Actually, I'm not especially fond of Java. However, I'd like to see something better shove Java out of the way, rather than it getting railroaded based on a promise Microsoft has made about the potential of.NET.
As it happens, I've recently become quite interested in the work going on with Parrot, because of the possibility for language neutrality.
A lot of the older Macs had quite a bit of money invested in them in terms of audio and video hardware, and thus have quite a bit of productive life ahead of them. If a person can play around with Mac OS X without having to buy a new Mac that wouldn't fit their needs, it might be worth it.
I guess I just have a problem with the idea of Apple playing "catch-up" with Microsoft, especially now that the most compelling reasons to use a Mac lie in applications that are exclusive to the Mac.
If Apple starts saying "buy a Mac so you can run Ms Money", people are going to look at this and wonder why they shouldn't just buy a Windows machine in the first place.
And yes, I personally don't like it. I find the playing up of Office while AppleWorks goes neglected a shame. But I also think it makes business sense. Apple has survived because it can distinguish itself and give people a reason to drop a few hundred dollars more.
The impression I've gotten is that it's a potentially cross-platform application framework that will ideally be language-neutral(sort of like how AppleEvents can be accessed by any number of languages, with AppleScript simply being the default).
Even if it does live up to the hype, I fail to see why any Mac developer, and especially Apple itself, would have even the slightest interest in bringing it to Mac OS X.
Mac OS X already has a nice platform-neutral framework. It's called Java(and.NET strikes me as only slightly more than vaporware designed to kill Java by FUD). We also have a really nice native, rapid development, compiled(and thus, fast) framework. It's called Cocoa, and it is fairly language neutral(Obj-C, Java, Python, Ruby, Eiffel) too.
So, if we embrace this new CLx(MS changes the last letter about once a week), and Mono comes to Mac OS X, we can write compelling new programs that also run in Windows. Gee, why not just save some time and just petition Apple to sell Dell machines at the Apple Store?
The Macintosh community has a wonderful set of frameworks and APIs that have been refined over the course of almost two decades. Ditching all of that for Microsoft's "Next Big Thing" would be sheer lunacy.
Actually, only the motherboard and case are proprietary.
And if you compare prices AND features, Macs are generally less expensive across the entire model line, except in the case that you build your own system.
That, and if I recall correctly, wxPython isn't yet a reality on MacOS, so even though Tk is somewhat broken under = OS 9, Tkinter apps will still run on more platforms than ones done with wxPython.
While Mac OS X is very nice on recent machines(it's running quite well on my Lime 266MHz iMac with only 96MB of 66MHz RAM), it's certainly not meant for older machines. Yes, Darwin can run on even older PPCs, and some have even claimed it can outperform Linux in web and file server tasks. And it's even open source.
However, for those who wish to dabble in the *nix world without getting in too deep, a well-designed Linux distribution is probably a better option.
Really? I have the exact same model, but with only 128MB of RAM sitting right next to me. Currently it's running:
Finder(always on)
Internet Explorer
Mail
Sherlock
Terminal
iTunes
QuickTime Player
System Preferences
iColumns
myPong
Pertetride(Tetris game running in Classic)
AOL IM
Aimster
The change wasn't associated with the introduction of FireWire to the iMac, if memory serves, but rather to the revision(codenamed "Kihei") that brought the slot-loading drive to the iMac.
I have both a Lime(266MHz) iMac, and an Indigo(500MHz) iMac in front of me, and the cases are noticeably different.
Don't assume that since he doesn't want to go through all the crap of two years of boring electives that he is not "intensifyingly bright". After all, his salary is increasing at a rate greater than Moore's Law; which makes me wonder why the hell he wants
Thank you! I think I fit that category as well(33 ACT, 1410 SAT, 5 on Calculus and Physics AP exams), and I don't want to be mired in classes that are boring, but which I can't write off because they're boring in excruciating(and tested) detail.
I have skills I'd like to apply now, and various employers have said that I'm perfectly qualified, save for lack of a degree, which could be in basketweaving, for all they care.
After all, his salary is increasing at a rate greater than Moore's Law; which makes me wonder why the hell he wants to go back to school in the first place.:)
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I'm just thinking that if you understand the limitations of the hardware, even a stock 604e might be worth sticking OS X on just for a trial run.
Then again, that's what the Apple Store(and employees too nice to kick you out) is for.
Actually, I'm not especially fond of Java. However, I'd like to see something better shove Java out of the way, rather than it getting railroaded based on a promise Microsoft has made about the potential of .NET.
As it happens, I've recently become quite interested in the work going on with Parrot, because of the possibility for language neutrality.
