It's not necessary for the soldiers to knowingly be on a mission to murder her. If someone high up wanted Sgrena dead, they might have "forgotten" to tell the chek-point soldiers about the incoming car, expecting all of the occupants would have been killed by the soldiers. When the soldiers realised it was no suicide missions, they rescued the survivors from the wreck.
Your theory sounds like a dumb hollywood script. If they wanted her dead it would be far simpler to get someone to put on native clothing and pump her vehicle with RPG and AK fire. The tactic you offer is too unreliable.
I guess it depends where you live. In the UK, if I made jerky motions into my pocket when puled over for a routine traffic accident, I certainly wouldn't expect to get shot.
And if I was, there'd be a public outcry. Don't assume we're all trigger happy.
However if you were Irish and in Northern Ireland your odds of being shot are probably higher than in the U.S. and there would be no outcry against the British soldier's decision to shoot by the British public.
We need a "russian roulette" game distributed to the idiots who like to emulate video games in the real world. Hmm..., maybe a "russian roulette" music video too.
The movie "The Deer Hunter" helped a little in the 70s but it was a little too slow/long to reach all the right people, apparently some of them bred.
What I find amazing is that you're studying for a PhD and yet you can't use the proper form of your. Not to mention you can't spell route.:|
You are clueless.
(1) Since his PhD is not in English or a related field your "point" is pointless.
(2) Typos, brainfarts, etc happen. Proofreading is common for one's thesis, it's largely a waste of time for slashdot. Who care's what happens here. Your posts are unimportant, just like everyone's replies.
You point is meaningless, when the shuttle was on it's second mission it was also 2 for 2. Your comments are degrading from asinine to just plain dumb. The shuttle and the mars rover, and unmanned and manned flight, are so different they can not be compared.
Now the shuttle engineers.... thats a whole different story!
The shuttle engineers did an outstanding job, keep in mind that much of it is 70s design. Some of it 60s? Now factor in all the politicians and outside organizations that meddled with the design. The funding cuts and other problems that undermined day to day operations. Engineers have to use what is available now and what is within budget, and the shuttle guys did an outstanding job at the time. Today's situation is largely the result of politics and the short sightendness of the voter, not engineering.
What you say is true: but it is also true that American sanctions on Iraq made Saddam's barbary all the more, well, barbaric
Wrong, United Nations sanctions.
It's the whole murderer for hire thing...
Wrong, unlike your hypothetical murderer the intent of the United Nations and the Unites States was to avoid harm. We even went to extreme measure by creating the Oil for Food program.
Don't misread me here, I don't think this is right, but China is really a very nice place and 90% of the criticism it gets is misplaced propaganda left over from the cold war.
I live and work in the PRC, and have for 3 years. I've also lived and worked in Singapore. I think I'm as qualified as any to make the comparison.
I disagree. Your stay in the PRC is most likely largely favorable because of the wonderful people you interacted with. The people are not the problem, their government is. The government is every bit as dangerous as Pinochet and Saddam. The government is merely functioning, today, as a benevolant dictator, in some respects. Again, Tiannamen was not that long ago. From the US perspective the Navy EP-3 midair collision demonstrates that the cold war era suspicion of their government is still warranted. The Chinese people deserve much better.
As for Singapore, that's a different topic and their excesses to not justify or mitigate communist China's.
Smart of you to limit the US starving of people to "its own citizens". It's much cleaner that way, as it leaves out the starving of quite a few hundred thousand Iraqis since the beginning of the US sanctions in the early 90's.
Uh, the US didn't starve those people. Saddam starved those people. He impeded United Nations inspectors. He diverted Unitied Nations Oil For Food money. He manufactured his people's suffering so that he could use them for propoganda. He went on a palace building spree. He spent money on weapons systems.
Whether or not the US invasion was justified is one topic, don't let any hard feeling you have about that delude you regarding what Saddam did to his people.
Don't forget, China isn't the -only- country with smears on its history.
