Ricoh doesn't make Inkjets either. A black cartridge is ~50€, and I do 10000 pages with that. The colour ones are ~100€ per colour, so if those run out it hurts a bit more...
That said, I'm very happy with the printer and their service is exemplary.
But the life of an inanimate object isn't quite like that.
It isn't?!? Please clarify.... Everything has a beginning and an end. The rock in your garden, was once a part from a mountain, a mountain that itself began it's life when two tectonic plaques collided, tectonic plaques that formed when earth cooled down, an earth that solidified when the suns accretion disk solified....
Do you want me to go on? Everything, even inanimate objects have a beginning... and an end...
No, I think we're just old and got so used to the hierarchical organization of files that we don't see the advantages of having to search. Basically, the system keeps a big blob of data for you and you simply ask for it what you want to work on. Organization? Not needed: the big pile of junk is indexed continuously (eating up CPU cycles...)
Personally, I prefer files & folders... but alas, this often goes beyond the comprehension of the basic user. Oh, and personally, I see it as a badge of honour of running as less tools as possible....
Oh, and for the record: I know a girl that is very desirable that is as flat as a ironing board. Of course, I didn't know she was interested in me until I got married;-)
Sorry, I mixed up terms. What I meant is that GSM uses data packets (just like TCP). It is evidently connection oriented, or your calls would end up to sound very weird. My point was that in the end it still are digital packets, not so much unlike TCP.
Of course, each packet has its alloted time, which makes it different from TCP...
Actually, if you look at it from a purely technical point: right now even normal voice over a GSM phone is data. It's a digital phone, GSM is packet oriented. It sends purely digital data. Just like on ISDN...
The difference is that the "voice" data has strict timing requirements, and some trade-offs were made to accomodate these requirements. Normal data networks have caught up, and that's why VoIP is possible these days.
I had a consulting gig at a big ass bank and I loved the 21" CRT I had there, and I had the desk to go with it;-) Damn, I wish I was still there, if only for the monitor.
Science is based, even moreso, on the scientific method, which, sadly, doesn't seem to be taught in schools in the U.S.
I'm European and I got the scientific method in school. There is stuff I consider "basic high school" knowledge like basic calculus, basic physics (including a notion of General Relativity), just to give you an idea. I do now realize, that I was heavily biased by my "choices" in school. I went for maths/physics/chemistry. Why did I realize? Because, I'm married to a woman that is practically the perfect opposite of me. Studied arts. For her it is unfathomable that you don't know who Gustav Klimt is, but has absolutely no notion of the scientific method. (For the record, I did not know who Gustav Klimt was when I met her...)
I know this because a while ago, creationism came up and it made sense to her that "there had to be a creator". To someone with a non-scientific background, creationism makes sense.... She also believes a whole lot of things I call bollocks, and I turn my eyes....
She probably thinks the same of me when I can't appreciate some painting or music;-)
In summary, even in Europe, the scientific method is probably only stressed on in scientific branches of education. On slashdot we are extremely biased to those... (My dad and mom are petty much nerds too, so, I wasn't used to anything else)
I think you haven't understood what he meant... He said it isn't possible to destroy matter or energy, in the sense that you cannot destroy either one without getting the other one. You, see: E=mc^2 tells us that matter *is* energy, and nothing more. As my physics teacher said "matter is a condensed form of energy". So, yes, you can "destroy matter", but you get energy, and inversely you can "destroy energy" but you get matter. However, since matter is energy, you didn't "destroy", you "converted".
If you could destroy matter, you could make my cup of coffee vanish without me being burnt up by a thermonuclear reaction. If you can do that, then you have truly destroyed matter and I will be wondering where my cup of coffee is instead being just ashes.
Give me a 1600x1200 21"CRT anyday over this piece of shit laptop display (1280x800) I'm typing on right now. My employer isn't cheap on computers, but somehow I ended up with a laptop with the lowest possible resolution.
