Sorry here is a better source, which comes directly from the Reuters agency (see the copyright at the bottem)
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0922-03.ht m
The other one was not really that good.
Well he at least still has the incoherent thought patterns of an alcoholic or a junkie.
Seriously those people, at least alcoholics often are very social but lack a understanding of basic logical and coherent thoughts.
In my opinion this man has a serious problem, he is on constant war with watever. Bevore 9/11 he was on war against the environment (well the environment currently says what it thinks about Bushs politics in his brothers state)
than he was on war with himself and now he is on a nonwinnable war against terror because he only fights symptoms but not the causes.
And he does not die for it, thousands of others die while he sits in washington and counts oil dollars
Happened already again, in Florida there already again were attempts that thousands of american black people were tried to be removed from the voting lists again.
Some artists maybe, but the mp3-CD issue is a totally different problem.
MP3-Recording not too much difference.
Bootleg - Show like day and night. A bootleg often has lousy quality and lacks totally the experience and the visual aspects a show can give.
Face it most people go to live performances, to actually see and experience the artist not to hear them. The Grateful Dead basically recognized that very early and although have been out of the charts for decades toured many years on top of the performance charts (audience number wise) and the bootlegs were a huge impact for that.
Bootlegs could be for the tours, what radio is for selling records. The dimwits at the record industry just dont see that because they are too greedy as usual.
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Not even that, there was a time in the 70s when several countries had lots of core companies under government control. Times have changed.
Whats left are governments who still try to govern for the people.
If the US sees a government which prefers to work for the people instead of dumping cash into weapons, then you can call those countries socialist.
But bear in mind of those are socialist then aid organisations are purest communist extents:-)
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Notreally, the unemployment is done via a national insurance program over here, the same goes for the health care. Basically a hidden tax, yes.
Although this is an Arch thread, after these rantings by Tom Lord (geeze does he really need to bash other projects without any serious explanation every time he gives an interview)
For the wonderful CVS replacement they made.
I used SVN for half a year in my last job, and the thing never gave me any serious trouble.
From the day it reached 1.0 there was at least a basic integration support there, and the mailing lists are well moderated.
Thanks Subversion team for the excellent program you delivered, you dont deserve Tom Lords constant bashing.
But back to Arch, everybody knows it is a good program, all it needs is better tool integration.
The problem has been existing for years.
1918 was the last big epidemic. The Spanish Flu. The funny thing was that it mainly affected young people, and caused more havoc on the Battlefields of WW1 than the war itself.
Probably the Spanish Flu was one of the main reasons why, the WW1 had to be stopped by the germans. That and the losses on the battlefields caused a premature running out of people to a point where the war was obviously not winnable anymore on the german side and a breakthrough in the frontiers by the allieds was only a matter of time.
Speaking about the hands of god, the Spanish Flu probably was one of those occasions.
Dont tell me. About two months after I switched to harddisks and one network adapter in my home machine. WinXP refused to let me in or to allow an online update.
I called the call center (which is not in India over here) and as soon as the person started to ask me questions on what I did with my computer I was so angry, that exactly five minutes afterwards, I called my local vendor and ordered a box of SuSE 8.0.
My home server has been running on Linux since then happily and my notebook as well.
If you have the choice between a total idiot who thinks war is funny, and somebody rather unknown who at least knows that war is the worst which can happen because he fought, then better vote at the current times not for the total idiot, with a bunch of warmongers in his cabinet.
As for the war on terror, if it is fought like that, than you cannot win. Face it over here in europe we have a long tradition of terrorist groups. Spain, the UK Germany and others had to face terrorist acts in the past. Plain fightin is only the fighting of symptoms which makes things worse. Where are the causes? Lets face it it is the current neoliberalism which triggered the trend. Whereas in parts like Europe or the US lots of people are unhappy but calm because things are not that bad, but get worse very swiftly. But look at the third world, neoliberalism or generally the current monetary focus gives billions of people not a lot of perspective, add to that the usual hardliners which you can find everywhere and you run into the situation.
Now you might say, removing some dictators helps in this regard, it does not, you have to focus on raising the living standards of the average people and that is a long task which neither can be accomplished by war nor by removing one government and adding another by force. Violence only will add fuel to the warmongers who insist on killing the evil (which in their eyes is the west who is responsible for their miserable living situation - which is only partially true, but that is another issue).
You cannot kill terrorism by brute force, history has shown that over and over again. Terrorism only can be dried out by killing off the feeding grounds, which are in this case poverty, religious fanatism and hate.
