>time, usually I'm working on one task using many >tools. I don't like my work in one tool to hide >just because I switched tools. If I wanted my app >to hide, I'd do it myself.
Educate yourself.
This is a preference on the Mac. Those who prefer less clutter turn it on, others keep it off. Check out the General Controls control panel if you're not sure of where to find it.
Second: the 'one button mouse' thing is a copout. Admittedly Apple does not ship multi-button mice, but there is a publically accessable API that Apple developed to allow for multi-button mice in most operations. You can use a one-button mouse if you like, or even 2/3/4 button mice if you prefer. Compare this to 'other' operating systems which force a certain model on you.
I personally like those mice by Kensington. Good quality stuff. I believe Logitech makes multi-button Mac mice as well.
Third: The Mac menu bar was not only put on top of the screen to shave off vertical pixels, but also to provide one consistant place for commonly used commands. There's no 'hunting' for a menu bar (which slows you down), your hand basically just shoots up to the top and you're automatically pointing at a menu. All you need to do is scan left or right and you've got your item. Anything else would be a waste of space, extraneous (why do you really need menus for inactive windows?), and ugly.
Fourth: You wanted the Lisa? It was too slow, too bloated, and failed miserably in the marketplace. Jobs didn't kill the Lisa, the Lisa killed the Lisa. The Mac came around, cost a third of what the Lisa cost, ran faster, and got just as much done. Plus, the disk drives didn't suck. The Lisa belongs in computing history (I know, I actually own one - albeit not working any longer)
>So WHY isn't the OS free again? Oh, I get it. Hook >the market on IE, including Mac users who know >Netscape wasn't fighting their battles on the Mac >front anyways..
Careful!:>
Mac users stuck with Netscape to the very end. If not as a statement against Microsoft, at the very least for this reason: IE for the Mac is buggy as hell. For Windows, it does have some redeeming factors, but the Mac version (at least until recently) has been a complete joke. Most Mac people picked up on this.
Remember, Mac users have been hating Microsoft and laughing at Windows long before you Linux whippersnappers.;>
Well, I'm using a Mac (well, a clone) and I do find it funny.
A couple years back I would have expected people to say 'Apple who?', but instead everyone is making fun of them just like old times. That's a Good Thing, it means they're not going anywhere.
The better Apple does, the less defensive Mac users need to be. So bring on the jokes...
>On the other hand, I wish Mac had a less opaque >way of handling file types.
Eh? What's wrong with the way Macs handle filetypes?
Having a 'type' and 'creator' code associated with each file makes for a great deal of flexibility. Why should opening a text file directly always open a certain text editor? What if I want for than one text editor, for use with different kinds of text files?
For one thing, the way the Mac handles type/creator codes allows me to have multiple files of the same kind associated with different apps. What if I want some HTML files to open in Netscape, some in BBEdit, some in Simpletext, and some in Dreamweaver? The Mac keeps track of this, and it (normally) works quite well.
Also, it rids us of the concept of file type extensions - a relic that would have been gone long ago if things went right. A filename shouldn't have to function as a holder for metadata such as a file's type. The only reason Mac files have file extensions is due to convention (so you know what they are when they're stored on a 'foreign' file system).
The only thing Apple should do is make it a bit easier to manipulate type/creator information without having to open an app. Something in 'Get Info' and/or a contextual menu would be fine.
I just hope they don't go backwards with MacOS X. Putting extensions in the MacOS will go over like a Windows installation for most Mac people.
The BeOS has a pretty decent system set up for file types as well, although there is some room for improvement. Using MIME types is a very good idea, but the community hasn't really standardized enough for my tastes. Lots of bogus MIME types out there.
Vice Presidents have a long history of saying incredibly stupid things, having them broadcast our to the public, and generally alienating themselves from the community.
You know what they say about those who live in glasshouses...
