> Even if HTML 5 were rigourously defined and backed up by proper compliance testing
For what it's worth, that's one of the most important goals of HTML5.
> how long it will take for browsers to properly support it
That 10 year number in the article is actually more or less the current estimate from people like the spec editor for HTML5.
The funny thing is the uptake on mobile platforms will happen way faster, developers are not hampered by "but it also has to run on (fill in any IE version after 5.5)" requests. On PC level things will move more slowly which means probabla 5-10 years unless there is a revolution on the web developers side (which never will happen)
Actually having developing RIA apps on open standards now for almost two years I must say the testing effort is not that bad, as soon as you can take IE and older browser versions out of the game. Especially last year the run fpr 100% ACID3 compliants helped a lot.
The fixing effort across the latest browser engines (including opera 10) is less than 1% of the actual coding time which means all modern HTML5 capable browser engines (safari4, chrome, opera10, mozilla 3.5) if it is at all, normally it just runs! Compare that to the problem of adding another 30% of coding time for the IE and you can see where things are heading. I am glad mobile devices for now are moving away from Microsoft software, and my hope is that Microsoft wont realize that the battle for the next generation of webapps will be on mobile devices for a long time, long enough so that they cannot stop the development towards html5 upfront with their Web malware!
No worries authoring tools will come, it is as usual first the web developers will use it later on Adobe or another company integrates it in their toolchain then the graphics artits will start to use it as well. It always has been like that!
Of course it is bullshit, if you talk directly to developers they even say, that 3d games are cheaper to produce than 2d (sounds funny but it really is like that) because the tooling already is that good! One of the reasons why everyone makes 3d games only, and one of the reasons why most new releases are shooters, the engines simply were derived from shooters, and a shooter is the minimal effort you can do!
PC gaming already is cheaper, you can get a totally new gaming capable rig for 500$, if you count that in most cases you just have to upgrade the graphic card for 99$, and that games are 20-30% cheaper on average, the case for consoles is just that you can play in the living room. But this case is closing also since if you have a hdmi enabled TV you just need a dvi to hdmi connector!
Well over here in Europe we had also the digital switch, but about 3-5 years ago. The converter box program also was in place. But as I see it you cannot switch off old technology without providing the people an upgrade path. And face it in the long run over here everyone is pretty happy with the switch, because they picture quality has improved, and you get more channels for free, and add to that that USB sticks for DTV cost almost nothing so that they become PC standard equipment!
DTV is the classic forced update of a technology that had worked just fine for decades.
They can talk all they like about picture quality (true, if you have a good signal), but the truth is they are forcing the sale of a lot of new hardware, and are making it easier for broadcasters to control what people do with the signals they receive. It's all about control and money. Isn't everything?
...laura
Truth is, that you can get away for free with the cupons, which are financed by the sales of the now empty frequencies for other services. Truth is also that you can shove more channels into the spectrum which might save you a cable contract in the long run. Truth also is that the picture quality especially coming from the lousy US NTSC is way better. Btw. we over here in europe had the switch about 5 years ago, I have never heard that much of complaining, we also had the cupon project. And no whining was there, and mostly people are pretty happy here that they had switched. Better picture quality, altough it was no such a big step from PAL which anyway was superior to NTSC, and the biggest plus more channels and cheap receiver usb sticks for their PCs.
The problem also is that outside of the PS3 blue ray causes a load of problems, there is so much shit being pushed into the blue ray players both by the spec and by those who build the players that you really have to play safe not to be burned by shitty manufacturers or upgrades which basically render your machine useless. The only safe bet so far is the PS3 and some high end players. But the PS3 has the problem of not really fitting into a rack except on the very top of it (one lessen all console manufacturers should learn, also build machines which can be put into a rack, sheesh)
Im pretty sure they know it but it is very convenient to have a scapegoat and then to say we have a problem but we are doing something. That will work at least for another 10 years thanks to politicians who sell out for small amounts!
The problem was that the latest prince of persia was not even fun, btw. whoever hired the actor for the prince should be hit with rotten eggs for at least a week, the same goes for the game designer who basically designed the same level 23 times with different graphics and forced you to beat every boss about 5 times without change of strategy!
Well to be serious the latest Prince of Persia in itself was already a watered down gaming experience... I loved the series, but the latest part was besides the graphics the worst there ever was and that includes the first 3d one!
