I'm not really sure you live in a very diverse area. I've worked in semiconductors, and know plenty of people in the software business. Gay's are not a minority. Most gays are usually quite well educated, which is more than I can say regarding the majority of Americans.
Gays are a minority in America. They're not a minority in higher-level jobs requiring an education.
I don't get it. Are you seriously saying that most (or half of) people working in higher-level jobs are gay? That there are as many or more gays as not working in those jobs? Or does the word "minority" have some unique meaning here that I'm totally unaware of?
"Fedora also works out of the box now [...] Mandriva is back on its feet, OpenSUSE is less of a pain, etc. Seriously, why do people focus on Ubuntu?"
Because Novell/SUSE is in bed with Microsoft, Mandriva costs money, and Fedora, while great for it's purpose, is specifically not targeted at regular/non-technical users (there's RHEL for that, but that costs money).
Ubuntu costs no money, is suitable for regular users, and is not in bed with Microsoft.
You're reading your parent post wrong. It never mentioned anything about sending the whole response back in 10 seconds; only for the server to accept the connection in that timeframe.
Yeah, I got what you meant. And yes, way too many people do that. And an unfortunate trend I'm starting to see is that kind people making a site that works in IE *and Gecko* (due to Firefox' popularity), but fails miserably under Webkit and Opera, because instead of actually *learning how to make websites*, the retards do their usual IE-only routine, with an added step of tweaking to make it work in Firefox, which means they end up with something that's just as much a horrible mess of code as the usual IE-only sites are, except it happend to match Gecko's specific quirks and oddities enough to work there as well.
The most outrageous example I've run into recently is some project made by some company in Vietnam, who claimed that the site didn't work in Safari "because Safari doesn't support DIVs". Turns out that they didn't understand the difference between id and class, and had given multiple different div elements the same id. Beautiful.
Firefox manages to run on Mac, Linux, Windows, and BSD.
...and (from a quick google search) AIX, OS/2, Solaris, HP-UX, BeOS, and something called RISCOS that I haven't even heard of before now... and probably more!
Haha! In a comment you wrote on the blog post you linked to, you wrote about Bill Gates' predictions and how they aren't coming true, and ended it with:
Oh yeah, and in five years everyone will be foregoing the keyboard and surfing the Web with voice recognition
I just HAVE to point you to this -- it's pure gold, if you haven't seen it already:-)
The only common thread between these three companies (among others) and their rejection of Gecko is Gecko itself: they've embraced a wide variety of other engines
What?
You are talking about AOL, Apple, and Google, right? "embraced a wide variety of other engines"? AOL stuck with Internet Explorer's engine in their product, and Apple and Google are both using the KHTML-derived WebKit in theirs. How is one company sticking with IE and the others using ONE other alternative engine in any way a "wide variety" of engines? You make it sound like they went "anywhere but Gecko" when in reality they just went to WebKit.
I dont subscribe to the argument that Firefox users would forget/stop using google search, if Yahoo/MSN is set as default
MSN???
"Google makes their own browser now, competing with ours! Quick, switch our default search engine to one that's not made by a competing browser vendor! Yeah, MSN, that's a good choice!"
Personally, I can't wait until Chrome is available for Mac. I will be switching from Firefox pretty quickly. Firefox has never worked well on the Mac, although the current version is much better than the horrid mess that was Firefox 2.0.
May I ask if you have tried/considered Camino (formerly Chimera), the Mozilla project's native Mac OS X browser? (Same engine, just a native GUI)
>> >> Why should one single product satisfy the needs of everybody?
>> Because everybody wants to share documents without "converters".
Sorry, but you're either a troll or an idiot. Those two things have nothing to do with each other. You are claiming that there is no way there could be different products that used the same document format, and that claim is obviously wrong. Practically every office suite other than Microsoft's has standardized on ODF by now, and even Microsoft has promised to implement support for it.
He's the one posting lies. I'd say the burden of proof is on him to back up his statements. I'll gladly refute any argument he tries to make in support of what he wrote.
(Actually I tried to point out what was wrong in his statement, but it was so absurd that I didn't know where to start, and gave up. Honestly.)
Google and Mozilla are part of a 'you scratch my back, I'll pay your bills' sort of agreement with the Google search bar firmly placed in the toolbar, and on the default homepage.
Actually it's more like an "I'll pay your bills and even scratch your back a little as well" sort of agreement. Firefox had Google as the default selected search engine since before they made any agreement and before they got any money from Google, simply because the Firefox developers happened to think that Google was the most useful search engine to set as the default for their users. As for the default homepage, AIUI it's more a case of Google helping Mozilla by volunteering to save Mozilla lots of bandwith by hosting that page for them, than a case of Mozilla helping Google...
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I'm not really sure you live in a very diverse area. I've worked in semiconductors, and know plenty of people in the software business. Gay's are not a minority. Most gays are usually quite well educated, which is more than I can say regarding the majority of Americans.
Gays are a minority in America. They're not a minority in higher-level jobs requiring an education.
I don't get it. Are you seriously saying that most (or half of) people working in higher-level jobs are gay? That there are as many or more gays as not working in those jobs? Or does the word "minority" have some unique meaning here that I'm totally unaware of?
"Fedora also works out of the box now [...] Mandriva is back on its feet, OpenSUSE is less of a pain, etc. Seriously, why do people focus on Ubuntu?"
