I'm hoping to finally be able to get back to watching stutter-free my favorite non Netflix websites now that a good chunk of the crappy Verizon/Level3 interconnect has been freed up.
It's connected to the net. check.
It's got enough cpu power to run a proper app. check.
It's got no security. check.
It's got enough storage for a decently sized program. check.
acutally i like this example
if you were looking at a case where
a bully beats up a kid and takes his money
the mom feels bad and gives more money back.
the causation case is that when the bully beats up the kid, he gets more money.
without knowing what the mom is doing there is no real correlation (ie, you can't say that everytime a kid gets beaten, a kid gets more money), only that there is causation of one to the other. If however, the mom is known, then you can say that everything this kid gets beaten, this kid will get more money because the mom gives it to him. In which case, yes the cause is related to its correlation.
low income and low test scores have been shown to be a strong correlation with some studies showing a causative factor.
low income and not being able to afford premium services is a definitive causality of one to the other
The correlation is the ACT test scores to premium internet services unless as someone pointed out, the internet was being used to cheat on the ACTs, in which case it becomes causative.
Netflix already pays verizon for DIRECT connection to its customers
Netflix did not pay verizon for its interconnect via Level3.
Verizon is basicaly saying that Netflix routes alot of traffic through Level3 (probably because they're cheaper) instead of via their direct verizon line.
Level 3 is saying that the pipe between Verizon backbone and L3 backbone is where the bandwidth gets clogged.
take out verizon and insert (I'm fairly positive) every single US ISP, and I'm pretty sure you'll hear teh exact same story. L3 will probably blame all the ISPs for their lack of bandwidth interconnecting them. And all the other US isps will say, they're not the issue because their internal networks aren't close to full saturation.
So the real question at hand is, who really should pay for upgrading the capacity between the tier 1 interconnects.
Sounds like there was a handshake agreement between the companies originally. This handshake probably didn't include a late comer like level3.
I would argue that if l3 approached these companies and said, we'll install the cards AND maintain these connections on L3's bill, everything will get resolved.
Ie. L3 is pretty much saying, sure we're tryign to compete with you big ISPs, and we're gaining customers to your detriment on the Inet tier1 space, but we can't seem to maintain our client base if you guys at the last mile/end point don't increase your bandwidth with us.
The 6 other major ISPs are saying to the content providers, why bother using L3, sign up with our own t1 bandwidth and we can provide to your customers directly a great service.
and has been proven that it is entirely possible with today's technology to walk down near every path of a chess game. "Thinking" in this case is merely a parlor trick of computation power of decision trees.
As OP posted, if a computer can play a proper game of Go against an expert, then i'd be impressed.
the better analogy is that a rope company wants to rent out various different load rated ropes.
you decide to rent the rope with the heaviest rated load.
you tell the rope company that you need one 3 miles long because you wanted to lasso a satellite in space from your home on earth.
The company is then in it's right to say "No we don't offer such long rope" or "Use the smaller rope to do something else" and in this case the rope company actually does have a 3mile long rope, but they say as part of their terms of service you have to be a business customer to use it.
I finally was able to play when i logged onto the Europe EU server, however for the first 25 minutes of the gme itw as stuck in the tutorial and I couldn't leave.
Got booted and got server buy so couldn't get back in.
Finally got back in againa nd played 10 mionutes before the server killed my connection.
so that was a frustratiing waste of 60%
If you two are playing separately isn't that just single player mode and not required of an always on server?
if you're playing at separate times it's not like you acutally really care about what he does. Perfectly easily to parameterize your city so twhen you two go back online again, the server can take the paramteres and updates the server's version of the city
I certainly don't agree, none of the requirements you gave have any thing to do with an always on requirement.
My friends and I play Civ 5 all the time. My box is the strongest so I always host the server.
I play alone most of the time but when my friends want to play, I set up a server and invite them in. We save the game I can reload it whenever we wish to get other again. I dont see why i need a server for that. We each have our own individual games anyway since we mostly play solo.
However if we did feel the need to play together, a quick load and we're back to playing together.
when i heard they scrapped the pokemon and instead focused on the ds, I was getting ready to just return my wii u deluxe.