But in the current climate of corporations becoming bigger and bigger and taking away local structures and livestock of average people, and governments who think they can beat a hydra by slaying off the heads, I dont see any way out.
For plain GHz monsters, AMD simply is the better price/performance deal.
Now lets look at the situation from a different angle.
Intel has a kick ass processor in their line. Yes the Pentium-M faster than most except the high end P4s only sold in servers and laptop computers.
Outside of the US there is a huge market for machines which save energy (well in the US nobody thinks about energy, except for a god given right to be consumed probably)
But the market currently is dominated by the rather measly VIA CPUs which have a huge following over here in Europe (and probably Asia)
Well AMD currently reacts to the trend with their own line of new fast energy savers (which we will see probably in desktop boards soon, but definitely not from via:-) )
Via currently sells boatloads of their C3 stuff, and Transmeta probably would also if their stuff was available.
So where is Intel in that game. Basically nowhere, Intel itself says this is a notebook processor only.
Some third companies already produce industrial boards because the advantages of the PM over other intel designs are huge, blazingly fast, with a rather low power consumption. But those boards cost a fortune.
But the end user market is left to VIA. What happens here is basically the same thing Intel did in the 64 bit market, which basically was handed over to AMD. And if AMD can get their act together and have several companies producing boards in the ATX format using their new low powere cores, they basically will win the slowly but rapidly emerging home server market, which currently is a hobbyists market, but in a few years will become the mass market.
Ahem, plain adventure games are not dead, you just dont see them advertized in the mass market anymore. Where Lucasarts and Sierra left off, a bunch of rather small development houses now fill the niche nicely.
With Black Mirror, The Westerner (Wanted), Runaway, Uru, Syberia2, Tony Tough, Dark Fall, Lights out, Law and Order2 and a bunch of new titles in the line. The List of commerically released adventure games has been quite impressive, too big for a genre, already declard dead, if you ask me.
Actually DS9 was heavily influenced in the darker parts by Babylon 5 never reached its quality though.
Bab5 was the best thing which could happen to the Star Trek authors. Long running high quality sci fi with an interesting story, and interesting characters bascically drowned to death by the unwillingness of the networks to support it. All they had to do was to follow the main storyline of Bab5 and convert it into the Trek universe and voila you had the best Treck series in a long term.
The problem is if you stay on a relational level, you run into the main problem, that all your operations are basically done on mathematical sets.
Now lets have a look at SQL, very clumsy, but it
more or less is nothing else than a mapping of the mathematical set operations into something more verbose.
Unless you define a new set of set operations (great sentence hey) or unless you move away from a strict mathematical set approach (like many did before) you always will end up with something similar to SQL with a varying syntax.
I think the best approach would be really to move away from a stricktly set based approach to something else to increase the operations domain.
But XML is not the answer, XML face it is neither usable for query languages nor for data stores.
The current hype about XML dbs can be basically compared to the hype people had about OODBS a few years back (which suffered from other problems of a connection of code and DB which was too strong in many cases, and lousy query mechanisms in other cases)
Arr somebody mentioned, he came from romania. I have not grown up in a socialist country (unless you agree with good ole Arnold the Governator, actually living here was more free than in many other countries)
But giving the almost non existend distance I already met a bunch of romanian people. Believe me if you made it up to the age of 13 you probably had a harder life than most people up until the age of 65 in other countries. The country really was fucked up in many regards, with a totalitarian neo Cesar on top of it. If there ever was a European big brother like country, probably Romania would have deserved the title.
But back to the other quote, have you ever spent a a thought about following that in the US you constantly here how good this country is, that it is the best to live in the world at least ten times a day in variations, no matter how f**** things are. Probably the guys in Vietnam and noq Iraq hear/heard it also every day on the US radio, television etc... while bleeding to death in the sand / or were bleeding to death in the jungle.
Great that the government and the country is so great, while the government has a serious pribe problem, with legalized bibe with the face of electional donations etc...
Given this guy is heavily sensitive to this issues, I am glad he speaks out openly.
There is one problem LCDs have for moving images (face it, for videos and games CRTs are still better)
the switch time already has reached more or less the times needed for video and games, the problem is the tearing caused by differend color switch times.
I rather doubt this problem has been resolved since the bright-dark cicle has different switch times into different directions.
Performance penalties,
hard to tell, I assume for plain searches, the whole thing is faster.
Read access might be the same because it goes plainly to file system level.
