What about your network provider, whose bandwidth is stolen well before the user ever retrieves that email? They incur the costs, and pass it down to their customers... Meaning that you already paid for your bandwidth, at least partially.
While each letter is short, it's a matter of scale. Spam contributes a non-trivial amount of load on the 'net, and technological solutions have only helped to a certain degree.
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hate furrinurs, private religeous schools paid for tax dollars.....oops I mean vouchers, fuck you. C'mon admit it.
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You're obviously confused.
Read this and this. Then, you'll see that your impression of libertarianism is quite misguided.
In short (in case you'd rather not follow those links), Libertarians are for open borders and privatizing the educational system. The former is pretty much self explanatory, and the latter would ensure that my money won't go to churches if I don't want it to (and I don't).
Another thing - given our unfair tax system, a decent chunk of their output is going to the masses already (albeit with half or so being spent on keeping big government running, lining pockets, etc).
If people didn't work 3-4 months every year as a slave to their government, perhaps they would feel more up to donating.
Exactly. Open-source isn't Communism, it is a gift culture. This is a very libertarian idea. Nobody is being forced to give away their code, but they do it anyway.
Actually, something tells me that if Bill Gates DID fart on Linus' face, that would be news. I bet most of the major media outlets would take it as well.
Keeping people alive is society's responsibility, but making sure they have 'a life' is not.
In short, keep them alive long enough so that they can take over, and eventually make a life for themselves.
People need to have at least some culpability for their position in life. As a society we can give people a boost, but like any crutch if it is relied upon too long people won't stand up on their own. We shouldn't be responsible for people who choose not to even try.
Perhaps, but for stuff not to be deleted, it is imperitive to hide the password - no?
Maybe he didn't have anything to hide, but I kind of doubt it was for any reason other than the info he needed to hide wasn't on the system in question. Would he be as open with his home, where bills and such might be located?
I understand the story behind it, and from what I could remember the reasoning behind the lack of passwords had little to do with privacy, and more to do with providing the least amount of challenge for fellow hackers to play around with peoples' stuff. After all, if there are no passwords, what fun is it to access someone's account?
Actually, I've heard that none other than Steve Jobs spent about a year in India, where he chose not to bathe (or perhaps he was still in the states). Eventually some of his friends convinced him it was a good idea. I can see why.
This was before founding Apple, of course. Since then he has paid much more attention to aesthetics.:>
--- It's not stupid for a girl to be really into a good band. ---
No, it's not. But you were talking about N'Sync, right?
Seriously, N'Sync is not a band. What it is, though, is a brand. It's a pretty picture for record company executives to slap onto lunchpails, peechees, stickers, bed sheets, and any number of other forms of merchandise.
The music itself is secondary - sure, each bandmember needs to be able to remain on key in order to pass the most basic prerequisite of a boy band. I'll grant them that. But the most important thing is that they are all clean cut and marketable. They were chosen nor for talent, but in order to fit into a specific well defined niche that allows record and merchandise sales to be maximized.
The fact that hormonal teenage girls swoon over these guys doesn't hurt either, as peer pressure will force those girls that don't to emulate their friends.
But don't kid yourself. N'Sync sounds like any other boy band out there - these guys aren't expanding the realm of musical experimentation (do they even play instruments?), nor are they particularly inspired (how many songs about love and sexual innuendo can these bands make?).
You can like them if you like, but the guy's analogy still stands - liking a musician for their talent is one thing (I for one respect a number of musicians - Chris Randall, Trent Reznor, Ed Kowalczyk, Raymond Watts, etc), but they aren't gods or dieties. They are humans, and you don't need to scream or express your undying love at their mere appearance. If you do, well, you're creating a stereotype, and people will notice - just as the above poster did. You can't complain about it if it is true.
And no, I didn't/don't care much for Nirvana, but that's besides the point.
Why? Because neither Pokémon or cigarettes are necessary for existance. The only reason you give to these people is so that they don't die - if they want the finer things in life (Pokémon?), they should pay for it like us taxpayers.
