I'm *not* necessarily taking Google's side here, just playing devil's advocate to see what happens with the discussion.
IANAL, but free (beer) != free (unencumbered). An encyclopedia might be PD, which means there are no restrictions on copying or using it, but you still may need to pay some sort of money to acquire the material. You *are* paying for your internet connection to get to the webopedia, right?
Likewise, IIRC, Dover Books makes money by reprinting old textbooks that have gone PD after their copyrights expired, but you still need to pay to get a copy because there are printing costs, etc.
We have The Ohio State University and Ohio University, but no University of Ohio... at least not in Ohio. [NOTE: There are a number of other state-funded Universities: Bowling Green, Toledo, Akron, Kent, Miami, Case Western Reserve, et. al., but none of them have 'Ohio' in their name, except maybe Miami, which is often called "Miami of Ohio" to distinguish it from Miami University in Florida.]
This isn't ever going to be "over" because even if Goodger and his band of merry maintainers get ticked off and give up, the code is still out there, and it's still open source! Anyone and everyone willing to comply with the license has the freedom to fork their own version and do their own thing with it.
In a very real sense, that's Microsoft's biggest obstacle here - the fact that there is no controlling entity to buy off/defeat/take over/etc, because open source projects don't stop until **everyone** decides it's not worth pursuing anymore.
For a truly secure OS, you should remove all applications and just run the OS in its pure state.
...unplug it from the network.... remove the mouse, keyboard and power supply.... seal it in a steel-lined concrete tomb and bury bunker behind armed guards....
I'm horribly confused about why humans are adversely affected by talking on a hands-free cell phone, but talking to other passengers in a conversation is completely benign.
Yeah, sorry I didn't make that more clear typing over my oatmeal. My idea is an is entirely reversible consumer-installed hardware upgrade that gets Linux on the desktop for under 40 samoleans.
She might be - you can draw a picture of which cables go where and how to mount it. You can't draw a picture of how to answer all the install/config questions and what to do with your data files. My idea is also recoverable (meaning you can easily go back if you want) and how much are hard drives - $40 for 40GB?
I have an idea - because m&d have trouble installing new software, why not sell Linux preinstalled (with all the autodetection, etc.) on a new hard drive? They buy the HD, take it home, unplug the old one and plug in the new one. If they hate it, they can take the Linux drive out and replace it with the original. PLUS, loading costs are minimal because you can clone everything from a preconfigured master system.
USE THIS DEVICE AT YOUR OWN RISK -- I'm not taking the heat if you end up with an FCC fine. They're legal devices, but they can be used illegally if you turn up the power too high, so make **SURE** you understand the regulations that cover the use of these things before you plug it in.
Furthermore, over the course of an hour, the service won't let you stream any more than four songs from the same artist, or any more than three from the same album. Such are the vagaries of digital-rights laws. Again, this isn't a huge problem if you're in a radio frame of mind. When you tune into the radio, you don't expect to hear song after song from the same artist.
I agree entirely, and it occurred to me a long time ago that one of the larget battles being fought in the security industry is over control of the language.
Everyone thinks they have an idea of what the word "secure" means, but the truth is that so many people in this industry -- who should ALL know better -- use that word in such a sloppy, haphazard, situational fashion that it doesn't really mean anything anymore. When Microsoft says "secure" they mean one thing; when Verisign says "secure" they mean something entirely different; the sendmail dev team means something else.
Not only has this diluted whatever value the word may have had, but it confuses the very people that you can least afford to confuse - the millions of people who turn these things on every day and respond to spam, send online greeting cards and panic when someone emails them a warning about an virus putting their CPU in an 'nth infinite loop' .
Bruce Schneier is *the* *man*. Period. In fact, I'm beginning to think we should pay him write an online competency test users need to pass before DHCP assigns them an address.
