No, it would have just saved people from having to read all the way to the end of your poorly thought out paragraph to see that you compare trash collection with state worship... Then checking the author, seeing "tmosley", and again cursing Slashdot's lack of an ignore option.
Yes, we do. You just refuse to understand that sometimes LIBERTARIAN principles are an ideal that doesn't work in the real world in every situation, and things like having people compost shit aren't the huge affront to liberties that people like you make them out to be.
A whole bunch of new and existing companies jump on this hugely expanded market, and households/buildings start paying individually for their trash collection.
Don't forget all of the newly created accounting jobs that have to keep track of who has paid to have their garbage picked up, and all of the new bill collecting jobs for people who track down deadbeats that don't pay their bills! It'll be awesome to have all that duplicated effort!
Wow, someone points out that Apple makes more profit off of their customers and you just go off with a big flame that gets modded to +4. I guess making observations about people buying overpriced hardware -- which Apple has *always* been known for -- counts as blind hatred these days.
I've never, personally, denied that the iPhone is a good piece of hardware. My issues with Apple have never been with the build quality. But lots of other manufacturers make quality phones too. The thing is, nothing will ever change the fact that it's all just consumer electronics junk.
It would be a lot easier to take *anything* you say seriously if your examples about how awful your experiences with Android hardware have been weren't such obviously huge exaggerations. And I'm not referring to only this post but every single one you've made in this thread that ends with a paragraph about how bad Android is.
If the iPhone and iOS are really as awesome as you claim then you shouldn't need to lie about the competition to make it sound better.
Android is not a company. It's completely irrelevant if 200 companies combined can outsell one (1) company if that single company outsells each of them individually. Just because Motorola and Samsung makes Android phones doesn't mean they are BFFs. Every single Android phone maker competes with all the other Android vendors. Apple makes 52% of all the whole phone profits. All the other 200 phone maker have to share the remaining 48%.
Here's what most Apple fans fail to understand: most of the rest of us don't give a shit about *any* company. I don't care if Apple or Motorola or HTC or Samsung have the largest marketshare; all I care about is having choices. Apple's ecosystem gives you *no* choice -- if you want an iOS device, it comes from Apple. If you buy accessories, they will *only* work with Apple hardware. If you buy software, it will *only* work with Apple hardware. If at some point in the future you don't want Apple hardware, you're also throwing away all of the rest of your investments.
In the Android ecosystem, there are a multitude of choices in terms of manufacturer and price point. If I buy an HTC device now, when I'm later looking to upgrade I'm not locked into buying from HTC again, because my software will work on a Samsung phone. My accessories will work with any device that supports a USB interface. I'm not stuck with a single manufacturer to make use of all of my older stuff.
I'm willing to have some stuff that doesn't "just work" if it means I get more choices out of the deal -- the funny thing being that Apple does not and has never had stuff that always "just works," so I'm really not making much of a sacrifice there. Every consumer computing device ever has had at least a few bugs, and you learn to work around them (or, in the case of Apple fanbois, deny them).
If that's true, why can I buy 100,000 battery cradles, camera add ons, cases, credit card readers, sushi makers and personal massager extensions for my iphone but there are barely any Android specific accessories besides a few cases and some carrier marketed dash/desk mounts
This is one of my biggest gripes with Apple and their ethics.
So the dock connector does all this great stuff and lots of devices have them, yet Apple won't sell *anyone* license to make devices with the female end of the connector. This means that every fucking device in the future that supports mobile devices will have to support Apple's interface, and Everybody Else's interface, or choose one of the two. This pisses me off as a customer because in the past, somehow, many competing hardware manufacturers managed to coexist in just about every sector of the electronics market. You don't buy a TV that only works with Sony DVD players. You don't buy a tape deck that will only work with Denon amplifiers. You buy whatever you need and hook it up to whatever you have. THIS IS A GOOD MODEL.
Apple's working really fucking hard to try to lock everyone into their own hardware ecosystem through a combination of proprietary OS and proprietary connectors to eliminate customer choices in the marketplace. I'm not going to argue that it's a bad idea -- from their end, it's an *awesome* idea. But from my end, it fucking sucks because I won't ever again be able to buy Apple hardware even if I wanted it because I have no interest in being locked into Apple as my only hardware provider. And then we have people like you who cheer them on with their proprietary nature.
Currently Apple has a huge amount of inertia and is the only interface that's being supported, but that *will* slowly start to change. It will probably take 5-10 years (hell, it took 5-10 years before Apple's dock connector became so ubiquitous), but we *will* start seeing standard connectors on Android devices and they *will* eventually drive Apple's proprietary garbage to the 7-10% marketshare that Apple has traditionally occupied, and Apple customers can live there happily while the rest of us are offered actual choices.
