>What is the significance of an "average" >slashdot'er?
I dunno. I think Slashdot's advertisers are probably the most likely to have an expert opinion on that.:>
>If a person (party, commune, whatever) doesn't >want to subscribe to Apple's license, they're >welcome to ask for amendments, or to not download >it at all.
Oh, definately agreed. That wasn't the issue. What I found odd was that people here seem to believe that Apple is specifically targeting them - in fact, Apple is really trying to woo back the loyalty of current Mac developers. The definition of 'open source' as it applies to a Mac dev may be different than the stricter version as it applies to a Linux dev.
Other than the cancellation section (which I believe needs to be edited), most Mac devs aren't really concerned. Many people here seem aghast that Apple has a vested interest in this, "they're just in it for free code!". Mac devs know this, but don't mind - free code turns into a better product which means more support for them in turn. Plus a little underlying OS code is fun to play with, possibly even turn into something cool.
I'm just concerned that this 'take', 'take', 'take' and no 'give' attitude doesn't affect Apple. You have to admit a lot of the bitching is by people who will never buy an Apple product.
Do you really think the average Slashdot'er would have bought any of Apple's products anyhow? How do you boycott something like that?
>It does not meet the *community's* definition of >what open source is.
I understand your frustration, and agree to a great extent (esp. about the termination clause), but there's something to this that a lot of people aren't getting:
This isn't about your community.
Although Apple did use the 'open source' label, as it was the closest thing that fit, they're not targeting the Linux factions, really. Apple is trying (justifiably) to satisfy their OWN developers. This is for Mac devs, not Linux devs.
Let's turn this around a little bit, perhaps Apple isn't terribly concerned about this 'movement', but are you terribly concerned about Apple's welfare? Why should it be only a one way street?
Not you specifically, but a lot of people seem to be complaining that they're afraid Apple will 'take the source and run', and yet that almost seems precisely what THEY want to do.
Blatant advertising, eh? Hell of a scheme you have.
Anyhow, neither does Slashdot. I am unable to figure out how someone can possibly consider this 'censorship' when with 3 clicks of a mouse (or so) you can completely open up the floodgates for every stupid, insipid comment out there.
Assuming you'd want to, of course. It's your decision. Empowerment to the masses. What's wrong with that? Why should I be forced to wade through someone else's banal crap to find anything of interest?
Does your web browser 'censor' you by not simultaneously downloading every terebyte of web content at once when you start it up? How dare they only load a single URL!? What about all the other URLs out there that are being passed by? Heck, forget this fascist 'on topic' crap! Let's force Yahoo to simply list all of their links on a single page, lest we filter out some poor fool's site that has nothing to do with a given topic. In fact, we should randomize their links each time the site is loaded lest we bias based on alphabetical position.
Good lord, just turn the damn moderation off if it bugs you so much. It's in your power to do so...
By the way, Office and Windows are hardly innovations. Innovating is doing something that has never been done before, or doing it in a way that has never been done before.
>The free software community gave them the BSD that >they're using as the core of MaxOS X.
Huh? I tend to think that the kernal is the 'true' core of an OS. My understanding is that they are using MACH with some of theith own NuKernal stuff thrown in for good measure.
Tevanian, who works for Apple now, was the head honcho behind Mach (correct me if I'm wrong).
>This whole issue seems small to me compared with >the closed source media formats... Apple is >apparently a fair-weather friend.
'gimee gimee gimee'.
What have you offered Apple lately? Do you care to pay for the time their engineers spent on the code you want. Do you have any idea how a company runs?
Apple is moving in the right direction. But expecting them to do something that doesn't add value to their own business is downright stupid. Of course they are hoping to get something out of this - that's how businesses work. They don't hire experts to figure out how to best lose money, after all...
(well, there was a time when I would have thought Apple hired experts to help them lose money, but that was during the Amelio administration - things have changed)
Right now, if I were an Apple executive, I'd be highly tempted to take my code, close it back up, and say 'screw it'. Given the amount of whining going around, I don't see how they can justify this release for a bunch of ingrates.