Expandability used to be a concern, but hardware prices drop and platforms (motherboards) change so rapidly that it can be difficult to find repair or upgrade parts for a pc that's only a couple of years old. Even if you can find parts, prices almost always make simple repairs prohibitively expensive compared to simply replacing with new. Realizing this a couple of years ago, I built myself a Shuttle SN41G2 and other than the occasionally annoying fan noise (RRRRRrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrRRRRRRRRRR), it's a prefect fit for me.
I don't really buy desktop PCs with expandability in mind anymore -- especially with the emergence of USB and Firewire as truly usable expansion interfaces, I'll just add external hardware.
The meager good news if this project succeeds is that prices (for music, movies, etc.) are going to plummet because there's no way I'm buying into this marlin carp, errr... crap without some kind of bribery. I suspect most home users are the same way, even my mother-in-law.
Look at it this way -- garbage ideas like self-destructing 48 hour DVD's sold at $5 each is a marketing disaster. BUT, if they were 50 cents each, even I would have to consider trying them. The trick to making it work is somewhere between 50 cents and 5 dollars.
Ahhh, the good old days! Those of you younger than 35 or so aren't going to remember how much fun it was learning about digital cicuit design on an Apple ][ with Rocky's Boots written by Warren Robinett -- the guy that hid his name in the Atari game Adventure and kicked off the whole easter egg craze.
Chicken and egg? It looks like everyone's pretty much agreed on MP3 as the standard universal compressed audio format. Like VHS, It's good *enough*, and even if it has IP and quality issues, they clearly aren't compelling enough to force seek alternatives because it works *everywhere*, which is what the digital music revolution is really about. (It used to be that app development stopped when the program could do email, now hardware development stops when you can play MP3s and take pictures - go figure!)
If MP3 were the only audio format out there, OGG might have more widespread acceptance as the 'free alternative', but with WMA, AAC, RM ATRAC (whatever) and the other formats that are available, **my** eyes start to glaze over, and I work with computers for a living!
I think OGG needs a sugardaddy -- a sponsor like Linux has with IBM -- someone with bucks that can really take ownership of pushing it into the marketplace by demonstrating its power and versatility. Sony has the position and clout to do that, but there's no way their music division would go for it.
Ugh! Please, someone, anyone, explain to these munchers that in a scientific context, "theory" is not the opposite of "fact"!
*That's* why they shouldn't be allowed to put these labels on books, not because of their religious positions! You need to understand what the words mean before you try to use them.
P.S. I'm a Christian, but this frosts me somethin' awful!
P.P.S. I also get ticked off at scientific types who deny the existence of God because they can't find facts to support it.
P.P.S. I actually think anyone who gets into debates like this (on either side) has completely missed the point no matter which side they are on.
Why can't people get it through their heads that Microsoft's problems are part of the natural course of free-market economics? They didn't start out a huge business, placing their OS on everyone's computer. They *earned* that position through superior marketing and business deals.
Again, your memory needs refreshing....
Indeed. I would also point out that Microsoft it, in fact, a *convicted* *monopolist*. Period. The election and subsequent settlement occurred during the penalty phase after MS's guilt had been established.
About four or five months back, I used Knoppix to rebuild the boot record for my main HD when it got totally horked, allowing me to copy about five years worth of personal files and data to a backup drive temporarily while I reinstalled WinXP.
...of course, it was the Ubuntu installer (another Deb-based distro), coupled with my own stupidity trying to set up dual-boot with WinXP that hosed it up in the first place.
Anyone who uses the words "rock solid" to describe any sort of network, server, pc or device can't be trusted. They either don't know what they are talking about, or they may be trying to cover something up, or both.
Thank you for showing me that I am not alone in thinking this.
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Furthermore, RAID won't help you a bit with filesystem errors or if individual files get accidentally deleted or corrupted.
That's why we run tape backups every night.
I'm *not* necessarily taking Google's side here, just playing devil's advocate to see what happens with the discussion.
IANAL, but free (beer) != free (unencumbered). An encyclopedia might be PD, which means there are no restrictions on copying or using it, but you still may need to pay some sort of money to acquire the material. You *are* paying for your internet connection to get to the webopedia, right?
