No, but the last time someone has was when we carried around spears and rocks. In this day and age of elephant guns, anti-tank missiles, and napalm, I think the advantage may have shifted just a little bit.
I loved Jurassic Park, but it's not the gospel. It was an interesting idea extrapolated for entertainment value.
I wouldn't take him too seriously. From what I can tell, he has some 'issues' to take care of. Inbreeding may be a distinct possibility. Anyone who uses the term 'Crapple' with a straight face deserves whatever they get.
As for Perl scripts, well, I'm proof that Mac users can hack Perl.
Agreed. Co-op multitasking looks good on paper and in some cases is very useful (say, when you're sharing computing resources with other users). With a Mac, though, you generally want the front-most process hogging the CPU as much as possible. I'll take preemptive multitasking any day, but not if it slows down my Photoshop filters.
The REAL problem on the Mac has been, in my opinion, the lack of real good memory protection. In particular, extentions (or for the old school, 'INITs') have been the bane of Mac users wanting stability. I do think though that this has improved quite a bit in the last couple years through, from MacOS 8 and up, and to a very limited degree in MacOS 7.6.1.
Recent versions of the OS can run a couple weeks straight without a reboot. This is nothing compared to a well-tuned Linux box, but I'm not promoting the MacOS as a server OS either. For a workstation, it's perfectly usable.
Not at all. That's the thing, Red Hat IS paying - and not out of any requirement to do so. That's what I'd call a Very Good Thing, but there will still be people out there who rip on them for it. "You're not giving enough", etc.
No, it's not unthinkable to pay for something when not threatened by fines or imprisonment. It's unthinkable for someone to point fingers at a company who is already giving a substantial amount of cash to a good cause and tell them they are in the wrong. Charity is charity because it's not required or expected, but encouraged at any amount.
Do you get pissed at families who only give a small fraction of their yearly income to charity each year? For every dollar given, that's one dollar more than they had to give. I'm just saying give them a break, this is a good thing.
True, but that doesn't mean all GNU software requires them to be paid. I'm making the assumption that RedHat is only bundling software that doesn't request payment - or paying for that which does. If the specific software itself is 'free' in the traditional sense as well as freedom-wise, then what's the problem?
Is there a piece of software that requires payment that Red Hat isn't paying? If so, then that's bad.
I've noticed that a lot of open-source projects work almost like advertising for coders who want to be hired on. Sort of a "this is what I can do for your company" type of thing. Even if the software itself is free all around, they still end up financially rewarded in the end.
--- Redhat donating to the FSF, isn't that sort of like saying that microsoft donates money to it's software developers? ---
Bad analogy. Any software the developer asks for money back for, Red Hat would have to pay for. I don't blame the developers for doing it for free, but I don't feel Red Hat is taking undue advantage of them in the process. If you give stuff away, don't bitch when people take it.
Translation: "What? WHAT?!? You mean you only donate $50,000 a year to the FSF? You greedy corporate bastards, how dare you? You should donate ALL OF YOUR MONEY to them!"
Oy. Some people can't be pleased. Understand that this is charity, and $1 can be a significant chunk of profit. Care to explain this to RHAT's stock holders?
(and yes, it's very nice of you to give RedHat permission for a price hike, I'm sure they appreciate it)
You'll notice that none of them seem to have any sort of agreement on what the hell is going on. Remember people, it's not wise to base your judgements on something coming from ZDNet - their style of reporting was most likely to rely on one or maybe two of the above sites and cite them as 'anonymous sources'.
The fact is, nobody really knows what the hell is going on. Everything seems to point to the fact that everyone is getting their G4s at the original price except for some people who ordered early via resellers.
Now, if Apple really is going back and forth on this, well, I don't know what to say - they may have started dipping into the 'special' Kool Aid. On the other hand, this could simply be a case of one side of Apple not knowing what the hell the other side is doing (does anyone know if they use Outlook/Exchange over there?). Admittedly Apple has an odd enough history to make something like this halfway plausible, but remember who you are checking on for facts before you go apeshit...
Seems to me that would be kindness, not stupidity.
Stupidity would be the use of the letters 'u' and 'r' as if they were actual words. Do me a favor, will you? Next time you see someone do that, pay them a couple bucks to play in traffic.
I don't think it's really an issue of it being aimed toward beginners - I think it's mostly a case of it being less developed than the Mac version. The BeOS version is similarly 'light'. Once Linux really hits it big, I think they'll really beef it up (you have to admit they've spread themselves thin - MacOS, MacOS X, Win32, Linux, Playstation, PalmPilot, BeOS, Java, embedded, etc).