>Why does anyone who isn't an Apple employee have >any interest in whether apple contines along these >lines or not... it's not like anyone who doesn't >run Apple hardware is going to get any benefit >from Open Source advancements to the MacOS.
1. It can be ported elsewhere.
2. There are many of us out here who do run Apple hardware, or a clone thereof.
My take - not that anyone will, or even needs to, care:
1. Bruce Perens has some valid issues with the license. These should be addressed. But blaming/flaming Apple for intentionally trying to destroy this so-called 'movement' is ludicrous. Apple doesn't give a damn about your movement. Unlike 90% of the Linux community, they're being pragmatic about the deal. They're a company that has found a perfect "I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine" arrangement. They receive bug fixes, developer input, new features, and a greater installed base. In return, the world gets one of the world's most impressive underlying operating systems for free, with the ability to make all sorts of changes as needed. More choice is a good thing, people.
2. Those of you whining about them not releasing some of their core intellectual property, namely the (in)famous Apple GUI and higher level stuff: Shut the hell up. Apple wants to help the community and themselves as best possible, not go out of business. Apple made enough retarded decisions pre-1997, they don't need armchair-CEOs telling them how to do it now. As far as I'm concerned, Jobs' track record has been pretty good lately.
3. Thanks for both Bruce Perens AND Apple. Obviously, both want this to succeed.
4. Given Apple's history as a somewhat closed vendor, this is indeed a historic occasion. Even moreso than Netscape (whose background was already in the free software realm).
5. Before anyone says anything about Apple's position on cloning: I own a PowerTower Pro 225, and as such was very disappointed to see cloning 'taken out'. I was pissed for months. As I look back, however, I see Apple with a 12/share stock price, an inept board, an impotent gasbag of a CEO, and a mediocre product line. Now I see blue and white G3s, iMacs EVERYWHERE, actual marketing, and now their opening up of source code.
I love my PTP, but the proof is in the results (although I think a return to cloning is essential for the long term growth of the platform).
6. This is Yet Another Reason why Be has no excuse for slowly dropping BeOS support for the PowerPC. MkLinux, LinuxPPC, and now this. Be - give us a break. Provide support for the G3/G4 or kill it altogether and save me the wasted time. Please stop feeding us these lines...
7. I will be a very happy person once we can all start caring about 'open source' more than 'Open Source'. Frankly, these politics are getting tiresome. What can I say - I'm not a fan of religion.
Right now, I'm very happy to have my cool, speedy, modern PowerPC 604e. Another nice touch - it's smaller than a brick.
Is it me, or Intel taking lessons from Microsoft when it comes to mediocracy? First their attempt to pry into their customers' privacy, then the yawn inspiring performance of the Pentium III. Now, this.
And before someone says that I'm not understanding it correctly, let me explain myself.
1. Intel has taken great strides to stop overclocking, even taking away the ability to overclock your own machine (who knows, maybe your P-III will dial up Intel and tell on you?).
2. There are already laws against selling something different than what you're advertising. Just ask Ralph Nader. Intel is serving itself here, not customers.
Seems to me that the PowerPC world isn't such a comparitively 'closed' platform as many assume - it just has fewer active players. I've never heard about IBM/Motorola caring one bit about overclockers.
>Hear us, Apple. Open up the hardware specs to the >G3 machines. Let Be compete with your prized Mac >OS X Baby. I guarantee BeOS could run rings around >OSX when it comes to media development. Open
Oh, blah. Be isn't keeping their BeOS up to standard on the PowerPC platform because Be doesn't want to. Yes, they make a killer OS and everyone I've communicated with from Be seems to be really cool, but don't tell me you buy this "We are sticking with Intel because Apple won't give us the necessary information to do so" garbage, are you?
C'mon, think about it.
