I think you're missing the point, C++ is a language, (nearly) everything you are talking about here is related to IDE's. Thats not to say what you have said is not valid, but IDE's are frilly text editors and its compilers that use the C++ language (or any other language) to generate machine code (FYI most compilers have a 'generate list' switch that will give you the same disassmbly output as you're used to with PIC compilers - I guess because they tend to be huge they are off by default.)
Thats where the problem comes, the compilers very rarely adhere to the language standard, for example the first 100% compliant C++ compiler Comeau/Dinkum(http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryit out/) was released as recently as August 2002.
C++ has its faults, the same as any other mature language but I prefer it as my weapon of choice for the parts of large applications where I need to get close to the HW, and C if I've got to get really close.
As much as I use the same old languages I do find myself changing editor far more often trying to find something that does everything, still mostly jumping between MSDEV and Emacs.
A lot of this discussion seems very inward looking, cars, internet, etc.. If you take a look at countries in africa (that still exist outside of new stories) Outside of the cities you're lucky if there's power, but pick up your clockwork radio, turn the handle and away you go, not just the BBC world service, but again local stations.
We may be moving on to DAB and other marvellous wizzbang contraptions, but there is a lot to be said for vanilla AM radio for keeping in touch with going's on, music is just a bonus.
As for the RIAA I think thats a different, separate matter - especially when most people don't live in america, granted a lot of music comes from there but still last time I checked my passport wasn't american.
Fully automated firing on offensive targets is a short step behind
They're making these things in California right? I guess the fashion police are going to have a new toy.
Personally I'm curious about what happens next.
Its not clear cut that the RIAA are right (I mean in a legal sense - not what you or I feel about it all) When that eventually gets sorted out, does that mean we see more of this (hey maybe a special rate for minors?) if it goes their way. Or what if it goes against the RIAA, would that then open them to rather a few law suits. I can see it now "RIAA bankrupted by 12 year old kid!" I'll drink to that
Its funny, you try to fight your fear and loathing of ms each time they come out with these things just to give them a fair hearing, but they always seem to be up to no good.
On a UK news/comment program Newsnight a couple of weeks ago they had a slug from MS proclaiming that they wanted to eradicate spam because of the amount of time and money wasted and in some case disruption/destruction (although no mention of the fact a lot of this is down to weak security/odd undocumented features in MS products)
The interviewer turned the arguement on its head asking about spam coming from MS, citing that he had received some from them in the passed without asking as many others do. He would not answer directly as whether this was spam - eventually the MS suit stopped ducking and managed to say, we're working with legislators on that.
So what does that mean, Government Sanctioned Spam, or getting a Licence to Spam, you can be sure they are going to try to look after themselves with this.
One last point. Did MS solve the security issues in its SW, before moving on the next topic of the moment and save/rid the world of spam?
Ignoring the actual arguement about the functions used the first example will work occasionally, and its hard to spot by eye.
The difference between safety critical apps and business attitudes to that sort of fault is understandably quite different. If in Business the project enters a period of diminishing returns i.e. 'it doesn't matter too much' it will (correctly imo) be left in.
Safety critical may demand that it has to be removed (anybody for a scambled HUD in a fighter?) at this point diminishing returns don't feature. Just depends on weather its on a critical path and weather its a real threat
I currently work for a white goods manufacturer (ok I'm sorry I'll leave now). The marketing guff goes so much deeper than you realise, here at 'Advanced engineering' >snigger we do the typical circuit and embedded SW design and other engineering functions. Ocassionally we have ideas, theres not much else to do in a day so why not. When you take a new idea to marketing you get a response along this line.
marketing - "oh wow thats really cool, how many of these things get sold a year at the moment"
engineer - "well none, we just thought it up"
marketing - "so theres no market for it then"
engineer - "its a new market"
marketing - "thats still 100% of nothing"
Imagine who gets it in the neck when company X comes out with the same thing 6 months later - us for not seeing this coming.
Excuse me I have to go and take one of my stress pills now...
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How's this thing with conservation of momentum?
Assuming it can break, heavy use of balanced torque should so it, It doesn't seem to have much of a wheel base. That time diagram reckons zero turning circle. How ? go - stop - turn- go - etc. Corners are definitely going to be fun. The center of gravity is so high in relation to the axl height - at least it can't jack knife !
Crashed my motorbike sounds so much better than fell off my ginger!!