True, but we are not discussing who has smears on their history. We are discussing whether there is any evidence that the lack of trust from cold war days is no longer warranted.
Was Tiananmen Square in the 60s? No.
Was the Navy EP-3 midair crash in the 60s? No.
While you can argue that localized domain names are not much of an issue and that things are being blown way out of proportion, it is asinine to declare that the days of being wary of communist china are long gone. When the chinese citizens can vote anyone out of office then we can revisit the trust issue.
Actually, you'll have to buy a new system in order to get it: x64 Windows releases will not be sold on retail shelves - only as an option from manufacturers selling PCs...
If the OEM version is available from white-box clone shops, and therefore also at swapmeets, then all you need to buy is a motherboard or hard drive. Maybe other hardware components qualify you for the OEM as well but I do not recall. Well that's the way it used to work with the 32-bit versions. Swapmeet vendors were bad about enforcing this and MS went on a crackdown. Some creative vendors became very strict about you having to buy a hard drive. They had a pile of 540MB drives, used, as-is, no warranty, US$5 each, for people wanting an OEM copy of Windows.
Yes I am aware you can lock a spreadsheet but how long before someone (usually a manager) makes a "special" change and before long all sorts of "special" changes occur and things start to get rapidly out of synch.
Spreadsheets can be viewed as a type of programming and this problem has been solved for programming. It's called version control, check the spreadsheet in CVS.
Corporations are the collection point for taxes on the labor of customers.
Going with this particular theoretical model the worker is triply taxed. On his wages, directly on his purchases (sales tax, gasoline tax, etc.), and finally indirectly on his purchases via corporations. If the corporation can be an agent of government and collect taxes why can it not also be an agent of the customer representing the customer's interests in a particular field. One role is as valid as the other.
In any advent your argument fails to demonstrate why corporation should not be allowed to address Congress on matters that affect their owners and customers. It's frightening that you find the fewer perspective and opinions presented to legislators the better. I thought that economic/political theory died a decade ago?
What sort of bullshit is this? Corporations aren't people; they're composed of people. The people who comprise the corporation are the ones who get to vote.
Using your (il)logic labor unions should not be allowed a voice either. They are composed of people and those people have a vote. So do you advance the opinion that labor unions should not be allowed to petition congress or are you a hypocrite?
"The corporation and the individuals that comprise the corporation are *both* taxed. Therefore they *both* get a voice".
That's a crock. Corporations are collecting points for taxing the labor of *customers*. Where the hell do you think the corporation gets its money from? Trees?
You need to (re)take Economics 101, Jack.
All *three* groups, corporations, workers, and customers, are taxed independently. They all get voice.
"Labor of customers"? Sure you didn't mean "labor of workers", "convenience of customers", professor?
What sort of bullshit is this? Corporations aren't people; they're composed of people. The people who comprise the corporation are the ones who get to vote.
The corporation and the individuals that comprise the corporation are *both* taxed. Therefore they *both* get a voice.
No they should not. They are not real persons, and by definitions have no interests except profits.
If they are to have no voice in Congress they should not be taxed. "No taxation without representation" is one of the principles behind the birth of the United States.
And don't give me this corporations are evil crap and corporations pay no taxes crap. I've had serveral friends start their own business, and I've seen them pay plenty of taxes and act in a way balancing competitiveness and morality. Their companies have just as much right to send their Congressman a letter as I do.
Also don't be hypocritical. When a congressman proposes some dumb-ass legislation that in unpopular around here and someone like IBM steps up to oppose it we all cheer.
This taught me that history is a funny thing. It really is that the victor writes history with total disregard for the truth.
But the history here is a book written by a San Francisco gay who died of Aids? Are you saying his indictment of federal, state, and local government, and gay rights activists, are inaccurate? I don't think the omission of important CDC work invalidates these other criticisms.
I am sorry but I have only seen the movie and just now learned of the book.
No they should not. They are not real persons, and by definitions have no interests except profits.