1. Intel has invested untold fortunes in Be.
2. MkLinux, LinuxPPC, and now ANOTHER OS (Darwin) has appeared that works on such hardware. Open source. Since when is Apple 'holding out' on Be? just because Apple isn't willing to subsidize Be's R&D efforts doesn't mean they're holding out.
3. Be used to tout the PowerPC platform as the best thing since sliced bread, a "cutting edge OS running on cutting edge hardware". Now, you can hardly get them to say a decent word about it, instead they tout whatever legacy crap Intel is pushing. If their reason for not staying with the PowerPC is political (bad relations with Apple), how did that make the PowerPC so technologically inferior to the Intel platform ?
>Source doesn't mean shit when your product is only >available on one architecture.
Too bad Be has practically dropped any future plans for the PowerPC, no? Not to mention it's closed source (not that I consider that a 'mistake' in every situation, but you mentioned it). very shortly, the BeOS will be mono-platform.
>Storage/bandwidth won't be the bottleneck, display >technology will be. Sure DLP and other digital >projection will improve, but analog projection >isn't standing still, look at imax.
Yeah, they're particularly lame - I think we can see that.
'Hackers' aside, what kind of crap do people use for the more utilitarian side of things? Like, my PalmIII has a nice leather case that I sometimes wear. I imagine if you have a laptop, there are numerous things you can do to strap it onto your body if you're taking it from place to place (I hate standard laptop carry-bags). I think I've seen some strap-on (hold the jokes, please) laptop bags that go on much like a backpack, but without the extra bulk.
I'd rather keep my hands free, if possible. Who caters to those who need to carry around a Powerbook or Libretto but don't want the standard carry-bag type setup?
Style doesn't matter, although black leather looks nice...:>
Agreed. As a Mac user myself, *I* could come up for better reasons to rip on Apple.
Mismanagement. Forecasting under demand so that people had to wait months for their machines. The PowerBook 5300. Pippen. Killing OpenDoc. Killing PowerComputing. The lack of a drive bay (notice I did not say floppy drive) in the iMac. Lack of PCI slots in the current G3 minitowers. Sticking with proprietary tech' when it doesn't make sense.
...And so forth.
But for all their mistakes, Apple is doing far better now than the last 4 years or so. They'll make screwups - and as always, they'll be publicized 10x more than comparable screwups by other companies. But you have got to respect a company that has been 'going out of business' for the last 15 years, even to the point of making an art out of it.
These guys are fools, plain and simple. I also lose a bit of respect for Slashdot; Is this 'news for nerds', or 'news for Linux-using nerds'?
The saddest thing is all the people replying to this article who seem to have nothing to do but follow in their footsteps.
Anyone notice they used FrontPage?
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'Crapple'?
You know, the company has been around for over 20 years. You'd think people would be able to think of a better insult than calling it 'Crapple'.
'Crapintosh' isn't terribly great, either.
Be open minded. When I want to run a web server, I'll run Linux. When Linux natively runs Photoshop, I'll do my design in it. Maybe.
I've found that most people who bash a platform extensively are typically trying to make up for their own deficiencies. The fact that this site's graphics look like they're straight out of MS Paint or maybe an early version of GIMP doesn't help matters much.
>Prophets have always been hated and oft-times >martyred by the ignorant mob....
Certainly. On the other hand, the 'ignorant mobs' in the world have also thrown out ruthless dictators and tyrants.
Just because someone has, in the public's eye, made an ass of him/herself on a regular basis does not mean that he/she is a martyr. Frankly, Rich's rhetoric is driving people away from free software, not helping it.
I recognize his talents and contributions - they are important. But if they *have* to be linked to his ideals and can't stand by their own merits, then it's no wonder people pass by him in favor of more likable people (ie. Linus). People skills are important, just as much as coding skills.
Umm - My understanding is that people make apps in order to fill a need. I am also under the impression that a video game emulator fills the need of a 'game player'. Put two and two together, you get four. How can the 'scene' possibly go downhill when there is demand for the main function of a program? What the hell is up with that? What SHOULD people do with emulators, replace their word processor?!?
