SNAP is far too low. I have seen families try to live on SNAP. I'll meet you part way at 300 for food, clothing and toiletries. Remember, kids grow fast. $750 for rent? You can not live anywhere I know of for $750 that has a decent economy. Assuming that you want people to live where jobs are let's say 1200 for some place with a decent economy in a place that isn't a death trap.
$100 is still two low for utilities. I have a family of 2 in a 1400 sq. foot house and electric, water, sewer, natural gas, trash disposal etc. run us about $200 and we get nieghborhood awards from the utilities for being thrifty.
Gas is the highest expense of a car. at 55 cents per mile if you commute 5 days a week 10 miles one way that is 11 dollars a day, 55 dollars a week, 220 dollars a month. If both parents commute $440 a month.
So we have $440 + $200 + $1200 + $300 + $800. Now lets throw in $300/month for savings.
We end up with 3240 per month or 38880 per year. Maybe it can go a little lower but 18K is sick a joke.
Why are we dragging people down? Isn't the idea to generate more wealth so everyone benefits? That's a really poor argument as economies exist only to benefit people. An economy is an artifact to get people what they want and need. If it doesn't do that the economy is broken.
"So Britain's system of universal, government-run healthcare drives people to suicide and... you think that's an argument for universal, government-run healthcare?"
Hey the insurance companies in the US do the same thing. They have death panels that decide who will live and who will die based on whether they decide to cover a procedure or not.
Based on my back of the envelop 18K will NOT take care of the basics:
rent or mortgage (in my area) 1700/month Food/clothing/toiletries etc. 400/month utilities 200/month transportation (if the cars are paid for) 250/month Health care (if there is employer matching) 800/month
so we are looking at a net 3350/month
or about 40K/year. Note there is no provision for savings or recreation in these numbers.
You got the point. We give some wealth and power to the government(s) in return for services. No government is not an option, responsible government is.
"public roads" Well besides public roads what has government ever done for us? "Well there is is an educated work force" OK, besides public roads and an educated work force what has government ever done for us? "Traffic control" OK, besides public roads, traffic control, and an educated work force what has government ever done for us? "The internet" OK, besides public roads, traffic control, an educated work force, and the internet what has government ever done for us? "Basic RnD into AI." OK, besides public roads, traffic control, an educated work force, the internet, and AI what has government ever done for us? etc.
Basically they want all the benefits of government without paying for it. Basic libertarian crap. Government isn't injected into the economy, it is an integral part of the economy. It always has been, back to Hammurabi and the Pharaohs, and always will be.That will never change and there will always be winners and losers. The basic question becomes what sort of society we want; one where there is opportunity and economic security for the many, or opportunity and economic security for the few. Civilization vs. brutality.
I know which one I want and I am willing to pay for it.
Were you dealing with contractors? I and many others I have known have worked holidays, weekends, nights, birthdays, etc. and ended up getting screwed.
That's the fallacy of "Globalization" right there. It does not pull people up, it drags them down. Instead of better salaries, worker and environmental protection laws, investments in infrastructure, and overall improves quality of life it does just the opposite. That is why it must be destroyed.
If you have projects scattered over several countries and regions at any point in time you have a high probability of one or more teams out on a religious, seasonal, traditional, or other such holiday. Throw in cultural, time zone, and language barriers in addition to slippage due to lack of face to face communications and distributed projects make no sense.
I have seen US workers work weekends, out of hours and holidays for my entire career. Often covering for contractors and overseas Asian teams who never seem to be available outside of their regular hours. Also they seem to be impossible to contact during their month long holidays no mater the crisis the customers are having. They just lack the the Protestant work ethic.
And the US workers who "go the extra mile" get laid off anyway. I can only attribute it to race and national origin discrimination.
I have never seen either onshore or offshore Asians works more than 40 hrs a week while my US co-workers covered for them out of hours or during their month long holidays. I have seen US workers work on Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, and the 4th of July (which should be illegal IMHO) only to be laid off. I don't buy it.
I might as well stay home with a 6 pack in my cooler. I like the interaction between patrons and staff. If it comes to that I probably won't go out for my pints on a regular basis ever again.
Stop ragging on millennials. This is a much older pattern where the establishment elite reinforce their own success. Most millennials I have met have been good people.
I was going to throw in the description "an intellectually inbred" organization where no real innovation will come from. Innovation usually comes from imaginative outsiders in the arts and sciences. This is just a mutual admiration club that will reinforce the current establishment.
Remember, innovation and entrepreneurship is not the same thing. Starting a business and getting funding is not the same as developing new technologies.
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SNAP is far too low. I have seen families try to live on SNAP. I'll meet you part way at 300 for food, clothing and toiletries. Remember, kids grow fast. $750 for rent? You can not live anywhere I know of for $750 that has a decent economy. Assuming that you want people to live where jobs are let's say 1200 for some place with a decent economy in a place that isn't a death trap.
