Whatever. I've learned long ago not to take arguments from Anonymous Cowards seriously - especially when they're accompanied by insults. To me, just the fact that you used the words "Linux zealots" annihilates whatever credibility you may have had as an AC (which isn't a lot).
Current estimates for Linux market share place it at 2.5%, which is consistent with estimates from the Linux Counter.
BTW, Google may be a Linux company, but even they don't pretend that the Zeitgeist is an accurate measure of Market Share. If it was the case, why would people pay thousand of dollars for that kind of market research, hmm?
It seems logical that Google would associate OSes with individual IP addresses. This technique under-represents broadband users.
Let's assume that two users, one using broadband (i.e. Cable or DSL) and the other narrowband (i.e. modem), each access Google once every day for a month. The average broadband user is unlikely to change IP addresses more than once or twice over that time period (personally, my IP address usually lasts for about six months). The narrowband user, on the other hand, will likely change IP addresses every time he reconnects to the network - so it could have as many as 30 different IP addresses for a single month!
Since very few Linux users are narrowband users, it's easy to see how their number would be misrepresented by Google's index.
As far as IIS is concerned, I'm not talking about its other capabilities, but rather only of its web-serving component. As a web server, IIS has about half of Apache's market share, yet - still as a web server - it has more vulnerabilities.
And if it's not used, then it shouldn't be the target of worms - unless the service is on by default, which would be a very bad thing from a security point of view (and would support the argument that market share numbers have nothing to do with security lapses in design).
The kernel exploit you're talking about is a local exploit, not a remote one.
No matter how you cut it, making a file executable simply through its file extension is bad security design.
Google Zeitgeist is not an accurate measure of market share because it under-represents broadband users (whose IP addresses change much less often than narrowband users). The vast majority of Linux users (about 85%) use broadband, compared to about 35% for Windows users.
The "popularity" argument has yet to be convincingly demonstrated. IIS is less popular than Apache for web-serving, yet there have been more exploits and vulnerabilities for IIS. This contradicts your theory.
Fox News is a right-wing propaganda station.
Before calling others clueless, perhaps you should get some clues of your own...
Well, intimidation is a gamble. What the mugger calls your bluff? Most won't, but there is a risk that he will? What if you miss, or the pain isn't enough for you to get the upper hand?
I guess that, as in most mugging cases, it depends a lot of the situation. If you can feel that the mugger might be intimidated, then you can take the chance, personally I'd rather try to use it defensively.
The best weapon is always a sharp mind and a wise soul - though this tells me that Apple should think about marketing an iPod with integrated taser...:-) I can see the slogan: "10 hours of play or two 10,000 volt shocks!"
Excellent advice, but why waste time with a Taser to do it?
I wouldn't, but I can understand how it can effectively help self-defence if used well. I'm guessing that, as a martial arts practitioner, you would probably choose another type of weapon. But tasers (combined with basic self-defence training, of course) can be of help to others who might be less fit or strong than you are.
That said, I'm not necessarily advocating their use, just that they can indeed be useful in some situations, like mace or pepper spray. (Heck, if they weren't that fragile, eggshell flashbombs could be quite effective: "my wallet? sure...Flash! Whap, whap, kick, thud)
Therefore, if it's legal to do so, it's smarter to just carry a gun.
The key concept here is non-lethal (though I guess the pacemaker-wearing muggers are at risk...). It's certainly more effective using a gun (if you can - in most of the civilized world, you can't), but the risk of causing death is greater. And that's bad for your soul - or bad karma if you're more of a buddhist, like me...
Seriously, I think it's quite obvious that a taser isn't a superweapon. That's not the point. The idea is that, if used right, it can provide an edge in a physical confrontation. The thing is to try to use the element of surprise provided by the sudden pain to use other self-defense maneuvers, possibly a disarming arm lock, or a strike to the throat, neck, groin, etc. - or even try to get away if possible. You're not supposed to waive it around menacingly! Like any weapon, they are only what you make of them - trust too much in their power and you may regret it.
Of course they're pretty useless against guns - I mean, you could try to use it if your life was threatened, but for a common mugging it's not worth the risk.
So, anyway, for your challenge to be fair, you'd have to accept to be caught unaware...;-)
Not necessarily: the "meekness" factor, including the famous "turn the other cheek" and "love thy enemies" teachings (arguably some of the most powerful and controversial elements of the Christian religion) don't appear in either Jewish, Greek or Gnostic thought. Meekness before God(s), yes, but before other human beings? This total abandonment is distinctively buddhist in nature, IMO.