Sounds to me like we're getting into the 'more 31337 than you' mentality. The moment something gets popular, it suddenly becomes uncool or supposedly ruined.
Maxis used to (still does?) have a product called 'el fish', which basically stood for 'Electronic Fish'. Basically, you could breed different fish, save them to disk and trade them with people, etc. Considering the graphical capabilities of the computers at the time, the graphics were nice. It even had an AI-based music generator that would auto create soothing music to fit your aquarium.
You could add those little scuba diver things, various plants, and even a crab to your aquarium. There was even a cat paw that would try to 'fish' out one of your fish. It was pretty cool.
The breeding process basically involved finding a couple fish (there was a map where you could find them at random) and breed the best looking ones. Once you found the ones you were looking for, you could 'raise' them, which basically entailed dynamically rendering the graphics for the fish - a process that took forever on my old LCIII/68030.:>
Obviously, you could breed entire lineages of fish, picking and choosing your genetic participants.
If you can find it, check it out. Maxis always did sell some of the best geek software 'toys'...
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Scully? You mean the same Scully that nearly ran Apple into the ground? Or is this some other Scully?
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>What is the significance of an "average"
:>
>slashdot'er?
I dunno. I think Slashdot's advertisers are probably the most likely to have an expert opinion on that.
>If a person (party, commune, whatever) doesn't
>want to subscribe to Apple's license, they're
>welcome to ask for amendments, or to not download
>it at all.
Oh, definately agreed. That wasn't the issue. What I found odd was that people here seem to believe that Apple is specifically targeting them - in fact, Apple is really trying to woo back the loyalty of current Mac developers. The definition of 'open source' as it applies to a Mac dev may be different than the stricter version as it applies to a Linux dev.
Other than the cancellation section (which I believe needs to be edited), most Mac devs aren't really concerned. Many people here seem aghast that Apple has a vested interest in this, "they're just in it for free code!". Mac devs know this, but don't mind - free code turns into a better product which means more support for them in turn. Plus a little underlying OS code is fun to play with, possibly even turn into something cool.
I'm just concerned that this 'take', 'take', 'take' and no 'give' attitude doesn't affect Apple. You have to admit a lot of the bitching is by people who will never buy an Apple product.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>I urge everyone to boycott Apple's license.
:>
Do you really think the average Slashdot'er would have bought any of Apple's products anyhow? How do you boycott something like that?
>It does not meet the *community's* definition of
>what open source is.
I understand your frustration, and agree to a great extent (esp. about the termination clause), but there's something to this that a lot of people aren't getting:
This isn't about your community.
Although Apple did use the 'open source' label, as it was the closest thing that fit, they're not targeting the Linux factions, really. Apple is trying (justifiably) to satisfy their OWN developers. This is for Mac devs, not Linux devs.
Let's turn this around a little bit, perhaps Apple isn't terribly concerned about this 'movement', but are you terribly concerned about Apple's welfare? Why should it be only a one way street?
Not you specifically, but a lot of people seem to be complaining that they're afraid Apple will 'take the source and run', and yet that almost seems precisely what THEY want to do.
Anyhow, just my thought...
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- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>NewsTrolls does not censor.
Blatant advertising, eh? Hell of a scheme you have.
Anyhow, neither does Slashdot. I am unable to figure out how someone can possibly consider this 'censorship' when with 3 clicks of a mouse (or so) you can completely open up the floodgates for every stupid, insipid comment out there.
Assuming you'd want to, of course. It's your decision. Empowerment to the masses. What's wrong with that? Why should I be forced to wade through someone else's banal crap to find anything of interest?
Does your web browser 'censor' you by not simultaneously downloading every terebyte of web content at once when you start it up? How dare they only load a single URL!? What about all the other URLs out there that are being passed by? Heck, forget this fascist 'on topic' crap! Let's force Yahoo to simply list all of their links on a single page, lest we filter out some poor fool's site that has nothing to do with a given topic. In fact, we should randomize their links each time the site is loaded lest we bias based on alphabetical position.
