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Preventing Epidemics with STEM

Anonymous Coward writes "IBM has released a Linux based technology enabling spatiotemporal modeling of infectious agents across the United States, providing scientists and public health officials with a powerful tool for understanding, and potentially preventing, the spread of infectious diseases. The new STEM technology provides Geographic Information System (GIS) data for every county in the United States supplied by TIGER files."

114 comments

  1. Intelligence an asset by skomes · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anybody who understands 100% of the article should get an automatic 15 points.

    1. Re:Intelligence an asset by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 1

      From what I understand, it's a framework for building models of infectious diseases.

      It has some geographical data (US only), and uses this to plot or guess the spread of a disease, given the some parameters about the disease and the model.

      It's the type of thing we constantly see in movies and TV shows about people researching diseases and disease control.

    2. Re:Intelligence an asset by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replace points with dollars and I'll give it a shot...

    3. Re:Intelligence an asset by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Intelligence an asset by gavinjolly · · Score: 1

      Spatio (Spatial) = Location
      Temporal = Time

      IBM has released a Linux based technology enabling the visualization of infectious agents across the United States at any point in time, providing scientists and public health officials with a powerful tool for understanding, and potentially preventing, the spread of infectious diseases.

      Being able to model the data using different visualization/modelling techniques has the potential to allow officials to identify areas of interest. For more info look at ESRIs Website.

      For example: Map the Maximum growth rate per head of population to identify geographic areas where the disease grew the fastest. Combine this with census/demographic information such as Population density, ethnicity, Std of living. Display as a heat map (eg Red Max, Green Min).

      Visually, some data can be mined for useful information qith some speed.

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    5. Re:Intelligence an asset by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do -- detecting the interaction between spatial and temporal disease effects was my research area. Spatiotemporal effects may be described as follows:

      spatial effect - disease is in a geographical area, regardless of time. ex: a disease as a result of a chemical spill

      temporal effect - disease occurs in a given time frame regardless of geographical location. ex: spring allergy-related issues

      spatial-temporal ("spatiotemporal") effects: disease occurs due to place and time. ex: the Titanic (not a "disease" per se, but you get the idea)

      A package that may be of interest would be CLUSTER found at http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HS/cluster.html the CLUSTER download area

      The STEM package will allow researchers the chance to test out their theoretical models for disease spread.

    6. Re:Intelligence an asset by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Replace points with dollars and I'll give it a shot...

      If we did that then you'd instead have dollars on your head. And that would be weird.

    7. Re:Intelligence an asset by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understood it. Because that article just trumped my PhD project.

  2. Linux... by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    it is not only immune from viruses, it stops them too!

    Note: this technology is based on Java2. It should run on any Java-supported platform, although IBM only lists Win2000 and Linux as supported platforms.

    1. Re:Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good going, you blew a perfectly good chance to say "virii" and piss a bunch of Latin Nazis off.

    2. Re:Linux... by nametaken · · Score: 1

      Except they only provided instructions for windows users, as far as I can see.

      Linux:
      1) unzip archive
      2) export STEM_HOME=/location/of/stem
      3) Obviously the batch file isn't gunna work, but if you've exported STEM_HOME, this should work fine "java -Xmx768M -Duser.dir=$STEM_HOME -jar $STEM_HOME\bin\stem.jar"

      Just got it running in FC3, lickety split... and it already looks intimidating!

    3. Re:Linux... by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 1

      I've heard those guys before. I wanted to piss off people who prefer using virii over viruses.

    4. Re:Linux... by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Funny


      it is not only immune from viruses, it stops them too!


      It's virii damnit! Not viruses.

    5. Re:Linux... by nametaken · · Score: 1


      So I just ran the Flu1, and this is actually cool, despite being mostly over my head.

      Does someone know where we can find the properties of other contagions so we can punch those in and see the visuals?

    6. Re:Linux... by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 1

      That's because you are on a Linux machine. From my Windows box, I see the instructions for Windows.

    7. Re:Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it that every time I visit Slashdot, my opinion of linux users drops slightly?

    8. Re:Linux... by Mathiasdm · · Score: 1

      It's viri, not viruses or virii! Exactly the same way as the family or Linus Torvalds is: the Lini Torvalds!

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    9. Re:Linux... by DumbRedGuy · · Score: 1

      Anyone have any ideas for how to run it on a Mac? I tried doing it how it would be run in Linux, and I tried launching the app with the Java Launcher, but it doesn't seem to want to work.

      Any thoughts?

  3. I want it.. by Tobias.Davis · · Score: 0, Funny

    I want first post, but I don't want to be modded down. Therefore I will give a halfass theory about this software. 1.> Software is used to track diseases 2.> Server is infected with a virus 3.> ??? 4.> Profit!

  4. Awesome, but there are some roadblocks by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This type of tracking system is sorely needed in order to prevent little outbreaks from turning into pandemics. Knowing where the hotspots are and using that information to take measures to prevent the spread of a pathogen is of increasing importance as we become more and more mobile as a species.