Yes, I know the difference between the PR rating and the actual GHz of an AMD chip. That said, I was mostly complaining about the rest of the configuration: if I could build a machine for 500 myself with 512Meg and a 80Gig harddisk, which means it was a low-end machine, then a mid-end (what most people buy) machine bought in a store would at least have 512Meg RAM and a disk of at least 80Gig, if not more. A very low end machine in the store might have had 256Meg RAM, but a 256Meg RAM machine with Windows SP2 is unbearable. (Yes, SP2 was out by then...) My wifes machine, bought in 2003 (and high end at that time) was a P-IV 2.6HT/512Meg RAM/120Gig harddisk. That was about a year before I built that machine for my sister!
Sure, the CPU GHz rating was a good estimate, but keep in mind that the GHz rating hasn't been growing in the last few years...
Uhm? I don't understand. Did you use html-tags to illustrate something, because in that case (for someone that is part of the slashdot crowd and knows the difference between html and plaintext), you should use html entities. No, really, they are very nifty to actually display greater than and lower than signs. Try this the following time > for >, and < for <
At least when you buy a used car, even a non-mechanic can figure out that a 2001 Ford Focus is a piece of shit...
Why? Because it's a Ford, or because that it's 6 years old? I mean I drive a 7 year old Audi TT now... (Yes, you USies would call it a 2000 Audi TT, and that's the year I bought it.) I don't think it's a piece of shit and I'm most definitely not going to sell it.
If people advertised their PC as a "2004 AMD" then you could derive that it's between 1.6 and 2.4ghz, probably has 256mb of ram and a 40gh hard drive.
A 2004 AMD with those specs? I built in April 2004, an AMD Athlon XP 2600+/512Meg RAM/80Gig HD for my sister. The challenge for me was "if I manage to put together a PC for 500€ or less, you'll get it as a gift from me". She got it as a gift, just that you know. Yes, she still uses it to this day.
Say, a 2001 AMD, and I agree. See, there your argument already starts to fall apart because you don't even remember what was "common" back then. If you don't know, as presumably a IT professional, how would Joe Blow know?
Actually, until recently it was pretty much possible to say when a PC was made by just looking at the components. In 2004, any machine worth its money was featuring 512Meg RAM, probably 1Gig in the higher end. There is also a thing that is very different compared to cars: upgrading your machine is easy and if you're Joe Blow, you could let it do by your trusted brick & mortar shop. The difference between a 256Meg machine and a 512Meg machine is phenomenal even with the same CPU. Upgrading RAM is something even Joe Blow can do: I walked a non-technical girl once through the process by phone. No harm was done to the machine.
Finally, keep in mind the following: my last desktop machine was build in february 2003. So, let's call it a 2003 AMD. Well I've got news for you, that "2003 AMD" was an AMD Athlon MP 2400+/1Gig RAM.... That was way out of the norm back then.
Yeah, and then people will start replacing their machines because it's "old" even though the computer is in perfectly fine working order and fulfills the needs of the user. Guess, it's time to tell my wife that her 2003 P-IV needs replacing...;-) Preferably with an iMac 2007;-)
I'm not sure about cars, but the first time I heard about year-based car models, was when I talked with North Americans. I've never heard anyone in Europe refer to their car as a 2001 Golf. They'll say I have a Golf 3 (for example) I think that the car makers had a very good marketeer that thought of the year-based car models, because now people are forced to admit how old their car is.
Think about it: when I was a student, I had a 14 year old Audi 80 (Loved that car, by the way) and people often thought it was "just a few years old" ranging from 2 years to 7 years. I just told people that I drove an Audi 80... With the year-based system, I'd have to say: "Yes, I drive a 1989 Audi 80", which would immediately give away how old the car really was.