--- What kind of lousy editor is you, when you allow trash like that to be posted. At least you should run a spell checker on it! Slashdot will continue to be useless garbage until you learn to apply a minimum of professionalism in you job as editor. ---
BTW: If it's useless garbage, you're more than welcome to leave.
Remember 1996 and the Communications Decency Act? Many people who were on the 'net around then had some sort of geekish roots - and many of our pages were changed to black in protest. Many messages were sent to congress, many supported the EFF, and so on.
Geeks have been traditionally very aware of free speech issues - even if it's only to protect porn sites, free speech is still free speech.
Actually, Blueberry and Grape are faster. Darker shades of translucence allow less light to interfere with the workings of the machine, keeping the (already cool) G3 a little cooler. This provides for a slightly faster speed.
I've heard of something similar - someone connecting two Macs using a barbed-wire fence (!!), in effect making for a very slow Localtalk connection - as if Localtalk wasn't slow to begin with.:>
--- 1000x2000 pixel background picture? Clearly, these are Macintosh people. ---
Isn't it great?;>
Seriously though, I thought the page was okay but not terribly attractive. They may be Mac people, but most Mac people can design better sites than that.
(I know, I know, promoting computing stereotypes, blah blah blah).:>
I don't know about the G3 (I run LinuxPPC R4 on a PowerTower Pro 225 mac clone) but it seems relatively speedy compared to its Pentium counterparts.
However, that's just processing power. The video seems to suffer somewhat, presumedly due to the lack of any kind of acceleration. I really don't know (most of my Linux experience is on the PPC).
Still, it has come a long way in the last year or so - kudos to the LinuxPPC people who are doing the lions share of the work (mklinux and yellow dog are cool too for simply existing, though!).
--- IBM may have handled the PC business badly after it exploded (I think few would dispute this), but make no mistake: it was them behind the explosion. ---
My Apple IIe would beg to differ... It was the force that brought computing to the desktop.
As would my Mac... It was the force that brought computing to the desktop of the average everyday person. Countless imitations would seem to support this premise.
IBM did its part in bringing cheap computing to the enterprise market, but it didn't start the revolution by any means. PCjr - too little, too late.
>Sorry to be a butthead but you are the source of >Open source community and you're closing down your >openess
Patsy,
You forgot to plug NewsTrolls. Here, I'll do it for you:
http://www.newstrolls.com
"NewsTrolls, a site that doesn't censor like that Fascist Slashdot site. We don't make you change your settings (you won't find them anyhow). NewsTrolls: We cater to the lazy, inept, and complacent."
:]
Seriously, though, why do you feel so sorry for those who have no interest in taking responsibility for their own choices?
This is how I see it:
There is something to be said for good first impressions. If I were a Slashdot newbie and fell into a miasma of 'first post/meept/sux/rulz' posts, I'd be instantly turned off. Rob is obviously trying to present the best side of Slashdot as seen from the majority of its users (or in theory, a representative cross section thereof).
You, as a registered Slashdot user, have the opportunity to tailor your experience in just about any way you want. Look around - Rob is doing everything he can to let YOU do what you want. If he lets it all loose, the site's appeal will suffer. If he doesn't let enough out at once, it'll look like it's barely used. If Slashdot were a remote control for a TV, it would have just gained about 3 times as many buttons for you to fiddle with. As a geek, you've got to love that.
As usual, I can take an analogy and bend it even further:
Cable TV doesn't pipe every program to the viewer on the same channel at the same time, do they? Is it censorship if a radio station refrains from playing their entire set simultaneously? Should Yahoo switch to a randomly generated flat list of all its sites so as to not make presumptions of what its readers want?
Come on, let's get real. If a person is too lazy to turn the dial on their TV, that's not censorship. That's choice. It's not your choice, it's theirs. If they don't know how to operate the remote, and don't have the sense to read the instructions, then who are you to say Rob has to flip the channels for them (at the risk of drowning other new users in decidedly lame content)?