Well, he did vanish from Palestine for quite a few years (some say over a decade), then came back no longer a zealot (in the classical sense of the word) but rather a humanist philosopher. It seems that he had also learned healing techniques and remedies.
Since he was most certainly fleeing the romans, it would have made sense for him to go East, not West. He could easily followed the Silk road to India, and have been exposed to Buddhism while there (in addition to learning magic tricks and medical secrets).
Of course, all of this is just a bunch of supposition, but we don't have much more to go on when studying the "historical" Jesus.
Last I heard they were building a huge gas fired plant near Montreal since their hydro production cannot keep up with demand just in the provice of Quebec (in the short term they say).
That's not quite true. Right now, the production can barely keep up with domestic demand and exports. Since exports (to the States, mainly) are a big source of revenue for the utility, it creates a problematic situation.
As for the gas plant, it's far from a done deal - this project has been quite controversial, and the current govt. is already pretty low in opinion polls, so there's a very real chance it might get canned.
The reason Hydro-Quebec has "gotten into the car business" is simply that they developed the wheel motors. Since this technology possibly represents additional revenue, it makes sense that they would try to exploit it in partnership with others. As a Quebec taxpayer, I'm all for it - this would create jobs and bring in some money as well.
Isn't that due to not to poor performance, but rather to the lack of double-buffering? IIRC, the new freedesktop.org X server extensions by Keith Packard add a compositing layer, which would enable desktop double-buffering.
Just because they may use Linux doesn't mean they are part of the community. Their values run contrary to those of the community, and their actions bring harm to it, therefore it's safe to say that they are no longer part of it.
a) you can't put someone in jail due to their attitude or lifestyle, unless they actually commit crimes. He did commit crimes, he went to jail, he's paid his debt. End of story.
b) nothing indicates that he's committed more crimes since his release - in fact, he seems ready to put his expertise to good (i.e. honest) use. So at this time there's no reason to put in back in jail.
Well, it's his right not to reveal much about his project at this point. I'd probably do the same in his position. I think he probably knows that there's a good chance he'll make more money legitimately by helping telcos catch crook than by continuing with his scams. This is exactly what Frank Abagnale did, and in fact a lot of security experts followed the same path.
There would be quite a few lawyers ready to fill out a class action suit against MS on contingency. At some point, having lots of money makes you as much a tempting target as a fearsome opponent. In such a clear case of copyright infringement, MS would be hard-pressed to win, no matter how much money they threw at the thing.
The legal system may be defective in some areas, but it's nottotally broken. If money was all it took to win a case, then SCO (or Eolas, for that matter) would never have won against Microsoft...
Many of the comments here are "SCO has yet to prove it", and yet people fail to realize that SCO does not yet have the *requirement* to prove it. In fact, to do so now would probably be a poor legal strategy.
You seem to be under the impression that, just like in TV shows and movies about lawyers and trials, one of the party can just come up with "surprise" evidence during the trial and thus checkmate its opponent. Unfortunately (for SCO), in real life the legal system doesn't work like that. You have to present and identify with sufficent precision all evidence during the discovery portion of the trial. SCO has failed to do so, and were ordered by the court to comply with IBM's discovery requests. In two weeks, if they can't present the evidence, then it's likely the judge will throw the case out.
For a SCO employee, you haven't been following this very closely...or perhaps you do believe your company's official propaganda! Personally, I don't think you're really a SCO employee at all, as I'm pretty sure they have strict orders not to discuss the case on Internet forums at all. You must simply be one of these anti-Linux trolls who see the SCO case as a chance to damage the OS's reputation.
Not theft. Copyright violation. Please learn the difference.
What will the judge say? If she has any sense (and judges usually do) she will ask that the situation be corrected. SCO has a duty to mitigate its damages, something which it hasn't done.
If damages were to be awarded for this, I'm pretty sure they would be symbolic (i.e. 1 dollar).
Apology accepted - if that wasn't sarcasm (I don't think it is, since you didn't use any emoticons or other non-verbal signs that you weren't serious). If it isn't sarcasm, then I applaud you for your civility. If it is sarcasm...well, it will only reinforce my initial impression that you are a zealot. Since I'd rather give you the benefit of the doubt, I'll settle for the former.
I mean, really, can't we just all get along? There's enough room for two desktops, especially since they're not tied to a specific OS and they are increasingly interoperable?
