You know what's funny? I've been to the US and to China.... Guess which one was easier to get into? By a long shot China, and for that one I had to apply for a visa in their embassy. Makes you think, doesn't it?
Well, I still have to work in an IT department where they haven't at least heard of Linux. Actually, I've never met an IT guy that didn't at least try Linux once. Most of them have at least one Linux box.
That said, I've mostly only worked with people that have a computer science background, so my view is probably tainted.
Besides, for those too lazy to read up the history of Open Source and Linux, just watch Revolution OS. Features Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds, Bruce Perens, Eric Raymond and many more.
Uhm, depends on how long you've been frequenting slashdot...
Not only that, I knew the story even before knowing slashdot. In days long gone, it was pretty much included in every Linux book you could buy. This is pretty much "required general knowledge" for anyone being in Computer Sience or IT.
Euh, there are Asians with quite some boobies. Other than that, yes, okay, you busted me on inconsistency... So sue me... Some asians are hot without big boobies, but the whities and blackies can't go without though.
Be overweight, bitchy and expensive? Like most American women?;-)
Sorry, that statement made me think of the following joke, hence my statement:
In heaven the police are English,
the French are the cooks,
the wives are Japanese,
all houses are American,
the Italians are the lovers,
and everything is organized by the Germans.
In hell the English are the cooks,
the French are the police, the wives are American,
the houses are Japanese,
the Germans are the lovers,
and everything is organized by the Italians.
Because consumers in America want free or cheap phones with long contracts.
Are you sure it's what consumers want, not what companies offer? It's just a honest question.
I'm from Europe, which is the middle ground between Japan and the US in cell phone technology. However, we get both: you can easily buy a non-SIM-locked phone and use it on any network you want, or you can get a subsidised phone from a smaller selection that a cell phone provider bundles with a cell phone plan. That said, they never seem to be functionally locked. That means, even if it's subsidised, Bluetooth won't be locked from file transfers and so. A thing I heard that is fairly common in the US.
I've been with the same cell phone provider for nearly 10 years, yet I never took a subsidised phone. It might be dumb, but I preferred to choose the phone I wanted.
Again, I don't say this for upsetting anyone. I just wonder if the lack of choice is imposed by the consumers themselves or if it's the telco companies that decided that this way is more lucrative.
That's why I brought up the point. I have ample experience with SCSI, but I know you have to take a SCSI adapter that can boot, otherwise you're still dependent on an IDE boot disk.
True... However, pointing out that PC-BSD is for the desktop is like pointing out that Ubuntu Linux is for the desktop when the discussion is about Freesco....
No, I don't spend much time on UseNet, but the "worst" stuff I accidentally came across were pics of nekkid kids that probably were on a vacation in some nude camp somewhere. Sure, it shouldn't be online, I'm not saying that.
I haven't used Usenet since 1994. Is there still a reason to use it, except getting kiddie porn?;-)
Yes? Which is based on FreeBSD and not OpenBSD. FreeBSD which is also used by many people on the desktop (I did a while ago, but that laptop died, unrelated to FreeBSD of course;-) ). They are really only related by their name and their license. OpenBSD is a fork of NetBSD, which came from 386BSD which also forked into FreeBSD. Let's say OpenBSD and PC-BSD are something like cousins.
You do realise that their revision control server is accessible from the outside world over the internet, don't you? It probably sits behind a firewall, but the CVS ports must still be open.
The 20, 160, 250 and 4x300GB disks I have are all working perfectly
I bought two 160Gig Maxtor drives, one for my machine, one for my parents machine. My parents disk failed after 3 months but it's a heavily used machine, mine failed just after warranty, but the machine was rarely used and turned off most of the time. I also have a 80Gig Maxtor drive that behaves very funkily.
The replacement drive they sent for the "failed after three months", failed a few months ago, while the warranty had just been expired. I have sworn myself never to buy Maxtor again....
Complex == insecure to them. Which, to me, implies that secure == poverty.
No, you have your negation wrong.... If Complex == Insecure then !Complex = !Insecure, and thus Simple = Secure. The funny thing is: you cannot argue with that: simple is easier to audit and thus easier to audit. It really is that simple (Dah-dum!). Simple doesn't equate poverty, or a Lotus Elise is a poor-mans-car. (Having no radio, AC, etc...) Sorry for the "bad car analogy"(tm).
You also forget the target demographic for OpenBSD: this is not for your Desktop, nor even for your high-load server. You can use it for that, but the niche in which it lives is firewall, NAT, transparent bridging. Places where security matters more than anything else. Sure, a bit more complex to set up, you need to work more, but this is not your moms OS.
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You know what's funny? I've been to the US and to China.... Guess which one was easier to get into? By a long shot China, and for that one I had to apply for a visa in their embassy. Makes you think, doesn't it?
Well, I still have to work in an IT department where they haven't at least heard of Linux. Actually, I've never met an IT guy that didn't at least try Linux once. Most of them have at least one Linux box.
That said, I've mostly only worked with people that have a computer science background, so my view is probably tainted.
It is indeed called "Just for Fun", and yes, I have it in my bookshelf. It's a great read.
Besides, for those too lazy to read up the history of Open Source and Linux, just watch Revolution OS. Features Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds, Bruce Perens, Eric Raymond and many more.