You know, the sad and twisted irony here is this: There are some serious similarities between the pro-censorship zealots and yourself. Although I usually fall into the same group as you (I abhor 'true' censorship), I see you claiming to know better than the clueless newbies who first visit Slashdot - you 'know better' because they're not capable of selecting what content they can and cannot view. If there is a desire to see all and hear all, they have that option - just as someone has the option to selectively remove certain content from their environment. Don't treat people as if they were children, as they're not - isn't this a familiar argument from the CDA days?
Do you see what I'm getting at? I hope so, this was a long post.:]
Agreed. I'm a Mac guy, but I still can't figure out why the hell Apple made tossing a disk icon into the trash a function to eject it.
It kind of takes away from the office/desktop metaphor they were trying to build, no?
Then again, if you know anything about the development of the Mac during that last 6 months (which is where the majority of the Finder's UI came from), you know that there were times where noone slept for 50+ hours straight. This explains a few things.:>
Then again, Most GUIs out there were *conceived* during the time their creators were asleep - this makes me appreciate the effort.
Many X window managers, and to an even greater degree Windows, seem to have been slapped together with no regard to intuitiveness at all. Sad, really...
Good god, someone finally said it. Thank you, thank you.
This whole open source 'movement' has gotten out of hand. It has turned from a nifty way to produce and distribute software into some sort of religious jihad. Anyone who falls into step with the goosestepping open source heroes is fine, but if you stray from The Light even by a few degrees, you are instantly branded as an Evil Capitalistic Baby Butcherer (R) and are suddenly compared to Microsoft or Bill Gates.
...And the rhetoric keeps flowing.
C'mon, people, is this an example of this 'freedom' you keep talking about? Mac and BeOS dev's seem to get along with their fellow developers quite nicely - whereas in the Linux community, there's so much infighting it's no mystery that it has the reputation it does. So many people bicker endlessly about whatever involvement a commercial entity (ie. Apple) has with their precious community. Heaven forbid someone doesn't want to give away their entire product line, or if they want to make a *gasp* profit.
Yeah, Apple has its cloudy history, but don't put them on the same slippery slope that says that all corporate entities are identical to Microsoft.
I prefer a freedom where anyone can do anything they want with their own code, without stepping all over someone else's. Think the APSL is stupid? That's fine - it's your option not to use it. I for one am looking forward to the day when the hottest devs out there can help out with Apple's product line, and people such as myself can tinker with it when desired.
This religious dogma is very unbecoming. I purposefully have avoided the 'Microsoft platform' specifically to avoid this kind of thing. It's ironic that the 'open source' platform has so many shocking similarities...
I thoroughly expect this to be an interesting experiment in moderation. Let's see where my score ends up... Negative numbers, anyone?
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>time, usually I'm working on one task using many
>tools. I don't like my work in one tool to hide
>just because I switched tools. If I wanted my app
>to hide, I'd do it myself.
Educate yourself.
This is a preference on the Mac. Those who prefer less clutter turn it on, others keep it off. Check out the General Controls control panel if you're not sure of where to find it.
Second: the 'one button mouse' thing is a copout. Admittedly Apple does not ship multi-button mice, but there is a publically accessable API that Apple developed to allow for multi-button mice in most operations. You can use a one-button mouse if you like, or even 2/3/4 button mice if you prefer. Compare this to 'other' operating systems which force a certain model on you.
I personally like those mice by Kensington. Good quality stuff. I believe Logitech makes multi-button Mac mice as well.
Third: The Mac menu bar was not only put on top of the screen to shave off vertical pixels, but also to provide one consistant place for commonly used commands. There's no 'hunting' for a menu bar (which slows you down), your hand basically just shoots up to the top and you're automatically pointing at a menu. All you need to do is scan left or right and you've got your item. Anything else would be a waste of space, extraneous (why do you really need menus for inactive windows?), and ugly.