>the interface may feel a little MacOS-like, but >overall everything is well designed and very easy >to use.
Seems kind of redundant to me.:>
Seriously though, Codewarrior for the MacOS rocks. Give it some time, as the first version for the Mac was a little anemic to begin with - in the last few years, it has definately come around.
Metrowerks really saved Apple way back when - the transition from 68k to PPC wouldn't have been nearly as transparent as it was if it weren't for them.
Looks like this is legit. Apparently S. Jobs' email has been flooded with hate mail (heh), and he has been replying to customers saying that it will be 'set right' tomorrow.
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Definately a good book. Steven Levy is a good author, he really picks up on the mystique of the Macintosh in 'Insanely Great'.
He's been pretty well known in the Mac community for a while now, he used to write a good column for MacWorld, wrote a few books, etc.
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Pssst... 'Jurassic Park' was a movie. Those dinosaurs? They weren't real.
(slowly backs away, grabs tranquilizers)
:>
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Let's go back further, though. Adam and Eve. If all genetic material came from those two people, we'd have been extremely inbred.
Yet Another Place where the bible goes against logic (don't get me started on where the water from the 'great flood' came from or went).
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No, but the last time someone has was when we carried around spears and rocks. In this day and age of elephant guns, anti-tank missiles, and napalm, I think the advantage may have shifted just a little bit.
I loved Jurassic Park, but it's not the gospel. It was an interesting idea extrapolated for entertainment value.
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I wouldn't take him too seriously. From what I can tell, he has some 'issues' to take care of. Inbreeding may be a distinct possibility. Anyone who uses the term 'Crapple' with a straight face deserves whatever they get.
:>
As for Perl scripts, well, I'm proof that Mac users can hack Perl.
Anyhow, thanks for the open mind.
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Agreed. Co-op multitasking looks good on paper and in some cases is very useful (say, when you're sharing computing resources with other users). With a Mac, though, you generally want the front-most process hogging the CPU as much as possible. I'll take preemptive multitasking any day, but not if it slows down my Photoshop filters.
The REAL problem on the Mac has been, in my opinion, the lack of real good memory protection. In particular, extentions (or for the old school, 'INITs') have been the bane of Mac users wanting stability. I do think though that this has improved quite a bit in the last couple years through, from MacOS 8 and up, and to a very limited degree in MacOS 7.6.1.
Recent versions of the OS can run a couple weeks straight without a reboot. This is nothing compared to a well-tuned Linux box, but I'm not promoting the MacOS as a server OS either. For a workstation, it's perfectly usable.
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Apple's stock has always been screwy. They always seem to do well when others are doing poorly, and vice versa.
A couple years ago, when they started making profits again, I noticed that whenever they'd announce a profit their stock would dip.
The last week or so has seen a terrible drop in the US stock exchange, and Apple really screwed up with the miscommunication, but their stock goes up.
Go figure. Like in everything else related to Apple, their stock trends are REALLY weird.
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Yep, but they didn't keep the money.
All in all, in the end they handled it well (I was wondering there for a bit, though).
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Not at all. That's the thing, Red Hat IS paying - and not out of any requirement to do so. That's what I'd call a Very Good Thing, but there will still be people out there who rip on them for it. "You're not giving enough", etc.
No, it's not unthinkable to pay for something when not threatened by fines or imprisonment. It's unthinkable for someone to point fingers at a company who is already giving a substantial amount of cash to a good cause and tell them they are in the wrong. Charity is charity because it's not required or expected, but encouraged at any amount.
Do you get pissed at families who only give a small fraction of their yearly income to charity each year? For every dollar given, that's one dollar more than they had to give. I'm just saying give them a break, this is a good thing.
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- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
True, but that doesn't mean all GNU software requires them to be paid. I'm making the assumption that RedHat is only bundling software that doesn't request payment - or paying for that which does. If the specific software itself is 'free' in the traditional sense as well as freedom-wise, then what's the problem?
Is there a piece of software that requires payment that Red Hat isn't paying? If so, then that's bad.
I've noticed that a lot of open-source projects work almost like advertising for coders who want to be hired on. Sort of a "this is what I can do for your company" type of thing. Even if the software itself is free all around, they still end up financially rewarded in the end.
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...until they need to use a decent web browser to get work done.
