Oh, no it was horrible. I remember getting dropped calls about every 5 minutes when trying to call home. That was a couple years before the first iPhone hit San Francisco.
It's going to TMobile... again. I think that'll limit uptake quite a bit. The HTC Magic uses the same processor and a bit less storage. Where's the beef?
I like that it has a real keyboard but I have strong reservations about giving all my account details away. Plus, I like that the services are separate. It solves the whole Mom-saw-my-drunken-photo problem.
Because porting C is quick and easy right? Just recompile your winmo app for the iPhone and you're good?
You are way, way off the reservation.
It's mobile. They all have their different APIs and quirks. Java doesn't change that. It sounds like you're not a Java fan, which is fine, but to say the lack of native app building is holding back the platform is a real stretch.
You know, after re-reading this, I think you may be confusing Android and Palm Pre. The Pre's apps are html/js. Android does have an SDK for building "native" apps (that you download and install).
As far as Android is concerned, native pretty much means the Dalvik interpreter.
[..] Apple got rid of that 'web applications only' mantra.
Rumor was they were supposed to get something called the Lancaster in August. Last I had heard, ATT rejected it (something about the phone not having a "standard" ATT experience).
The Lancaster wasn't exciting anyhow though, I didn't wait for it either.
I've seen a couple... But you've got to remember the iPhone has been out for 3(?) years longer than any Android device. And I'll admit the G1, which I loved, wasn't great hardware to open the game with. It was simply the first to market.
By the way, the free SDK download for Android includes an fully featured emulator that you can use to check your sites with. It beats following people around asking what phone they have.:-)
You forgot: push gmail and gchat. Compatible with $anyos over usb so it doesn't require iTunes and Windows or Mac computer. Over the air synchronization to your Google account, and also works with Apps for Domains. (Think MobileMe that doesn't suck, for free.) Built-in Google Gears on the browser. Apps that can run in the background.
And my personal favorite: the back button that works everywhere. It's killer.
What's wrong with the browser? They're both based on webkit. They both do about the same. The only real differences I can think of is the Android browser has Gears built-in and displays text at a reasonable size by default (where the iPhone leaves the page zoomed out).
What about, "I've paid for OEM Windows, but it's not installed on any of my 12 boxen. And now they want me to buy a full version just so I can run it in virtualbox."
Bah, then they should charge more for the Linux support. Simple. I would never call it, but I sure wouldn't mind if their prices were a bit higher to cover the unavoidable cost of supporting another OS. Or not offer software support at all, whatever.
The reason people smell conspiracy is the sudden drop of all Linux, anywhere, as soon as Microsoft reacted to the growing Linux use. They didn't take the netbook market seriously at first, but then overnight you couldn't buy a Linux netbook at a brick and mortar store if you wanted to. That's the conspiracy.
You can't tell me it's economics. There are plenty of ways they could have made money hands over fist. Instead, they let Microsoft kill the whole category.
Sorry, I missed your comment. It's usable but the layout is a little off and the click/paging doesn't work.
You can always grab the emulator from the sdk on android.com to see how it'd look on the phone if you don't have one. A couple tweeks here and there and I suspect it'd be fine.
Hmm... because unlike Gnome or KDE, Microsoft has single-handedly held back web development progress for at least a decade? Gnome and KDE don't have that kind of influence.
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Agreed. The battery issue is vastly overblown.
My original one lasted a couple days with regular use, talking all my push gmail, gtalk and everything else.
That's not that bad. I eventually bought a third party upgrade battery for it and it lasted 3-4 days. That would be nice to do on the iPhone.
Oh, no it was horrible. I remember getting dropped calls about every 5 minutes when trying to call home. That was a couple years before the first iPhone hit San Francisco.
Uhm, Sprint is getting the HTC Hero (also Android) which is comparable to this Motorola model.
It's going to TMobile... again. I think that'll limit uptake quite a bit. The HTC Magic uses the same processor and a bit less storage. Where's the beef?