Fourth: You wanted the Lisa? It was too slow, too bloated, and failed miserably in the marketplace. Jobs didn't kill the Lisa, the Lisa killed the Lisa. The Mac came around, cost a third of what the Lisa cost, ran faster, and got just as much done. Plus, the disk drives didn't suck. The Lisa belongs in computing history (I know, I actually own one - albeit not working any longer)
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>So WHY isn't the OS free again? Oh, I get it. Hook
:>
;>
>the market on IE, including Mac users who know
>Netscape wasn't fighting their battles on the Mac
>front anyways..
Careful!
Mac users stuck with Netscape to the very end. If not as a statement against Microsoft, at the very least for this reason: IE for the Mac is buggy as hell. For Windows, it does have some redeeming factors, but the Mac version (at least until recently) has been a complete joke. Most Mac people picked up on this.
Remember, Mac users have been hating Microsoft and laughing at Windows long before you Linux whippersnappers.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Well, I'm using a Mac (well, a clone) and I do find it funny.
A couple years back I would have expected people to say 'Apple who?', but instead everyone is making fun of them just like old times. That's a Good Thing, it means they're not going anywhere.
The better Apple does, the less defensive Mac users need to be. So bring on the jokes...
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
2 Problems:
1. Linux programming language? Did I miss this somewhere?
2. Perl is most certainly not, in any way shape or form, ugly. It is a beautiful language that gets things done. Amen!
:>
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>On the other hand, I wish Mac had a less opaque
>way of handling file types.
Eh? What's wrong with the way Macs handle filetypes?
Having a 'type' and 'creator' code associated with each file makes for a great deal of flexibility. Why should opening a text file directly always open a certain text editor? What if I want for than one text editor, for use with different kinds of text files?
For one thing, the way the Mac handles type/creator codes allows me to have multiple files of the same kind associated with different apps. What if I want some HTML files to open in Netscape, some in BBEdit, some in Simpletext, and some in Dreamweaver? The Mac keeps track of this, and it (normally) works quite well.
Also, it rids us of the concept of file type extensions - a relic that would have been gone long ago if things went right. A filename shouldn't have to function as a holder for metadata such as a file's type. The only reason Mac files have file extensions is due to convention (so you know what they are when they're stored on a 'foreign' file system).
The only thing Apple should do is make it a bit easier to manipulate type/creator information without having to open an app. Something in 'Get Info' and/or a contextual menu would be fine.
I just hope they don't go backwards with MacOS X. Putting extensions in the MacOS will go over like a Windows installation for most Mac people.
The BeOS has a pretty decent system set up for file types as well, although there is some room for improvement. Using MIME types is a very good idea, but the community hasn't really standardized enough for my tastes. Lots of bogus MIME types out there.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Vice Presidents have a long history of saying incredibly stupid things, having them broadcast our to the public, and generally alienating themselves from the community.
RMS should do fine.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Seems to me that they've accomplished that already, to some degree.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Red Robin rocks. We have 2 in this area (Tri-cities WA).
I really love those Bacon Burgers, and those fries.... Mmmm...
Oh yeah, and the kid is right - Ephrata does suck. then again, so does Soap Lake.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Now, I'll give Microsoft some credit -
:>
The Human Resources department in ANY company is likely to be imbued with Satanic power.
Their neither human, nor terribly resourceful.
Then again, given that Microsoft in general is the way it is, it seems to me that their HR department may have won over the entire company.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
http://www.userfriendly.org/static/
Can we say, not funny?
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>My only question is: is Yellow Dog Linux for real?
It has been talked about off and on for a while now, although it isn't actually out. I'd say it is for real.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Errmmm... Are you serious?
You know what they say about those who live in glasshouses...
---
What kind of lousy editor is you, when you allow trash like that to be posted. At least you should run a spell checker on it! Slashdot will continue to be useless garbage until you learn to apply a minimum of professionalism in you job as editor.