Likewise, IIRC, Dover Books makes money by reprinting old textbooks that have gone PD after their copyrights expired, but you still need to pay to get a copy because there are printing costs, etc.
We have The Ohio State University and Ohio University, but no University of Ohio... at least not in Ohio. [NOTE: There are a number of other state-funded Universities: Bowling Green, Toledo, Akron, Kent, Miami, Case Western Reserve, et. al., but none of them have 'Ohio' in their name, except maybe Miami, which is often called "Miami of Ohio" to distinguish it from Miami University in Florida.]
I noticed the launch of this idiotic campaign in a commercial that aired during the Super Bowl.
Didn't the market already DE-SELECT this sort of business model from surviving?
I seem to recall a whole slew of post-Napster1.0 music download companies going out of business becuase nobody wanted music on a subscription basis.
Maybe I'm just mis-remembering.
Yeah, I thought that was interesting, too.
This isn't ever going to be "over" because even if Goodger and his band of merry maintainers get ticked off and give up, the code is still out there, and it's still open source! Anyone and everyone willing to comply with the license has the freedom to fork their own version and do their own thing with it.
In a very real sense, that's Microsoft's biggest obstacle here - the fact that there is no controlling entity to buy off/defeat/take over/etc, because open source projects don't stop until **everyone** decides it's not worth pursuing anymore.
For a truly secure OS, you should remove all applications and just run the OS in its pure state.
But do you really want the system to record the fact that you browse armadillo porn?
Why -- do you know where I can score some?
I'm horribly confused about why humans are adversely affected by talking on a hands-free cell phone, but talking to other passengers in a conversation is completely benign.
Maybe it's the tiny, tiny little buttons?
I dunno, but I find it simply fascinating....
OK, 50 samoleans. Newegg has several 40GB hard drives under $50 US.
Yeah, sorry I didn't make that more clear typing over my oatmeal. My idea is an is entirely reversible consumer-installed hardware upgrade that gets Linux on the desktop for under 40 samoleans.
She might be - you can draw a picture of which cables go where and how to mount it. You can't draw a picture of how to answer all the install/config questions and what to do with your data files. My idea is also recoverable (meaning you can easily go back if you want) and how much are hard drives - $40 for 40GB?
I have an idea - because m&d have trouble installing new software, why not sell Linux preinstalled (with all the autodetection, etc.) on a new hard drive? They buy the HD, take it home, unplug the old one and plug in the new one. If they hate it, they can take the Linux drive out and replace it with the original. PLUS, loading costs are minimal because you can clone everything from a preconfigured master system.
Whaddayathink?
You probably want a Stereo FM Modulator.
Ramsey makes and sells kits like this one for home/hobbyist use.
USE THIS DEVICE AT YOUR OWN RISK -- I'm not taking the heat if you end up with an FCC fine. They're legal devices, but they can be used illegally if you turn up the power too high, so make **SURE** you understand the regulations that cover the use of these things before you plug it in.
Furthermore, over the course of an hour, the service won't let you stream any more than four songs from the same artist, or any more than three from the same album. Such are the vagaries of digital-rights laws. Again, this isn't a huge problem if you're in a radio frame of mind. When you tune into the radio, you don't expect to hear song after song from the same artist.
Clearly, this guy's never heard of ClearChannel.
How does this get around ASCAP the royalty fees that are causing headaches for internet radio broadcast stations?
But this situation is not covered by a contract, it's covered by a license, and your rights are different as a result. I found an article on the GPL where Eben Moglen explains the difference.
Forced obsolescence is yet another reason why EULAs must be stopped, or at least mitigated.
I agree entirely, and it occurred to me a long time ago that one of the larget battles being fought in the security industry is over control of the language.
Everyone thinks they have an idea of what the word "secure" means, but the truth is that so many people in this industry -- who should ALL know better -- use that word in such a sloppy, haphazard, situational fashion that it doesn't really mean anything anymore. When Microsoft says "secure" they mean one thing; when Verisign says "secure" they mean something entirely different; the sendmail dev team means something else.