    However there isn't a way to track some problematic pathogens. For many diseases, there is a political aspect that prevents authorities from excercising their ability to contain the germ. HIV is the most obvious example of a virus that is so inherently related to a specific set of behaviors that it ought to be a simple matter of monitoring infected persons and preventing the disease from spreading. Unfortunately, the bearers of the virus claim that their right to these behaviors trumps the public health and safety risk posed by the virus.

    If there were an outbreak of Capt. Tripps, would the government have the political will to actually put all those infected under quarantine, dooming them and essentially stripping them of all human rights, in order to prevent the spread of the disease? They have shown in the past that they are not willing to contain infected groups. What is to say that they will be in the future?

    1. Re:Awesome, but there are some roadblocks by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem is that many diseases now are coming from Asia and Africa, more than the US. And this application seems to support the US as a model only.

      As for diseases like AIDS, many like Thabo Mbeki refuse to acknowledge the link between AIDS and HIV. And President Mbeki is seen by many as the voice of Africa. His views on AIDS are more disturbing than those who put politics over safety.

    2. Re:Awesome, but there are some roadblocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not Captain Tripps, but there has been a recent Marburg Outbreak.

    3. Re:Awesome, but there are some roadblocks by nametaken · · Score: 2, Informative


      Actually, when I unpacked it, I noticed all the data was just xml. If you can compile the source data for other countries, the program should work with that.

    4. Re:Awesome, but there are some roadblocks by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Thanks for the heads-up.

      The problem then would be getting the relevant up-to-date data from the countries which would need this product, more than anything else.

      But it's good to know that IBM is keeping with its pledge to keep things open, especially for such a valuable product.

    5. Re:Awesome, but there are some roadblocks by ianturton · · Score: 1
      Shame, IBM didn't use a geographic standard to encode the data, or document the way they did encode it.

      Ian

    6. Re:Awesome, but there are some roadblocks by synthespian · · Score: 1

      Yeah, whatever. You can't trust Java for anything remotely numeric, it's broken, it's a fact. Anyone who's read professor Kahan's (Berkeley) How JAVA's Floating-Point Hurts Everyone Everywhere papers, and followed the issue for a little time will run like the devil from Java...
      I mean, modelling disease involves differential equations. You have to be crazy to use Java. C is much more trustworthy in that respect.
      In fact, this knowledge should be widespread.
      It's sad to see so many people take for granted that something a big company did is flawless. ;-)

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    7. Re:Awesome, but there are some roadblocks by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      And why would you think that C is trustworthy? It uses the underlieing FPU, which means that you can end up with all sorts of definitions of a float. Yes there is a floating library IFF there is no FPU. Well this is 200x, not 198x. The only systems without FPU's is embedded, and few of them are doing computational type programs.

      Of course, with that said, I am a C/C++/Perl hacker. But there are advantages to Java such as consistency

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    8. Re:Awesome, but there are some roadblocks by synthespian · · Score: 1

      So? Enlighten me: what does that say about FP computations in Java, since you rely on a virtual machine? Have you read the paper? I guess not, huh? Oh, by the way, it's by an expert from Berkeley in Numerical Computing. Also, let me remind you that a correct implementation of FP in Java was /pulled out/ of the JCP.
      Have you read the follow ups? Probably not.
      Consistency in Java's VM? You've got to be kidding. Some do tail-recursions, some don't.
      Java is not so well-designed. It's a fact. If it were not so, why is it that people in the physics, applied mathemtatics, engineering and numerical computation community use C/C++ (and Fortran, of course) instead?

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    9. Re:Awesome, but there are some roadblocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      While I don't agree with Fidel Castro on everything, Cuba has a sensible approach to public health. By quarantine of AIDS carriers, Cuba now has one of the lowest amounts of AIDS cases in the world. When someone is infected with AIDS, they are put in a special sanatorium for treatment and to prevent the spread of AIDS to the general population.

      Surprise, surprise--it works very well in halting the spread of AIDS. Cuba AIDS control is a model for the rest of the world to follow. Let's hope more countries get on board. Here is one case where a third world country has something very positive to contribute to the developed world--a proven way to halt the spread of AIDS.

    10. Re:Awesome, but there are some roadblocks by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Anyone who's read professor Kahan's (Berkeley) How JAVA's Floating-Point Hurts Everyone Everywhere papers

      That paper is from 1998. Got any follow-ups?

    11. Re:Awesome, but there are some roadblocks by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Surprise, surprise--it works very well in halting the spread of AIDS.

      Well of course removing infected people from the population would do that. But in a larger, less controlled populous the actual result would be nobody seeking treatment at all, as it effectively ends their active life to do so.

    12. Re:Awesome, but there are some roadblocks by webdaford · · Score: 1

      The system supports arbitrary geographic areas, the current release includes models for the lower USA and Thailand. Check out the configuration files, there's one for Thailand.

  5. Interesting Project by ianturton · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I haven't had a chance to play with this yet, but it certainly seems interesting. This sort of tool is becoming ever more useful as a way of dealing with natural and man made epidemics. While of no real use during an epidemic, they do provide a useful tool to help emergency planners decide what strategies will be best when it does happen. It has to be better to carry out these experiments before hand rather than during an emergency.