That said, I agree with you on the second point - McDonalds? Ech.
Perhaps you should reconsider the idea that 'we' are a single coherant group. Many of us have differing opinions, and are capable of thinking for ourselves rather than jumping on whichever trendy boycott is en vogue any given month.
Slashdot: Liberals, Conservatives, Libertarians, Socialists, Atheists, Christians, etc. We are diverse - don't pigeonhole people into holes they don't fit in.
Forget that, Nader is even more pro big government than Gore & company.
Just because you feel the urge to run away from the encroaching arms of the corporate world, doesn't mean you have to run into the arms of a nanny government. You won't be in a better place.
Vote libertarian, or at least demand the right to choose how you live your life from those who you do vote for. Fight any attempt to take away your constitutional rights, and don't allow the burdensome and unfair tax system to remain.
(mods: feel free to moderate this Offtopic as needed)
Hrm. I guess that's a pretty subjective thing though - I'm typing this on a G3 Lombard and I actually like the track pad. It's something that grows on you, and doesn't accumulate lots of cruft like a trackball does.
It'd be kind of neat if input devices could be modular though.:>
The iMac was the top selling personal computer for a number of months, and is still holding its own.
Just because a single company doesn't put the dozens of companies supplying machines for the 'other' platform out of business does not mean they failed at anything. Apple has lots of cash, growing marketshare, a high stock price, and so on. By what measure do you consider Apple's marketing a failure? Seems like it has worked to me.
--- Gravity is related to mass, and electromagnetic forces on charge. How can someone compare the mass of the earth with the charge in the atoms in a magnet? They are totally different things. ---
Exactly. A person could make the opposite argument - that you can place a rock on the ground and it will stay there, and yet remain stationary when you move a magnet over it.
Or even plop down a 2 ton chunk of solid iron. It's a lot easier to keep it on the ground than to lift it with a magnet.
Addendum - I made a mistake. you don't report to the RBL, you report to MAPS. The RBL is a list they keep. There are a number of similar lists that network providers can use to decide who they should and should not accept connections from.
Of course, it's all voluntary. You don't need to use these blacklists if you don't want to...
--- If an online 'White Power' organization were to be established, that posted lists of Websites they objected to, for itemized specific reasons, would that be considered legitimate? ---
Sure. I may not agree with it, but if they want to rally the rest of their white trash bretheren, then they should be allowed to do so. Free speech is funny that way...
--- First off, 'spam' is a subjective term used to describe a lot of different things. ---
While some people use it incorrectly, the generally accepted definition of spam is 'unsolicited bulk email' - commercial in nature or not.
Regardless, the RBL focuses on open relays - those aren't subjective at all. It's either open or it's not.
--- Companies shouldn't be deciding much of anything for their customers where it comes to filtering the content they receive. ---
Sure they can, as long as they are open about it. That's why an open marketplace is so vital - you as a consumer can choose who you want to work with. If a given ISP filters stuff based on known spam sources and you don't like it, there are a number of competing ISPs that would be more than happy to take your business away from them.
--- They're certainly no longer a 'common carrier' once they've started applying filters.... ---
Hrm.
If I block incoming mail from a given ISP due to their listing on the RBL, should that lose me common carrier status? It's not really being 'published' in a public space, and you're not really censoring existing _content_, so it's hard to say.
Where does it stop? If I apply a block to a certain IP range due to a denial of service attack, does that lose me the common carrier status? If so, that needs to change. I consider spam to be the equivelent to an attack of sorts, so I'm not sure why there would be a difference. In either case it's the hijacking of 3rd party computing resources for an insidious purpose.
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Maybe, maybe not. Putting your nationalism aside, though, can you say that it's a dumb person who knows how to sell to those 'morons'?
I don't see anyone else doing it, at least not at the same scale.
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- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
What about your network provider, whose bandwidth is stolen well before the user ever retrieves that email? They incur the costs, and pass it down to their customers ... Meaning that you already paid for your bandwidth, at least partially.