Write access probably add a few miliseonds per file, to have the index updated, probably not if you have atomic commits on filesystem level and can do the indexing multithreaded. (reiser4 comes instantly to my mind)
Shoes have not become cheaper, since Nike has shifted the production dreadmills in Asia.
In fact the whole "beauty" of outsourcing is, that you can reduce costs but can keep the same price over here.
That of course only works as long as people over here can pay the price, which of course can only work, as long as people over here have jobs which are well paid.
I dont live in the US, but the effects are clearly visible (in Europe less, because the outsourcing is since May within the EU, so basically there is not too much outsourcing)
a moderate outsourcing is good for everyone, it opens new markets because it helps to develop.
Massively outsourcing, produces huge trade deficits and basically only shifts money.
What currently happens is following development, currently everybody thinks that companies can produce cheaply and sell expensive here.
That only works as long as people have money.
The long term trend goes towards crash of the monetary system in the west, or at least in the US, with trade deficits which are enourmous.
The classical example of this was Argentina in the nineties, basically a classical example of a country which did not produce anything inshore but imported everything. The crash was imminent, and came around 2000-2001.
What currently happens is that some people thing a patent system which basically acts as a highway robbers tool might help. This might delay things but only for a certain period of time. Once the production is gone entirely, the research also will follow and with it the so called IP holders (which shift overtime, since patents run out), unless the current patent system crumbels under its own weight, because of the massive abuse which is currently happening before.
So what would be the solution. Simple, try to keep certain core industries and research in the country, and do moderate outsourcing which opens the doors for the wealth of everybody. But for heavens sake, keep some industries and research in the country or at least in the monetary zone.
Actually what VNC does is to copy the framebuffer and stream it over the network.
It is not really a sign that the more elegant (on paper) approach of X works lousier than TightVNC, in this regard.
NX shows clearly what an overhaul of the X protocol could achieve.
Technologies like RDP or Citrix probably use a combination of GDI and streaming.
Face it my friend, if you want to go for a serious terminal server solution instead of using one or two programs on occasion remotely, you have to bypass X and go for workarounds to the problem
like NX which basically acts as a prototcol translator/smart proxy into something more high level.
Network transparancy is not compromised, those things are all extensions. But network transparency in X is broken by design. The protocol is too talkative, and too problematic with higher latencies. You have to do workarounds with things like NX to at least achieve a decent performance without a GBit lan and multiple clients.
A move to a higher level protocol is unavoidable and will be done with Cairo in the long term. What we see here are the first steps, and the beauty of this transition path is that it will be done without breaking X, X will always be there, if first will be used by Cairo and in the long term only be some kind of legacy protocol.
Actually the picture is not that bad, if you give it a serious look.
Nothing is real on the picture, everything plastic, including the feces.
On the other hand I still shudder from Goatse.
But there are real fan sites devoted to everthing Goatse.
And there was a Garfield cartoon also, devoted to this site.
The socialistic/communist east germany did have not that many cameras, but the Stasi cockroaches were everywhere.
You could compare east germany with the 19th century metternich Austria, probably the first example of a society going haywire with surveillance due to the paranoia of a few.
But those things dont last once the pressure is too high. Metternich Austria went down in flames in the 1848 revolution.
East germany (DDR/GDR) basically imploded once hungary and tschechia opened its borders and people fled to the back then more liberal west to leave the constant surrveilance and Stasi back home.
Thats the problem with the cameras, they are cheap, they only have to paid once and they are not as intrusive as informants and cannot change sides to be a mole, but once somebody comes to power who is paranoid enough they can do as much damage as informants.
The problem is less that the cameras are there, the problem is, that people are used to them once somebody starts to misuse them to suppress people. The end might be something where we long for 1984.
The problem I see here is that there is a slow but ongoing development that governments see their citizens as their enemies they have to live with.
Another one, is that there are certain people who constantly talk about freedom while killing it off left and right under the radars of their citizens. This is not a US development but in all of the west, it is the worst in the US, because people their had the most freedom in things.
The problem with all this is that, this development goes on slowly, one spoonfed after the other, so that people can get used to it in time (a tactic first used by Hitler in pre war germany, to get the people used to the dissapearance of Jews and the violence against certain people)
Once these tactics are questioned, they are blocked with anti - whatever (Goebbels described that first:"Once you have a critic on your neck with serious arguments. Just say he is Anti German and a foe of your country, works every time")
I think there is a bigger picture here of what is going on and things are not good in the scope of a long term development.