    Ian

    1. Re:Interesting Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      I just tried registering with them to download the software, and got the following:
      This product is subject to strict US export control laws. Prior to providing access, we must validate whether you are eligible to receive it under an available US export authorization.
      Your request is being reviewed.
      Upon completion of this review, you will be contacted if we are able to give access. We apologize for any inconvenience.
    2. Re:Interesting Project by nametaken · · Score: 1


      If you're using firefox, go get the bugmenot plugin. Worked fine for me. Just right click > bugmenot > bang, you're ready to go.

    3. Re:Interesting Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Thanks for the idea of using bugmenot!

      Okay, I got the software and it's pretty interesting. Basically, you can imagine it as modelling the spread of a meme throughout a social network. So, you start out with a population that's never heard of $JOKE. One person makes it up (gets "infectious" status), and starts transmitting it to their "Susceptible" friends; this increases those with "exposured" status.

      Eventually, their friends get the idea to start telling other friends (i.e. they're "infectious"). After a while the joke gets old and they're through ("recovered" status). However, their friends tell the $JOKE to their own circle of friends, expanding the $JOKE outwards.

      You can see this cascading effect in the "timeSeries" window. The blue dots represent "Susceptible", yellow="Exposed", red="Infectious", Green="Recovered".

      Of course, the program is more like spreading a joke verbally instead of across the internet, because it takes physical proximity to spread a disease. However, it can jump from city-to-city via air transportation, etc.

      The interesting thing about this program is that you can effectively modify the structure of the social network, by changing the geometry and connections between cities, etc. In the past, very simple models have been created without taking spatiotemporal effects into account.

      In case you're wondering, I once tried to model the spread of an infectious disease within a city. But due to my lack of programming skills, I couldn't get it to work.

  6. Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, the important question: Could this be used as a tool in combatting the spread of WINDOWS worms and viruses??

  7. Modelling != understanding by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Of course I didn't RTFA, but this package is, it seems, a modelling tool. Models don't always help understanding because they're based on assumptions. If the assumptions don't fit reality then they break down. The bad thing is that often the people start believing the models more than reality and if the field evidence starts to disagree with the models (which look very scientific with graphs etc) people start to doubt the field data.

    While the models (assumptions) hold true, they can provide some nice "what if" input, but they can never replace field data.

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    1. Re:Modelling != understanding by the+plant+doctor · · Score: 1

      It was once said, all models are wrong, some are just useful. ;)

    2. Re:Modelling != understanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, thanks for that great explanation of the painfully obvious! Unfortunately, THE ONLY WAY we've found to do just about anything in science is with *MODELS*. Economics? Models. Chemistry? Models. Physics? Models. All these use statistics, which is mostly a *lot* of models. So until you, EmbeddedJanitor, deduce a better paradigm than the one that's been working for the last 100 years, I suggest you just shut up.

    3. Re:Modelling != understanding by Nifrith · · Score: 1

      "Of course I didn't RTFA ..."

      ... but then again, who the heck does? ;)

  8. Brief Tiger Explanation by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For those that don't know, Tiger is a geographic information systems package that allows the management of geograpical information that can be based on a variety of different statistical data. I haven't done too much with it, but when I was in early HS, my uncle (Who is an imaging science person, and did mapping related stuff at the time for surrounding counties) had me work for him one summer updating address ranges and directions that would be used by various county functions including emergency dispatch services. I remember I used Tiger GIS software. Interesting how much of that stuff works for geographical information management.

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  9. Zombie Infection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can it stop Zombie Infection?

  10. Not STEM! by shreevatsa · · Score: 1

    Epidemics should not be prevented with the stem, they should be prevented from the ROOT! :)

  11. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  12. Re:Oh No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to this image, there appears to be an infectious disease originating from the Redmond, Washington area! What could possibly be the source of such a rapid spread of a virus?

    Starbucks. (Yes, Yes, they're Seattle, I know. But c'mon, there's more the one great evil in Washington)

  13. AHHHH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You insensitive colds!

    *sneeze*

    *man is this joke getting old, sheesh*

  14. other uses by sfcat · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Not that disease modeling isn't a good use of technology, but Tiger is a modeling tool that integrates geographic and temporal data (spacio-temporal is just a fancy word for that). But I think there are alot of other good uses for it. Some more popular and some much less. Let's see here:

    • Modeling historic data about
      • economic development
      • spread of religons
      • spread of political organizations
    • Modeling the spread of specific ideas
    • Modeling company sales data
    • Modeling battlefield deaths
    • Modeling a crime spree

    Basically any thing that spreads over time can be modeled and viewed this way. Kinda neat.

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  15. It's already being done? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    It's the type of thing we constantly see in movies and TV shows about people researching diseases and disease control.

    Uh, maybe I'm missing something here, but how is this article news then?

  16. Like having sex? by midgley · · Score: 1

    "so inherently related to a specific set of behaviors" HIV is not currently restricted to any particular sub-section of sexual behaviour. The comment might, possibly, statistically, nearly, approach partial correctness in parts of the US, but not in the world. And ZA's governmental attitude to HIV and anti-HIV drugs has changed recently. (One of the drivers of it was rapacious capitalism and "intellectual property" pressures in the US)

    1. Re:Like having sex? by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

      "However there isn't a way to track some problematic pathogens. For many diseases, there is a political aspect that prevents authorities from excercising their ability to contain the germ. HIV is the most obvious example of a virus that is so inherently related to a specific set of behaviors that it ought to be a simple matter of monitoring infected persons and preventing the disease from spreading. Unfortunately, the bearers of the virus claim that their right to these behaviors trumps the public health and safety risk posed by the virus."