While each letter is short, it's a matter of scale. Spam contributes a non-trivial amount of load on the 'net, and technological solutions have only helped to a certain degree.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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hate furrinurs, private religeous schools paid for tax dollars.....oops I mean vouchers, fuck you. C'mon admit it.
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You're obviously confused.
Read this and this. Then, you'll see that your impression of libertarianism is quite misguided.
In short (in case you'd rather not follow those links), Libertarians are for open borders and privatizing the educational system. The former is pretty much self explanatory, and the latter would ensure that my money won't go to churches if I don't want it to (and I don't).
Perhaps you were thinking of these guys instead?
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Another thing - given our unfair tax system, a decent chunk of their output is going to the masses already (albeit with half or so being spent on keeping big government running, lining pockets, etc).
If people didn't work 3-4 months every year as a slave to their government, perhaps they would feel more up to donating.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Exactly. Open-source isn't Communism, it is a gift culture. This is a very libertarian idea. Nobody is being forced to give away their code, but they do it anyway.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Actually, something tells me that if Bill Gates DID fart on Linus' face, that would be news. I bet most of the major media outlets would take it as well.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Keeping people alive is society's responsibility, but making sure they have 'a life' is not.
In short, keep them alive long enough so that they can take over, and eventually make a life for themselves.
People need to have at least some culpability for their position in life. As a society we can give people a boost, but like any crutch if it is relied upon too long people won't stand up on their own. We shouldn't be responsible for people who choose not to even try.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Perhaps, but for stuff not to be deleted, it is imperitive to hide the password - no?
Maybe he didn't have anything to hide, but I kind of doubt it was for any reason other than the info he needed to hide wasn't on the system in question. Would he be as open with his home, where bills and such might be located?
I understand the story behind it, and from what I could remember the reasoning behind the lack of passwords had little to do with privacy, and more to do with providing the least amount of challenge for fellow hackers to play around with peoples' stuff. After all, if there are no passwords, what fun is it to access someone's account?
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Actually, I've heard that none other than Steve Jobs spent about a year in India, where he chose not to bathe (or perhaps he was still in the states). Eventually some of his friends convinced him it was a good idea. I can see why.
:>
This was before founding Apple, of course. Since then he has paid much more attention to aesthetics.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
The point is, he obviously did. Sounds like he didn't like his stuff deleted.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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It's not stupid for a girl to be really into a good band.
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No, it's not. But you were talking about N'Sync, right?
Seriously, N'Sync is not a band. What it is, though, is a brand. It's a pretty picture for record company executives to slap onto lunchpails, peechees, stickers, bed sheets, and any number of other forms of merchandise.
The music itself is secondary - sure, each bandmember needs to be able to remain on key in order to pass the most basic prerequisite of a boy band. I'll grant them that. But the most important thing is that they are all clean cut and marketable. They were chosen nor for talent, but in order to fit into a specific well defined niche that allows record and merchandise sales to be maximized.
The fact that hormonal teenage girls swoon over these guys doesn't hurt either, as peer pressure will force those girls that don't to emulate their friends.
But don't kid yourself. N'Sync sounds like any other boy band out there - these guys aren't expanding the realm of musical experimentation (do they even play instruments?), nor are they particularly inspired (how many songs about love and sexual innuendo can these bands make?).
You can like them if you like, but the guy's analogy still stands - liking a musician for their talent is one thing (I for one respect a number of musicians - Chris Randall, Trent Reznor, Ed Kowalczyk, Raymond Watts, etc), but they aren't gods or dieties. They are humans, and you don't need to scream or express your undying love at their mere appearance. If you do, well, you're creating a stereotype, and people will notice - just as the above poster did. You can't complain about it if it is true.
And no, I didn't/don't care much for Nirvana, but that's besides the point.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Why? Because neither Pokémon or cigarettes are necessary for existance. The only reason you give to these people is so that they don't die - if they want the finer things in life (Pokémon?), they should pay for it like us taxpayers.