And individuals petitioning congress never have self-centered motivations and propose things beneficial to themselves but harmful to society overall? And none of these individuals have loads of money?
Your post reminded me of "And The Band Played On", I recalled some controversy over that. I googled "Reagan Aids" and found this:
"Reagan had an excellent record on gay rights issues--to the extent that anyone at that level of office in that day and age could be said to have such a record, anyway, since he had publicly supported gay rights measures and, while he did ally with some conservative Christian forces, never once backed any anti-gay legislation and was always personally gay-friendly. While it's true that there were things his administration could have done better about the early AIDS crisis, this is true for just about everyone in the 1980s--gay rights activists, local and national elected officials of both parties and at all levels of government--responded poorly. If any of you saw that execrable HBO movie And The Band Played On, you should be aware that it gave a horribly politically slanted accounting, but the book it was based on, And The Band Played On by Randy Shilts, was a much fairer and more damning book. Shilts would never have approved that attrocious movie. The book is must-reading, for Shilts (who was gay, lived in San Francisco, and himself eventually died of AIDS) documents in excruciating detail how local government officials, gay rights activists, judges, and career civil servants in many cases conspired to keep the plague from being recognized and to prevent government from even getting involved. Shilts was unsparing in his indictment of everyone at all levels and in both parties, and if he was sometimes harsh on the Reagan administration, he was usually even harsher with others, including gay rights activists he personally knew and who were responsible for preventing government from taking direct action to stop the plague in its tracks."
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:gVxB7ITK_7UJ:ww w.deanesmay.com/archives/007691.html+reagan+aids&h l=en&client=firefox-a
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It's not necessary for the soldiers to knowingly be on a mission to murder her. If someone high up wanted Sgrena dead, they might have "forgotten" to tell the chek-point soldiers about the incoming car, expecting all of the occupants would have been killed by the soldiers. When the soldiers realised it was no suicide missions, they rescued the survivors from the wreck.
Your theory sounds like a dumb hollywood script. If they wanted her dead it would be far simpler to get someone to put on native clothing and pump her vehicle with RPG and AK fire. The tactic you offer is too unreliable.
I guess it depends where you live. In the UK, if I made jerky motions into my pocket when puled over for a routine traffic accident, I certainly wouldn't expect to get shot. And if I was, there'd be a public outcry. Don't assume we're all trigger happy.
However if you were Irish and in Northern Ireland your odds of being shot are probably higher than in the U.S. and there would be no outcry against the British soldier's decision to shoot by the British public.
We need a "russian roulette" game distributed to the idiots who like to emulate video games in the real world. Hmm ..., maybe a "russian roulette" music video too.
The movie "The Deer Hunter" helped a little in the 70s but it was a little too slow/long to reach all the right people, apparently some of them bred.
What I find amazing is that you're studying for a PhD and yet you can't use the proper form of your. Not to mention you can't spell route. :|
You are clueless.
(1) Since his PhD is not in English or a related field your "point" is pointless.
(2) Typos, brainfarts, etc happen. Proofreading is common for one's thesis, it's largely a waste of time for slashdot. Who care's what happens here. Your posts are unimportant, just like everyone's replies.
Hope this note helps you gain some perspective.
You point is meaningless, when the shuttle was on it's second mission it was also 2 for 2. Your comments are degrading from asinine to just plain dumb. The shuttle and the mars rover, and unmanned and manned flight, are so different they can not be compared.
That Valve is going to quit being a bunch of little MS fanboys and might start writing code that is half-assed portable?
Your post makes no sense.
Valve was not a Vivendi studio. Vivendi was merely the publisher.
Actual Vivendi studios have supported non-MS platforms, for example Blizzard's long history of Mac support.
I do not wish to diminish the spectactular achievements of the rover missions but it is asinine to compare manned and unmanned missions.
Now the shuttle engineers.... thats a whole different story!