Maybe trolling isn't the right word, but threadjacking a discussion about your pedantic definition of right and wrong is certainly annoying to someone not interested in your position about moral relativity as it relates to a story about alternative medicine.
Most of the Tea Party does NOT have a problem with increased taxes. We have a problem with increased taxes being wasted on more bloated ineffective programs and bailouts.
And this is why nobody takes the tea party seriously: these two things are their rallying cry, as if it's some sort of profound idea.
Hint: EVERYBODY thinks that, it's a base assumption by every party that anything you spend money on isn't just a bloated, ineffective program or bailout. Nobody comes to the table saying, "oh hey, we need more bloat and bailouts." For some reason though, the tea partiers seem to think they are the only ones with this radical idea, and that everyone else is fine with just throwing money down a hole and then paying someone to cover the hole.
The fact of the matter is that some money does get 'wasted,' but even the wasted money doesn't just disappear: it goes to pay someone for something and then they use it to live their life. The challenge is making sure that we get enough utility for our dollars -- that the spending is effective. Even if you somehow managed to cut every wasteful job, you don't just magically get to declare the problem solved, because now you have a bunch of people who don't have jobs and the greater economy needs to find a way to absorb them. (Note that I'm not arguing for a broken window fallacy here -- I'm just stating that the problem isn't as simple as "no bloat, no bailouts")
My understanding is this-- that the problem is, were republicans to compromise and increase taxes, increase debt ceiling, etc, everything the dems wanted, and in return secured cuts of several hundred billion, all the cuts would be postponed over the next 10 years so that they never happened, and meanwhile taxes WOULD be higher and borrowing would continue.
And what Fox News talk show gave you this understanding?
Governments will NEVER want to lower spending
Oh, but they do if they have to. During our first recession in the early 2000s, I worked at a state university that suffered *massive* funding cuts several years in a row. It was a conservative state, so naturally conservatives are just better at cutting spending than liberals, right? Well, no, because the state university right across the border voted predominantly democrats, and they *also* had massive funding cuts several years in a row.
During this current recession the city I live in has made massive budget cuts across the board, to the point that the "conservatives" are complaining that we need to spend more money on police enforcement (no suggestions for where that money comes from) because the property crimes division was absorbed into a larger organization within the PD.
It can happen, and it does happen, and your "understanding" is basically just a worthless talking point.
You can rationalize it any way you like too, but there are douchebags on both sides. The fact that you try to make it out as Apple fans being perfectly reasonable, and Android fans being jealous douches plants you firmly in Apple douche territory.
Agreed 100% on everything except the details of letting individuals donate without limits, but I'd be perfectly willing to make that compromise to get the rest in place.
--Jeremy
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It turned out, though, that the Occupy movement was just the same old agitators, with a little more substantial marketing campaign behind them. The occupy movement is now, clearly, a leftist subset of the democrat party, with the same old, tired, socialist screeds. If they had kept it as a protest movement against corruption and granting political favors, I would have supported them. When one of the primary components became losers whining about their student loans, they had obviously taken their eyes off the target.
At least it didn't go the direction of the Tea Party -- I was very interested in their message, until I go to the official website and it starts mentioning abortion and gay marriage. Again, way to take your eyes off the target. Same old Republican talking points with the same old, tired conservative screeds. Then they started blaming bailouts on Obama, start confusing TARP with the stimulus package, and basically start sounding like a bunch of idiots and it was pretty tough to take them seriously.
And at least someone that's mad about not being able to find a job after being saddled with student loans is still mad about a financial issue. The Tea Party couldn't even keep their message that focused.
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No, it would have just saved people from having to read all the way to the end of your poorly thought out paragraph to see that you compare trash collection with state worship... Then checking the author, seeing "tmosley", and again cursing Slashdot's lack of an ignore option.
--Jeremy
You don't understand LIBERTARIAN principles.
Yes, we do. You just refuse to understand that sometimes LIBERTARIAN principles are an ideal that doesn't work in the real world in every situation, and things like having people compost shit aren't the huge affront to liberties that people like you make them out to be.
--Jeremy
A whole bunch of new and existing companies jump on this hugely expanded market, and households/buildings start paying individually for their trash collection.
Don't forget all of the newly created accounting jobs that have to keep track of who has paid to have their garbage picked up, and all of the new bill collecting jobs for people who track down deadbeats that don't pay their bills! It'll be awesome to have all that duplicated effort!
--Jeremy
Now lock it and put it away for a couple of hours. Now unlock it: quick, where does "Back" take you?