That said, I agree with you on the second point - McDonalds? Ech.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Perhaps you should reconsider the idea that 'we' are a single coherant group. Many of us have differing opinions, and are capable of thinking for ourselves rather than jumping on whichever trendy boycott is en vogue any given month.
Slashdot: Liberals, Conservatives, Libertarians, Socialists, Atheists, Christians, etc. We are diverse - don't pigeonhole people into holes they don't fit in.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Forget that, Nader is even more pro big government than Gore & company.
Just because you feel the urge to run away from the encroaching arms of the corporate world, doesn't mean you have to run into the arms of a nanny government. You won't be in a better place.
Vote libertarian, or at least demand the right to choose how you live your life from those who you do vote for. Fight any attempt to take away your constitutional rights, and don't allow the burdensome and unfair tax system to remain.
(mods: feel free to moderate this Offtopic as needed)
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Hrm. I guess that's a pretty subjective thing though - I'm typing this on a G3 Lombard and I actually like the track pad. It's something that grows on you, and doesn't accumulate lots of cruft like a trackball does.
:>
It'd be kind of neat if input devices could be modular though.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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...and boned up one your reading skills...
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'one'?
The irony is killing me.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Relatively speaking? Compared to what?
The iMac was the top selling personal computer for a number of months, and is still holding its own.
Just because a single company doesn't put the dozens of companies supplying machines for the 'other' platform out of business does not mean they failed at anything. Apple has lots of cash, growing marketshare, a high stock price, and so on. By what measure do you consider Apple's marketing a failure? Seems like it has worked to me.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Ah, so I take it you have used the new mouse...?
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Note that it's dual processor.
Still not cheap, but I'd buy one.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
At some point you pry fucked up your QuickTime install, or uninstalled QT VR. It works fine for me (Powerbook G3 Lombard).
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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Gravity is related to mass, and electromagnetic forces on charge. How can someone compare the mass of the earth with the charge in the atoms in a magnet? They are totally different things.
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Exactly. A person could make the opposite argument - that you can place a rock on the ground and it will stay there, and yet remain stationary when you move a magnet over it.
Or even plop down a 2 ton chunk of solid iron. It's a lot easier to keep it on the ground than to lift it with a magnet.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Addendum - I made a mistake. you don't report to the RBL, you report to MAPS. The RBL is a list they keep. There are a number of similar lists that network providers can use to decide who they should and should not accept connections from.
Of course, it's all voluntary. You don't need to use these blacklists if you don't want to...
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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If an online 'White Power' organization were to be established, that posted lists of Websites they objected to, for itemized specific reasons, would that be considered legitimate?
---
Sure. I may not agree with it, but if they want to rally the rest of their white trash bretheren, then they should be allowed to do so. Free speech is funny that way...
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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First off, 'spam' is a subjective term used to describe a lot of different things.
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While some people use it incorrectly, the generally accepted definition of spam is 'unsolicited bulk email' - commercial in nature or not.
Regardless, the RBL focuses on open relays - those aren't subjective at all. It's either open or it's not.
---
Companies shouldn't be deciding much of anything for their customers where it comes to filtering the content they receive.
---
Sure they can, as long as they are open about it. That's why an open marketplace is so vital - you as a consumer can choose who you want to work with. If a given ISP filters stuff based on known spam sources and you don't like it, there are a number of competing ISPs that would be more than happy to take your business away from them.
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They're certainly no longer a 'common carrier' once they've started applying filters....
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Hrm.
If I block incoming mail from a given ISP due to their listing on the RBL, should that lose me common carrier status? It's not really being 'published' in a public space, and you're not really censoring existing _content_, so it's hard to say.
Where does it stop? If I apply a block to a certain IP range due to a denial of service attack, does that lose me the common carrier status? If so, that needs to change. I consider spam to be the equivelent to an attack of sorts, so I'm not sure why there would be a difference. In either case it's the hijacking of 3rd party computing resources for an insidious purpose.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)