The shuttle engineers did an outstanding job, keep in mind that much of it is 70s design. Some of it 60s? Now factor in all the politicians and outside organizations that meddled with the design. The funding cuts and other problems that undermined day to day operations. Engineers have to use what is available now and what is within budget, and the shuttle guys did an outstanding job at the time. Today's situation is largely the result of politics and the short sightendness of the voter, not engineering.
What you say is true: but it is also true that American sanctions on Iraq made Saddam's barbary all the more, well, barbaric
...
Wrong, United Nations sanctions.
It's the whole murderer for hire thing
Wrong, unlike your hypothetical murderer the intent of the United Nations and the Unites States was to avoid harm. We even went to extreme measure by creating the Oil for Food program.
Don't misread me here, I don't think this is right, but China is really a very nice place and 90% of the criticism it gets is misplaced propaganda left over from the cold war. I live and work in the PRC, and have for 3 years. I've also lived and worked in Singapore. I think I'm as qualified as any to make the comparison.
I disagree. Your stay in the PRC is most likely largely favorable because of the wonderful people you interacted with. The people are not the problem, their government is. The government is every bit as dangerous as Pinochet and Saddam. The government is merely functioning, today, as a benevolant dictator, in some respects. Again, Tiannamen was not that long ago. From the US perspective the Navy EP-3 midair collision demonstrates that the cold war era suspicion of their government is still warranted. The Chinese people deserve much better.
As for Singapore, that's a different topic and their excesses to not justify or mitigate communist China's.
Smart of you to limit the US starving of people to "its own citizens". It's much cleaner that way, as it leaves out the starving of quite a few hundred thousand Iraqis since the beginning of the US sanctions in the early 90's.
Uh, the US didn't starve those people. Saddam starved those people. He impeded United Nations inspectors. He diverted Unitied Nations Oil For Food money. He manufactured his people's suffering so that he could use them for propoganda. He went on a palace building spree. He spent money on weapons systems.
Whether or not the US invasion was justified is one topic, don't let any hard feeling you have about that delude you regarding what Saddam did to his people.
Don't forget, China isn't the -only- country with smears on its history.
True, but we are not discussing who has smears on their history. We are discussing whether there is any evidence that the lack of trust from cold war days is no longer warranted.
The 60's called. They want their paranoia back.
Was Tiananmen Square in the 60s? No.
Was the Navy EP-3 midair crash in the 60s? No.
While you can argue that localized domain names are not much of an issue and that things are being blown way out of proportion, it is asinine to declare that the days of being wary of communist china are long gone. When the chinese citizens can vote anyone out of office then we can revisit the trust issue.
Actually, you'll have to buy a new system in order to get it: x64 Windows releases will not be sold on retail shelves - only as an option from manufacturers selling PCs...
If the OEM version is available from white-box clone shops, and therefore also at swapmeets, then all you need to buy is a motherboard or hard drive. Maybe other hardware components qualify you for the OEM as well but I do not recall. Well that's the way it used to work with the 32-bit versions. Swapmeet vendors were bad about enforcing this and MS went on a crackdown. Some creative vendors became very strict about you having to buy a hard drive. They had a pile of 540MB drives, used, as-is, no warranty, US$5 each, for people wanting an OEM copy of Windows.
Yes I am aware you can lock a spreadsheet but how long before someone (usually a manager) makes a "special" change and before long all sorts of "special" changes occur and things start to get rapidly out of synch.
Spreadsheets can be viewed as a type of programming and this problem has been solved for programming. It's called version control, check the spreadsheet in CVS.
so its either citizenship OR paying tax not citizenship *and* pay tax?
Citizenship alone is enough.
So, the only requirement for getting a voice, the only qualification, is to pay taxes?
No it is just one qualification, citizenship works too.
Corporations are the collection point for taxes on the labor of customers.
Going with this particular theoretical model the worker is triply taxed. On his wages, directly on his purchases (sales tax, gasoline tax, etc.), and finally indirectly on his purchases via corporations. If the corporation can be an agent of government and collect taxes why can it not also be an agent of the customer representing the customer's interests in a particular field. One role is as valid as the other.