Good lord, just turn the damn moderation off if it bugs you so much. It's in your power to do so...
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>TrueType
TrueType? Ever hear of Apple?
By the way, Office and Windows are hardly innovations. Innovating is doing something that has never been done before, or doing it in a way that has never been done before.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>Visual Basic - more apps have been written in VB
>than any other language (ref: DevX). It brought
>programming to the masses.
Eh?
You must surely mean HyperCard, right? Programming to the masses indeed.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Paraphrased from the late, great PowerComputing itself.
Right?
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>The free software community gave them the BSD that
>they're using as the core of MaxOS X.
Huh? I tend to think that the kernal is the 'true' core of an OS. My understanding is that they are using MACH with some of theith own NuKernal stuff thrown in for good measure.
Tevanian, who works for Apple now, was the head honcho behind Mach (correct me if I'm wrong).
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>This whole issue seems small to me compared with
>the closed source media formats... Apple is
>apparently a fair-weather friend.
'gimee gimee gimee'.
What have you offered Apple lately? Do you care to pay for the time their engineers spent on the code you want. Do you have any idea how a company runs?
Apple is moving in the right direction. But expecting them to do something that doesn't add value to their own business is downright stupid. Of course they are hoping to get something out of this - that's how businesses work. They don't hire experts to figure out how to best lose money, after all...
(well, there was a time when I would have thought Apple hired experts to help them lose money, but that was during the Amelio administration - things have changed)
Right now, if I were an Apple executive, I'd be highly tempted to take my code, close it back up, and say 'screw it'. Given the amount of whining going around, I don't see how they can justify this release for a bunch of ingrates.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>Why does anyone who isn't an Apple employee have
>any interest in whether apple contines along these
>lines or not... it's not like anyone who doesn't
>run Apple hardware is going to get any benefit
>from Open Source advancements to the MacOS.
1. It can be ported elsewhere.
2. There are many of us out here who do run Apple hardware, or a clone thereof.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
My take - not that anyone will, or even needs to, care:
1. Bruce Perens has some valid issues with the license. These should be addressed. But blaming/flaming Apple for intentionally trying to destroy this so-called 'movement' is ludicrous. Apple doesn't give a damn about your movement. Unlike 90% of the Linux community, they're being pragmatic about the deal. They're a company that has found a perfect "I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine" arrangement. They receive bug fixes, developer input, new features, and a greater installed base. In return, the world gets one of the world's most impressive underlying operating systems for free, with the ability to make all sorts of changes as needed. More choice is a good thing, people.
2. Those of you whining about them not releasing some of their core intellectual property, namely the (in)famous Apple GUI and higher level stuff: Shut the hell up. Apple wants to help the community and themselves as best possible, not go out of business. Apple made enough retarded decisions pre-1997, they don't need armchair-CEOs telling them how to do it now. As far as I'm concerned, Jobs' track record has been pretty good lately.
3. Thanks for both Bruce Perens AND Apple. Obviously, both want this to succeed.
4. Given Apple's history as a somewhat closed vendor, this is indeed a historic occasion. Even moreso than Netscape (whose background was already in the free software realm).
5. Before anyone says anything about Apple's position on cloning: I own a PowerTower Pro 225, and as such was very disappointed to see cloning 'taken out'. I was pissed for months. As I look back, however, I see Apple with a 12/share stock price, an inept board, an impotent gasbag of a CEO, and a mediocre product line. Now I see blue and white G3s, iMacs EVERYWHERE, actual marketing, and now their opening up of source code.
I love my PTP, but the proof is in the results (although I think a return to cloning is essential for the long term growth of the platform).
6. This is Yet Another Reason why Be has no excuse for slowly dropping BeOS support for the PowerPC. MkLinux, LinuxPPC, and now this. Be - give us a break. Provide support for the G3/G4 or kill it altogether and save me the wasted time. Please stop feeding us these lines...
