"While I'm not condradicting you, I'd really like a list of things that are falsified. I've heard things are twisted, but I don't know of the purely falsified, outright lies."
If you're in college, you're not poor. If you have the money (or can obtain the money) for a postsecondary education, you are not poor. Just because you dont have the money doesnt mean someone else isnt spending on your behalf.
"making around $10k/year, quite below the poverty line"
and you dont get any scholarships or grants whatsoever? add all that in there too.
"Furthermore, we don't live in a capitalist state, rather something else for which I've not the word"
Once you are out of college, and have had a few years in the private sector, let me know what you think about your statement.
"Middle-class Chinese folks have a place to live, where the poorest in the US does not."
I was homeless for about a year. Still had plenty of food and shelter. Many of the homeless people I knew had cellphones and other non-essentials. I still maintain the homeless here have it better off than the middle class in oh, say North Korea.
"Taxes pay for bad things, taxes pay for good things. I oppose the former and support the latter. Too many people are patriotic right up until you ask them to put their money where their mouth is."
awwwwww, how nice... but insightful?
I dont have a problem paying for taxes either. But what should the tax rate be? (%100 = communism, btw). and what should those taxes go towards? right now I think taxes are high enough. the founders of this country were considering putting a cap at 8% for federal taxes, but didn't, because they thought it would never get that high anyways. oops.
when you put money into the hands of the people that create it in the first place, they usually make the best spending decisions.
if rates are very high and you cut them, here is what happens: lower taxes = better economy, cause people have more money to spend on goods and services = more jobs = MORE TAX REVENUE. More taxpayers and more tax income, because of more jobs and better paying jobs).
That is not true if the tax rate is already very low, but it really isnt in our case, compared to the history of the US.
again, I have no problem paying taxes, but look at it logically instead of emotionally. should taxes ALWAYS be higher? are tax cuts ALWAYS bad? if you ALWAYS raise taxes and NEVER cut taxes, sooner or later you will have communism, which is basically a 100% tax rate. and we have seen how that works out... The POOREST in a capitalist state like ours are still much better off than the middle class in china.
i think the problem is that if the indy record label does that, then they are locked out of major distribution channels. cause if a major distribution channel supported the indy stuff, the riaa could cut them off from their stuff.
sort of like the tactics MS uses to prevent major computer manufacturors from giving away linux pre-installed...
sucks you got modded down for that. now im gonna get modded down too, but I hafta know.
is that really a child porn site? im too much of a wimp to click on it to find out. my brain has already been fried from the likes of tubgirl and goatse man, i dont need another unforgettable evil image.
the reason i ask is that i cant believe there is a child porn site operating with a real DNS name. a little whois and tracert action shows the offending server is in france. so how in the hell are they operating without being arrested? are there any french authorities that could be told about this?
in the US, if your car is going down the freeway and your brakes fail because you didnt do routine maintenance, you end up crashing and killing someone, you are at fault.
on the other hand, if someone cuts your brake lines, you crash and kill someone, you are not at fault.
I would think that viruses and trojans and worms and such would fall more under the 'someone cuts your brake lines' category.
I am aware Hitler had 'elections'. I am also aware Saddam had 'elections'. I wouldnt really call either of them elections in the sense that I know the word. How about you?
I think our elections in America are reasonably fair, at least as fair as an any other country on the planet.
>You're making the grand mistake of thinking you can simply compare the current perspective on Nazi Germany after half a century of historical analysis to what is going on right now
You do have a point about that.
but...
Bush could not be a dictator no matter how much he wants to be. Congress can impeach him, voters can vote him out.
If you believe that Bush (and company) could singlehandedly win an election if oh, say, 65% of the populace was against him, then thats a little too bit much tinfoil hat for me. Our system cannot be that corrupt, not with all the free press and media and watchdogs. Even if Bush managed to pull off some crazy scheme to win the election underhandedly, he's out in 2008 anyways. Hardly dictator for life. (oh yeah, only president to serve 3 terms, my old buddy FDR)
Outside of that, I doubt Bush could pull off a move like Lincoln and suspend congress along with a whole bunch of other stuff, making him a de facto dictator for a short time...
