
I'm honestly having trouble coming up with an example of how, say, some item in a math curriculum is "right" for one district and not another.
You can't cover all that is known about mathematics in K-12, so some material must be taught and some omitted. If every district in the country used the exact same curriculum, then every person in the country would learn and NOT learn the exact same things. Is it better to have a workforce in which every person has the same knowledge and gaps, or is it better to have a diversity in the workforce? I believe the latter is more valuable. That way, you're more likely to have someone who knows some required knowledge to solve some problem, and you'll have many who can provide fresh ideas and perspectives in solving old problems. That's why I think centralized planning and nationwide standardized tests can be extremely dangerous.
I might be on your side if there were actual experts in the fields making decisions on school boards instead of, for example, policemen and dentists deciding what a biology curriculum should include. Substituting experts making decisions on a national scale is a pretty good idea.
The problem is the so-called "experts" are often people with education degrees, rather than subject degrees. And what's wrong with policemen and dentists having a say in the curriculum? They are people working in real jobs who know what kind of knowledge is needed in diverse parts of the workforce.
"You're a radical! How DARE you tear apart the DOE? Everything would go to hell if you did that! We live in a society and we must have government running that society. Duh." - pro-big-government citizen
Troll??? Obviously the moderators here don't understand irony.