7. I will be a very happy person once we can all start caring about 'open source' more than 'Open Source'. Frankly, these politics are getting tiresome. What can I say - I'm not a fan of religion.
That's all for now.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Well, I'm close.
:>
MacOS on a PowerTower Pro 225 (although I have both BeOS R4 and LinuxPPC R4 partitions).
...So close, so close...
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>The people here could write a book in an hour if
>it was about "Why I hate Apple, and you should
>too".
Certainly wouldn't take long at all.
Of course, it'd be one enormous factual error, but that's okay. There's a market for that.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Right now, I'm very happy to have my cool, speedy, modern PowerPC 604e. Another nice touch - it's smaller than a brick.
Is it me, or Intel taking lessons from Microsoft when it comes to mediocracy? First their attempt to pry into their customers' privacy, then the yawn inspiring performance of the Pentium III. Now, this.
And before someone says that I'm not understanding it correctly, let me explain myself.
1. Intel has taken great strides to stop overclocking, even taking away the ability to overclock your own machine (who knows, maybe your P-III will dial up Intel and tell on you?).
2. There are already laws against selling something different than what you're advertising. Just ask Ralph Nader. Intel is serving itself here, not customers.
Seems to me that the PowerPC world isn't such a comparitively 'closed' platform as many assume - it just has fewer active players. I've never heard about IBM/Motorola caring one bit about overclockers.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>Hear us, Apple. Open up the hardware specs to the
>G3 machines. Let Be compete with your prized Mac
>OS X Baby. I guarantee BeOS could run rings around
>OSX when it comes to media development. Open
Oh, blah. Be isn't keeping their BeOS up to standard on the PowerPC platform because Be doesn't want to. Yes, they make a killer OS and everyone I've communicated with from Be seems to be really cool, but don't tell me you buy this "We are sticking with Intel because Apple won't give us the necessary information to do so" garbage, are you?
C'mon, think about it.
1. Intel has invested untold fortunes in Be.
2. MkLinux, LinuxPPC, and now ANOTHER OS (Darwin) has appeared that works on such hardware. Open source. Since when is Apple 'holding out' on Be? just because Apple isn't willing to subsidize Be's R&D efforts doesn't mean they're holding out.
3. Be used to tout the PowerPC platform as the best thing since sliced bread, a "cutting edge OS running on cutting edge hardware". Now, you can hardly get them to say a decent word about it, instead they tout whatever legacy crap Intel is pushing. If their reason for not staying with the PowerPC is political (bad relations with Apple), how did that make the PowerPC so technologically inferior to the Intel platform ?
>Source doesn't mean shit when your product is only
>available on one architecture.
Too bad Be has practically dropped any future plans for the PowerPC, no? Not to mention it's closed source (not that I consider that a 'mistake' in every situation, but you mentioned it). very shortly, the BeOS will be mono-platform.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>Storage/bandwidth won't be the bottleneck, display
>technology will be. Sure DLP and other digital
>projection will improve, but analog projection
>isn't standing still, look at imax.
I have looked at IMAX. Nice and pretty.
In fact, I looked at IMAX ten years ago.
See the problem?
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Yeah, they're particularly lame - I think we can see that.
:>
'Hackers' aside, what kind of crap do people use for the more utilitarian side of things? Like, my PalmIII has a nice leather case that I sometimes wear. I imagine if you have a laptop, there are numerous things you can do to strap it onto your body if you're taking it from place to place (I hate standard laptop carry-bags). I think I've seen some strap-on (hold the jokes, please) laptop bags that go on much like a backpack, but without the extra bulk.
I'd rather keep my hands free, if possible. Who caters to those who need to carry around a Powerbook or Libretto but don't want the standard carry-bag type setup?
Style doesn't matter, although black leather looks nice...
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Who here has used the term to 'moof' when you get accidentally disconnected from the 'net?