>Because when you have War on Germany, Germany can surrender and thus end the war. When you have War on Terrorism, "Terrorism" can't surrender. It is a war that will last as long as those waging it want it to last.
Wrong. The war on terrorism ends when you no longer have organized groups of people purposely targeting innocent women and children. All wars end with one side causing the other side to not want to fight anymore. I dont see any reason we cant do that to terrorists.
I dont like the patriot act either. we agree on something.
almost nice response. I appreciate what you have to say, I think I am learning some things. I enjoy our discourse and would like to know what you have to say about the above...
with that in mind, there is one paragraph I didnt appreciate...
>This is really getting irritating. Yep >I try to not be arrogant or condescending A sentance like that followed by the word 'but' does not mean much >but you end up just making a mockery of yourself. okay if you say so >Every time you say "I don't remember" it really is you not remembering. Or just not knowing. Either way makes for the same end result. >Either you're lying about those history courses, or it just simply didn't stick. Its been a while but im pretty sure I know quite a bit. You might know more about some stuff. I might know more about other stuff. I do my best to not be arrogant. I dont always succeed, but its good to try. Why? No matter how much I know about anything, there are always thousands of people that know far more than I. I would like it if people that knew more than I about something would not be condescending and instead share their knowledge. And so I attempt to act the same to those that know less than I do about a given subject. >You know, I took a course in organic chemistry once. Don't remember a lick of it, which is why I refrain from taking any strong stance in a discussion on the subject. Because that would make me look like a fool and a pompous ass. Which I would be. Sigh. Name calling? Im just going to ignore it because I would like to know what you have to say about what I have said above the not-so-nice paragraph. But in the future, unless you are absolutely so enraged that you cannot refrain....
and finally,
>And you've still not at all answered my question. My question was: " Of all the substantial parallels I listed between the rise of the Nazis and current events, why do you disagree that they are indicative of similar patterns?
Because Hitler was an absolute dictator with complete power over the military, police, industry, and everything else. Bush could not, will not, and can not have that kind of power no matter how bad he might want it, for reasons I stated above.
>What's so new and great about this? You want a quiet and cool pc? Turn it off.
and your nickname is CodeHog? How do you code without having your pc on?
some of us geeks sit in rooms with 10+ running computers as I am right now. it can be noisy... yeah I can certainly put up with it, but if given a choice, I would certainly go with the quieter computers....
>So now I have a question for you: Of all the substantial parallels I listed between the rise of the Nazis and current events, why do you disagree that they are indicative of similar patterns?
okay then. I will do my best to not be arrogant and condescending. its not much fun anyways.
Why do I think our current events do not parallel that of Nazi Germany?
1. Brown shirted thugs are not patrolling the streets assaulting those that disagree with the government. Before the 'war' we had with Iraq, I saw plenty of people protesting against the war. Nobody was attacking them government or otherwise. When our freedom of political speech gets taken away, then maybe you have a point (I suppose Campaign Finance Reform counts, but Bush has had 0.0 to do with that so far).... However right now as it stands, you can oppose your government (in speech) all you want and nothing will happen to you. Couldnt do this when Hitler took power.
2. There is going to be an election in 2004. I dont want to discuss the events surrounding the election in 2000, it was very very close, lets just leave it at that. I think both parties were probably cheating their asses off. So it still remains that if enough people want Bush out of office, it will happen in 2004. I dont think with all the cheating they dare to do it amounts to anything in the end, except for in a very very very close race as we had last time. A fluke. I dont remember Hitler holding any elections.
3. One of Hitler's first orders of business was to nationalize the economy. Bush's tax cuts are in effect the opposite of that.
4. Death camps
and so on. Im sure I could come up with some more major ideological differences between our country and Nazi Germany... but I have to get back to work.
Good day.
And if you would like to tell me how the US country is being more like Nazi germany every day, feel free. Keeping in mind in every past war we have had individual rights restricted in various ways. Why is now worse?
Wow. You are so correct. Your arrogant condescending post really showed me my ignorant ways.
How could I have missed it? Bush really is just like Hitler, maybe worse!