I say it's marketing brilliance and it's the last thing we want to happen with computer chips.... The naming schemes today are already bad enough. Oh, and to "Joe Home User", you can always say these days "Buy the system on sale, it'll do anything you want". (Don't say this to "Joe Gamer" of course, but he's supposed to know what he needs)
OpenBSD, for example, doesn't include a web browser in the base system.
Whoa, whoa, stop right there! My OpenBSD system doesn't have X11 installed, but it most certainly has a browser with the default packages (from CD) installed:
jorg@mako:~$ uname -a OpenBSD mako.sharks 3.9 GENERIC#1 amd64 jorg@mako:~$ lynx -dump -head http://slashdot.org/ HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:59:07 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.37 (Unix) mod_perl/1.29 SLASH_LOG_DATA: shtml X-Powered-By: Slash 2.005000163 X-Fry: These new hands are great. I'm gonna break them in tonight. Cache-Control: private Pragma: private Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
jorg@mako:~$
lynx is a browser, and I can guarantee you that if you're in deep shit and you don't have another machine handy, it often is enough to find the information you need to get back up and running.
But I agree, it's hard to compare OpenBSD and Vista.... OpenBSD is better;-)
The main problem is that women (most of them at least) do not understand how you can even spend so much time on a *thing*. At least mine has a big problem with that. Also, we computer geeks that prefer to have our machines "to our likings" need much more time to do that than just plug in and go, like most people do.
That said, you can run Linux on your MacBook Pro if you wouldn't like OS X.
Nah, Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Pa1510. It might be technically the same machine (you never know with laptops...), but it was on sale and I needed a new laptop. I'm sure it runs fine, but the sticker said "Capable", which means that to Joe Blow User, there is doubt that it would run. The thing runs Half life 2, so why wouldn't it run Aero?
However, I'm pretty sure that I'll lose speed upon installing Vista compared to XP at least. That's my main gripe with Vista: it requires a lot of hardware for minor features and costs a lot of money.
I also have Ubuntu on it and it works fine. Beryl doesn't work though. Eventually, I'll migrate to Debian. At least that's the plan.
My colour laser is a Ricoh Aficio CL2000. The toner cartridges are clear and I can see how much toner is in there. Also, there are four cartridges: CMYK. Cartridges are also 100, but I haven't needed to replace the colour ones yet. The black one, yes, but I printed a lot of documents and I easily reached the 5000 pages.
I'm happy.... Of course, I didn't buy a Dell printer (also known as rebranded Lexmark)
Well, I have spent 1k€ on a printer too. Mainly because I was a teacher and needed to print out a lot. I didn't want colour, but my wife insisted, and I wanted Postscript and networked because I want it to be easy to setup in Linux and Mac OS X. I stopped being a teacher, so perhaps I wouldn't buy it today.
I do expect that this printer will easily last 10 years. Laser printers should last ages. How long ago was the Laserjet III released? 1990? There are people still using them! That's 17 years! With inkjets you'll never get that lifespan. Our HP Deskjet 500 (which means pre-razorblade business model) lasted for over 5 years. We also had our share dried up cartridges because lack of use. That never happens in a laser.
Now, I'm glad it works for you..... In my opinion, laser wins hands-down. So, yes, if you manage to have the same colour Inkjet printer (assuming 1 cartridge per year, which is let's say very nice of me), then you spent 200€ for the printer and 10x35€ for the cartridges. That's 550€ total. You're better off.... Whatever I paid for my toner. I most certainly will have less hassle over the years, though...
Black and White original HP Deskjet 500... About 500€ and the cartridges were about 10€ (I remember vaguely) and lasted forever. Not only that: the printer was in use for over 5 years. Try doing that with the crap they sell today! My HP Deskjet 320C (A colour portable printer I bought when I was student... ~350€) is still functional, but I've converted to Laser quite a while ago. The Deskjet 500 (which was my dads printer) was also replaced by B&W laser.