Slashdot Mirror
Sorry here is a better source, which comes directly from the Reuters agency (see the copyright at the bottem) http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0922-03.ht m
The other one was not really that good.
http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/5836/1/233/
From there you can start your own searches, enough sources are listed there.
Well he at least still has the incoherent thought patterns of an alcoholic or a junkie. Seriously those people, at least alcoholics often are very social but lack a understanding of basic logical and coherent thoughts. In my opinion this man has a serious problem, he is on constant war with watever. Bevore 9/11 he was on war against the environment (well the environment currently says what it thinks about Bushs politics in his brothers state) than he was on war with himself and now he is on a nonwinnable war against terror because he only fights symptoms but not the causes. And he does not die for it, thousands of others die while he sits in washington and counts oil dollars
Happened already again, in Florida there already again were attempts that thousands of american black people were tried to be removed from the voting lists again.
Some artists maybe, but the mp3-CD issue is a totally different problem. MP3-Recording not too much difference. Bootleg - Show like day and night. A bootleg often has lousy quality and lacks totally the experience and the visual aspects a show can give. Face it most people go to live performances, to actually see and experience the artist not to hear them. The Grateful Dead basically recognized that very early and although have been out of the charts for decades toured many years on top of the performance charts (audience number wise) and the bootlegs were a huge impact for that. Bootlegs could be for the tours, what radio is for selling records. The dimwits at the record industry just dont see that because they are too greedy as usual.
Not even that, there was a time in the 70s when several countries had lots of core companies under government control. Times have changed. Whats left are governments who still try to govern for the people. If the US sees a government which prefers to work for the people instead of dumping cash into weapons, then you can call those countries socialist. But bear in mind of those are socialist then aid organisations are purest communist extents :-)
Notreally, the unemployment is done via a national insurance program over here, the same goes for the health care.
Basically a hidden tax, yes.
Palpadine is Yoda :-)
Although this is an Arch thread, after these rantings by Tom Lord (geeze does he really need to bash other projects without any serious explanation every time he gives an interview) For the wonderful CVS replacement they made. I used SVN for half a year in my last job, and the thing never gave me any serious trouble. From the day it reached 1.0 there was at least a basic integration support there, and the mailing lists are well moderated. Thanks Subversion team for the excellent program you delivered, you dont deserve Tom Lords constant bashing. But back to Arch, everybody knows it is a good program, all it needs is better tool integration. The problem has been existing for years.
1918 was the last big epidemic. The Spanish Flu. The funny thing was that it mainly affected young people, and caused more havoc on the Battlefields of WW1 than the war itself. Probably the Spanish Flu was one of the main reasons why, the WW1 had to be stopped by the germans. That and the losses on the battlefields caused a premature running out of people to a point where the war was obviously not winnable anymore on the german side and a breakthrough in the frontiers by the allieds was only a matter of time.
Speaking about the hands of god, the Spanish Flu probably was one of those occasions.
Dont tell me. About two months after I switched to harddisks and one network adapter in my home machine. WinXP refused to let me in or to allow an online update. I called the call center (which is not in India over here) and as soon as the person started to ask me questions on what I did with my computer I was so angry, that exactly five minutes afterwards, I called my local vendor and ordered a box of SuSE 8.0. My home server has been running on Linux since then happily and my notebook as well.
Actually it cannot really be worse than Bush.
If you have the choice between a total idiot who thinks war is funny, and somebody rather unknown who at least knows that war is the worst which can happen because he fought, then better vote at the current times not for the total idiot, with a bunch of warmongers in his cabinet.
As for the war on terror, if it is fought like that, than you cannot win. Face it over here in europe we have a long tradition of terrorist groups. Spain, the UK Germany and others had to face terrorist acts in the past. Plain fightin is only the fighting of symptoms which makes things worse. Where are the causes? Lets face it it is the current neoliberalism which triggered the trend. Whereas in parts like Europe or the US lots of people are unhappy but calm because things are not that bad, but get worse very swiftly. But look at the third world, neoliberalism or generally the current monetary focus gives billions of people not a lot of perspective, add to that the usual hardliners which you can find everywhere and you run into the situation.
Now you might say, removing some dictators helps in this regard, it does not, you have to focus on raising the living standards of the average people and that is a long task which neither can be accomplished by war nor by removing one government and adding another by force. Violence only will add fuel to the warmongers who insist on killing the evil (which in their eyes is the west who is responsible for their miserable living situation - which is only partially true, but that is another issue).