OS wars are bad enough, DE wars are downright ridiculous.
Oh, I'm a zealot, really? Why, I never...I mean, you're the one foaming at the mouth, while I express a personal preference, therefore I'm the zealot. Makes sense.
Rrrrright!
As far as I'm concerned, the "business users" have chosen neither GNOME nor KDE, but Windows. Some business users have chosen GNOME, others (like the folks at WETA digital) have chosen KDE. More importantly, GNOME and KDE, through the efforts of freedesktop.org, are coming together on common standards.
So, to sum it up: I am a real user who supports both KDE and GNOME and their effort to better integrate (while keeping a personal preference for KDE), and you are a zealot, who makes this KDE vs. GNOME thing into your own personal war. You're like a kid arguing that "the Xbox is waay cooler than the PS2" or vice-versa.
The truth is that KDE, IMO, has more feature, is better integrated and more customizeable - not to mention that QT as a development environment is a thing of beauty (or so my programming friends tell me - all I've done is a QTDesigner tutorial, and found it to be very user-friendly).
Also, K3B 0wnz any GNOME CD- or DVD-burning app, suXorz!!!:-)
When someone posts a tirade about the evil jews in Israel, it would be fairly obnoxious and off-topic for another party to take the opportunity to bring up NPR's clearly biased reporting of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
Now that's kind of off-topic...but you know, one can criticize (and criticize quite severely) the way that Israel is dealing with palestinians without going into Jew-bashing. A pretty good portion of the Jewish popupation in Israel is actually opposoed to their govt's handling of the situation. See Gush Shalom's site for an example.
Yeah, but I like KDE better. Should I switch to GNOME because it's got more companies behind it? Following your advocacy, shouldn't I then just switch to Windows?
FYI, Mandrake primarily supports KDE, so does Lindows, and now it seems that Debian and KDE are doing their own Desktop thingy.
There's room enough for both DEs. Enough with the flamewars already...
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How else would you do it? Cookies aren't reliable, nor is counting every single Google access.
I mean, obviously you must have an idea of how Google does it, right? So why don't you share it with us?
Linux zealots are so fucking insane...
Whatever. I've learned long ago not to take arguments from Anonymous Cowards seriously - especially when they're accompanied by insults. To me, just the fact that you used the words "Linux zealots" annihilates whatever credibility you may have had as an AC (which isn't a lot).
Current estimates for Linux market share place it at 2.5%, which is consistent with estimates from the Linux Counter.
BTW, Google may be a Linux company, but even they don't pretend that the Zeitgeist is an accurate measure of Market Share. If it was the case, why would people pay thousand of dollars for that kind of market research, hmm?
It seems logical that Google would associate OSes with individual IP addresses. This technique under-represents broadband users.
Let's assume that two users, one using broadband (i.e. Cable or DSL) and the other narrowband (i.e. modem), each access Google once every day for a month. The average broadband user is unlikely to change IP addresses more than once or twice over that time period (personally, my IP address usually lasts for about six months). The narrowband user, on the other hand, will likely change IP addresses every time he reconnects to the network - so it could have as many as 30 different IP addresses for a single month!
Since very few Linux users are narrowband users, it's easy to see how their number would be misrepresented by Google's index.
As far as IIS is concerned, I'm not talking about its other capabilities, but rather only of its web-serving component. As a web server, IIS has about half of Apache's market share, yet - still as a web server - it has more vulnerabilities.
And if it's not used, then it shouldn't be the target of worms - unless the service is on by default, which would be a very bad thing from a security point of view (and would support the argument that market share numbers have nothing to do with security lapses in design).
The kernel exploit you're talking about is a local exploit, not a remote one. No matter how you cut it, making a file executable simply through its file extension is bad security design. Google Zeitgeist is not an accurate measure of market share because it under-represents broadband users (whose IP addresses change much less often than narrowband users). The vast majority of Linux users (about 85%) use broadband, compared to about 35% for Windows users. The "popularity" argument has yet to be convincingly demonstrated. IIS is less popular than Apache for web-serving, yet there have been more exploits and vulnerabilities for IIS. This contradicts your theory. Fox News is a right-wing propaganda station. Before calling others clueless, perhaps you should get some clues of your own...
Well, intimidation is a gamble. What the mugger calls your bluff? Most won't, but there is a risk that he will? What if you miss, or the pain isn't enough for you to get the upper hand?
:-) I can see the slogan: "10 hours of play or two 10,000 volt shocks!"