Seriously, way too overpriced compared to the DS. And say what you will, existing PSP owners wont convert nobody wants to throw away a perfectly fine UMD collection and rebuy all the games again. I am not sure what Sony thought introducing it, but definitely this thing seems Dead on Arrival to me!
Well the main problem of Adult gamer in my opinion is that it gathers only to the 15-22 age crowd, which means pointless violence and no substance! What the industry understands as adult gamer should be labeled late teen male crowd!
Not sure how the attach rate is, but I have about 20 games for the Wii on the shelve, and about 10 in the virtual console! But last year I played mostly PC partially because not too many interesting things came out. This year seems to be better however with a few games in the line which really interest me!
Actually of the entire List I personlly think just Red Steel sucks, and the reason for it is that I hate shooters, I think the rest of games are pretty good! But I see the Wii as good addition to the PC which I play mostly!
Hardcore gaming is not their market anymore. Look at the DS and its sales. Then look at the number of sales of games considered high learning curve and games like brain age and nintendogs.
They are competing... on a diferent market. If you are like me and those "casual" type games dont amuse you then Nintendo is no longer for you.
You've got to be kidding... the DS has like 7 billion games available, covering pretty much every imaginable genre in great depth.
Sure there are vast quantities of "brain age" and "kanji master 10" type games, but there are vast quantities of every type of game on the DS....
Yes but the main problem with the DS as well is the overpresence of kids games on the store shelves, for every adult game are 10 pony games and 20 disney movie tie ins. It seems that those games simply sell on the Nintendo consoles!
Stop sitting on quality games that have been released in Japan and release them elsewhere! I'm still waiting on fatal frame for the wii, and won't be buying another Nintendo game until I can purchase that! Tecmo hasn't had a problem releasing the other 3, and the sales have not been that bad in the states/Europe. UGH, I guess I'm still jaded that they're holding onto a shiny that I want, and am willing to part with money for.
Anyway, where are the good wii games anyway? I walk through the store and look at the Wii releases, and it feels like I'm in the kids section. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I guess. There is no reason not to offer them if that's what your consumers want, but why Nintendo (not Nintendo in Japan apparently) won't you release your high quality games over here? Will it ruin your family system image that for whatever reason you're doing your best to keep? It still makes no sense, there are already other more violent games out there!
The main issue is that there is an overpresence of kids games on the shelves while others clearly exist. Okami, Tenchu Shadow Assassins, MadWorld, Godfather Blackhand Edition, Resi4, Metroid, Okami, Sam and Max, Strong Bad, Excite Truck, Excite Bugs, Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings, Red Steel, Disaster Day of Crisis, Endless Ocean, No More Heroes and many others I probably can dig up none of them I would call a kids game. The games are there, but if a Barby whatever game sells more all the sovelware gets the space!
While technologically impressive I have one problem with it, missing force feedback control and no additional controllers outside of behaviors. I cannot see this thing going anywhere except for some sports (especially fitness) games without it.
The sony technology was very close to nintendo however, but there at least force feedback probably will be possible, but additional fine grained controls like nintendo has it on the wiimote also still are missing but could be added theoretically!
However Nintendo should be worried, because of the lack of HD support and their absymal performance in the games area 2008 (which slowly is changing this year).
This depends, most of the times corporate installations are run for the people who have to deal with the machines as end users, those installations are perfectly fine for this case, but often they leave out the developers who have entirely different needs and need an entirely different toolchain which might even be different from project to project. So having more freedom for those people is appreciated!
Actually the Tarkovskij version only is loosely connected to the book. He follows the main storyline but tells his own story, and the movie is a masterpiece, but probably hard to grasp for an american audience!
Actually what you would call dull, is acknowledged one of the greatest masterpieces of cinema, Andreij Tarkovskisj Solaris adaption! The main problem is that Tarkovskij basically made a 3 hour epos about guilt religion and believe out of the book. Hard to swallow for the american action movie audience!
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> Even if HTML 5 were rigourously defined and backed up by proper compliance testing
For what it's worth, that's one of the most important goals of HTML5.
> how long it will take for browsers to properly support it
That 10 year number in the article is actually more or less the current estimate from people like the spec editor for HTML5.