      "so inherently related to a specific set of behaviors" HIV is not currently restricted to any particular sub-section of sexual behaviour. The comment might, possibly, statistically, nearly, approach partial correctness in parts of the US, but not in the world."


      Emphasize "currently".

      I think you may be missing the point. Today's situation is in part due to the "different" approach taken with HIV 20+ years ago compared to other sexually transmitted diseases such as gonorrhoea and syphilis.

  17. Governments in denial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    And who knows how many nasty pathogens are brewing in China or North Korea where the State does acknowledge such problems. The last thing I heard, North Korea was "the only AIDS free country on Earth".

    I have no doubt that the backward muslim states are also in denial. "What? AIDS here? We don't even have homosexuals here! Allah Akbar!"

    1. Re:Governments in denial by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Intriguingly, Muslim nations and peoples have always had a strong interest in the sciences, from astrology to zoology, as their religion forbade them from other professions, such as bankers (who charge interest) and religious artisans.

      While there is undoubtedly a conservative social agenda in many Muslim nations, their affinity for the natural sciences would hopefully make it easier for moderate and liberal Muslims, and Muslims as a people, to take on AIDS as a problem, from the perspective of science.

      North Korea aside, China isn't as closed or sensitive to medical information as it once was. The recent inquiries into the handling of SARS shows that it is at least willing to tackle its problems.

  18. Re: It is viruses, not virii by Ramsed · · Score: 1

    The plural of virus is viruses, see for more information the Wikipedia article or this article with references.

  19. Re:Oh No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Huh? What's wrong with Starbucks?

    Excellent coffee and an excellent business model.

  20. other uses-Obese code. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Basically any thing that spreads over time can be modeled and viewed this way. Kinda neat."

    Spread of Linux.

  21. Modeling the spread of linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Well, maybe. It does have a viral license.

    One thing must also be remembered when dealing with models (computer ones, not human ones). They're not real and more than often produce total garbage. Hence, any predictions by a model should be treated with sceptisism and compared carefully to the unfolding experimental data.

  22. shut up troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    oh, shut up troll. your karma is shot to hell and your only reason to exists seems to be troublemaking.

    it's too bad the slashdot doesn't simply erase troll accounts.

  23. There can be too much freedom and openness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Yeah, open for all - like terrorists who're just dying (pun intended) to figure out the most effective way to spread a biological agent in the USA. This software will allow them to try out difference scenarios.

    Allah will be pleased with IBM (who, IIRC, were in league with the nazis, too).

  24. Intelligence an asset-CSI:Hankercheif by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's the type of thing we constantly see in movies and TV shows about people researching diseases and disease control."

    CoughSniffleInfection:Deadly Diseases.

  25. Re:Mod the parent down by IamNotWitchboy · · Score: 1

    Oh my god! I don't know if you are trolling or just some ignorant redneck that really believes this crap.

    If it's out in the internet, do you really believe that this kind of registration is going to stop a real "terrorist"?

    Terrorist: I am going to download this nifty tool an wreak havok on america. mwahahahaha!
    IBM: Sorry you have to register first and since your IP is not in the USA we have to review your application
    Terrorist: Ah bummer, I guess the USA is triumphant again :(

    Terrorism is the new comunism.

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  26. I'm sick of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Why is it that every time the very real backwardness of the modern day muslim states is discussed, someone must come up with a bleeding heart praise for their scientific achievements?

    Yes, maybe they were good at science but that was like hundreds of years or even a millenium ago. If they're such a great civilization, then why are they more concerned about stoning women, chopping off clits, hating jews and flying planes into skyscrapers than they're about the miserable state their socities?

    1. Re:I'm sick of it by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 1

      Their scientific achievements helped Europe, and consequently the rest of the modern world, move along in their scientific developments. Remember, for a long time, Europe was under the thumb of the Catholic Church, which dismissed science.

      The number of Muslims who do all the things you mentioned are a small minority compared to the rest. But like the minority in the US who clamor for FCC protection, moral judges and Arab-hate, they are the most vocal. Yet, there are people who have "bleeding heart praise" for American achievements over the years.

      Conservativism tends to hold people from progress, by definition. And religious conservativism can be the worst.

    2. Re:I'm sick of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh grow up. you've never been to a muslim country.

    3. Re:I'm sick of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on your definition of "progress". If killing unborn babies yet upholding the rights of convicted rapists is progress, bring me the stone age.

      Here's what I don't get about the "progressive" liberal agenda:

      (1) Smoking is bad. Killing babies is good. (If we let you actually be born, you can't do anything to harm your body!)

      (2) Feeding the poor is good. Freeing another country's people from oppression is bad. (Not with MY tax dollars! Spend it on NEA funding instead!!)