The new gameplay certainly would be awesome for pokemon, but now, the zelda game is at least a year away and with the starting day issues, I dont know what to do with this system anymore.
the 80miles rated range to a sudden drop to 35 would be a WTF moment for me if I was driving this thing, anybody know the scenario that would cause that? It might be legit that he thoguht he had 80 miles
Also the low power charge (not at a super station) does that mean that if we pluged it in for 30 minutes it only gets a about 1mile per minute? So if we needed to go the other 200 miles on the route, it'd be 200 minutes? Though Broder here asserted he charged it for an hour, he did add that if tesla said it would regain its charge lost over night, he might be led to believe that the est 32 might "jump" back up to the original 80 he had as the logs show.
I also thought that batteries should never lose their entire charge, so elon's assertion that the battery never ran dry is probably a fail safe mechanism they put in place after that article a month ago that some guy left his in the airport for 2 months only to find it bricked.
4th pic, the climate control, how many of you guys fiddle with the cabin temperature like the logs said you would?
like you go from 73.5 to 69 to 71 all in a matter of minutes? that assertion just confuses me. What if the clima control just doesn't react as expected?
Also in pic 1, someone want to explain to me what the downline means at the 450 mark? the car was cruising at 50 then hit 0 instantly then went back up to 50? Huh?
Not saying Broder might not have added some sensationalism to tell his story, as people have mentioned "It just works" is kind of boring. But I'm not fully sure about Elon's side either
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I'm hoping to finally be able to get back to watching stutter-free my favorite non Netflix websites now that a good chunk of the crappy Verizon/Level3 interconnect has been freed up.
#winning
You're missing the point.
It's connected to the net. check. It's got enough cpu power to run a proper app. check. It's got no security. check. It's got enough storage for a decently sized program. check.
You know what the next logical step is?
installing DDoS zombies on these printers.
acutally i like this example if you were looking at a case where
a bully beats up a kid and takes his money
the mom feels bad and gives more money back.
the causation case is that when the bully beats up the kid, he gets more money.
without knowing what the mom is doing there is no real correlation (ie, you can't say that everytime a kid gets beaten, a kid gets more money), only that there is causation of one to the other. If however, the mom is known, then you can say that everything this kid gets beaten, this kid will get more money because the mom gives it to him. In which case, yes the cause is related to its correlation.
without going into stats, the short answer is no, that's not right.
No,
low income and low test scores have been shown to be a strong correlation with some studies showing a causative factor.
low income and not being able to afford premium services is a definitive causality of one to the other
The correlation is the ACT test scores to premium internet services unless as someone pointed out, the internet was being used to cheat on the ACTs, in which case it becomes causative.
see fresnel lenses
Netflix already pays verizon for DIRECT connection to its customers Netflix did not pay verizon for its interconnect via Level3.
Verizon is basicaly saying that Netflix routes alot of traffic through Level3 (probably because they're cheaper) instead of via their direct verizon line.
Level 3 is saying that the pipe between Verizon backbone and L3 backbone is where the bandwidth gets clogged.
take out verizon and insert (I'm fairly positive) every single US ISP, and I'm pretty sure you'll hear teh exact same story. L3 will probably blame all the ISPs for their lack of bandwidth interconnecting them. And all the other US isps will say, they're not the issue because their internal networks aren't close to full saturation.
So the real question at hand is, who really should pay for upgrading the capacity between the tier 1 interconnects.
Sounds like there was a handshake agreement between the companies originally. This handshake probably didn't include a late comer like level3.
I would argue that if l3 approached these companies and said, we'll install the cards AND maintain these connections on L3's bill, everything will get resolved.
Ie. L3 is pretty much saying, sure we're tryign to compete with you big ISPs, and we're gaining customers to your detriment on the Inet tier1 space, but we can't seem to maintain our client base if you guys at the last mile/end point don't increase your bandwidth with us.
The 6 other major ISPs are saying to the content providers, why bother using L3, sign up with our own t1 bandwidth and we can provide to your customers directly a great service.
someone's a hater
of inet pr0n!
Really?
I didn't realize you could be a citizen of 26 countries.
Let me know when you actually live there and can give better account of your rather fluffy statement
Except the article points our massachusetts
then switches to long island
I smell BS here
wait, did i read an onion article?
did we forget the old mantra.