Despite the fact that you are making some assumptions that clearly arent true... I am not a product of the US public school system. I have taken plenty of college history courses, and still read historical stuff for enjoyment... oh and Im hardly a Republican myself....
But you are correct in condescending. I dont know how I missed that Bush is just like Hitler. Guess I am just ignorant. Still, if someone as educated and learned as yourself could enlighten me on just one point: Please explain to me how anything Bush is doing is any worse than anything FDR did. I eagerly await your response.
>World War II should be the perfect example of how those in power can use propaganda and fear to control their populace and turn what was a Democracy into a Dictatorship and why it's bad to let that happen.
How is our democracy turning into a dictatorship? Im pretty sure both you and I have the option to vote for whomever we want in the next election. Nobody is forcing you to vote for one candidate or the other under any sort of threat.
And you missed my point. Im not saying 'well its worse over there'. Im saying that the comparison between Bush and Hitler is flat out wrong. Bush does not have gangs of thugs roaming the streets attacking those that differ in opinion. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Jong-Il, Pol-Pot, Saddam, etc rule(d) their populations through FEAR. Are you living in fear of your government right now? Im not. If you are, then why? Were family members 'disappeared'? So some 100 or so people are being held without being given access to lawyers or some stuff like that. Remember WW2? Did you learn the part about how we locked up many, many American citizens of German, Italian, and Japanese descent for absolutely no reason?
Did that make us turn into a dictatorship?
Im guessing your real problem is that it is a Republican in office. Or else you (logically) have to think that FDR was much worse than Bush in the 'dictator' department. Bush hasnt done one tenth of what FDR did, as far as the 'big brother' shit goes.
>So why is that when a mere fifty years ago our friend Europe lost 40 million of its people we look and say "Never could happen to us!"
yeah I forgot all about the part where poland flew a few planes into downtown berlin and killed thousands of people and the part where france was sending anthrax to german politians in the mail. We were provoked. Germany wasnt (unless you count the treaty of Versailles but thats a whole different debate).
It really disgusts me all these people drawing parallels to Nazi germany. The situations are completely different. Oh and if Bush can be equated to Hitler, then what does that make FDR? oops, FDR was a Democrat, better not badmouth him.
Really. If FDR can lock up tens of thousands for no reason, and Bush only locks up a few hundred or so (with a greatly larger population), which one is worse? Which one is more of a fascist? Which one is more like Hitler?
This is interesting/insightful? you must be on crack. Hitler killed 6 million jews under his ethnic clensing program.
So you dont like the current administration. fine. But to say that our current administration makes Nazi Germany look sane. You really need to get some perspective, buddy. and
>(sorry about breaking into your house, tapping your phone, seizing your property, and arresting you without a warrant, but Bob's girlfriend's roommate's secretary said you were a terrorist)
Really? Has such a thing happened to you? Has such a thing happened to anyone you know? again, grow up and get some perspective. You think this is like living in nazi germany? Go live in north korea (yes, I have friends from there). I think that would give you some idea of what a fascist dictatorship is, and maybe you would realize your country is not so bad after all.
but type in 'goatse' into google, and the first hit is a page that shows the evilnasty picture. Here is the return from the google search. Dont click on the top link unless you are a sick pervert.
Slashdot Mirror
"While I'm not condradicting you, I'd really like a list of things that are falsified. I've heard things are twisted, but I don't know of the purely falsified, outright lies."
here you go
judging by this story, I would say the largest citywide wi-fi deployment would be Los Angeles.
they are suffering the slashdot effect
posting 2 sco stories every day... seems more effective than any hacker attack.
"even though I'm a poor college kid"
/year, quite below the poverty line"
If you're in college, you're not poor. If you have the money (or can obtain the money) for a postsecondary education, you are not poor. Just because you dont have the money doesnt mean someone else isnt spending on your behalf.
"making around $10k
and you dont get any scholarships or grants whatsoever? add all that in there too.
"Furthermore, we don't live in a capitalist state, rather something else for which I've not the word"
Once you are out of college, and have had a few years in the private sector, let me know what you think about your statement.
"Middle-class Chinese folks have a place to live, where the poorest in the US does not."