      (3) Burning fossil fuels is bad. But so is nuclear energy, hydroelectric dams (for fear of the salmon!) and wind mills (not in my back yard!). Drilling in Alaska is bad. Yet I see so many SUVs with the "Kerry Edwards for a Stronger America" on the back. What a bunch of hypocrits.

      (4) State-sponsored gambling is good. Flat tax is bad. (What gives? It's the poor that are going to buy all the lottery tickets!)

      (5) Corporations are bad (but who creates the jobs??) but government control is good (but the government should only provide liberty and protection as the constitution outlines - why do liberals want it to do more than that??).

      (6) Capitalism is bad. Socialism is good. (Let's take all the money from the achievers and give it to the bums!)

      (7) Education is a right (wrong answer) but the right-to-life is a woman's choice (again, wrong answer).

      (8) Moral judges are bad (how can we impose morality on everyone?!) but immoral presidents are good (ahem, Mr. Clinton).

      (9) Muslims are good (even though their holy book tells them to kill Christians and Jews for they are the enemy) but Christians and Jews are bad (and their book says to love others and spread the good news of the return of Christ).

      (10) NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC are good (and they don't have an agenda, right?!) but Fox News is bad (what a bunch of right-wing nut jobs).



      Liberalism must be a mental disorder. It's not progress - it's anti common sense.

  27. Moving right along by JediClemente · · Score: 1

    Change to red level alert! IBM is developing a tool for terrorist to know the range of their biological attacks!

    It could be an IBM-AlQaeda alliance or not, by this time...

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  28. Re:Mod the parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    My account was locked down again, so I'll have to reply as an AC via proxy. If being a patriot means being a redneck, then I will be happy to be a redneck.

    IBM made a huge mistake by posting the damn thing on the internet. I mean WTF? I can't understand why the homeland security or FBI didn't intervene. As you said, a real terrorist won't be stopped by registration. However, that's not an excuse to make it even easier for them by posting instructions on a public forum! How about exercising a little bit of operational security and common sense?

    Regarding your last sentence, just remember that we brought down the communism as well and we all saw (well, maybe you left wing liberals are still in denial) how rotten it was. Mark my words, the same thing will happen to terrorism. We will win the war and anyone who is now supporting them (most of all the obnoxious French and Spain who cowardly withdrew their troops after one attack) will be shamed when the truth comes out.

  29. Let them know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Indeed.

    As a member of CitizenCorps, I have already mailed the homeland security about this.

    I urge everyone else to do the same.

  30. Re:Oh No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Excellent business model?

    "Let's crush all the small enterpreneurs and assimilate them" might be a good business model but a moral one it is not.

  31. CitizenCorps? Jesus! Is that thing for real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please, someone tell me it's a hoax.

  32. Re:Mod the parent down by IamNotWitchboy · · Score: 1

    I guess you really believe what your government tells you, and I cannot but feel sorry. I will reply in a more civil manner.

    That program released by IBM is a scientific tool. Everything you can think of can be used for good or evil by a sufficiently determined individual, especially in science. The day you allow your government or your military intelligence to dictate what is good science and what is bad science, the terrorist have already won. Never allow your fears, to take away your liberties. It seems that you are perfectly happy to trade your freedoms for a false sense of security.

    I am an environmental engineer and find this tool incredibly useful. Science progress is for the good of mankind, and I applaud IBM for releasing this tool for free and to the general public.

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  33. Re:Mod the parent down by RollingThunder · · Score: 1

    You're not a patriot or a redneck. You're a moron.

  34. Re:Mod the parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    little bit of operational security

    Bwahahahahahaha! I bet you play CS all day, read Tom Clancy all night and think you're a God's gift to the US military when you grow old enough to enlist.

  35. Re:Mod the parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Yes, I know moral relativism is very popular these days, but the fact is that there is evil science too that should be kept only in the hands of those who are on the side of the good guys.

    Or are you saying that we should have shared our nuclear bomb research with the nazis? No, I don't think you're. Well, then, how is this any different?

  36. Re:Mod the parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Laugh all you want. I will enlist in about a year so that I can do my share in protecting innocent people (that includes your ingrateful ass, too) all over the world.

  37. Re:Mod the parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Well, this moron is going to take up a gun and protect your worthless ass and you will be thankful for it one day. In the words of Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men:

    "Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have more responsibility here than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. I know deep down in places you dont talk about at parties, you don't want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

    'nuff said.

  38. Not exactly free download by cookie_cutter · · Score: 1
    I haven't had a chance to play with this yet

    And if you're not in the U.S., don't expect to get a chance to. Though the site at first glance seems to allow you to download it, it first requires you to create an IBM user account, which requires that you provide a fair amount of information about you and your company (guess they can't imagine, nor care, that private individuals might perchance be interested in it).

    Once you've done that, and you actually go to the download page for the product, it requires that you provide even more info on your company.

    Finally, after providing all that information, it tells you that the software is subject to tight US export controls, and that your request is being reviewed.

    Bah! What a fucking waste of my time. I guess I shouldn't have been honest and said I was in Canada.

    1. Re:Not exactly free download by ianturton · · Score: 1
      Hmm I must have clicked through that bit with out reading it! I'm in the UK and downloaded it with no problems.

      I've now had a chance to play with it and it looks nice. Just how useful it is remains to be seen until I can find some time to try to put one of my models into it.