Me neither. I think they pulled it out of their netherregions.
http://www.kipling.com/hacker/collection/moof.h
'Moof' is, in fact, a reference to Clarus the Dogcow. Duh.
http://developer.apple.com/dev/dts/dogcow.html
Idiots...
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
What makes you think he meant of the USA?
/. is multicultural and multinational. Counting Star Wars, it's multiplanetary.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Agreed. As a Mac user myself, *I* could come up for better reasons to rip on Apple.
Mismanagement. Forecasting under demand so that people had to wait months for their machines. The PowerBook 5300. Pippen. Killing OpenDoc. Killing PowerComputing. The lack of a drive bay (notice I did not say floppy drive) in the iMac. Lack of PCI slots in the current G3 minitowers. Sticking with proprietary tech' when it doesn't make sense.
...And so forth.
But for all their mistakes, Apple is doing far better now than the last 4 years or so. They'll make screwups - and as always, they'll be publicized 10x more than comparable screwups by other companies. But you have got to respect a company that has been 'going out of business' for the last 15 years, even to the point of making an art out of it.
These guys are fools, plain and simple. I also lose a bit of respect for Slashdot; Is this 'news for nerds', or 'news for Linux-using nerds'?
The saddest thing is all the people replying to this article who seem to have nothing to do but follow in their footsteps.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
'Crapple'?
You know, the company has been around for over 20 years. You'd think people would be able to think of a better insult than calling it 'Crapple'.
'Crapintosh' isn't terribly great, either.
Be open minded. When I want to run a web server, I'll run Linux. When Linux natively runs Photoshop, I'll do my design in it. Maybe.
I've found that most people who bash a platform extensively are typically trying to make up for their own deficiencies. The fact that this site's graphics look like they're straight out of MS Paint or maybe an early version of GIMP doesn't help matters much.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
believe it or not, Word/Excel came out first for the Mac. Not sure about Powerpoint.
As a Mac user, it's not something I'm terribly proud of, but still...
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>Prophets have always been hated and oft-times
>martyred by the ignorant mob....
Certainly. On the other hand, the 'ignorant mobs' in the world have also thrown out ruthless dictators and tyrants.
Just because someone has, in the public's eye, made an ass of him/herself on a regular basis does not mean that he/she is a martyr. Frankly, Rich's rhetoric is driving people away from free software, not helping it.
I recognize his talents and contributions - they are important. But if they *have* to be linked to his ideals and can't stand by their own merits, then it's no wonder people pass by him in favor of more likable people (ie. Linus). People skills are important, just as much as coding skills.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
'Scene'?
Umm - My understanding is that people make apps in order to fill a need. I am also under the impression that a video game emulator fills the need of a 'game player'. Put two and two together, you get four. How can the 'scene' possibly go downhill when there is demand for the main function of a program? What the hell is up with that? What SHOULD people do with emulators, replace their word processor?!?
Sounds to me like we're getting into the 'more 31337 than you' mentality. The moment something gets popular, it suddenly becomes uncool or supposedly ruined.
Err, yeah.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Maxis used to (still does?) have a product called 'el fish', which basically stood for 'Electronic Fish'. Basically, you could breed different fish, save them to disk and trade them with people, etc. Considering the graphical capabilities of the computers at the time, the graphics were nice. It even had an AI-based music generator that would auto create soothing music to fit your aquarium.
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You could add those little scuba diver things, various plants, and even a crab to your aquarium. There was even a cat paw that would try to 'fish' out one of your fish. It was pretty cool.
The breeding process basically involved finding a couple fish (there was a map where you could find them at random) and breed the best looking ones. Once you found the ones you were looking for, you could 'raise' them, which basically entailed dynamically rendering the graphics for the fish - a process that took forever on my old LCIII/68030.
Obviously, you could breed entire lineages of fish, picking and choosing your genetic participants.
If you can find it, check it out. Maxis always did sell some of the best geek software 'toys'...
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net