I guess that, as in most mugging cases, it depends a lot of the situation. If you can feel that the mugger might be intimidated, then you can take the chance, personally I'd rather try to use it defensively.
The best weapon is always a sharp mind and a wise soul - though this tells me that Apple should think about marketing an iPod with integrated taser...
Excellent advice, but why waste time with a Taser to do it?
I wouldn't, but I can understand how it can effectively help self-defence if used well. I'm guessing that, as a martial arts practitioner, you would probably choose another type of weapon. But tasers (combined with basic self-defence training, of course) can be of help to others who might be less fit or strong than you are.
That said, I'm not necessarily advocating their use, just that they can indeed be useful in some situations, like mace or pepper spray. (Heck, if they weren't that fragile, eggshell flashbombs could be quite effective: "my wallet? sure...Flash! Whap, whap, kick, thud)
Therefore, if it's legal to do so, it's smarter to just carry a gun.
The key concept here is non-lethal (though I guess the pacemaker-wearing muggers are at risk...). It's certainly more effective using a gun (if you can - in most of the civilized world, you can't), but the risk of causing death is greater. And that's bad for your soul - or bad karma if you're more of a buddhist, like me...
Why should we care? Are you a mugger?
;-)
Seriously, I think it's quite obvious that a taser isn't a superweapon. That's not the point. The idea is that, if used right, it can provide an edge in a physical confrontation. The thing is to try to use the element of surprise provided by the sudden pain to use other self-defense maneuvers, possibly a disarming arm lock, or a strike to the throat, neck, groin, etc. - or even try to get away if possible. You're not supposed to waive it around menacingly! Like any weapon, they are only what you make of them - trust too much in their power and you may regret it.
Of course they're pretty useless against guns - I mean, you could try to use it if your life was threatened, but for a common mugging it's not worth the risk.
So, anyway, for your challenge to be fair, you'd have to accept to be caught unaware...
Not necessarily: the "meekness" factor, including the famous "turn the other cheek" and "love thy enemies" teachings (arguably some of the most powerful and controversial elements of the Christian religion) don't appear in either Jewish, Greek or Gnostic thought. Meekness before God(s), yes, but before other human beings? This total abandonment is distinctively buddhist in nature, IMO.
Well, he did vanish from Palestine for quite a few years (some say over a decade), then came back no longer a zealot (in the classical sense of the word) but rather a humanist philosopher. It seems that he had also learned healing techniques and remedies.
Since he was most certainly fleeing the romans, it would have made sense for him to go East, not West. He could easily followed the Silk road to India, and have been exposed to Buddhism while there (in addition to learning magic tricks and medical secrets).
Of course, all of this is just a bunch of supposition, but we don't have much more to go on when studying the "historical" Jesus.
Last I heard they were building a huge gas fired plant near Montreal since their hydro production cannot keep up with demand just in the provice of Quebec (in the short term they say).
That's not quite true. Right now, the production can barely keep up with domestic demand and exports. Since exports (to the States, mainly) are a big source of revenue for the utility, it creates a problematic situation.
As for the gas plant, it's far from a done deal - this project has been quite controversial, and the current govt. is already pretty low in opinion polls, so there's a very real chance it might get canned.
The reason Hydro-Quebec has "gotten into the car business" is simply that they developed the wheel motors. Since this technology possibly represents additional revenue, it makes sense that they would try to exploit it in partnership with others. As a Quebec taxpayer, I'm all for it - this would create jobs and bring in some money as well.
Isn't that due to not to poor performance, but rather to the lack of double-buffering? IIRC, the new freedesktop.org X server extensions by Keith Packard add a compositing layer, which would enable desktop double-buffering.
Just because they may use Linux doesn't mean they are part of the community. Their values run contrary to those of the community, and their actions bring harm to it, therefore it's safe to say that they are no longer part of it.
Two things here:
a) you can't put someone in jail due to their attitude or lifestyle, unless they actually commit crimes. He did commit crimes, he went to jail, he's paid his debt. End of story.
b) nothing indicates that he's committed more crimes since his release - in fact, he seems ready to put his expertise to good (i.e. honest) use. So at this time there's no reason to put in back in jail.
Well, it's his right not to reveal much about his project at this point. I'd probably do the same in his position. I think he probably knows that there's a good chance he'll make more money legitimately by helping telcos catch crook than by continuing with his scams. This is exactly what Frank Abagnale did, and in fact a lot of security experts followed the same path.