You cannot kill terrorism by brute force, history has shown that over and over again. Terrorism only can be dried out by killing off the feeding grounds, which are in this case poverty, religious fanatism and hate.
But in the current climate of corporations becoming bigger and bigger and taking away local structures and livestock of average people, and governments who think they can beat a hydra by slaying off the heads, I dont see any way out.
For plain GHz monsters, AMD simply is the better price/performance deal. Now lets look at the situation from a different angle. Intel has a kick ass processor in their line. Yes the Pentium-M faster than most except the high end P4s only sold in servers and laptop computers. Outside of the US there is a huge market for machines which save energy (well in the US nobody thinks about energy, except for a god given right to be consumed probably) But the market currently is dominated by the rather measly VIA CPUs which have a huge following over here in Europe (and probably Asia) Well AMD currently reacts to the trend with their own line of new fast energy savers (which we will see probably in desktop boards soon, but definitely not from via :-) )
Via currently sells boatloads of their C3 stuff, and Transmeta probably would also if their stuff was available.
So where is Intel in that game. Basically nowhere, Intel itself says this is a notebook processor only.
Some third companies already produce industrial boards because the advantages of the PM over other intel designs are huge, blazingly fast, with a rather low power consumption. But those boards cost a fortune.
But the end user market is left to VIA. What happens here is basically the same thing Intel did in the 64 bit market, which basically was handed over to AMD. And if AMD can get their act together and have several companies producing boards in the ATX format using their new low powere cores, they basically will win the slowly but rapidly emerging home server market, which currently is a hobbyists market, but in a few years will become the mass market.
Ahem, plain adventure games are not dead, you just dont see them advertized in the mass market anymore. Where Lucasarts and Sierra left off, a bunch of rather small development houses now fill the niche nicely. With Black Mirror, The Westerner (Wanted), Runaway, Uru, Syberia2, Tony Tough, Dark Fall, Lights out, Law and Order2 and a bunch of new titles in the line. The List of commerically released adventure games has been quite impressive, too big for a genre, already declard dead, if you ask me.
Here is the list for the upcoming months (from www.justadventure.com):
Actually DS9 was heavily influenced in the darker parts by Babylon 5 never reached its quality though. Bab5 was the best thing which could happen to the Star Trek authors. Long running high quality sci fi with an interesting story, and interesting characters bascically drowned to death by the unwillingness of the networks to support it. All they had to do was to follow the main storyline of Bab5 and convert it into the Trek universe and voila you had the best Treck series in a long term.
The problem is if you stay on a relational level, you run into the main problem, that all your operations are basically done on mathematical sets.
Now lets have a look at SQL, very clumsy, but it more or less is nothing else than a mapping of the mathematical set operations into something more verbose.
Unless you define a new set of set operations (great sentence hey) or unless you move away from a strict mathematical set approach (like many did before) you always will end up with something similar to SQL with a varying syntax.
I think the best approach would be really to move away from a stricktly set based approach to something else to increase the operations domain. But XML is not the answer, XML face it is neither usable for query languages nor for data stores. The current hype about XML dbs can be basically compared to the hype people had about OODBS a few years back (which suffered from other problems of a connection of code and DB which was too strong in many cases, and lousy query mechanisms in other cases)
Arr somebody mentioned, he came from romania. I have not grown up in a socialist country (unless you agree with good ole Arnold the Governator, actually living here was more free than in many other countries)
But giving the almost non existend distance I already met a bunch of romanian people. Believe me if you made it up to the age of 13 you probably had a harder life than most people up until the age of 65 in other countries. The country really was fucked up in many regards, with a totalitarian neo Cesar on top of it. If there ever was a European big brother like country, probably Romania would have deserved the title.
But back to the other quote, have you ever spent a a thought about following that in the US you constantly here how good this country is, that it is the best to live in the world at least ten times a day in variations, no matter how f**** things are. Probably the guys in Vietnam and noq Iraq hear/heard it also every day on the US radio, television etc... while bleeding to death in the sand / or were bleeding to death in the jungle.
Great that the government and the country is so great, while the government has a serious pribe problem, with legalized bibe with the face of electional donations etc... Given this guy is heavily sensitive to this issues, I am glad he speaks out openly.
There is one problem LCDs have for moving images (face it, for videos and games CRTs are still better) the switch time already has reached more or less the times needed for video and games, the problem is the tearing caused by differend color switch times. I rather doubt this problem has been resolved since the bright-dark cicle has different switch times into different directions.