Uhm, depends on how long you've been frequenting slashdot...
Not only that, I knew the story even before knowing slashdot. In days long gone, it was pretty much included in every Linux book you could buy. This is pretty much "required general knowledge" for anyone being in Computer Sience or IT.
Holy cow! A Google employee giving the solution right here. Are you sure you aren't violating some NDA?
As if I didn't know....
Euh, there are Asians with quite some boobies. Other than that, yes, okay, you busted me on inconsistency... So sue me... Some asians are hot without big boobies, but the whities and blackies can't go without though.
Can't we go to the middle ground and let Google go Asian? Asians are way hotter than Whites and Blacks.
Of course, I wouldn't know how to implement that, but damn, they're Google, they're going to find a way!
On the other hand, we're talking about energy savings and global warming, so perhaps having a "hotter homepage" is going to be counterproductive.
There are a lot of versions. I also heard yours, but in this context I needed the one with "American women".
Sorry... Misread that...
What fanless system? I don't have a fanless system?!? Confusing me with someone else?
I know plenty of motherboards that are 5 years old that can't boot from USB. For example my Tyan Tiger MPX.
and my women to ... ;-)
Be overweight, bitchy and expensive? Like most American women? ;-)
Sorry, that statement made me think of the following joke, hence my statement:
In heaven the police are English,
the French are the cooks,
the wives are Japanese,
all houses are American,
the Italians are the lovers,
and everything is organized by the Germans.
In hell the English are the cooks,
the French are the police,
the wives are American,
the houses are Japanese,
the Germans are the lovers,
and everything is organized by the Italians.
Because consumers in America want free or cheap phones with long contracts.
Are you sure it's what consumers want, not what companies offer? It's just a honest question.
I'm from Europe, which is the middle ground between Japan and the US in cell phone technology. However, we get both: you can easily buy a non-SIM-locked phone and use it on any network you want, or you can get a subsidised phone from a smaller selection that a cell phone provider bundles with a cell phone plan. That said, they never seem to be functionally locked. That means, even if it's subsidised, Bluetooth won't be locked from file transfers and so. A thing I heard that is fairly common in the US.
I've been with the same cell phone provider for nearly 10 years, yet I never took a subsidised phone. It might be dumb, but I preferred to choose the phone I wanted.
Again, I don't say this for upsetting anyone. I just wonder if the lack of choice is imposed by the consumers themselves or if it's the telco companies that decided that this way is more lucrative.
I thought it was the other way around: Seagate that bought Maxtor. I've still seen Maxtor brand disks (SATA) in my local supermarket.
The best disk I have is a (over?) 10 year old 18Gig IBM SCSI drive, but those are not in the same league (and price range) as SATA or PATA disks are.
That's why I brought up the point. I have ample experience with SCSI, but I know you have to take a SCSI adapter that can boot, otherwise you're still dependent on an IDE boot disk.
True... However, pointing out that PC-BSD is for the desktop is like pointing out that Ubuntu Linux is for the desktop when the discussion is about Freesco....
No, I don't spend much time on UseNet, but the "worst" stuff I accidentally came across were pics of nekkid kids that probably were on a vacation in some nude camp somewhere. Sure, it shouldn't be online, I'm not saying that.
I haven't used Usenet since 1994. Is there still a reason to use it, except getting kiddie porn? ;-)
Yes? Which is based on FreeBSD and not OpenBSD. FreeBSD which is also used by many people on the desktop (I did a while ago, but that laptop died, unrelated to FreeBSD of course ;-) ). They are really only related by their name and their license. OpenBSD is a fork of NetBSD, which came from 386BSD which also forked into FreeBSD. Let's say OpenBSD and PC-BSD are something like cousins.
Logical terminology! So We Meet Again, My old Arch Nemesis. ;-)
That's for clearing that up, you are of course 100% right.
You do realise that their revision control server is accessible from the outside world over the internet, don't you? It probably sits behind a firewall, but the CVS ports must still be open.
The 20, 160, 250 and 4x300GB disks I have are all working perfectly
I bought two 160Gig Maxtor drives, one for my machine, one for my parents machine. My parents disk failed after 3 months but it's a heavily used machine, mine failed just after warranty, but the machine was rarely used and turned off most of the time. I also have a 80Gig Maxtor drive that behaves very funkily.
The replacement drive they sent for the "failed after three months", failed a few months ago, while the warranty had just been expired. I have sworn myself never to buy Maxtor again....
Can you boot from it? That's a minimum feature, you know....
simple is easier to audit and thus easier to audit.
Should be: simple is easier to audit and thus easier to secure.
Complex == insecure to them. Which, to me, implies that secure == poverty.
No, you have your negation wrong.... If Complex == Insecure then !Complex = !Insecure, and thus Simple = Secure. The funny thing is: you cannot argue with that: simple is easier to audit and thus easier to audit. It really is that simple (Dah-dum!). Simple doesn't equate poverty, or a Lotus Elise is a poor-mans-car. (Having no radio, AC, etc...) Sorry for the "bad car analogy"(tm).
You also forget the target demographic for OpenBSD: this is not for your Desktop, nor even for your high-load server. You can use it for that, but the niche in which it lives is firewall, NAT, transparent bridging. Places where security matters more than anything else. Sure, a bit more complex to set up, you need to work more, but this is not your moms OS.