I was homeless for about a year. Still had plenty of food and shelter. Many of the homeless people I knew had cellphones and other non-essentials. I still maintain the homeless here have it better off than the middle class in oh, say North Korea.
"Taxes pay for bad things, taxes pay for good things. I oppose the former and support the latter. Too many people are patriotic right up until you ask them to put their money where their mouth is."
awwwwww, how nice... but insightful?
I dont have a problem paying for taxes either. But what should the tax rate be? (%100 = communism, btw). and what should those taxes go towards? right now I think taxes are high enough. the founders of this country were considering putting a cap at 8% for federal taxes, but didn't, because they thought it would never get that high anyways. oops.
when you put money into the hands of the people that create it in the first place, they usually make the best spending decisions.
if rates are very high and you cut them, here is what happens: lower taxes = better economy, cause people have more money to spend on goods and services = more jobs = MORE TAX REVENUE. More taxpayers and more tax income, because of more jobs and better paying jobs).
That is not true if the tax rate is already very low, but it really isnt in our case, compared to the history of the US.
again, I have no problem paying taxes, but look at it logically instead of emotionally. should taxes ALWAYS be higher? are tax cuts ALWAYS bad? if you ALWAYS raise taxes and NEVER cut taxes, sooner or later you will have communism, which is basically a 100% tax rate. and we have seen how that works out... The POOREST in a capitalist state like ours are still much better off than the middle class in china.
sheesh.
>the EU has agreed to use transmission frequencies that could be easily disturbed or completely jammed by the US military
if they wanted, wouldnt the US military be able to jam them pretty easily no matter what frequencies they used?
hey paul wilkins... i see they have FIXED their caption. thats not what it originally said...
"you may need to take some reading comprehension"
but thanks for being a condescending ass about it!
does this article mean that all those trolls were... (dramatic pause) wrong?!?!?!?
the caption below the photo says "Elin Oxenhielm pointing to the second part of Hilbert's 16th problem on her web page"
looks like a chalkboard to me...
oh well.
i think the problem is that if the indy record label does that, then they are locked out of major distribution channels. cause if a major distribution channel supported the indy stuff, the riaa could cut them off from their stuff.
sort of like the tactics MS uses to prevent major computer manufacturors from giving away linux pre-installed...
ah yes, back when viruses were REAL viruses... I would say Michaelangelo was the first virus that got any media attention...
but even before that I had the pleasure of meeting the likes of 'Stoned' and 'Jerusalem'
ah memories...
Oh, and don't bother calling 911 any more...here's the real number (hands over a card with "912")
sucks you got modded down for that. now im gonna get modded down too, but I hafta know.
is that really a child porn site? im too much of a wimp to click on it to find out. my brain has already been fried from the likes of tubgirl and goatse man, i dont need another unforgettable evil image.
the reason i ask is that i cant believe there is a child porn site operating with a real DNS name. a little whois and tracert action shows the offending server is in france. so how in the hell are they operating without being arrested? are there any french authorities that could be told about this?
damn perverts.
in the US, if your car is going down the freeway and your brakes fail because you didnt do routine maintenance, you end up crashing and killing someone, you are at fault.
on the other hand, if someone cuts your brake lines, you crash and kill someone, you are not at fault.
I would think that viruses and trojans and worms and such would fall more under the 'someone cuts your brake lines' category.
"Ballmer Touts Focus on Security"
pictures Ballmer's infamous monkey dance.... *security!* *security!* *security!*
Free Firewall (better than zonealarm)
Free Virus Checker, seems to do pretty well
For all your other free needs
"New Anti-Swap CD's Hit Shelves"
and thats where they will probably stay....
I am aware Hitler had 'elections'. I am also aware Saddam had 'elections'. I wouldnt really call either of them elections in the sense that I know the word. How about you?
I think our elections in America are reasonably fair, at least as fair as an any other country on the planet.
>You're making the grand mistake of thinking you can simply compare the current perspective on Nazi Germany after half a century of historical analysis to what is going on right now
You do have a point about that.
but...
Bush could not be a dictator no matter how much he wants to be. Congress can impeach him, voters can vote him out.