Free as in freedom, not free as in beer.
perfectly legitimate to make money off open sourced code, the IRS simply says they want to make sure you're paying your taxes on that profit.
is it a slow tuesday? let's actually put some thought into topics please.
I didn't realize there were no such things as trolls in the tech/geek culture ;-)
on a daily basis half of the comments on slashdots are trolling for something.
Guess that puts slashdoters in elite company, you know, the top 1% of assholiness
Sounds like someone's bitter about flunking the interview.
Because, you know, it's everyone else, not you.
You are clearly mistaken
and has been proven that it is entirely possible with today's technology to walk down near every path of a chess game. "Thinking" in this case is merely a parlor trick of computation power of decision trees.
As OP posted, if a computer can play a proper game of Go against an expert, then i'd be impressed.
But until then, his comment is pretty spot on.
Why is this article even worth mentioning.
Verizon doens't say unlimited
the better analogy is that a rope company wants to rent out various different load rated ropes.
you decide to rent the rope with the heaviest rated load.
you tell the rope company that you need one 3 miles long because you wanted to lasso a satellite in space from your home on earth.
The company is then in it's right to say "No we don't offer such long rope" or "Use the smaller rope to do something else" and in this case the rope company actually does have a 3mile long rope, but they say as part of their terms of service you have to be a business customer to use it.
Not a bug
it just doesn't deliver to spec
What server you on?
I finally was able to play when i logged onto the Europe EU server, however for the first 25 minutes of the gme itw as stuck in the tutorial and I couldn't leave.
Got booted and got server buy so couldn't get back in. Finally got back in againa nd played 10 mionutes before the server killed my connection. so that was a frustratiing waste of 60%
If you two are playing separately isn't that just single player mode and not required of an always on server?
if you're playing at separate times it's not like you acutally really care about what he does. Perfectly easily to parameterize your city so twhen you two go back online again, the server can take the paramteres and updates the server's version of the city
I certainly don't agree, none of the requirements you gave have any thing to do with an always on requirement.
My friends and I play Civ 5 all the time. My box is the strongest so I always host the server.
I play alone most of the time but when my friends want to play, I set up a server and invite them in. We save the game I can reload it whenever we wish to get other again. I dont see why i need a server for that. We each have our own individual games anyway since we mostly play solo. However if we did feel the need to play together, a quick load and we're back to playing together.
Overestimating the support?
Read: Servers just got pummeled and while the max servers were allowing those who got in play, a bunch more didn't get to play.
sounds like they might have hit upon a fun game. Delivery might have sucked but the idea certainly has traction.
i hate to say it, but i love pokemon.
when i heard they scrapped the pokemon and instead focused on the ds, I was getting ready to just return my wii u deluxe.
The new gameplay certainly would be awesome for pokemon, but now, the zelda game is at least a year away and with the starting day issues, I dont know what to do with this system anymore.
my 1 yr old just stepped on the big fancy controller and threw it against the console =T
epic ownage.
there goes the deluxe edition.
and not elon's interpretation of them?
In the 3rd pic the Rated range to distance log.
the 80miles rated range to a sudden drop to 35 would be a WTF moment for me if I was driving this thing, anybody know the scenario that would cause that? It might be legit that he thoguht he had 80 miles
Also the low power charge (not at a super station) does that mean that if we pluged it in for 30 minutes it only gets a about 1mile per minute? So if we needed to go the other 200 miles on the route, it'd be 200 minutes? Though Broder here asserted he charged it for an hour, he did add that if tesla said it would regain its charge lost over night, he might be led to believe that the est 32 might "jump" back up to the original 80 he had as the logs show.
I also thought that batteries should never lose their entire charge, so elon's assertion that the battery never ran dry is probably a fail safe mechanism they put in place after that article a month ago that some guy left his in the airport for 2 months only to find it bricked.
4th pic, the climate control, how many of you guys fiddle with the cabin temperature like the logs said you would?
like you go from 73.5 to 69 to 71 all in a matter of minutes? that assertion just confuses me. What if the clima control just doesn't react as expected?
Also in pic 1, someone want to explain to me what the downline means at the 450 mark? the car was cruising at 50 then hit 0 instantly then went back up to 50? Huh?
Not saying Broder might not have added some sensationalism to tell his story, as people have mentioned "It just works" is kind of boring. But I'm not fully sure about Elon's side either