      Ian

  39. Re:Oh No! by JustOK · · Score: 1

    The problem with Starbucks is that they're not Tim Hortons. Better coffee, cheaper prices.

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  40. Stem Cells by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 3, Funny

    So if this new "STEM" technology runs on IBM's CELL processors, will we get STEM CELLs?

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    1. Re:Stem Cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, you're going to burn in hell for that joke. . . .

    2. Re:Stem Cells by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna burn in hell for so many other things, so it really doesn't matter ;)
      (I'm going to the 6th level of hell, the city of dis, according to Dante, btw)

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  41. Wow! by the+plant+doctor · · Score: 1

    I'm stunned. This is great! Very similar to my PhD work using GIS to help create predictive models to use agroecological zones to predict and track plant disease development across large areas in row crops. I'm using Kansas wheat production as my system currently, hopefully it will be something possible to deploy in any cropping system any where that you can get the necessary GIS layers and other data. I'm only in my second year of working on this, but things are starting to come together and more stuff like this is showing up. This gives me just more reasons to use Linux. ;)

    1. Re:Wow! by zogger · · Score: 1

      Have you been following the soybean rust deal from last years hurricane Ivan? It's a natural for this one.

      With that said, any sort of open human epidemic might be hard to model, given that there's a possibility of on-purpose spreading. That data might be pretty hard to input, just way too many variables.

      We'll probably get to see this though, bird flu in particular could easily take off this summer and spread even wider around the planet, now that they have found out some humans can be carriers and not show symptoms, and of course, wild birds migrating.

    2. Re:Wow! by the+plant+doctor · · Score: 1

      Soybean rust, uggh. Glad I don't work with soybeans anymore. ;) Yes, I've been following that.

      I was doing work with soybean in Nebraska a couple years ago. We were working on fungicide application techniques for the anticipated Soybean Rust event.

      I have the advantage with plants that they don't move like humans. Well, row crops don't at least, hort crops get shipped all over. That's how Phytophthora ramorum was spread recently.

    3. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you would be an interesting person to get together and geek out with 8-)

      I did my thesis on multi scale spatially explicit techniques for ecological modeling. An example how this might be applied to epidemiology is global circulation patterns (Southern Oscillation Index - El Nino) driving bioregional precipitation regimes, which in in the Southwestern deserts can cause as much as 30% more/less annual precipitation (depending on high/low index respectively). This is important because on wet years the native grasses grow thick which results in large populations of deer mice. If you have several wet years followed by a drought, the deer mice will invade human dwellings en mass... But my real interest in these techniques are in restoration ecology -- like timing intentional flooding from dams to promote native vegetation (such as cottonwood and willow), anisotropic fire propagation in ponderosa pine forests, seed dispersal, and spatially explicit restoration treatments to minimize disturbance/disease risk management.

      I have a couple of other pointers you might be interested in such as Schaafsma's ASU thesis on the effects of abandoned Hohokam agricultural fields on modern day vegetation, some of Costanza and Villa's work on IML, etc. Anyway, like I said I would be interested in corresponding with you if we can find a way to exchange contact information without giving it out to the world in clear text :-/ If you can post some tempary pointer in reply I will check it later today/tomorrow and attempt to follow up.

    4. Re:Wow! by webdaford · · Score: 1

      The system is designed from scratch to be extensible. Modelling crop disease should be a "straightforward" application. The hardest part right now would be getting the GIS data into a form the system recognizes. Something we're working on.

  42. An even Briefer Tiger Explanation by xixax · · Score: 1
    TIGER usually refers to the format of data supplied by the Census. While I haven't tried this particular format, the GDAL library supports TIGER and just about every other format you are likely to encounter.

    Xix.

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  43. Tiger Files? Ugh. by op00to · · Score: 1

    ... and anyone who has USED Tiger files know how terribly innacurate they are. Greeeeat. Glad to know we're using free, lowest-common-denominator geodata for our public safety.

    1. Re:Tiger Files? Ugh. by webdaford · · Score: 1

      The accuracy of the Tiger files is the least of the factors that affect the results of the simulation. When someone creates a model they make many assumptions about the parameters that affect disease propagation. In fact, the Tiger files are probably the most accurate part of the simulation.

  44. TIGER and Weather are great examples... by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    of why IP laws should be returned to what our founders originally concieved.

    The TIGER files is produced by the gov. on our dollars and has help numerous projects. In addition, it has helped launch numerous companies that used these files for data.

    Likewise, the Weather data from the gov. has helped citizens all over the world, and created numerous companies including accuweather.

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  45. MOD DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked at CDC in 1981 as a Tech.. At that time, Reagan was running around speaking out about Morality and Herpes. Great. So he is showing care about others. But another CDC branch was busy researching this mystery virus that was found in the gay community, and they determined that this was going to be a killer. So they went to Reagan for money and he shut them down. At that point, the other group approached my boss to appeal to Reagan. We had won for several years in row, the top lab in the USA (back then it was competitive). In addition, he was a Mormon Bishop. I never asked him his politics, but

    1. you did not get more conservative that a mormon bishop.
    2. He has never come forward to explain the history.
    so I think it is safe to say that he was republican. With that, he called reagan and asked for several million for this mystery virus to start tracking it down. He was predicting that this would jump from homo to hetro (and this was in 1981). When reagan turned him down, he flew out to D.C. and saw reagan directly. And yet, reagan would not do a damn thing. Interestingly, My boss was the first person asked to take on this virus and he turned it down, even though we were a good choice for it. He mentioned in the lab later that this because it would already a politically charged distaster. In the mean time, CDC went into SF, and convinced the gay community that there was an issue, but of course, it was history at that point. This was not an issue of the gay community fighting it, but a person with no real leadership.