In any advent your argument fails to demonstrate why corporation should not be allowed to address Congress on matters that affect their owners and customers. It's frightening that you find the fewer perspective and opinions presented to legislators the better. I thought that economic/political theory died a decade ago?
What sort of bullshit is this? Corporations aren't people; they're composed of people. The people who comprise the corporation are the ones who get to vote.
Using your (il)logic labor unions should not be allowed a voice either. They are composed of people and those people have a vote. So do you advance the opinion that labor unions should not be allowed to petition congress or are you a hypocrite?
"The corporation and the individuals that comprise the corporation are *both* taxed. Therefore they *both* get a voice".
That's a crock. Corporations are collecting points for taxing the labor of *customers*. Where the hell do you think the corporation gets its money from? Trees?
You need to (re)take Economics 101, Jack.
All *three* groups, corporations, workers, and customers, are taxed independently. They all get voice.
"Labor of customers"? Sure you didn't mean "labor of workers", "convenience of customers", professor?
What sort of bullshit is this? Corporations aren't people; they're composed of people. The people who comprise the corporation are the ones who get to vote.
The corporation and the individuals that comprise the corporation are *both* taxed. Therefore they *both* get a voice.
Corporations do not and should not have "rights".
If they are taxed they have rights.
No they should not. They are not real persons, and by definitions have no interests except profits.
If they are to have no voice in Congress they should not be taxed. "No taxation without representation" is one of the principles behind the birth of the United States.
And don't give me this corporations are evil crap and corporations pay no taxes crap. I've had serveral friends start their own business, and I've seen them pay plenty of taxes and act in a way balancing competitiveness and morality. Their companies have just as much right to send their Congressman a letter as I do.
Also don't be hypocritical. When a congressman proposes some dumb-ass legislation that in unpopular around here and someone like IBM steps up to oppose it we all cheer.
This taught me that history is a funny thing. It really is that the victor writes history with total disregard for the truth.
But the history here is a book written by a San Francisco gay who died of Aids? Are you saying his indictment of federal, state, and local government, and gay rights activists, are inaccurate? I don't think the omission of important CDC work invalidates these other criticisms.
I am sorry but I have only seen the movie and just now learned of the book.
No they should not. They are not real persons, and by definitions have no interests except profits.
And individuals petitioning congress never have self-centered motivations and propose things beneficial to themselves but harmful to society overall? And none of these individuals have loads of money?
Your post reminded me of "And The Band Played On", I recalled some controversy over that. I googled "Reagan Aids" and found this:
w w.deanesmay.com/archives/007691.html+reagan+aids&h l=en&client=firefox-a
"Reagan had an excellent record on gay rights issues--to the extent that anyone at that level of office in that day and age could be said to have such a record, anyway, since he had publicly supported gay rights measures and, while he did ally with some conservative Christian forces, never once backed any anti-gay legislation and was always personally gay-friendly. While it's true that there were things his administration could have done better about the early AIDS crisis, this is true for just about everyone in the 1980s--gay rights activists, local and national elected officials of both parties and at all levels of government--responded poorly. If any of you saw that execrable HBO movie And The Band Played On, you should be aware that it gave a horribly politically slanted accounting, but the book it was based on, And The Band Played On by Randy Shilts, was a much fairer and more damning book. Shilts would never have approved that attrocious movie. The book is must-reading, for Shilts (who was gay, lived in San Francisco, and himself eventually died of AIDS) documents in excruciating detail how local government officials, gay rights activists, judges, and career civil servants in many cases conspired to keep the plague from being recognized and to prevent government from even getting involved. Shilts was unsparing in his indictment of everyone at all levels and in both parties, and if he was sometimes harsh on the Reagan administration, he was usually even harsher with others, including gay rights activists he personally knew and who were responsible for preventing government from taking direct action to stop the plague in its tracks." http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:gVxB7ITK_7UJ:w