Not only has this diluted whatever value the word may have had, but it confuses the very people that you can least afford to confuse - the millions of people who turn these things on every day and respond to spam, send online greeting cards and panic when someone emails them a warning about an virus putting their CPU in an 'nth infinite loop' .
Bruce Schneier is *the* *man*. Period. In fact, I'm beginning to think we should pay him write an online competency test users need to pass before DHCP assigns them an address.
Expandability used to be a concern, but hardware prices drop and platforms (motherboards) change so rapidly that it can be difficult to find repair or upgrade parts for a pc that's only a couple of years old. Even if you can find parts, prices almost always make simple repairs prohibitively expensive compared to simply replacing with new. Realizing this a couple of years ago, I built myself a Shuttle SN41G2 and other than the occasionally annoying fan noise (RRRRRrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrRRRRRRRRRR), it's a prefect fit for me.
I don't really buy desktop PCs with expandability in mind anymore -- especially with the emergence of USB and Firewire as truly usable expansion interfaces, I'll just add external hardware.
The meager good news if this project succeeds is that prices (for music, movies, etc.) are going to plummet because there's no way I'm buying into this marlin carp, errr... crap without some kind of bribery. I suspect most home users are the same way, even my mother-in-law.
Look at it this way -- garbage ideas like self-destructing 48 hour DVD's sold at $5 each is a marketing disaster. BUT, if they were 50 cents each, even I would have to consider trying them. The trick to making it work is somewhere between 50 cents and 5 dollars.
Ahhh, the good old days! Those of you younger than 35 or so aren't going to remember how much fun it was learning about digital cicuit design on an Apple ][ with Rocky's Boots written by Warren Robinett -- the guy that hid his name in the Atari game Adventure and kicked off the whole easter egg craze.
Chicken and egg? It looks like everyone's pretty much agreed on MP3 as the standard universal compressed audio format. Like VHS, It's good *enough*, and even if it has IP and quality issues, they clearly aren't compelling enough to force seek alternatives because it works *everywhere*, which is what the digital music revolution is really about. (It used to be that app development stopped when the program could do email, now hardware development stops when you can play MP3s and take pictures - go figure!)
If MP3 were the only audio format out there, OGG might have more widespread acceptance as the 'free alternative', but with WMA, AAC, RM ATRAC (whatever) and the other formats that are available, **my** eyes start to glaze over, and I work with computers for a living!
I think OGG needs a sugardaddy -- a sponsor like Linux has with IBM -- someone with bucks that can really take ownership of pushing it into the marketplace by demonstrating its power and versatility. Sony has the position and clout to do that, but there's no way their music division would go for it.
Ugh! Please, someone, anyone, explain to these munchers that in a scientific context, "theory" is not the opposite of "fact"!
*That's* why they shouldn't be allowed to put these labels on books, not because of their religious positions! You need to understand what the words mean before you try to use them.
P.S. I'm a Christian, but this frosts me somethin' awful!
P.P.S. I also get ticked off at scientific types who deny the existence of God because they can't find facts to support it.
P.P.S. I actually think anyone who gets into debates like this (on either side) has completely missed the point no matter which side they are on.
Why can't people get it through their heads that Microsoft's problems are part of the natural course of free-market economics? They didn't start out a huge business, placing their OS on everyone's computer. They *earned* that position through superior marketing and business deals.
Again, your memory needs refreshing....
Indeed. I would also point out that Microsoft it, in fact, a *convicted* *monopolist*. Period. The election and subsequent settlement occurred during the penalty phase after MS's guilt had been established.
Here's a link to a timeline for the interminably lazy.
About four or five months back, I used Knoppix to rebuild the boot record for my main HD when it got totally horked, allowing me to copy about five years worth of personal files and data to a backup drive temporarily while I reinstalled WinXP.
(*sigh*)
I have a rule of thumb:
Anyone who uses the words "rock solid" to describe any sort of network, server, pc or device can't be trusted. They either don't know what they are talking about, or they may be trying to cover something up, or both.
Thank you for showing me that I am not alone in thinking this.