What you are saying is completely true, however it also completely misses the point and completely ignores actual usage.
I don't give a shit about what I was doing a couple hours ago; I care about what I was doing a couple seconds ago.
--Jeremy
Wow, someone points out that Apple makes more profit off of their customers and you just go off with a big flame that gets modded to +4. I guess making observations about people buying overpriced hardware -- which Apple has *always* been known for -- counts as blind hatred these days.
I've never, personally, denied that the iPhone is a good piece of hardware. My issues with Apple have never been with the build quality. But lots of other manufacturers make quality phones too. The thing is, nothing will ever change the fact that it's all just consumer electronics junk.
--Jeremy
It would be a lot easier to take *anything* you say seriously if your examples about how awful your experiences with Android hardware have been weren't such obviously huge exaggerations. And I'm not referring to only this post but every single one you've made in this thread that ends with a paragraph about how bad Android is.
If the iPhone and iOS are really as awesome as you claim then you shouldn't need to lie about the competition to make it sound better.
--Jeremy
No, you're just an AC posting strawman arguments.
--Jeremy
Android is not a company. It's completely irrelevant if 200 companies combined can outsell one (1) company if that single company outsells each of them individually. Just because Motorola and Samsung makes Android phones doesn't mean they are BFFs. Every single Android phone maker competes with all the other Android vendors. Apple makes 52% of all the whole phone profits. All the other 200 phone maker have to share the remaining 48%.
Here's what most Apple fans fail to understand: most of the rest of us don't give a shit about *any* company. I don't care if Apple or Motorola or HTC or Samsung have the largest marketshare; all I care about is having choices. Apple's ecosystem gives you *no* choice -- if you want an iOS device, it comes from Apple. If you buy accessories, they will *only* work with Apple hardware. If you buy software, it will *only* work with Apple hardware. If at some point in the future you don't want Apple hardware, you're also throwing away all of the rest of your investments.
In the Android ecosystem, there are a multitude of choices in terms of manufacturer and price point. If I buy an HTC device now, when I'm later looking to upgrade I'm not locked into buying from HTC again, because my software will work on a Samsung phone. My accessories will work with any device that supports a USB interface. I'm not stuck with a single manufacturer to make use of all of my older stuff.
I'm willing to have some stuff that doesn't "just work" if it means I get more choices out of the deal -- the funny thing being that Apple does not and has never had stuff that always "just works," so I'm really not making much of a sacrifice there. Every consumer computing device ever has had at least a few bugs, and you learn to work around them (or, in the case of Apple fanbois, deny them).
--Jeremy
If that's true, why can I buy 100,000 battery cradles, camera add ons, cases, credit card readers, sushi makers and personal massager extensions for my iphone but there are barely any Android specific accessories besides a few cases and some carrier marketed dash/desk mounts
This is one of my biggest gripes with Apple and their ethics.
So the dock connector does all this great stuff and lots of devices have them, yet Apple won't sell *anyone* license to make devices with the female end of the connector. This means that every fucking device in the future that supports mobile devices will have to support Apple's interface, and Everybody Else's interface, or choose one of the two. This pisses me off as a customer because in the past, somehow, many competing hardware manufacturers managed to coexist in just about every sector of the electronics market. You don't buy a TV that only works with Sony DVD players. You don't buy a tape deck that will only work with Denon amplifiers. You buy whatever you need and hook it up to whatever you have. THIS IS A GOOD MODEL.
Apple's working really fucking hard to try to lock everyone into their own hardware ecosystem through a combination of proprietary OS and proprietary connectors to eliminate customer choices in the marketplace. I'm not going to argue that it's a bad idea -- from their end, it's an *awesome* idea. But from my end, it fucking sucks because I won't ever again be able to buy Apple hardware even if I wanted it because I have no interest in being locked into Apple as my only hardware provider. And then we have people like you who cheer them on with their proprietary nature.
Currently Apple has a huge amount of inertia and is the only interface that's being supported, but that *will* slowly start to change. It will probably take 5-10 years (hell, it took 5-10 years before Apple's dock connector became so ubiquitous), but we *will* start seeing standard connectors on Android devices and they *will* eventually drive Apple's proprietary garbage to the 7-10% marketshare that Apple has traditionally occupied, and Apple customers can live there happily while the rest of us are offered actual choices.
--Jeremy
You could lead by example.
Which was *exactly* what he said he did in a paragraph you failed to quote.
you could just be a good host and provide bottled water without the lecture.
The mind boggles. Being a good host means having shitty bottled water now? I guess I'm out of touch.
--Jeremy
Slashdot Tenet: Algore is Our Heavenly Father, and Obama his only mortal Son.
This isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black. This is a case of the pot calling the porcelain sink black.
And even if you were just trying to be funny, it was a pretty weak attempt.
--Jeremy
Maybe trolling isn't the right word, but threadjacking a discussion about your pedantic definition of right and wrong is certainly annoying to someone not interested in your position about moral relativity as it relates to a story about alternative medicine.
--Jeremy
Slashdot has plenty of factually incorrect +5 posts.
--Jeremy
Wait a minute. So you're saying that AGW is false because no climate scientists have murdered BP executives?
--Jeremy
Most of the Tea Party does NOT have a problem with increased taxes. We have a problem with increased taxes being wasted on more bloated ineffective programs and bailouts.
And this is why nobody takes the tea party seriously: these two things are their rallying cry, as if it's some sort of profound idea.
Hint: EVERYBODY thinks that, it's a base assumption by every party that anything you spend money on isn't just a bloated, ineffective program or bailout. Nobody comes to the table saying, "oh hey, we need more bloat and bailouts." For some reason though, the tea partiers seem to think they are the only ones with this radical idea, and that everyone else is fine with just throwing money down a hole and then paying someone to cover the hole.
The fact of the matter is that some money does get 'wasted,' but even the wasted money doesn't just disappear: it goes to pay someone for something and then they use it to live their life. The challenge is making sure that we get enough utility for our dollars -- that the spending is effective. Even if you somehow managed to cut every wasteful job, you don't just magically get to declare the problem solved, because now you have a bunch of people who don't have jobs and the greater economy needs to find a way to absorb them. (Note that I'm not arguing for a broken window fallacy here -- I'm just stating that the problem isn't as simple as "no bloat, no bailouts")
--Jeremy
My understanding is this-- that the problem is, were republicans to compromise and increase taxes, increase debt ceiling, etc, everything the dems wanted, and in return secured cuts of several hundred billion, all the cuts would be postponed over the next 10 years so that they never happened, and meanwhile taxes WOULD be higher and borrowing would continue.
And what Fox News talk show gave you this understanding?
Governments will NEVER want to lower spending
Oh, but they do if they have to. During our first recession in the early 2000s, I worked at a state university that suffered *massive* funding cuts several years in a row. It was a conservative state, so naturally conservatives are just better at cutting spending than liberals, right? Well, no, because the state university right across the border voted predominantly democrats, and they *also* had massive funding cuts several years in a row.
During this current recession the city I live in has made massive budget cuts across the board, to the point that the "conservatives" are complaining that we need to spend more money on police enforcement (no suggestions for where that money comes from) because the property crimes division was absorbed into a larger organization within the PD.
It can happen, and it does happen, and your "understanding" is basically just a worthless talking point.
--Jeremy
Heh, No True Scotsman, eh?
--Jeremy
Islamofascist
I love scary sounding made-up nonsense words. They make it easy to spot people to ignore.
--Jeremy
You mean they became real people when they were able to get jobs?
Your post is in the running for most misogynistic in the history of Slashdot.
--Jeremy
The simple fact of the matter is: Bradley Manning is more of a patriot than you or I or probably anyone else on Slashdot could ever hope to be.
--Jeremy
You can rationalize it any way you like too, but there are douchebags on both sides. The fact that you try to make it out as Apple fans being perfectly reasonable, and Android fans being jealous douches plants you firmly in Apple douche territory.
--Jeremy
Don't like it? Don't play it.
I get sick of military themed shooters, so I don't play them. See how that works?
--Jeremy
Agreed 100% on everything except the details of letting individuals donate without limits, but I'd be perfectly willing to make that compromise to get the rest in place.
--Jeremy
It turned out, though, that the Occupy movement was just the same old agitators, with a little more substantial marketing campaign behind them. The occupy movement is now, clearly, a leftist subset of the democrat party, with the same old, tired, socialist screeds. If they had kept it as a protest movement against corruption and granting political favors, I would have supported them. When one of the primary components became losers whining about their student loans, they had obviously taken their eyes off the target.
At least it didn't go the direction of the Tea Party -- I was very interested in their message, until I go to the official website and it starts mentioning abortion and gay marriage. Again, way to take your eyes off the target. Same old Republican talking points with the same old, tired conservative screeds. Then they started blaming bailouts on Obama, start confusing TARP with the stimulus package, and basically start sounding like a bunch of idiots and it was pretty tough to take them seriously.
And at least someone that's mad about not being able to find a job after being saddled with student loans is still mad about a financial issue. The Tea Party couldn't even keep their message that focused.
--Jeremy
but they do help the liberals and their buddies at the expense of everyone else.
How? Specifics or shut the hell up.
--Jeremy