Performance penalties, hard to tell, I assume for plain searches, the whole thing is faster. Read access might be the same because it goes plainly to file system level. Write access probably add a few miliseonds per file, to have the index updated, probably not if you have atomic commits on filesystem level and can do the indexing multithreaded. (reiser4 comes instantly to my mind)
Shoes have not become cheaper, since Nike has shifted the production dreadmills in Asia. In fact the whole "beauty" of outsourcing is, that you can reduce costs but can keep the same price over here. That of course only works as long as people over here can pay the price, which of course can only work, as long as people over here have jobs which are well paid.
I dont live in the US, but the effects are clearly visible (in Europe less, because the outsourcing is since May within the EU, so basically there is not too much outsourcing)
a moderate outsourcing is good for everyone, it opens new markets because it helps to develop. Massively outsourcing, produces huge trade deficits and basically only shifts money.
What currently happens is following development, currently everybody thinks that companies can produce cheaply and sell expensive here. That only works as long as people have money. The long term trend goes towards crash of the monetary system in the west, or at least in the US, with trade deficits which are enourmous. The classical example of this was Argentina in the nineties, basically a classical example of a country which did not produce anything inshore but imported everything. The crash was imminent, and came around 2000-2001.
What currently happens is that some people thing a patent system which basically acts as a highway robbers tool might help. This might delay things but only for a certain period of time. Once the production is gone entirely, the research also will follow and with it the so called IP holders (which shift overtime, since patents run out), unless the current patent system crumbels under its own weight, because of the massive abuse which is currently happening before.
So what would be the solution. Simple, try to keep certain core industries and research in the country, and do moderate outsourcing which opens the doors for the wealth of everybody. But for heavens sake, keep some industries and research in the country or at least in the monetary zone.
Actually what VNC does is to copy the framebuffer and stream it over the network. It is not really a sign that the more elegant (on paper) approach of X works lousier than TightVNC, in this regard. NX shows clearly what an overhaul of the X protocol could achieve.
Technologies like RDP or Citrix probably use a combination of GDI and streaming.
Face it my friend, if you want to go for a serious terminal server solution instead of using one or two programs on occasion remotely, you have to bypass X and go for workarounds to the problem like NX which basically acts as a prototcol translator/smart proxy into something more high level.
Network transparancy is not compromised,
those things are all extensions.
But network transparency in X is broken by design.
The protocol is too talkative, and too problematic with higher latencies.
You have to do workarounds with things like
NX to at least achieve a decent performance without a GBit lan and multiple clients.
A move to a higher level protocol is unavoidable
and will be done with Cairo in the long term. What we see here are the first steps, and the beauty of
this transition path is that it will be done without breaking X, X will always be there, if first will be used by Cairo and in the long term only be some kind of legacy protocol.
Actually the picture is not that bad, if you give it a serious look. Nothing is real on the picture, everything plastic, including the feces. On the other hand I still shudder from Goatse. But there are real fan sites devoted to everthing Goatse. And there was a Garfield cartoon also, devoted to this site.
The socialistic/communist east germany did have not that many cameras, but the Stasi cockroaches were everywhere. You could compare east germany with the 19th century metternich Austria, probably the first example of a society going haywire with surveillance due to the paranoia of a few.
But those things dont last once the pressure is too high. Metternich Austria went down in flames in the 1848 revolution. East germany (DDR/GDR) basically imploded once hungary and tschechia opened its borders and people fled to the back then more liberal west to leave the constant surrveilance and Stasi back home.
Thats the problem with the cameras, they are cheap, they only have to paid once and they are not as intrusive as informants and cannot change sides to be a mole, but once somebody comes to power who is paranoid enough they can do as much damage as informants.
The problem is less that the cameras are there, the problem is, that people are used to them once somebody starts to misuse them to suppress people. The end might be something where we long for 1984.
The problem I see here is that there is a slow but ongoing development that governments see their citizens as their enemies they have to live with.
Another one, is that there are certain people who constantly talk about freedom while killing it off left and right under the radars of their citizens. This is not a US development but in all of the west, it is the worst in the US, because people their had the most freedom in things.
The problem with all this is that, this development goes on slowly, one spoonfed after the other, so that people can get used to it in time (a tactic first used by Hitler in pre war germany, to get the people used to the dissapearance of Jews and the violence against certain people) Once these tactics are questioned, they are blocked with anti - whatever (Goebbels described that first:"Once you have a critic on your neck with serious arguments. Just say he is Anti German and a foe of your country, works every time")
I think there is a bigger picture here of what is going on and things are not good in the scope of a long term development.