The funny thing is the uptake on mobile platforms will happen way faster, developers are not hampered by "but it also has to run on (fill in any IE version after 5.5)" requests. On PC level things will move more slowly which means probabla 5-10 years unless there is a revolution on the web developers side (which never will happen)
Actually having developing RIA apps on open standards now for almost two years I must say the testing effort is not that bad, as soon as you can take IE and older browser versions out of the game.
Especially last year the run fpr 100% ACID3 compliants helped a lot.
The fixing effort across the latest browser engines (including opera 10) is less than 1% of the actual coding time which means all modern HTML5 capable browser engines (safari4, chrome, opera10, mozilla 3.5) if it is at all, normally it just runs!
Compare that to the problem of adding another 30% of coding time for the IE and you can see where things are heading. I am glad mobile devices for now are moving away from Microsoft software, and my hope is that Microsoft wont realize that the battle for the next generation of webapps will be on mobile devices for a long time, long enough so that they cannot stop the development towards html5 upfront with their Web malware!
No worries authoring tools will come, it is as usual first the web developers will use it later on Adobe or another company integrates it in their toolchain then the graphics artits will start to use it as well.
It always has been like that!
Besides that HD gaming already was previvalent on the PC for years, do moving to HD was no reason it already was there!
Of course it is bullshit, if you talk directly to developers they even say, that 3d games are cheaper to produce than 2d (sounds funny but it really is like that) because the tooling already is that good!
One of the reasons why everyone makes 3d games only, and one of the reasons why most new releases are shooters, the engines simply were derived from shooters, and a shooter is the minimal effort you can do!
PC gaming already is cheaper, you can get a totally new gaming capable rig for 500$, if you count that in most cases you just have to upgrade the graphic card for 99$, and that games are 20-30% cheaper on average, the case for consoles is just that you can play in the living room. But this case is closing also since if you have a hdmi enabled TV you just need a dvi to hdmi connector!
Well over here in Europe we had also the digital switch, but about 3-5 years ago. The converter box program also was in place. But as I see it you cannot switch off old technology without providing the people an upgrade path. And face it in the long run over here everyone is pretty happy with the switch, because they picture quality has improved, and you get more channels for free, and add to that that USB sticks for DTV cost almost nothing so that they become PC standard equipment!
DTV is the classic forced update of a technology that had worked just fine for decades.
They can talk all they like about picture quality (true, if you have a good signal), but the truth is they
are forcing the sale of a lot of new hardware, and are
making it easier for broadcasters to control what people do with the signals
they receive. It's all about control and money. Isn't everything?
...laura
Truth is, that you can get away for free with the cupons, which are financed by the sales of the now empty frequencies for other services. Truth is also that you can shove more channels into the spectrum which might save you a cable contract in the long run. Truth also is that the picture quality especially coming from the lousy US NTSC is way better.
Btw. we over here in europe had the switch about 5 years ago, I have never heard that much of complaining, we also had the cupon project. And no whining was there, and mostly people are pretty happy here that they had switched. Better picture quality, altough it was no such a big step from PAL which anyway was superior to NTSC, and the biggest plus more channels and cheap receiver usb sticks for their PCs.
So there is another coin to the switch!
The problem also is that outside of the PS3 blue ray causes a load of problems, there is so much shit being pushed into the blue ray players both by the spec and by those who build the players that you really have to play safe not to be burned by shitty manufacturers or upgrades which basically render your machine useless.
The only safe bet so far is the PS3 and some high end players. But the PS3 has the problem of not really fitting into a rack except on the very top of it (one lessen all console manufacturers should learn, also build machines which can be put into a rack, sheesh)
The doubling rate is relative given the fact that 90% of all Blue Ray players sold are PS3s...
Im pretty sure they know it but it is very convenient to have a scapegoat and then to say
we have a problem but we are doing something. That will work at least for another 10 years
thanks to politicians who sell out for small amounts!
We have fucksony, sonysucks, gaystation, and the n-word.
Heh. So the words fuck, suck, and gay are fine but nigger is taboo? When did that happen?
Around 1997, why do you ask? ;-)
The problem was that the latest prince of persia was not even fun, btw. whoever hired the actor for the prince should be hit with rotten eggs for at least a week, the same goes for the game designer who basically designed the same level 23 times with different graphics and forced you to beat every boss about 5 times without change of strategy!