Yay for open-source, yay for closed source. A big yay for good source of all kinds.
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---
Redhat donating to the FSF, isn't that sort
of like saying that microsoft donates money
to it's software developers?
---
Bad analogy. Any software the developer asks for money back for, Red Hat would have to pay for. I don't blame the developers for doing it for free, but I don't feel Red Hat is taking undue advantage of them in the process. If you give stuff away, don't bitch when people take it.
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- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Translation: "What? WHAT?!? You mean you only donate $50,000 a year to the FSF? You greedy corporate bastards, how dare you? You should donate ALL OF YOUR MONEY to them!"
Oy. Some people can't be pleased. Understand that this is charity, and $1 can be a significant chunk of profit. Care to explain this to RHAT's stock holders?
(and yes, it's very nice of you to give RedHat permission for a price hike, I'm sure they appreciate it)
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This got voted up to 5?
Seems to me like someone just got done watching Pirates of Silicon Valley or something.
Out of curiosity heroine, have you worked at Apple or NeXT or Pixar yourself?
I think a moderator could make a correction (say, -4)?
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...or there wouldn't be a Mac platform to begin with. Remember where Apple was 3 years ago?
(and yes, I do own a PowerComputing machine)
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Before anyone gets out of shape, take a visit to the usual Mac web sites:
http://www.macnn.com
http://www.macopinion.com
http://www.macweek.com
http://www.maccentral.com
http://www.macosrumors.com
You'll notice that none of them seem to have any sort of agreement on what the hell is going on. Remember people, it's not wise to base your judgements on something coming from ZDNet - their style of reporting was most likely to rely on one or maybe two of the above sites and cite them as 'anonymous sources'.
The fact is, nobody really knows what the hell is going on. Everything seems to point to the fact that everyone is getting their G4s at the original price except for some people who ordered early via resellers.
Now, if Apple really is going back and forth on this, well, I don't know what to say - they may have started dipping into the 'special' Kool Aid. On the other hand, this could simply be a case of one side of Apple not knowing what the hell the other side is doing (does anyone know if they use Outlook/Exchange over there?). Admittedly Apple has an odd enough history to make something like this halfway plausible, but remember who you are checking on for facts before you go apeshit...
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Seems to me that would be kindness, not stupidity.
Stupidity would be the use of the letters 'u' and 'r' as if they were actual words. Do me a favor, will you? Next time you see someone do that, pay them a couple bucks to play in traffic.
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- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Take your pick:
A. To prompt insensitive types such as yourself to respond.
B. To let people know that there might be erratic updates for a while.
C. For sympathy (it's deserved).
D. Because it's Hemos/Taco's site, not yours.
E. All of the above.
My vote: E.
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Looked around, I somehow managed to find Hemos' web page.
/. your bank account...
http://hemos.net
...click on the 'write' stuff at the bottom. Nifty.
Hemos - don't let it get you down. If you need donations, I'm sure we can
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...But sometimes it's easy to get worked up - these people are soiling the rest of our gene pool.
;>
I can definately see where fire might be of use in some cases, though.
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Sister Machine Gun (smg.org), Nine Inch Nails, Die Warzau, Live, KMFDM, Pig, etc. etc. are all good Perl coding bands/groups.
Nothing like a little SMG '[R]evolution' to get you in the mood to debug.
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I don't think it's really an issue of it being aimed toward beginners - I think it's mostly a case of it being less developed than the Mac version. The BeOS version is similarly 'light'. Once Linux really hits it big, I think they'll really beef it up (you have to admit they've spread themselves thin - MacOS, MacOS X, Win32, Linux, Playstation, PalmPilot, BeOS, Java, embedded, etc).
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>the interface may feel a little MacOS-like, but
:>
>overall everything is well designed and very easy
>to use.
Seems kind of redundant to me.
Seriously though, Codewarrior for the MacOS rocks. Give it some time, as the first version for the Mac was a little anemic to begin with - in the last few years, it has definately come around.
Metrowerks really saved Apple way back when - the transition from 68k to PPC wouldn't have been nearly as transparent as it was if it weren't for them.
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- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
The fact that you spell 'Mac' in all caps pretty much gives you away. Go away troll.
(BTW: I'm running CW and Netscape at the same time - maybe the problem with your machine is operator error?)
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Looks like this is legit. Apparently S. Jobs' email has been flooded with hate mail (heh), and he has been replying to customers saying that it will be 'set right' tomorrow.
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