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Ricoh doesn't make Inkjets either. A black cartridge is ~50€, and I do 10000 pages with that. The colour ones are ~100€ per colour, so if those run out it hurts a bit more...
That said, I'm very happy with the printer and their service is exemplary.
But the life of an inanimate object isn't quite like that.
It isn't?!? Please clarify.... Everything has a beginning and an end. The rock in your garden, was once a part from a mountain, a mountain that itself began it's life when two tectonic plaques collided, tectonic plaques that formed when earth cooled down, an earth that solidified when the suns accretion disk solified....
Do you want me to go on? Everything, even inanimate objects have a beginning... and an end...
Yes, if you want total security on your system then they'd be scary
We're talking about Theo here.... Total security is what the OpenBSD project aims for.
No, I think we're just old and got so used to the hierarchical organization of files that we don't see the advantages of having to search. Basically, the system keeps a big blob of data for you and you simply ask for it what you want to work on. Organization? Not needed: the big pile of junk is indexed continuously (eating up CPU cycles...)
Personally, I prefer files & folders... but alas, this often goes beyond the comprehension of the basic user. Oh, and personally, I see it as a badge of honour of running as less tools as possible....
Oh, and for the record: I know a girl that is very desirable that is as flat as a ironing board. Of course, I didn't know she was interested in me until I got married ;-)
Why?
I like my sig, and I am a Troll... Oh, and I like breasts... You should see my wifes breasts! Yummie!
You're the first one in *years* to complain. My alter ego (the real me) had way more reactions with the signature "Remember Christine Watkins".
Sorry, I mixed up terms. What I meant is that GSM uses data packets (just like TCP). It is evidently connection oriented, or your calls would end up to sound very weird. My point was that in the end it still are digital packets, not so much unlike TCP.
Of course, each packet has its alloted time, which makes it different from TCP...
My telco classes have been a while, I must admit.
Actually, if you look at it from a purely technical point: right now even normal voice over a GSM phone is data. It's a digital phone, GSM is packet oriented. It sends purely digital data. Just like on ISDN...
The difference is that the "voice" data has strict timing requirements, and some trade-offs were made to accomodate these requirements. Normal data networks have caught up, and that's why VoIP is possible these days.
I had a consulting gig at a big ass bank and I loved the 21" CRT I had there, and I had the desk to go with it ;-) Damn, I wish I was still there, if only for the monitor.
You mean that they ran Vista? ;-)
did they run Linux? ;-)
Science is based, even moreso, on the scientific method, which, sadly, doesn't seem to be taught in schools in the U.S.
I'm European and I got the scientific method in school. There is stuff I consider "basic high school" knowledge like basic calculus, basic physics (including a notion of General Relativity), just to give you an idea. I do now realize, that I was heavily biased by my "choices" in school. I went for maths/physics/chemistry. Why did I realize? Because, I'm married to a woman that is practically the perfect opposite of me. Studied arts. For her it is unfathomable that you don't know who Gustav Klimt is, but has absolutely no notion of the scientific method. (For the record, I did not know who Gustav Klimt was when I met her...)
I know this because a while ago, creationism came up and it made sense to her that "there had to be a creator". To someone with a non-scientific background, creationism makes sense.... She also believes a whole lot of things I call bollocks, and I turn my eyes....
She probably thinks the same of me when I can't appreciate some painting or music ;-)
In summary, even in Europe, the scientific method is probably only stressed on in scientific branches of education. On slashdot we are extremely biased to those... (My dad and mom are petty much nerds too, so, I wasn't used to anything else)
I think you haven't understood what he meant... He said it isn't possible to destroy matter or energy, in the sense that you cannot destroy either one without getting the other one. You, see: E=mc^2 tells us that matter *is* energy, and nothing more. As my physics teacher said "matter is a condensed form of energy". So, yes, you can "destroy matter", but you get energy, and inversely you can "destroy energy" but you get matter. However, since matter is energy, you didn't "destroy", you "converted".