There would be quite a few lawyers ready to fill out a class action suit against MS on contingency. At some point, having lots of money makes you as much a tempting target as a fearsome opponent. In such a clear case of copyright infringement, MS would be hard-pressed to win, no matter how much money they threw at the thing.
The legal system may be defective in some areas, but it's nottotally broken. If money was all it took to win a case, then SCO (or Eolas, for that matter) would never have won against Microsoft...
One of them did do prison. He is now working on software to protect phone networks.
Please read the article. Thank you.
AFAIK Linux has supported IPv6 for a while now.
Many of the comments here are "SCO has yet to prove it", and yet people fail to realize that SCO does not yet have the *requirement* to prove it. In fact, to do so now would probably be a poor legal strategy.
You seem to be under the impression that, just like in TV shows and movies about lawyers and trials, one of the party can just come up with "surprise" evidence during the trial and thus checkmate its opponent. Unfortunately (for SCO), in real life the legal system doesn't work like that. You have to present and identify with sufficent precision all evidence during the discovery portion of the trial. SCO has failed to do so, and were ordered by the court to comply with IBM's discovery requests. In two weeks, if they can't present the evidence, then it's likely the judge will throw the case out.
For a SCO employee, you haven't been following this very closely...or perhaps you do believe your company's official propaganda! Personally, I don't think you're really a SCO employee at all, as I'm pretty sure they have strict orders not to discuss the case on Internet forums at all. You must simply be one of these anti-Linux trolls who see the SCO case as a chance to damage the OS's reputation.
Not theft. Copyright violation. Please learn the difference.
What will the judge say? If she has any sense (and judges usually do) she will ask that the situation be corrected. SCO has a duty to mitigate its damages, something which it hasn't done.
If damages were to be awarded for this, I'm pretty sure they would be symbolic (i.e. 1 dollar).
Man, I wish I had points to mod you up. What an excellent response!
I'm sorry, but when he did use them (against the kurds), he was an american ally and remained so for another two years.
Watch out for the propaganda machine.
Apology accepted - if that wasn't sarcasm (I don't think it is, since you didn't use any emoticons or other non-verbal signs that you weren't serious). If it isn't sarcasm, then I applaud you for your civility. If it is sarcasm...well, it will only reinforce my initial impression that you are a zealot. Since I'd rather give you the benefit of the doubt, I'll settle for the former.
I mean, really, can't we just all get along? There's enough room for two desktops, especially since they're not tied to a specific OS and they are increasingly interoperable? OS wars are bad enough, DE wars are downright ridiculous.
Oh, I'm a zealot, really? Why, I never...I mean, you're the one foaming at the mouth, while I express a personal preference, therefore I'm the zealot. Makes sense.
:-)
Rrrrright!
As far as I'm concerned, the "business users" have chosen neither GNOME nor KDE, but Windows. Some business users have chosen GNOME, others (like the folks at WETA digital) have chosen KDE. More importantly, GNOME and KDE, through the efforts of freedesktop.org, are coming together on common standards.
So, to sum it up: I am a real user who supports both KDE and GNOME and their effort to better integrate (while keeping a personal preference for KDE), and you are a zealot, who makes this KDE vs. GNOME thing into your own personal war. You're like a kid arguing that "the Xbox is waay cooler than the PS2" or vice-versa.
The truth is that KDE, IMO, has more feature, is better integrated and more customizeable - not to mention that QT as a development environment is a thing of beauty (or so my programming friends tell me - all I've done is a QTDesigner tutorial, and found it to be very user-friendly).
Also, K3B 0wnz any GNOME CD- or DVD-burning app, suXorz!!!
When someone posts a tirade about the evil jews in Israel, it would be fairly obnoxious and off-topic for another party to take the opportunity to bring up NPR's clearly biased reporting of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
Now that's kind of off-topic...but you know, one can criticize (and criticize quite severely) the way that Israel is dealing with palestinians without going into Jew-bashing. A pretty good portion of the Jewish popupation in Israel is actually opposoed to their govt's handling of the situation. See Gush Shalom's site for an example.
Yeah, but I like KDE better. Should I switch to GNOME because it's got more companies behind it? Following your advocacy, shouldn't I then just switch to Windows?
FYI, Mandrake primarily supports KDE, so does Lindows, and now it seems that Debian and KDE are doing their own Desktop thingy.
There's room enough for both DEs. Enough with the flamewars already...