Because Novell/SUSE is in bed with Microsoft, Mandriva costs money, and Fedora, while great for it's purpose, is specifically not targeted at regular/non-technical users (there's RHEL for that, but that costs money).
Ubuntu costs no money, is suitable for regular users, and is not in bed with Microsoft.
You're reading your parent post wrong. It never mentioned anything about sending the whole response back in 10 seconds; only for the server to accept the connection in that timeframe.
That's what they want you to think.
'that kind people' should be 'that kind of people', obviously
Yeah, I got what you meant. And yes, way too many people do that. And an unfortunate trend I'm starting to see is that kind people making a site that works in IE *and Gecko* (due to Firefox' popularity), but fails miserably under Webkit and Opera, because instead of actually *learning how to make websites*, the retards do their usual IE-only routine, with an added step of tweaking to make it work in Firefox, which means they end up with something that's just as much a horrible mess of code as the usual IE-only sites are, except it happend to match Gecko's specific quirks and oddities enough to work there as well.
The most outrageous example I've run into recently is some project made by some company in Vietnam, who claimed that the site didn't work in Safari "because Safari doesn't support DIVs". Turns out that they didn't understand the difference between id and class, and had given multiple different div elements the same id. Beautiful.
...on second thought, why should I spare them the humiliation? It was made by this group of incompetent fuckers.
Making a page that renders in IE and only IE and expecting your viewers to use that browser only is wrong.
Yes, I totally agree! Read what i wrote again :-)
Firefox manages to run on Mac, Linux, Windows, and BSD.
...and (from a quick google search) AIX, OS/2, Solaris, HP-UX, BeOS, and something called RISCOS that I haven't even heard of before now... and probably more!
They're working on it. Personally I just use an XP installation in a VM when I need to test some stuff I'm working on under IE7.
Your google skills are fail.
So is your grammar skills.
What does Chrome do which is violating privacy in such a way that you don't think it would be considered acceptable in Firefox?
Haha! In a comment you wrote on the blog post you linked to, you wrote about Bill Gates' predictions and how they aren't coming true, and ended it with:
I just HAVE to point you to this -- it's pure gold, if you haven't seen it already :-)
There's never been a good reason not to make sites that don't work equally well no matter what browser you use
Some stuff I make doesn't work equally well under IE because IE is buggy. Does that count? ;-}
WTF is this doing on the frontpage? This looks like some proprietary wine ripoff. Don't buy from these, buy from Codeweavers instead!
(I had guessed that this was posted by kdawson before i looked...)
They sure as hell don't want people to switch Firefox and Chrome either!
I'll bet that was on ME. Works fine on 2k.
The only common thread between these three companies (among others) and their rejection of Gecko is Gecko itself: they've embraced a wide variety of other engines
What?
You are talking about AOL, Apple, and Google, right? "embraced a wide variety of other engines"? AOL stuck with Internet Explorer's engine in their product, and Apple and Google are both using the KHTML-derived WebKit in theirs. How is one company sticking with IE and the others using ONE other alternative engine in any way a "wide variety" of engines? You make it sound like they went "anywhere but Gecko" when in reality they just went to WebKit.
I dont subscribe to the argument that Firefox users would forget/stop using google search, if Yahoo/MSN is set as default
MSN???
"Google makes their own browser now, competing with ours! Quick, switch our default search engine to one that's not made by a competing browser vendor! Yeah, MSN, that's a good choice!"
Uh...
Personally, I can't wait until Chrome is available for Mac. I will be switching from Firefox pretty quickly. Firefox has never worked well on the Mac, although the current version is much better than the horrid mess that was Firefox 2.0.
May I ask if you have tried/considered Camino (formerly Chimera), the Mozilla project's native Mac OS X browser? (Same engine, just a native GUI)
http://mozilla.org/projects/camino/
"Perl or Python?" is like "awk or sed?".
No, "Perl or Python?" is more like "C++ or Java?"
No. "Perl or Python?" is exactly like a battle between Smalltalk or MC680x0 machine code.
I think we'll have to conclude that "Perl or Python?" is really just like "Perl or Python?". :-)
>> >> Why should one single product satisfy the needs of everybody?
>> Because everybody wants to share documents without "converters".
Sorry, but you're either a troll or an idiot. Those two things have nothing to do with each other. You are claiming that there is no way there could be different products that used the same document format, and that claim is obviously wrong. Practically every office suite other than Microsoft's has standardized on ODF by now, and even Microsoft has promised to implement support for it.
If I were starting a business tomorrow, I can't think of a single piece of commercial software I'd standardise on.
Partly because I'm stingy when it comes to software. Partly because I don't want license management to become a headache as the business grows.
/.'s very own Roblimo gives another very good reason in this article: Why proprietary software is dangerous for business-critical applications
You're not the only one with that experience.
A tip, try reading some Terrence McKenna.
He's the one posting lies. I'd say the burden of proof is on him to back up his statements. I'll gladly refute any argument he tries to make in support of what he wrote.
(Actually I tried to point out what was wrong in his statement, but it was so absurd that I didn't know where to start, and gave up. Honestly.)
Actually it's more like an "I'll pay your bills and even scratch your back a little as well" sort of agreement. Firefox had Google as the default selected search engine since before they made any agreement and before they got any money from Google, simply because the Firefox developers happened to think that Google was the most useful search engine to set as the default for their users. As for the default homepage, AIUI it's more a case of Google helping Mozilla by volunteering to save Mozilla lots of bandwith by hosting that page for them, than a case of Mozilla helping Google...