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I think you're missing the point, C++ is a language, (nearly) everything you are talking about here is related to IDE's. Thats not to say what you have said is not valid, but IDE's are frilly text editors and its compilers that use the C++ language (or any other language) to generate machine code (FYI most compilers have a 'generate list' switch that will give you the same disassmbly output as you're used to with PIC compilers - I guess because they tend to be huge they are off by default.) Thats where the problem comes, the compilers very rarely adhere to the language standard, for example the first 100% compliant C++ compiler Comeau/Dinkum(http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryit out/) was released as recently as August 2002.
C++ has its faults, the same as any other mature language but I prefer it as my weapon of choice for the parts of large applications where I need to get close to the HW, and C if I've got to get really close.
As much as I use the same old languages I do find myself changing editor far more often trying to find something that does everything, still mostly jumping between MSDEV and Emacs.
A lot of this discussion seems very inward looking, cars, internet, etc.. If you take a look at countries in africa (that still exist outside of new stories) Outside of the cities you're lucky if there's power, but pick up your clockwork radio, turn the handle and away you go, not just the BBC world service, but again local stations.
We may be moving on to DAB and other marvellous wizzbang contraptions, but there is a lot to be said for vanilla AM radio for keeping in touch with going's on, music is just a bonus.
As for the RIAA I think thats a different, separate matter - especially when most people don't live in america, granted a lot of music comes from there but still last time I checked my passport wasn't american.
Fully automated firing on offensive targets is a short step behind
They're making these things in California right? I guess the fashion police are going to have a new toy.
Etch a sketch is the way (well until you go over a bump anyway!
Yes, but now the toaster has to come with ctrl, alt and delete keys.
Personally I'm curious about what happens next.
Its not clear cut that the RIAA are right (I mean in a legal sense - not what you or I feel about it all) When that eventually gets sorted out, does that mean we see more of this (hey maybe a special rate for minors?) if it goes their way. Or what if it goes against the RIAA, would that then open them to rather a few law suits.
I can see it now "RIAA bankrupted by 12 year old kid!"
I'll drink to that
Its funny, you try to fight your fear and loathing of ms each time they come out with these things just to give them a fair hearing, but they always seem to be up to no good.
On a UK news/comment program Newsnight a couple of weeks ago they had a slug from MS proclaiming that they wanted to eradicate spam because of the amount of time and money wasted and in some case disruption/destruction (although no mention of the fact a lot of this is down to weak security/odd undocumented features in MS products)
The interviewer turned the arguement on its head asking about spam coming from MS, citing that he had received some from them in the passed without asking as many others do. He would not answer directly as whether this was spam - eventually the MS suit stopped ducking and managed to say, we're working with legislators on that.
So what does that mean, Government Sanctioned Spam, or getting a Licence to Spam, you can be sure they are going to try to look after themselves with this.
One last point. Did MS solve the security issues in its SW, before moving on the next topic of the moment and save/rid the world of spam?
I used to get run over by tanks everyday, but after play GTA it doesn't happen so much.
Most left in bugs are not actually that hard to solve. A lot come down to typographical syntaxically correct mistakes.
Granted at the end of most projects the bugs that remain are hard to find but not always hard to solve, consider the following
str2 = (char *)malloc(strlen(str1 + 1)); and
str2 = (char *)malloc(strlen(str1)+ 1));
Ignoring the actual arguement about the functions used the first example will work occasionally, and its hard to spot by eye.
The difference between safety critical apps and business attitudes to that sort of fault is understandably quite different. If in Business the project enters a period of diminishing returns i.e. 'it doesn't matter too much' it will (correctly imo) be left in.
Safety critical may demand that it has to be removed (anybody for a scambled HUD in a fighter?) at this point diminishing returns don't feature. Just depends on weather its on a critical path and weather its a real threat
I currently work for a white goods manufacturer (ok I'm sorry I'll leave now). The marketing guff goes so much deeper than you realise, here at 'Advanced engineering' >snigger we do the typical circuit and embedded SW design and other engineering functions. Ocassionally we have ideas, theres not much else to do in a day so why not. When you take a new idea to marketing you get a response along this line. marketing - "oh wow thats really cool, how many of these things get sold a year at the moment" engineer - "well none, we just thought it up" marketing - "so theres no market for it then" engineer - "its a new market" marketing - "thats still 100% of nothing" Imagine who gets it in the neck when company X comes out with the same thing 6 months later - us for not seeing this coming. Excuse me I have to go and take one of my stress pills now...
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How's this thing with conservation of momentum?
Assuming it can break, heavy use of balanced torque should so it, It doesn't seem to have much of a wheel base. That time diagram reckons zero turning circle. How ? go - stop - turn- go - etc. Corners are definitely going to be fun. The center of gravity is so high in relation to the axl height - at least it can't jack knife !
Crashed my motorbike sounds so much better than fell off my ginger!!