If you believe that Bush (and company) could singlehandedly win an election if oh, say, 65% of the populace was against him, then thats a little too bit much tinfoil hat for me. Our system cannot be that corrupt, not with all the free press and media and watchdogs. Even if Bush managed to pull off some crazy scheme to win the election underhandedly, he's out in 2008 anyways. Hardly dictator for life. (oh yeah, only president to serve 3 terms, my old buddy FDR)
Outside of that, I doubt Bush could pull off a move like Lincoln and suspend congress along with a whole bunch of other stuff, making him a de facto dictator for a short time...
>Because when you have War on Germany, Germany can surrender and thus end the war. When you have War on Terrorism, "Terrorism" can't surrender. It is a war that will last as long as those waging it want it to last.
Wrong. The war on terrorism ends when you no longer have organized groups of people purposely targeting innocent women and children. All wars end with one side causing the other side to not want to fight anymore. I dont see any reason we cant do that to terrorists.
I dont like the patriot act either. we agree on something.
almost nice response. I appreciate what you have to say, I think I am learning some things. I enjoy our discourse and would like to know what you have to say about the above...
with that in mind, there is one paragraph I didnt appreciate...
>This is really getting irritating.
Yep
>I try to not be arrogant or condescending
A sentance like that followed by the word 'but' does not mean much
>but you end up just making a mockery of yourself.
okay if you say so
>Every time you say "I don't remember" it really is you not remembering. Or just not knowing.
Either way makes for the same end result.
>Either you're lying about those history courses, or it just simply didn't stick.
Its been a while but im pretty sure I know quite a bit. You might know more about some stuff. I might know more about other stuff. I do my best to not be arrogant. I dont always succeed, but its good to try. Why? No matter how much I know about anything, there are always thousands of people that know far more than I. I would like it if people that knew more than I about something would not be condescending and instead share their knowledge. And so I attempt to act the same to those that know less than I do about a given subject.
>You know, I took a course in organic chemistry once. Don't remember a lick of it, which is why I refrain from taking any strong stance in a discussion on the subject. Because that would make me look like a fool and a pompous ass. Which I would be.
Sigh. Name calling? Im just going to ignore it because I would like to know what you have to say about what I have said above the not-so-nice paragraph. But in the future, unless you are absolutely so enraged that you cannot refrain....
and finally,
>And you've still not at all answered my question. My question was: " Of all the substantial parallels I listed between the rise of the Nazis and current events, why do you disagree that they are indicative of similar patterns?
Because Hitler was an absolute dictator with complete power over the military, police, industry, and everything else.
Bush could not, will not, and can not have that kind of power no matter how bad he might want it, for reasons I stated above.
Cheers.
>What's so new and great about this? You want a quiet and cool pc? Turn it off.
and your nickname is CodeHog? How do you code without having your pc on?
some of us geeks sit in rooms with 10+ running computers as I am right now. it can be noisy... yeah I can certainly put up with it, but if given a choice, I would certainly go with the quieter computers....
>So now I have a question for you: Of all the substantial parallels I listed between the rise of the Nazis and current events, why do you disagree that they are indicative of similar patterns?
okay then. I will do my best to not be arrogant and condescending. its not much fun anyways.
Why do I think our current events do not parallel that of Nazi Germany?
1. Brown shirted thugs are not patrolling the streets assaulting those that disagree with the government. Before the 'war' we had with Iraq, I saw plenty of people protesting against the war. Nobody was attacking them government or otherwise. When our freedom of political speech gets taken away, then maybe you have a point (I suppose Campaign Finance Reform counts, but Bush has had 0.0 to do with that so far).... However right now as it stands, you can oppose your government (in speech) all you want and nothing will happen to you. Couldnt do this when Hitler took power.
2. There is going to be an election in 2004. I dont want to discuss the events surrounding the election in 2000, it was very very close, lets just leave it at that. I think both parties were probably cheating their asses off. So it still remains that if enough people want Bush out of office, it will happen in 2004. I dont think with all the cheating they dare to do it amounts to anything in the end, except for in a very very very close race as we had last time. A fluke. I dont remember Hitler holding any elections.