If you could destroy matter, you could make my cup of coffee vanish without me being burnt up by a thermonuclear reaction. If you can do that, then you have truly destroyed matter and I will be wondering where my cup of coffee is instead being just ashes.
Give me a 1600x1200 21"CRT anyday over this piece of shit laptop display (1280x800) I'm typing on right now. My employer isn't cheap on computers, but somehow I ended up with a laptop with the lowest possible resolution.
Yes, I know the difference between the PR rating and the actual GHz of an AMD chip. That said, I was mostly complaining about the rest of the configuration: if I could build a machine for 500 myself with 512Meg and a 80Gig harddisk, which means it was a low-end machine, then a mid-end (what most people buy) machine bought in a store would at least have 512Meg RAM and a disk of at least 80Gig, if not more. A very low end machine in the store might have had 256Meg RAM, but a 256Meg RAM machine with Windows SP2 is unbearable. (Yes, SP2 was out by then...) My wifes machine, bought in 2003 (and high end at that time) was a P-IV 2.6HT/512Meg RAM/120Gig harddisk. That was about a year before I built that machine for my sister!
Sure, the CPU GHz rating was a good estimate, but keep in mind that the GHz rating hasn't been growing in the last few years...
Uhm? I don't understand. Did you use html-tags to illustrate something, because in that case (for someone that is part of the slashdot crowd and knows the difference between html and plaintext), you should use html entities. No, really, they are very nifty to actually display greater than and lower than signs. Try this the following time > for >, and < for <
And as for the "modded naked PC", there is weird stuff out there...
At least when you buy a used car, even a non-mechanic can figure out that a 2001 Ford Focus is a piece of shit...
Why? Because it's a Ford, or because that it's 6 years old? I mean I drive a 7 year old Audi TT now... (Yes, you USies would call it a 2000 Audi TT, and that's the year I bought it.) I don't think it's a piece of shit and I'm most definitely not going to sell it.
If people advertised their PC as a "2004 AMD" then you could derive that it's between 1.6 and 2.4ghz, probably has 256mb of ram and a 40gh hard drive.
A 2004 AMD with those specs? I built in April 2004, an AMD Athlon XP 2600+/512Meg RAM/80Gig HD for my sister. The challenge for me was "if I manage to put together a PC for 500€ or less, you'll get it as a gift from me". She got it as a gift, just that you know. Yes, she still uses it to this day.
Say, a 2001 AMD, and I agree. See, there your argument already starts to fall apart because you don't even remember what was "common" back then. If you don't know, as presumably a IT professional, how would Joe Blow know?
Actually, until recently it was pretty much possible to say when a PC was made by just looking at the components. In 2004, any machine worth its money was featuring 512Meg RAM, probably 1Gig in the higher end. There is also a thing that is very different compared to cars: upgrading your machine is easy and if you're Joe Blow, you could let it do by your trusted brick & mortar shop. The difference between a 256Meg machine and a 512Meg machine is phenomenal even with the same CPU. Upgrading RAM is something even Joe Blow can do: I walked a non-technical girl once through the process by phone. No harm was done to the machine.
Finally, keep in mind the following: my last desktop machine was build in february 2003. So, let's call it a 2003 AMD. Well I've got news for you, that "2003 AMD" was an AMD Athlon MP 2400+/1Gig RAM.... That was way out of the norm back then.
Yeah, and then people will start replacing their machines because it's "old" even though the computer is in perfectly fine working order and fulfills the needs of the user. Guess, it's time to tell my wife that her 2003 P-IV needs replacing... ;-) Preferably with an iMac 2007 ;-)
I'm not sure about cars, but the first time I heard about year-based car models, was when I talked with North Americans. I've never heard anyone in Europe refer to their car as a 2001 Golf. They'll say I have a Golf 3 (for example) I think that the car makers had a very good marketeer that thought of the year-based car models, because now people are forced to admit how old their car is.