I like that it has a real keyboard but I have strong reservations about giving all my account details away. Plus, I like that the services are separate. It solves the whole Mom-saw-my-drunken-photo problem.
I'm underwhelmed by this announcement...
Lets ask ourselves how many governments around the world don't want the Internet to be more democratic.
Can't burn an ebook?
Maybe it'll be relevant when they post it again tomorrow.
Bah. My Android is fast and capable. Google sky map is pretty awesome, as are a several games I have. You should try it out before you dismiss it.
Typed on my HTC Magic.
Because porting C is quick and easy right? Just recompile your winmo app for the iPhone and you're good?
You are way, way off the reservation.
It's mobile. They all have their different APIs and quirks. Java doesn't change that. It sounds like you're not a Java fan, which is fine, but to say the lack of native app building is holding back the platform is a real stretch.
As far as Android is concerned, native pretty much means the Dalvik interpreter.
[..] Apple got rid of that 'web applications only' mantra.
Android has no such mantra.
$2 million. Why, you offering?
What else do you want? NDK allows you to escape Java and write performance sensitive code in native land.
You can't write the whole app in native code, from the look of it, but why would you want to?
After decades of esoteric and difficult mobile development, only a glutton for punishment would ask for it back.
Depends who you get it from. My Rogers Magic came with QuikOffice and Exchange/Active Sync.
Rumor was they were supposed to get something called the Lancaster in August. Last I had heard, ATT rejected it (something about the phone not having a "standard" ATT experience). The Lancaster wasn't exciting anyhow though, I didn't wait for it either.
I've seen a couple... But you've got to remember the iPhone has been out for 3(?) years longer than any Android device. And I'll admit the G1, which I loved, wasn't great hardware to open the game with. It was simply the first to market.
:-)
By the way, the free SDK download for Android includes an fully featured emulator that you can use to check your sites with. It beats following people around asking what phone they have.
You forgot: push gmail and gchat. Compatible with $anyos over usb so it doesn't require iTunes and Windows or Mac computer. Over the air synchronization to your Google account, and also works with Apps for Domains. (Think MobileMe that doesn't suck, for free.) Built-in Google Gears on the browser. Apps that can run in the background.
And my personal favorite: the back button that works everywhere. It's killer.
I saw a HTC magic on sale at the t-mobile kiosk at Costco and I just got my Rogers (Canada) magic from an ebay seller. They're available....
They added a native SDK a couple months ago.
What's wrong with the browser? They're both based on webkit. They both do about the same. The only real differences I can think of is the Android browser has Gears built-in and displays text at a reasonable size by default (where the iPhone leaves the page zoomed out).
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Uhm, but it's a dictionary... You have to search for fuck to find the definition of fuck in the first place!
What about, "I've paid for OEM Windows, but it's not installed on any of my 12 boxen. And now they want me to buy a full version just so I can run it in virtualbox."
Bah, then they should charge more for the Linux support. Simple. I would never call it, but I sure wouldn't mind if their prices were a bit higher to cover the unavoidable cost of supporting another OS. Or not offer software support at all, whatever.
The reason people smell conspiracy is the sudden drop of all Linux, anywhere, as soon as Microsoft reacted to the growing Linux use. They didn't take the netbook market seriously at first, but then overnight you couldn't buy a Linux netbook at a brick and mortar store if you wanted to. That's the conspiracy.
You can't tell me it's economics. There are plenty of ways they could have made money hands over fist. Instead, they let Microsoft kill the whole category.
Sorry, I missed your comment. It's usable but the layout is a little off and the click/paging doesn't work.
You can always grab the emulator from the sdk on android.com to see how it'd look on the phone if you don't have one. A couple tweeks here and there and I suspect it'd be fine.
Hmm... because unlike Gnome or KDE, Microsoft has single-handedly held back web development progress for at least a decade? Gnome and KDE don't have that kind of influence.
Meh, come to Android. You'll have no problems distributing your book or mentioning charity donations or anything else. I'd like to read it.