    As to would the gov start quantines? Well prior to the advent of anti-biotics and vaccines, it was done all the time. Now the question is, does current leader have the guts to do the right things. That last 2 president I saw do the right things, cost them their elections, was the first Bush and Carter.

  46. Autism provides a good test for this technology by Baldrson · · Score: 1
    Autism is a mysterious epidemic that could provide a good test for this sort of tool.

    I've done some modeling of the autism epidemic at the state level and found that the most promising explanation is some interaction between recent immigrants from India and people of Finnish ancestry.

    When you look at the scatter plot it is quite graphic with a correlation of 60% at 49 degrees of freedom for a very high statistical significance (p Indeed, you can take hundreds of biologically relevant variables, including vaccination rates and mercury pollution (which are hypothesized to be possible causes of the autism epidemic) and combine them any way you like and you still can't find a better explanation than that something is being imported from India to which genotypes indigenous to Finland are particularly susceptible.

    This doesn't mean close down the Indian restaurants tommorrow, but what it does mean is that some research money should be allocated to find out if this correlation holds at the county spatiotemporal level.

    1. Re:Autism provides a good test for this technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the parent of an autistic child, I find this kind of investigation really interesting. So far, the mainstream researchers have done very little good epidiological work. It is clear to folks that have autistic children something strange is going on-but the researchers haven't caught up with this.

  47. The Reagan/AIDS Lie? by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    Your post reminded me of "And The Band Played On", I recalled some controversy over that. I googled "Reagan Aids" and found this:

    "Reagan had an excellent record on gay rights issues--to the extent that anyone at that level of office in that day and age could be said to have such a record, anyway, since he had publicly supported gay rights measures and, while he did ally with some conservative Christian forces, never once backed any anti-gay legislation and was always personally gay-friendly. While it's true that there were things his administration could have done better about the early AIDS crisis, this is true for just about everyone in the 1980s--gay rights activists, local and national elected officials of both parties and at all levels of government--responded poorly. If any of you saw that execrable HBO movie And The Band Played On, you should be aware that it gave a horribly politically slanted accounting, but the book it was based on, And The Band Played On by Randy Shilts, was a much fairer and more damning book. Shilts would never have approved that attrocious movie. The book is must-reading, for Shilts (who was gay, lived in San Francisco, and himself eventually died of AIDS) documents in excruciating detail how local government officials, gay rights activists, judges, and career civil servants in many cases conspired to keep the plague from being recognized and to prevent government from even getting involved. Shilts was unsparing in his indictment of everyone at all levels and in both parties, and if he was sometimes harsh on the Reagan administration, he was usually even harsher with others, including gay rights activists he personally knew and who were responsible for preventing government from taking direct action to stop the plague in its tracks." http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:gVxB7ITK_7UJ:ww w.deanesmay.com/archives/007691.html+reagan+aids&h l=en&client=firefox-a

    1. Re:The Reagan/AIDS Lie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My bosses name was mentioned in the book as was the other group, but as a very small role. Of course, my boss had a very small role, but the other group was not. By the end of 1981, we knew that it was not tranmitted via toilet seats, towels, and was not airbourne. The book missed the fact that CDC was on top of this, but that at the top level it was shot down (as well as by others, but I was not aware of them). As to the rest of it, well, I did not concern myself. I was simply a researcher doing retro-virus research (VEE, WEE, West Nile) and of course, back then, nobody knew what the mystery disease was.

      This taught me that history is a funny thing. It really is that the victor writes history with total disregard for the truth.

    2. Re:The Reagan/AIDS Lie? by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

      This taught me that history is a funny thing. It really is that the victor writes history with total disregard for the truth.

      But the history here is a book written by a San Francisco gay who died of Aids? Are you saying his indictment of federal, state, and local government, and gay rights activists, are inaccurate? I don't think the omission of important CDC work invalidates these other criticisms.

      I am sorry but I have only seen the movie and just now learned of the book.

    3. Re:The Reagan/AIDS Lie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no doubt that there is plenty of blame to go around, particularly later. I have no doubt that many middle level politician in SF did fight closing the bath houses (as did a number of gays).

      But it still does not change the fact that in 1981, when the rest of the nation had no knowledge, when there was less than 1000 cases in USA, Reagan fought doing anything about it. In fact, had he allowed the several million dollars to be spent that was being asked for, it is possible that the CDC and others could have cut down the amount that we have seen in America (perhaps to 1/2 or maybe even to 10%). By that time, it was impossible to stop unless the government was willing to quarentine just about everyone and that would not have happened; Interestingly though, there were some in the CDC who felt that we really did need to do a nationwide quarentine; But that is the stuff that does not make history books.