A lot of the older Macs had quite a bit of money invested in them in terms of audio and video hardware, and thus have quite a bit of productive life ahead of them. If a person can play around with Mac OS X without having to buy a new Mac that wouldn't fit their needs, it might be worth it.
I guess I just have a problem with the idea of Apple playing "catch-up" with Microsoft, especially now that the most compelling reasons to use a Mac lie in applications that are exclusive to the Mac.
If Apple starts saying "buy a Mac so you can run Ms Money", people are going to look at this and wonder why they shouldn't just buy a Windows machine in the first place.
And yes, I personally don't like it. I find the playing up of Office while AppleWorks goes neglected a shame. But I also think it makes business sense. Apple has survived because it can distinguish itself and give people a reason to drop a few hundred dollars more.
The impression I've gotten is that it's a potentially cross-platform application framework that will ideally be language-neutral(sort of like how AppleEvents can be accessed by any number of languages, with AppleScript simply being the default).
.NET strikes me as only slightly more than vaporware designed to kill Java by FUD). We also have a really nice native, rapid development, compiled(and thus, fast) framework. It's called Cocoa, and it is fairly language neutral(Obj-C, Java, Python, Ruby, Eiffel) too.
Even if it does live up to the hype, I fail to see why any Mac developer, and especially Apple itself, would have even the slightest interest in bringing it to Mac OS X.
Mac OS X already has a nice platform-neutral framework. It's called Java(and
So, if we embrace this new CLx(MS changes the last letter about once a week), and Mono comes to Mac OS X, we can write compelling new programs that also run in Windows. Gee, why not just save some time and just petition Apple to sell Dell machines at the Apple Store?
The Macintosh community has a wonderful set of frameworks and APIs that have been refined over the course of almost two decades. Ditching all of that for Microsoft's "Next Big Thing" would be sheer lunacy.
Yes, OS X will work on 604 based Macs, with a little bit of hackery. Not sure about 603 support.
There also might be battery life issues with the 20GB drive.
Actually, only the motherboard and case are proprietary.
And if you compare prices AND features, Macs are generally less expensive across the entire model line, except in the case that you build your own system.
Why would anyone use Windows at all if they had a Mac?
As it is on all Mac OS X machines(unless things are different for Server, but I doubt it).
Bash is easily insalled via Fink, though.
No, Microsoft has told everyone they're going to do this for the next major revision of their flagship operating system.
Of course, we all know Microsoft is far too responsible to make optimistic claims about vaporware.
Six months before Windows supports it.
Actually.....
PowerMac G4s, and G3s in the blue and white "Yosemite" enclosure have been known to come out of 1000 degree infernos with their internals functional.
That, and if I recall correctly, wxPython isn't yet a reality on MacOS, so even though Tk is somewhat broken under = OS 9, Tkinter apps will still run on more platforms than ones done with wxPython.
While Mac OS X is very nice on recent machines(it's running quite well on my Lime 266MHz iMac with only 96MB of 66MHz RAM), it's certainly not meant for older machines. Yes, Darwin can run on even older PPCs, and some have even claimed it can outperform Linux in web and file server tasks. And it's even open source.
However, for those who wish to dabble in the *nix world without getting in too deep, a well-designed Linux distribution is probably a better option.
Really? I have the exact same model, but with only 128MB of RAM sitting right next to me. Currently it's running:
Finder(always on)
Internet Explorer
Mail
Sherlock
Terminal
iTunes
QuickTime Player
System Preferences
iColumns
myPong
Pertetride(Tetris game running in Classic)
AOL IM
Aimster
And it's perfectly responsive.
Python,Smalltalk...
...Ruby
The change wasn't associated with the introduction of FireWire to the iMac, if memory serves, but rather to the revision(codenamed "Kihei") that brought the slot-loading drive to the iMac.
I have both a Lime(266MHz) iMac, and an Indigo(500MHz) iMac in front of me, and the cases are noticeably different.
Don't assume that since he doesn't want to go through all the crap of two years of boring electives that he is not "intensifyingly bright". After all, his salary is increasing at a rate greater than Moore's Law; which makes me wonder why the hell he wants
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Thank you! I think I fit that category as well(33 ACT, 1410 SAT, 5 on Calculus and Physics AP exams), and I don't want to be mired in classes that are boring, but which I can't write off because they're boring in excruciating(and tested) detail.
I have skills I'd like to apply now, and various employers have said that I'm perfectly qualified, save for lack of a degree, which could be in basketweaving, for all they care.
After all, his salary is increasing at a rate greater than Moore's Law; which makes me wonder why the hell he wants to go back to school in the first place.
Perhaps because now he can afford it!