3. One of Hitler's first orders of business was to nationalize the economy. Bush's tax cuts are in effect the opposite of that.
4. Death camps
and so on. Im sure I could come up with some more major ideological differences between our country and Nazi Germany... but I have to get back to work.
Good day.
And if you would like to tell me how the US country is being more like Nazi germany every day, feel free. Keeping in mind in every past war we have had individual rights restricted in various ways. Why is now worse?
Are you sure he did not mean 'ecky ecky pikang zoom boing mumble mumble'?
Wow. You are so correct. Your arrogant condescending post really showed me my ignorant ways.
How could I have missed it? Bush really is just like Hitler, maybe worse!
Despite the fact that you are making some assumptions that clearly arent true... I am not a product of the US public school system. I have taken plenty of college history courses, and still read historical stuff for enjoyment... oh and Im hardly a Republican myself....
But you are correct in condescending. I dont know how I missed that Bush is just like Hitler. Guess I am just ignorant. Still, if someone as educated and learned as yourself could enlighten me on just one point: Please explain to me how anything Bush is doing is any worse than anything FDR did. I eagerly await your response.
Thank you and have a nice day.
>World War II should be the perfect example of how those in power can use propaganda and fear to control their populace and turn what was a Democracy into a Dictatorship and why it's bad to let that happen.
How is our democracy turning into a dictatorship? Im pretty sure both you and I have the option to vote for whomever we want in the next election. Nobody is forcing you to vote for one candidate or the other under any sort of threat.
And you missed my point. Im not saying 'well its worse over there'. Im saying that the comparison between Bush and Hitler is flat out wrong. Bush does not have gangs of thugs roaming the streets attacking those that differ in opinion. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Jong-Il, Pol-Pot, Saddam, etc rule(d) their populations through FEAR. Are you living in fear of your government right now? Im not. If you are, then why? Were family members 'disappeared'? So some 100 or so people are being held without being given access to lawyers or some stuff like that. Remember WW2? Did you learn the part about how we locked up many, many American citizens of German, Italian, and Japanese descent for absolutely no reason?
Did that make us turn into a dictatorship?
Im guessing your real problem is that it is a Republican in office. Or else you (logically) have to think that FDR was much worse than Bush in the 'dictator' department. Bush hasnt done one tenth of what FDR did, as far as the 'big brother' shit goes.
>So why is that when a mere fifty years ago our friend Europe lost 40 million of its people we look and say "Never could happen to us!"
yeah I forgot all about the part where poland flew a few planes into downtown berlin and killed thousands of people and the part where france was sending anthrax to german politians in the mail. We were provoked. Germany wasnt (unless you count the treaty of Versailles but thats a whole different debate).
It really disgusts me all these people drawing parallels to Nazi germany. The situations are completely different. Oh and if Bush can be equated to Hitler, then what does that make FDR? oops, FDR was a Democrat, better not badmouth him.
Really. If FDR can lock up tens of thousands for no reason, and Bush only locks up a few hundred or so (with a greatly larger population), which one is worse? Which one is more of a fascist? Which one is more like Hitler?
Thank you.
>This makes Nazi Germany seem sane by comparison.
This is interesting/insightful? you must be on crack. Hitler killed 6 million jews under his ethnic clensing program.
So you dont like the current administration. fine. But to say that our current administration makes Nazi Germany look sane. You really need to get some perspective, buddy. and
>(sorry about breaking into your house, tapping your phone, seizing your property, and arresting you without a warrant, but Bob's girlfriend's roommate's secretary said you were a terrorist)
Really? Has such a thing happened to you? Has such a thing happened to anyone you know? again, grow up and get some perspective. You think this is like living in nazi germany? Go live in north korea (yes, I have friends from there). I think that would give you some idea of what a fascist dictatorship is, and maybe you would realize your country is not so bad after all.
All those sites have been censored by google....
but type in 'goatse' into google, and the first hit is a page that shows the evilnasty picture. Here is the return from the google search. Dont click on the top link unless you are a sick pervert.
Kazaalite needs to be censored when THIS FILTH is on the net?!?!??! (not a direct link, only a google search)
get some perspective, people!