      Sadly, I suspect that we have not learned our lessons from this. There is another epidemic coming in the form of Prions with MadCow/Scrappie/CWD/CJD. And yet, the current admin does as little as possible with it (I doubt that clinton was any better).

      Perhaps, when CJD hits big in about 10 years, then we will start to do real historical interviews and find out why so many of our internal policies fail (all the way up to the top).

  48. You are as much a patriot as a KKK or a neonazi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give me a break about being a patriot.

  49. You should re-think it through by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Idiots like you tend to it in the first day or 2. Guts will not cut it if you do not have any logic. And you seem to be lacking in all areas.

    Of course, the army can always use a little bit of gun fodder.

  50. well, by zogger · · Score: 1

    I looked it up but now I remember reading about it, with theoak trees. bummer. I remember dutch elm disease when I lived in new england, within one decade all those old huge trees were mostly gone. Pity.

    hey, jeeps! way cool! We have an 80 cj7 here now (needs a carb that works, need it *badly*, currently have a carter bbd which sucks rubber donkey...whatevers, can't get it right no matter how many times I rebuild it, tweak it, curse at it, love on it, it just won't cooperate) and I've had a 59 window wagon (40 mph top speed no matter what) and a 69 wagoneer and an 80 full size cherokee before.

  51. How is this "linux based" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its written in Java for christ sakes - they list windows2000 as a supported os.

  52. So the people of India are to blame? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As the cause(s) for autism are unknown at this time, your guess is as good as any other; though the word 'epidemic' is usually reserved for diseases spread between infected and uninfected individuals when the rate of infection is exponential.
    I am not aware of any evidence, that autism 'spreads' from one person to another at all; neither through social, physical or sexual contact. Indeed there are people who don't consider autism to be an illness. Thus imo the term 'epidemic' is not appropriate.

    After looking at the graphics/stats you provide (on your own website; what a grand name you have chosen) I suggest you polish your presentation a little more (with maybe a flash animation). Forget that you don't mention anywhere what input data you use, how you transform it or the totally unimportant reasoning behind your idea. The results are all clear:
    something from India causes autism in people formerly indigenous to Finland.

    What you do is playing_with_numbers, not science.

    1. Re:So the people of India are to blame? by Baldrson · · Score: 1
      Actually the data sources are hyperlinked from the scatterplot.

      The method is so basic that I'm confident that anyone who set out to do a by-state demographic analysis would come up with the same or very similar results.

      This isn't playing with numbers. It is quite basic statistical analysis -- so basic in fact that there really isn't any excuse for it not to have been replicated many times over already by people funded to research autism.

  53. Re:Mod the parent down by RollingThunder · · Score: 1

    This "worthless ass" already protected your moron ass.

    Get your head out of the holywood hero-machine, and pay attention to the real world, and you may just manage to survive your rotation.

  54. Ways to get HIV by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    Umm, there are many ways to get HIV: irresponsible orgies, making love to your committed gay partner of the last nineteen years, being born with it, providing emergency medical aid without proper precautions, or even having it cross a species divide from your pet monkey. The incubation period is long, so you may not recognise the people who are carriers.

    Now, sure... you could lock up all those people who you consider a threat. But then... what about smokers? Aren't they a threat to themselves, and people who are irresponsible enough to passive smoke around them? What about the young AIDS sufferers who will die soon? Do we lock them up because of our (mostly unfounded) fears of infection, denying them any chance to a life before they die?

    You cannot treat the sick like second class citizens, much less rabid animals. Just as a society is judged by how it treats it prisoners, it is judged by how it treats its sick.

  55. Flawed US-only disease model, Linux availability by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    Yes, this was my first thought too.

    Even if a disease starts in the US, it seems to me that people from the area where an outbreak starts will be travelling abroad long before the infection is detected.So, while it is cured in one place, it may develop and spread in parallel elsewhere.

    So then, the problem is that worldwide flights and other forms of human travel must be taken into account, not to mention trade of food, materials, animals, etc.

    This software is probably a great help, and I welcome it.

    I also welcome the fact that it's available on Linux. On the other hand, Free Software fan as I am, I hope it's not limited solely to Linux, since everyone who can use this should have access to it. Actually, that makes me feel better about the KDE port to Windows, too.

    Overall though, I think we have a long way to go with this technology, and hopefully others will contribute to this tool.

  56. Always modelling by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    Of course, we have models inside our heads anyway. That's how we work out any problem. Computer modelling just makes complexity easier to cope with, and more accessible to people who don't grasp the entirety of the model. I agree that they can be dangerous. However, when done well, with a well understood problem -- I think pandemics are well understood, just hard to control --, they are enormously useful. Even if incomplete, they can be used well when the flaws are kept in mind. Just think weather ;)

  57. Re:Linux...MAC by webdaford · · Score: 1

    Oops. This was the first release and we didn't have quick access to a MAC....and...well...we forgot. Ok, I forgot. Sorry. Next release. Basically, the system needs to find its "home" directory as the value of "user.dir"

    "java -Xmx768M -Duser.dir=$STEM_HOME -jar $STEM_HOME\bin\stem.jar"