Well to be serious the latest Prince of Persia in itself was already a watered down gaming experience...
I loved the series, but the latest part was besides the graphics the worst there ever was and that includes the first 3d one!
Seriously, way too overpriced compared to the DS. And say what you will, existing PSP owners wont convert nobody wants to throw away a perfectly fine UMD collection and rebuy all the games again.
I am not sure what Sony thought introducing it, but definitely this thing seems Dead on Arrival to me!
Well the main problem of Adult gamer in my opinion is that it gathers only to the 15-22 age crowd, which means pointless violence and no substance!
What the industry understands as adult gamer should be labeled late teen male crowd!
Not sure how the attach rate is, but I have about 20 games for the Wii on the shelve, and about 10 in the virtual console!
But last year I played mostly PC partially because not too many interesting things came out. This year seems to be better however with a few games in the line which really interest me!
Actually of the entire List I personlly think just Red Steel sucks, and the reason for it is that I hate shooters, I think the rest of games are pretty good!
But I see the Wii as good addition to the PC which I play mostly!
So you say realism is improved because you cannot feel things!
Hardcore gaming is not their market anymore. Look at the DS and its sales. Then look at the number of sales of games considered high learning curve and games like brain age and nintendogs.
They are competing... on a diferent market. If you are like me and those "casual" type games dont amuse you then Nintendo is no longer for you.
You've got to be kidding ... the DS has like 7 billion games available, covering pretty much every imaginable genre in great depth.
Sure there are vast quantities of "brain age" and "kanji master 10" type games, but there are vast quantities of every type of game on the DS....
Yes but the main problem with the DS as well is the overpresence of kids games on the store shelves, for every
adult game are 10 pony games and 20 disney movie tie ins. It seems that those games simply sell on the Nintendo consoles!
Stop sitting on quality games that have been released in Japan and release them elsewhere! I'm still waiting on fatal frame for the wii, and won't be buying another Nintendo game until I can purchase that! Tecmo hasn't had a problem releasing the other 3, and the sales have not been that bad in the states/Europe. UGH, I guess I'm still jaded that they're holding onto a shiny that I want, and am willing to part with money for.
Anyway, where are the good wii games anyway? I walk through the store and look at the Wii releases, and it feels like I'm in the kids section. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I guess. There is no reason not to offer them if that's what your consumers want, but why Nintendo (not Nintendo in Japan apparently) won't you release your high quality games over here? Will it ruin your family system image that for whatever reason you're doing your best to keep? It still makes no sense, there are already other more violent games out there!
The main issue is that there is an overpresence of kids games on the shelves while others clearly exist.
Okami, Tenchu Shadow Assassins, MadWorld, Godfather Blackhand Edition, Resi4, Metroid, Okami, Sam and Max, Strong Bad, Excite Truck, Excite Bugs, Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings, Red Steel, Disaster Day of Crisis, Endless Ocean, No More Heroes and many others I probably can dig up none of them I would call a kids game. The games are there, but if a Barby whatever game sells more all the sovelware gets the space!
While technologically impressive I have one problem with it, missing force feedback control and no additional controllers outside of behaviors. I cannot see this thing going anywhere except for some sports (especially fitness) games without it.
The sony technology was very close to nintendo however, but there at least force feedback probably will be possible, but additional fine grained controls like nintendo has it on the wiimote also still are missing but could be added theoretically!
However Nintendo should be worried, because of the lack of HD support and their absymal performance in the games area 2008 (which slowly is changing this year).
This depends, most of the times corporate installations are run for the people who have to deal with the machines as end users, those installations are perfectly fine for this case, but often they leave out the developers who have entirely different needs and need an entirely different toolchain which might even be different from project to project. So having more freedom for those people is appreciated!
Actually the Tarkovskij version only is loosely connected to the book. He follows the main storyline but tells his own story, and the movie is a masterpiece, but probably hard to grasp for an american audience!
Actually what you would call dull, is acknowledged one of the greatest masterpieces of cinema, Andreij Tarkovskisj Solaris adaption!
The main problem is that Tarkovskij basically made a 3 hour epos about guilt religion and believe out of the book. Hard to swallow for the american action movie audience!