---
BTW: If it's useless garbage, you're more than welcome to leave.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Umm.
Remember 1996 and the Communications Decency Act? Many people who were on the 'net around then had some sort of geekish roots - and many of our pages were changed to black in protest. Many messages were sent to congress, many supported the EFF, and so on.
Geeks have been traditionally very aware of free speech issues - even if it's only to protect porn sites, free speech is still free speech.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Actually, Blueberry and Grape are faster. Darker shades of translucence allow less light to interfere with the workings of the machine, keeping the (already cool) G3 a little cooler. This provides for a slightly faster speed.
Lime is somewhere in the middle, if I recall.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
I've heard of something similar - someone connecting two Macs using a barbed-wire fence (!!), in effect making for a very slow Localtalk connection - as if Localtalk wasn't slow to begin with. :>
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
---
;>
:>
1000x2000 pixel background picture? Clearly, these are Macintosh people.
---
Isn't it great?
Seriously though, I thought the page was okay but not terribly attractive. They may be Mac people, but most Mac people can design better sites than that.
(I know, I know, promoting computing stereotypes, blah blah blah).
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
I don't know about the G3 (I run LinuxPPC R4 on a PowerTower Pro 225 mac clone) but it seems relatively speedy compared to its Pentium counterparts.
However, that's just processing power. The video seems to suffer somewhat, presumedly due to the lack of any kind of acceleration. I really don't know (most of my Linux experience is on the PPC).
Still, it has come a long way in the last year or so - kudos to the LinuxPPC people who are doing the lions share of the work (mklinux and yellow dog are cool too for simply existing, though!).
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Dancing Slashdot?
/. immortality:
Tips for
1. Use Photoshop or GIMP to make (or more often edit) a graphic. Spend all of 2 minutes to run a canned filter on it and save as an animated GIF.
2. Post to web page. Make sure to put a counter at the bottom. They're very accurate.
3. Post a message to rob on a slow day and wait for the hits to arrive.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
---
IBM may have handled the PC business badly after it exploded (I think few would dispute this), but make no mistake: it was them behind the explosion.
---
My Apple IIe would beg to differ... It was the force that brought computing to the desktop.
As would my Mac... It was the force that brought computing to the desktop of the average everyday person. Countless imitations would seem to support this premise.
IBM did its part in bringing cheap computing to the enterprise market, but it didn't start the revolution by any means. PCjr - too little, too late.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
You're just pissed that all the Mac users get laid and you don't right?
Seriously though, 'fun' and 'creativity' do not need to be Mac-user-only attributes (because they're not). What's wrong with that?
I guess the main difference is, you think whatever you will of Mac users,but they probably don't even bother to think of you.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>Sorry to be a butthead but you are the source of
:]
>Open source community and you're closing down your
>openess
Patsy,
You forgot to plug NewsTrolls. Here, I'll do it for you:
http://www.newstrolls.com
"NewsTrolls, a site that doesn't censor like that Fascist Slashdot site. We don't make you change your settings (you won't find them anyhow). NewsTrolls: We cater to the lazy, inept, and complacent."
:]
Seriously, though, why do you feel so sorry for those who have no interest in taking responsibility for their own choices?
This is how I see it:
There is something to be said for good first impressions. If I were a Slashdot newbie and fell into a miasma of 'first post/meept/sux/rulz' posts, I'd be instantly turned off. Rob is obviously trying to present the best side of Slashdot as seen from the majority of its users (or in theory, a representative cross section thereof).
You, as a registered Slashdot user, have the opportunity to tailor your experience in just about any way you want. Look around - Rob is doing everything he can to let YOU do what you want. If he lets it all loose, the site's appeal will suffer. If he doesn't let enough out at once, it'll look like it's barely used. If Slashdot were a remote control for a TV, it would have just gained about 3 times as many buttons for you to fiddle with. As a geek, you've got to love that.