Think about it: when I was a student, I had a 14 year old Audi 80 (Loved that car, by the way) and people often thought it was "just a few years old" ranging from 2 years to 7 years. I just told people that I drove an Audi 80... With the year-based system, I'd have to say: "Yes, I drive a 1989 Audi 80", which would immediately give away how old the car really was.
I say it's marketing brilliance and it's the last thing we want to happen with computer chips.... The naming schemes today are already bad enough. Oh, and to "Joe Home User", you can always say these days "Buy the system on sale, it'll do anything you want". (Don't say this to "Joe Gamer" of course, but he's supposed to know what he needs)
It's "smoke and mirrors", not "dust and mirrors".
OpenBSD, for example, doesn't include a web browser in the base system.
Whoa, whoa, stop right there! My OpenBSD system doesn't have X11 installed, but it most certainly has a browser with the default packages (from CD) installed:
lynx is a browser, and I can guarantee you that if you're in deep shit and you don't have another machine handy, it often is enough to find the information you need to get back up and running.
But I agree, it's hard to compare OpenBSD and Vista.... OpenBSD is better ;-)
The main problem is that women (most of them at least) do not understand how you can even spend so much time on a *thing*. At least mine has a big problem with that. Also, we computer geeks that prefer to have our machines "to our likings" need much more time to do that than just plug in and go, like most people do.
That said, you can run Linux on your MacBook Pro if you wouldn't like OS X.
Nah, Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Pa1510. It might be technically the same machine (you never know with laptops...), but it was on sale and I needed a new laptop. I'm sure it runs fine, but the sticker said "Capable", which means that to Joe Blow User, there is doubt that it would run. The thing runs Half life 2, so why wouldn't it run Aero?
However, I'm pretty sure that I'll lose speed upon installing Vista compared to XP at least. That's my main gripe with Vista: it requires a lot of hardware for minor features and costs a lot of money.
I also have Ubuntu on it and it works fine. Beryl doesn't work though. Eventually, I'll migrate to Debian. At least that's the plan.
My colour laser is a Ricoh Aficio CL2000. The toner cartridges are clear and I can see how much toner is in there. Also, there are four cartridges: CMYK. Cartridges are also 100, but I haven't needed to replace the colour ones yet. The black one, yes, but I printed a lot of documents and I easily reached the 5000 pages.
I'm happy.... Of course, I didn't buy a Dell printer (also known as rebranded Lexmark)
Well, I have spent 1k€ on a printer too. Mainly because I was a teacher and needed to print out a lot. I didn't want colour, but my wife insisted, and I wanted Postscript and networked because I want it to be easy to setup in Linux and Mac OS X. I stopped being a teacher, so perhaps I wouldn't buy it today.
I do expect that this printer will easily last 10 years. Laser printers should last ages. How long ago was the Laserjet III released? 1990? There are people still using them! That's 17 years! With inkjets you'll never get that lifespan. Our HP Deskjet 500 (which means pre-razorblade business model) lasted for over 5 years. We also had our share dried up cartridges because lack of use. That never happens in a laser.
Now, I'm glad it works for you..... In my opinion, laser wins hands-down. So, yes, if you manage to have the same colour Inkjet printer (assuming 1 cartridge per year, which is let's say very nice of me), then you spent 200€ for the printer and 10x35€ for the cartridges. That's 550€ total. You're better off.... Whatever I paid for my toner. I most certainly will have less hassle over the years, though...
Black and White original HP Deskjet 500... About 500€ and the cartridges were about 10€ (I remember vaguely) and lasted forever. Not only that: the printer was in use for over 5 years. Try doing that with the crap they sell today! My HP Deskjet 320C (A colour portable printer I bought when I was student... ~350€) is still functional, but I've converted to Laser quite a while ago. The Deskjet 500 (which was my dads printer) was also replaced by B&W laser.