$100 is still two low for utilities. I have a family of 2 in a 1400 sq. foot house and electric, water, sewer, natural gas, trash disposal etc. run us about $200 and we get nieghborhood awards from the utilities for being thrifty.
Gas is the highest expense of a car. at 55 cents per mile if you commute 5 days a week 10 miles one way that is 11 dollars a day, 55 dollars a week, 220 dollars a month. If both parents commute $440 a month.
So we have $440 + $200 + $1200 + $300 + $800. Now lets throw in $300/month for savings.
We end up with 3240 per month or 38880 per year. Maybe it can go a little lower but 18K is sick a joke.
"Expecting certain trading partners to go to a U.S. minimum wage overnight is too much."
Who says? Why? You just raise wages one pay period. Done and done.
Let's just reinstate slavery!
It's not protectionism if everyone plays by the same rules.
Why are we dragging people down? Isn't the idea to generate more wealth so everyone benefits? That's a really poor argument as economies exist only to benefit people. An economy is an artifact to get people what they want and need. If it doesn't do that the economy is broken.
"So Britain's system of universal, government-run healthcare drives people to suicide and... you think that's an argument for universal, government-run healthcare?"
Hey the insurance companies in the US do the same thing. They have death panels that decide who will live and who will die based on whether they decide to cover a procedure or not.
Based on my back of the envelop 18K will NOT take care of the basics:
rent or mortgage (in my area) 1700/month
Food/clothing/toiletries etc. 400/month
utilities 200/month
transportation (if the cars are paid for) 250/month
Health care (if there is employer matching) 800/month
so we are looking at a net 3350/month
or about 40K/year. Note there is no provision for savings or recreation in these numbers.
the majority of the world already lives in poverty so no real change.
ummmmm yeah..... your number include the liquid portion. In addition you are falling victim to the fallacy of averages (in this case the mean).
You got the point. We give some wealth and power to the government(s) in return for services. No government is not an option, responsible government is.
"public roads"
Well besides public roads what has government ever done for us?
"Well there is is an educated work force"
OK, besides public roads and an educated work force what has government ever done for us?
"Traffic control"
OK, besides public roads, traffic control, and an educated work force what has government ever done for us?
"The internet"
OK, besides public roads, traffic control, an educated work force, and the internet what has government ever done for us?
"Basic RnD into AI."
OK, besides public roads, traffic control, an educated work force, the internet, and AI what has government ever done for us?
etc.
Basically they want all the benefits of government without paying for it. Basic libertarian crap. Government isn't injected into the economy, it is an integral part of the economy. It always has been, back to Hammurabi and the Pharaohs, and always will be.That will never change and there will always be winners and losers. The basic question becomes what sort of society we want; one where there is opportunity and economic security for the many, or opportunity and economic security for the few. Civilization vs. brutality.
I know which one I want and I am willing to pay for it.
Were you dealing with contractors? I and many others I have known have worked holidays, weekends, nights, birthdays, etc. and ended up getting screwed.
so there.
They can help load the cattle cars
That's the fallacy of "Globalization" right there. It does not pull people up, it drags them down. Instead of better salaries, worker and environmental protection laws, investments in infrastructure, and overall improves quality of life it does just the opposite. That is why it must be destroyed.
If you have projects scattered over several countries and regions at any point in time you have a high probability of one or more teams out on a religious, seasonal, traditional, or other such holiday. Throw in cultural, time zone, and language barriers in addition to slippage due to lack of face to face communications and distributed projects make no sense.
I have seen US workers work weekends, out of hours and holidays for my entire career. Often covering for contractors and overseas Asian teams who never seem to be available outside of their regular hours. Also they seem to be impossible to contact during their month long holidays no mater the crisis the customers are having.
They just lack the the Protestant work ethic.
And the US workers who "go the extra mile" get laid off anyway. I can only attribute it to race and national origin discrimination.
"They however do work a lot longer hours"
I have never seen either onshore or offshore Asians works more than 40 hrs a week while my US co-workers covered for them out of hours or during their month long holidays. I have seen US workers work on Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, and the 4th of July (which should be illegal IMHO) only to be laid off. I don't buy it.
you can live for decades in a nursing home on medicare. Would you want to? Also what happens when medicare goes away?
I might as well stay home with a 6 pack in my cooler. I like the interaction between patrons and staff. If it comes to that I probably won't go out for my pints on a regular basis ever again.
Starvation works too. If the starving get unruly fire up the drones, terminators, and robo-cops.
Stop ragging on millennials. This is a much older pattern where the establishment elite reinforce their own success. Most millennials I have met have been good people.
Remove the super delegates and she lost the nomination.
I was going to throw in the description "an intellectually inbred" organization where no real innovation will come from. Innovation usually comes from imaginative outsiders in the arts and sciences. This is just a mutual admiration club that will reinforce the current establishment.
Remember, innovation and entrepreneurship is not the same thing. Starting a business and getting funding is not the same as developing new technologies.
pump water into reservoirs. energy stored. (half joking)