As usual, I can take an analogy and bend it even further:
Cable TV doesn't pipe every program to the viewer on the same channel at the same time, do they? Is it censorship if a radio station refrains from playing their entire set simultaneously? Should Yahoo switch to a randomly generated flat list of all its sites so as to not make presumptions of what its readers want?
Come on, let's get real. If a person is too lazy to turn the dial on their TV, that's not censorship. That's choice. It's not your choice, it's theirs. If they don't know how to operate the remote, and don't have the sense to read the instructions, then who are you to say Rob has to flip the channels for them (at the risk of drowning other new users in decidedly lame content)?
You know, the sad and twisted irony here is this: There are some serious similarities between the pro-censorship zealots and yourself. Although I usually fall into the same group as you (I abhor 'true' censorship), I see you claiming to know better than the clueless newbies who first visit Slashdot - you 'know better' because they're not capable of selecting what content they can and cannot view. If there is a desire to see all and hear all, they have that option - just as someone has the option to selectively remove certain content from their environment. Don't treat people as if they were children, as they're not - isn't this a familiar argument from the CDA days?
Do you see what I'm getting at? I hope so, this was a long post.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
>Linus Torvalds just copied the idea of Unix from
>Ken Thompson, an AMERICAN! Can't people in Europe
>EVER write ORIGINAL software?
Yeah, but Americans are just whiny capitalists. Europeans are true artistes, cultured in all ways, intellectually superior.
Or something like that. That's the attitude I get from some people.
I like Europeans, personally. But there seems to be a lot of nationalism from BOTH sides. Blah.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Don't forget two ant movies:
Antz and A Bug's Life.
I liked 'em both, though.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Agreed. I'm a Mac guy, but I still can't figure out why the hell Apple made tossing a disk icon into the trash a function to eject it.
:>
It kind of takes away from the office/desktop metaphor they were trying to build, no?
Then again, if you know anything about the development of the Mac during that last 6 months (which is where the majority of the Finder's UI came from), you know that there were times where noone slept for 50+ hours straight. This explains a few things.
Then again, Most GUIs out there were *conceived* during the time their creators were asleep - this makes me appreciate the effort.
Many X window managers, and to an even greater degree Windows, seem to have been slapped together with no regard to intuitiveness at all. Sad, really...
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
Good god, someone finally said it. Thank you, thank you.
This whole open source 'movement' has gotten out of hand. It has turned from a nifty way to produce and distribute software into some sort of religious jihad. Anyone who falls into step with the goosestepping open source heroes is fine, but if you stray from The Light even by a few degrees, you are instantly branded as an Evil Capitalistic Baby Butcherer (R) and are suddenly compared to Microsoft or Bill Gates.
...And the rhetoric keeps flowing.
C'mon, people, is this an example of this 'freedom' you keep talking about? Mac and BeOS dev's seem to get along with their fellow developers quite nicely - whereas in the Linux community, there's so much infighting it's no mystery that it has the reputation it does. So many people bicker endlessly about whatever involvement a commercial entity (ie. Apple) has with their precious community. Heaven forbid someone doesn't want to give away their entire product line, or if they want to make a *gasp* profit.
Yeah, Apple has its cloudy history, but don't put them on the same slippery slope that says that all corporate entities are identical to Microsoft.
I prefer a freedom where anyone can do anything they want with their own code, without stepping all over someone else's. Think the APSL is stupid? That's fine - it's your option not to use it. I for one am looking forward to the day when the hottest devs out there can help out with Apple's product line, and people such as myself can tinker with it when desired.
This religious dogma is very unbecoming. I purposefully have avoided the 'Microsoft platform' specifically to avoid this kind of thing. It's ironic that the 'open source' platform has so many shocking similarities...
I thoroughly expect this to be an interesting experiment in moderation. Let's see where my score ends up... Negative numbers, anyone?
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net